MS Office Zero-Day Under Attack 172
paulBarbs writes "Microsoft is warning users to be on the lookout for suspicious Excel files that arrive unexpectedly — even if they come from a co-worker's e-mail address. In an advisory, Microsoft confirmed a new wave of limited "zero-day" attacks was underway, using a code execution flaw in its Microsoft Office desktop productivity suite. Although .xls files are currently being used to launch the spear phishing attacks, Microsoft said users of other Office applications (Word, PowerPoint, Outlook, Access, etc.) are potentially at risk."
How old are you? (Score:5, Funny)
How old are you? How long have you been available in the wild? How long did your brother exist in SP1 before you came along in SP2? Do you have a cousin which works in Win98/SE? How long have corporate managers been using you to spy on their employees?
Signed,
Secret Admirer
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Re: eComStation and OpenOffice.org (Score:5, Interesting)
Hi. I'm a PC user, with an HP laptop, and Office 2007. Not too long ago I had Vista Beta on this thing. And you know what? I don't have to worry about the vendor shutting me down ever. You know why? Because I live in a country that follows the rule of law, and can prove in a court that I purchased these things legally.
Part of me wishes they'd try -- it's amazing how good the upgrade from "punative damages" would be.
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So your solution is that we keep receipts of every single thing we purchase because the burden is upon us, the consumers, to prove that everything we have purchased is legal?
Gee, that sounds like a wonderful solution. "Why are you so worried about the government mandating cameras in your house? Surely, if you're
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No - just for the expensive stuff. I certainly do - I don't expect them to repair my LCD TV out of the goodness of their hearts if it breaks, etc. Validation failure in Vista seems even less likely than my TV giving up.
I should add I presently run XP Corp PE (Pirate Edition). Works like a charm, but I won't pretend to get all morally
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The company is explaining to you that you will bare the burden of proof of ownership
That's patt
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And I really mean it - if enough people do that (and manage to actually win the case), maybe MS will reconsider its policy of "stop the pirates, no matter how many legitimate users ge
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Could you tell those CSS folks that Geocities called and they want their website back? Thanks.
Re: eComStation and OpenOffice.org (Score:4, Funny)
Did you get an employee discount?
Hey, user_ecs: Are you an ad-bot troll? (Score:2)
In the past 24 hours, you made FOUR posts, all within TWO HOURS of each other. They were all ALL ads for E-com Station. Other than those four posts, there was nothing else for the past year-and-a-half.
Prior to that, two years ago you made FIVE posts, all within ONE HOUR of each other. They ALL advertised E-com Station.
There were two posts prior to that. Guess what they ALL advertised?
No, it's
When will people and businesses learn?! (Score:2, Insightful)
I would have thought that businesses would be the first to learn. They are the ones who tend to be the most affected by situations like this, especially when hundreds or thousands of Windows-based computers on their internal networks become compromised. It costs them a lot of money to clean up those systems.
Of course, such expenditure could have been prevente
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Signed,
Ballmer
Re:When will people and businesses learn?! (Score:4, Informative)
I would have thought that businesses would be the first to learn. They are the ones who tend to be the most affected by situations like this, especially when hundreds or thousands of Windows-based computers on their internal networks become compromised. It costs them a lot of money to clean up those systems.
At my place of employment (100% MS shop) they have had too many of these kinds of problems. As a solution, all attachments are filtered and removed. It it was an attachment we were expecting, then we could apply to recieve the attachment unless it is an executable. To send an executable file (including MS documents) we are advised to send them as encrypted zip files.
I don't expect this exploit of the week to be much of an issue for us Monday morning except for a couple road warriers who may have gotten it from home.
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I wasn't very clear.. We filter ALL attachments including zip files. Un-encrypted is deleted. Encrypted is held and can be requested if you were expecting it.
We know about the short note telling you how to use this password to decrypt the attached encrypted zip. It was a hack to get past filters. It is still a way to get past filters, but with the additional step of con
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I'm so glad I don't work with large corps any more. This is getting completely insane. The people I switched to FOSS desktops don't know how happy they ought to be...
Reminds me of that Dilbert strip where the PHB sent some file to someone then instructed his secretary to fax a copy as well "in case he didn't read his mail" and then to snail mail a printout "so that he'd have a clean copy".
Re:When will people and businesses learn?! (Score:4, Funny)
Great.
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Re:When will people and businesses learn?! (Score:4, Insightful)
There have been many security flaws reported for OpenOffice.
The problem is not Microsoft specific. It's a problem with overly complex software. Word processors are overly complex which means that there is a lot of code that can contain errors. Most users don't use the full functionality of the software and therefore don't require it to be so complex.
