EMI May Remove DRM From Parts of Catalog 161
An anonymous reader writes "Ars Technica is reporting that EMI may announce on Monday that it will be freeing much of its catalog from the shackles of DRM. The Wall Street Journal, in a subscription-only portion of its site, is saying that that Apple CEO Steve Jobs will be present at the announcement in London and that the music will be sold through the iTunes Store and possibly other online outlets. In early February rumblings were heard that EMI was thinking about ditching DRM, but EMI was unable to entice the likes of Apple, Microsoft, and others. As it turned out, EMI wanted a considerable advance payment to offset what it perceived as a risk: selling DRM-free music online. EMI's position was simple: if they sell music without DRM, then users will find trading it that much easier." There's also rumours of an Apple/Beatles announcement sometime today, perhaps tied into this drm decision.
If this is true.... (Score:2, Funny)
(and the 'encryption' tag is wrong - encryption involves three parties & drm only two)
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Looks like it *is* true (Score:4, Informative)
As I write this, the BBC have a "breaking news" article that appears to confirm that EMI are dropping mandatory DRM [bbc.co.uk].
Short version: you will be able to buy DRM-free files, which will cost you more, but will also be of higher quality. You will also be able to upgrade existing DRM'd music to the "premium" DRM-free format for a small fee.
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EMI and Apple Agree Anti - Piracy Software Deal
By REUTERS
Published: April 2, 2007
Filed at 8:30 a.m. ET
LONDON (Reuters) - EMI Group Plc (EMI.L) said on Monday it was making its music catalog available through Apple Inc's (AAPL.O) iTunes store without the anti-piracy measure known as digital rights management (DRM).
``The new higher quality DRM-free music will complement EMI's existing range of standard DRM-protected downloads already available,'' EMI said in a statement as the company began a joint press conference in central London with Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs.
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I said Jobs was hypocritical for arguing against DRM while Apple seems happy to dish DRM out to its customers.
If it's not true, well, there's always another day.
Judging by the fact that you're not willing to login, I'd say it's going to be another day....
Re:If this is true.... (Score:4, Informative)
I said Jobs was hypocritical for arguing against DRM while Apple seems happy to dish DRM out to its customers.
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Of course not, I think someone's a hypocrite when they speak out against something whilst allowing it to happen within their own company(ies).
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Jobs had next to zero leverage when they started the iTunes store, he couldn't get the labels to do spit. Now he's got a bit of flex, and with EMI in his corner he's helped to open up the market to DRM-free major label music downloads. How horrible of him...
Of course, this won't mean anything if the consumers aren't willing to pay extra for their freedom or higher bitrate encodings.
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Anyway, "man up" actually sounds pretty gay
Come on. You were doing so well
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You can't ridicule them for using masculinity as a measuring tool by insulting their masculinity, without thereby validating it as a valid measuring tool.
I'm sorry, can you please explain that again?(!)
I was ridiculing them for defining their masculinity by following the stupid "man-phrase" of the week, relying on stupid media/advertising originated values and phrases, and in general noting that the people who seem most obsessed with being men also seem to be the least self-confident and willing to rely on the "safest" definitions of masculinity (usually put forward by advertisers and the like).
Will it play on iPod and Rio? (Score:4, Interesting)
Or am i still locked into iTunes iPod combination?
I own only an iPod, so i would not notice it even, but for some who own a Rio/some other music player, can i buy from iTunes, and then listen to it on Rio?
If not, then iam moving from a closer jail to a bigger jail.
Re:Will it play on iPod and Rio? (Score:5, Informative)
DRM is what locks iTunes purchases to the iPod. If you buy non-DRM tracks, they will play on anything capable of reading that format. The iTunes Store sells AAC tracks, so chances are it will work with any modern music player.
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But I can't run iTunes on my pc anyway (no linux client), so it doesn't matter much for me.
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True moving to mp3 will lose quality, but then how many people actually have a good enough pair of headphones on their ipod to be able to tell?
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Waaaahh! My MP3 player won't play AAC and there isn't iTunes for Linux (unless you use WINE). Waaaaaahh!
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Fact1: iAudio mediaplayers do not play AAC.
Fact2: There is no (native) Linux client of iTunes.