One of the great advantages of gentoo(and other source based package management) is that you can leave out functionality in a program that you're not going to use. This means less code that can be exploited.
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1 It might be hard to know what you can safely leave out of a compile and not break anything
2 It's difficult to foresee every function you are going to want in a program at compile-time, even if you're familiar with it
3 There are so many programs on a typical Linux box that to hand-choose modules for them all would take ages.
I guess in some environments (like cash register systems) you're doing only
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I guess that's a problem that needs solving.
A nice module loader, like in the linux kernel would be nice but having it automatically load required modules wouldn't solve the problem. So users would need to know what modules they needed loaded.
I'm still amazed at the size and complexity of office related programs.
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You shouldn't be, really. After all, it's perfectly logical. The number of features is a selling argument for a word processor that needs to compete not only against other products but also its own earlier versions. That's why the number of features - and thus complexity - can only ever grow.
What I'd like to see is something completely different, a document making system that would cleanly separate content and presentation, a bit l
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The problem is not Microsoft specific. It's a problem with overly complex software. Word processors are overly complex which means that there is a lot of code that can contain errors. Most users don't use the full functionality of the software and therefore don't require it to be so complex.
I never saw the point of allowing scripting within word processing documents, for instance. It violates the fundamental premise of seperating code from data. It was bound to cause problems, it has, and it pretty much
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It's about making MS Office a development platform, which to me sounds really expensive. At $700 AUD per user before you even start development, it's not very competitively priced.
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Really depends on how the code is structured.
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The moral of the story is: If everyone else jumped off a cliff, why yes, we would jump too.
It's an unfortunate but inescapable aspect of human societies that we value conformity above our individual safety.
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Precisely. And that's why I didn't say a word about standards.
If, however, you accept that the de facto 'let's use this format because everyone else does' way of working constitutes a sufficiently complete definition of 'standard', and if you are going to claim that the risks, in terms of security, cost and flexibility, cannot be mitigated by mere virtue of the ine
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These decisions are more difficult that simply looking at competing products and seeing which one is "superior". If you can't understand that there are literally dozens of factors which play into these decisions then I don't know what else I can say to you. As a quick overview: businesses need to consider long term support costs, compatibility with other users, and re-training costs for their employees. Those would be the minimal considerati
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Excuse me sir, but did you read the summary at the top of this page? I don't mean RTFA, just the summary.
That's been done to death, all the dumb claims have been answered, and people still continue spreading the myths.
If by 'people' who are spreading 'myths', you meant Microsoft officially warning their customers about 'risks', then I guess you're right.
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There's no consistency in file formats, even MS' own products more often than not bungle when it comes to opening an older version of their file formats. ?? What? please cite examples. The only time I ever saw a newer version have issues opening a old files was when lots (and I mean lots) of custom coding was done in that old file. This was with excel (the spreadsheet program that is way to big for it's own good). I have never seen a newer version of word, or pp screw up. I uninstall access whenever I see
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Although you're exaggerating a little for effect you're right. However, conformity is essential for the coherence of societies and not necessarily 'unfortunate' all of the time. That point is well established in socio-biology. If you took away the very strong drives for conformity society would quickly collapse. Knowing this though, we have to be on guard for symptoms of group-think that are de
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I would argue that 'groupthink' is not at all a helpful term, as it indulges in the very thing it objects to.
But without it, I would have a hard time describing the individual(s) who modded me 'over-rated' in retaliation for having an unpopular point of view. 8^/
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It has everything to do with conformity. I have no problem with the importance of being able to 'share documents with your business partners'. That's reasonable and universally appealing. I do find it unfortunate, though, that people continue to do it in a way that is neither secure, sustainable nor cost-effective, and then refuse to make any effort whatsoever to mitigate the problems
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Um... That's why standards exist (Score:5, Informative)
Re:because it's not that easy (Score:4, Funny)
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ISO 26300 aka Open Document
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"I'm on OS X and if a client or contractor sends me"
Most businesses can not afford or would not like to treat their a client like that. They are your client because you work for them. Unless your business is "IT general awareness" or "Subtle OS agenda pushing", you are not providing them a very good service. Maybe you are from the bizzaro world where the customers and clients do not come first or your clients have no choice to come your way because of prior arrangements and/or you are part of a much larger
what? (Score:5, Funny)
*rereads headline* what?
Re:what? (Score:4, Funny)
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I open Excel files 1 day after I receive them (Score:5, Funny)
Does not affect Office 2007 (Score:5, Insightful)
This is further supported by other software they have released that went throught their "secure development lifecycle [microsoft.com]" initiative, including IIS 6.0, IIS 7.0, Windows Vista, Windows Server 2003, etc.