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Re:Will it play on iPod and Rio? (Score:5, Informative)
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Open (Score:3, Insightful)
As you can export any of your non-DRM music from iTunes, any jail cell you inhabit is of your own making. Apparently, here on
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Read about it here:
EMI's press release [emigroup.com]
I wonder if indie labels will also be able to sell non-DRM'd tracks on iTunes now.
Don't count on others following suit. (Score:5, Insightful)
Unlimited edition (Score:3)
Sex Pistols Revenge? (Score:3, Funny)
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Note that there's a very big "if" followed by a medium sized "should" here, so there's no telling what might happen. But if the music industry is shown (because they won't see for themselves) that DRM is bad for business, then and only then will they do the right thing.
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The jury is still out. There are too many unknowns. Will the price still be about a buck a track or something like 3 bucks a track? Will it be only 128K bitrate? Will it be in MP3 so it will play on non-AAC player? In short, will they raise the value enough to a big enough market to increase sales more than just a couple points? Will the new tracks kill sales from the sneaker
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Remember, if Apple doesn't have the costs associated with DRM, so they're probably giving EMI a larger cut on the non-DRM sales. Add in the $.30 premium, and their margin might be almost 30-50% higher than on non-DRM sales. And probably *much* larger margins than CD sales.
The most fundamental problem for the labels remains the fact that their ability
Am I the only person (Score:2)
Re:Am I the only person (Score:4, Funny)
Probably.
But now that you mention it, sufficently large amounts of EMI would certainly remove DRM from most types of media but this may be in the category of cures which kill the disease and the patient.
Risky (Score:2, Funny)
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They are a media for transporting digital information; not only is the separation senseless, it's imaginary. If you buy a CD, you've bought eight-to-fourteen digital files.
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I have ready access to all the games I could want thanks to a friend I know who's a very big pirate. I also know about GameCopyWorld [gamecopyworld.com].
However, I still buy games. I don't pirate them. (Then I use the stuff at GameCopyWorld to allow them to be played without the original CD, but that's because I have small kids all over the place and I keep those valuable archival media on a high shelf.) Similarly, I buy CDs and rip th
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You missed the sarcasm there entirely. Of course, this just indicates you failed to RTFA.
Good for EMI (Score:2)
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Nah, it doesn't lock them into the store. There's nothing to stop iTS customers buying from elsewhere. It locks customers into buying Apple hardware (iPods), which is far more lucrative.
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I'll probably have a look and buy a couple of albums to encourage this kind of thing. 256Kb/s AAC is pretty good, and DRM free is excellent. Now all they have to do i
And MP3??? (Score:2, Interesting)
I have to say I'm suspicious, I just want to buy the music, I don't want to sign up to a store that may or may not have DRM'd music, I just want to buy a track and know it will be mp3 vbr, with no nasty surprises, and no complicated EULA, and no BITE ME IN THE ASS drm.
Am I asking too much? I have money, real money with no EULA to sign before you take it, it is yo
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Also, AAC transcodes at very low loss to MP3, if you're using the right software.
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From what I have seen, there are more players that play MP3 and WMA than there are players that play MP3 and AAC (Not counting the sheer volume of iPods) If the reason to drop DRM is to expand the market to the population not owning iPods, keeping the AAC format will limit expansion to the segment that has AAC players instead of the segment that have MP3 or MP3 & WMA players.
I have an MP3 / WMA player and it does not play any DRM format.
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Except that the DRM:ed tracks will be 128 kbps and 99 cents apiece, while the non-DRM:ed tracks will be 256 kbps and 1.29 dollars apiece. If you cannot read before you buy, that's your problem.
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How about... (Score:2)
eMusic? Almost all of their stuff is VBR MP3, no DRM.
The only stuff that is not VBR are tracks that are already lo-fi, like stuff from old 78's, etc..
But no DRM, no gimmicks. And as long as you have an account with them, you can re-download anything you already downloaded, for free.
All for about 25% of the cost of buying from Apple...
Go Buy!! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Wait! (Score:2)
I Call April Fools (Score:3, Funny)
Personally, I call April Fools. The day Apple doesn't try and tie hardware, software, and content all together is the day hell freezes over. If Apple really wanted to strip DRM from some of their music, they would have already done so for the labels that are begging for it.
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The idea that Apple would sell non-DRMed music is laughable.
Not really. Apple makes money selling iPods. They run their music sales business as break even as a way to sell more iPods. Unlike the computer market, where hardware is a commodity and Apple's differentiator is software, music is a commodity. I think last time I looked only 15% of iPods had any music from the iTMS on it, with the rest coming from CD rips and filesharing. Further, Apple advises all users to back up purchases onto non-DRMed CDs right after they are purchased. So the only "lock-in" is the s
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But once I get some free time, I will lock into the drm removing software, to see If I can play Music from the ITunes music store on Linux and Solaris.
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And you were wrong. EMI will make their entire catalogue available without DRM, albeit at a slightly higher price, but also with the bitrate doubled.
Will you go back and eat your words? (Score:4, Interesting)
All the folks who erroneously expected/thought that Apple should have been able to do this in "2-3 days, tops" on a massive service and infrastructure like iTunes, will you now go back and eat your words?
To all of the people who think Apple can just "flip a switch" for indies, utterly ignoring the fact that there may be other binding legal or contract obligations that need to be ironed out, will you now go back and eat your words?
For the people who ignorantly don't realize that there is a massive support operation behind iTunes, and Apple doesn't want to break things or confuse customers, and wanted to do it right, and wanted to force the labels' hands such that a big one would jump first, will you now go back and eat your words?
I'm willing to wait at least for the official announcement, but since Reuters and the WSJ have already independently reported this, all you naysayers who kept on saying this was just a big PR conspiracy by Apple and they really were oh-so-in-love with DRM and iTunes/iPod lock-in that they'd never remove DRM, you're welcome to use this thread for your apologies.
This, if all the reports really are true (and no, it isn't the result of an April Fool's joke for anyone who still thinks it is), represents the biggest shift in online media since online media itself: the biggest online store, actively willing to sell content without DRM, proving that Apple isn't interested in DRM and did only apply it because of studio demands.
And then, pragmatically getting ALL of the major studios onboard into online sales, working in countless countries and jurisdictions with different legal systems, doing something that no other company had done before, and just biding its time and dropping the no-DRM bombshell in the form of Jobs' statement.
I know people probably won't thank Apple for this, especially the folks who love to hate Apple. But for all of the people who ask "what Apple ever does", or "how do they innovate", here's yet another answer.
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Where is that other answer? Missed that. Apple started making noise just ahead of the popular-opinion wave hitting, and the press that can't see past the blinding Apple glare hyped it up as the next, first, and only time DRMless media had ever been proposed.
I'll still be sticking with the services that never had DRM in the first place. I'm not about to give anyone a standing ovation just because th
Re:Will you go back and eat your words? (Score:5, Insightful)
Thanks!
(Believe it or not, some people want major label content.)
And the restrictions are there because they needed to be. Apple is now using its power and clout to slowly remove them, because DRM is worthless for all the reasons we already knew, including the reasons Jobs, in his statement, articulated. If EMI was teetering, Jobs statement pushed them over the edge.
Like all things Apple does, no, they weren't "the first" and may not have "invented" said concept, but, as usual, they're the first to do it right, do it with tools (or content) people actually use, and do it en masse. Like it or not, this is huge, and just like all of the other things Apple didn't invent but actually took mass-market and made easy to use, like the mouse, the GUI, desktop publishing (LaserWriter), 802.11 (AirPort), a usable online music/media store (iTunes), etc. and so on, this will stand as a major shift in online media.
No, Apple isn't some kind of savior. But give credit where credit's due.
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Confirmed! (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.emigroup.com/Default.htm [emigroup.com]
DRM-free downloads: EMI Music launches DRM-free superior sound quality downloads. From 1pm London time there will be a live audio webcast of this announcement.
Press Release here: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm [emigroup.com]
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30 (US/euro) cent upgrade (Score:2)
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$.99 for the normal DRM track
$.30 for the upgrade per song
Apparently the DRM tracks also are encoded at a higher quality.... seems odd that they'd offer DRM still, but it will be interesting to see how well they sell vs the cheaper DRM encoded tracks.
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If you don't like how they sell something, buy it from someone who offers an acceptable deal. If noone is selling what you want to buy, then DON'T CONSUME AT ALL.
Keep it honest, or else the vote you make with your dollar is meaningless.
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Re:Confirmed! Superior quality and pricing (Score:2)
"DRM-free tracks at twice the sound quality or Standard sound quality tracks with DRM".
Pricing will be higher as well.
Press release says "entire digital repertoire" (Score:4, Informative)
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Still no Beatles... yet...
Dear EMI (Score:2)
Most albums I listen to I already have on LP, CD, special edition CD and every other variant you tempt me with.
If you remove the DRM, you can bet I'll start buying MP3s from your catalogue too. Hope that helps in your decision.
Without DRM everything is easier (Score:2)
The catch... (Score:2)
Apple has announced that iTunes will make individual AAC format tracks available from EMI artists at twice the sound quality of existing downloads, with their DRM removed, at a price of $1.29/1.29/£0.99. iTunes will continue to offer consumers the ability to pay $0.99/0.99/£0.79 for standard sound quality tracks with DRM still applied.
Source: http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm [emigroup.com]
Ah, i knew there was a catch. Mr. Jobs, i'd like to save those 30 cents and get the non-upgraded quality without DRM, thank you.
Re:The catch... (Score:4, Insightful)
But here's a ready made one! Let the file sharing and self-serving moral posturing continue!
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Of course, this is probably just an excuse for them to be able to tell everybody that noone really wants drm-free music, since they'll still sell more DRM-infected than DRM-free songs...
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With danger of invoking Godwin's law, everyone from Hitler to Hannibal Lector have been able to justify their own actions to themselves. Anything from general anti-megacorporations to whatever will do "All the big corps
EMI artists (Score:5, Informative)
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It would also make the other big music companies sit up and take notice, when they suddenly start losing their golden-egg laying geese.
If you download some of EMI's non-DRMed music... (Score:3, Funny)
Thats why i love EMI (Score:2)
i bought an emi compilation of classic music titles, called "Best of Classics 100", and "Best of Classics 2" (100 again). each of them are 6 cd, total of 12 cd, classic music titles performed by renowned performers/orchestras.
came home, put these in my 6 cd changer pioneer set. set shuffle play and voila. play on sweet chariot.
when i am working, sitting, and even sometimes gaming, i play classical music. so it was on the air around 10-14 ho
Classical music (Score:2)
Yay!
The headline is already outdated (Score:2)
1.29US$ = .99GBP (Score:2, Funny)
with their DRM removed, at a price of $1.29/1.29/£0.99. [emigroup.com] .
Comfirmed: PR from Apple (Score:2)
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This is excellent news! I love that they are offering the option to upgrade any previously purchased songs to the 256 kbps DRM free version for 30 cents a track. I plan upgrading all of my tracks as soon as they are available. While I think that $1.29 is a little bit high for a track without DRM (I'd like to see them for the same price as the version with DRM), it's reasonable enough for me. You get twice the quality and no DRM for 30 cents more a track.
It also appears as if deals with other studios are i
A push to sell albums instead of individual tracks (Score:3, Informative)
This is also a push to help sell albums (which become even cheaper in comparison to individual drm-free tracks). This is inline with the recent iTunes Store "upgrade to album" offer.
USD 1.29 x 12 songs = USD 15.46 as compared to an album price of USD 9.99.
So if I buy 8 songs from an album, it is cheaper to buy the album. This compares to 10 individual tracks from the same album under previous pricing.
Gives Jobs some leverage in his problems with EU (Score:2)
I have to think negotiations for this were already underway with EMI when he wrote his open letter previously.
I may have to look into what they have to offer for the first time
Not a joke (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Not a joke (Score:5, Informative)
http://www.emigroup.com/Press/2007/press18.htm [emigroup.com]
Apple has announced that iTunes will make individual AAC format tracks available from EMI artists at twice the sound quality of existing downloads, with their DRM removed, at a price of $1.29/1.29/£0.99. iTunes will continue to offer consumers the ability to pay $0.99/0.99/£0.79 for standard sound quality tracks with DRM still applied. Complete albums from EMI Music artists purchased on the iTunes Store will automatically be sold at the higher sound quality and DRM-free, with no change in the price. Consumers who have already purchased standard tracks or albums with DRM will be able to upgrade their digital music for $0.30/0.30/£0.20 per track. All EMI music videos will also be available on the iTunes Store DRM-free with no change in price.
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Since when did $1.29 = £0.99? £0.65 maybe... Even by the usual ripoff $/£ conversion rates this is a bit much.
My gods... (Score:2)