Of course, IIS 7 and Vista have only been out there for a few months now... so, obviously, the jury is still out on them.
Do we know this for sure? (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Do we know this for sure? (Score:4, Insightful)
However, if you actually try the code which does impact Office 2003 and earlier additions, it does NOT work. Makes me glad I got my free copy of Office 2007.
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Why spread this FUD?
Hate Microsoft because of legitimate reasons (like anti-trust), NOT for reasons made up, like a little girl.
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So I guess it's not true at all. Never mind.
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Anyway, I'm surprised to see Access in the list of "possibly vulnerable". I guess it might be some part of the VBA parsing, since, except for that, lots of the file logic is different (the databases are not compound OL
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Load KERNEL32.DLL using a hardcoded address specific to Windows XP Service Pack 2. On other versions of Windows, Excel will simply crash
All of the other actions listed in the exploit sequence seem to be legitimate actions which, unless Microsoft wants to rewrite legitimate function calls or handle the "XOR shellcode" on a case by case basis (apparently, if it's allowed, there was/is a legitimate use for it someplace), cannot be blocked without creating major compatibility/useability issues for legit users.
If the exploit can be written for one hardcoded address, which can be found, then it can be written for any ha
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> is learning from their mistakes.
Not really. It also may be that nobody targets bugs in these products yet.
FreeDOS also has not many known vulnerabities.
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The fact that this does not effect MS Office 2007 merely indicates that MS has closed previously exploitable holes
Actually, that's probably not the case here. If Microsoft knew about this particular hole, they would have issued a patch for in for previous versions. They probably had no idea about this hole. The reason it doesn't affect Office 2007 is probably because Office 2007's basic approach to handling documents is different from previous versions. They treat all documents as potential threats. In other words, the secure development lifecycle made Office a more secure product, and this prevented a previously unkn
Bill was RIGHT. (Score:2, Funny)
The number [of Vista security flaws] will be way less because we've done some dramatic things in the code base. Apple hasn't done any of those things.
He was so right. It is time for Mac users to upgrade to Vista, after all, TFA says:
Confirmed vulnerable: [...]Office 2004 v. X for Mac.
There you have it fanboyz... CMD-. your life away! Vista all the way baby!
It's past time for a better approach (Score:2)
Re:It's past time for a better approach (Score:4, Interesting)
Code has become so enormous that the answer is, more than likely, nobody.
I'm still puzzled. Spreadsheet programs, word processors, database programs, etc. etc. etc. all fit on one, maybe two, floppy disks at one time. If anyone wonders how to write secure code the largest starting point is: cut out the advertising glitz and cruft.
But then the rest of the population would happily go back to sticky notes, $2.99 calculators, pencils, the telephone, US Mail, and the kitchen table (for solitaire) and that wouldn't be profitable for the market sector. So, love it or hate it, just view the security industry not as a problem to be solved but as a tiger to be fed and groomed.
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What? Again I say, what?
Apps of that era only had 8-bit character sets to deal with. Malformed input was so much easier to check for. Not that the expanded character sets of today are any real excuse but still, again I saw, what?
Re:It's past time for a better approach (Score:4, Insightful)
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- office workers should not work under an account with administrator privileges. when applications exist in the company that require administrator rights, they should be phased out. there is no excuse for still having such bad program code around in 2007.
- the user account being used should not have write permission in directories like
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Gates asked for it... (Score:2, Interesting)
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Windows just needs time to mature.
At the moment Microsoft are undergoing a big shake up.
Everyone has their foibles, and Windows is no different.
No software is perfect.
Microsoft are really trying to turn things around.
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Without Microsoft computers would be much harder to use and more expensive.
Etc.
I wasn't so much trying to be funny as regurgitating some of the sugar-coated bullshit I've been spoon-fed by the media over the past couple of years leading up to the release of Vista.
My honest opinion from what I've seen of Bill Gates is that he seems very insincere most of the time, like he is trying to hide deep seated insecurities behind a veneer of smugne
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How much is actual cash, and how much is given away as products (remember microsoft's products cost them virtually nothing to reproduce).
What kick-back do they get in the form of tax breaks? (when donating products, assuming the tax break is based on the retail cost, they can still make huge profits purely from that because the reproduction cost is so minimal).
How much is the PR worth? Donating to charity is simply a form of marketing, how co
totally offtopic (Score:1, Funny)
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Just wondering if this IS MS marketing? (Score:4, Interesting)
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I wonder if this exploit is specific to files with the
If it's the latter, that's a much bigger problem than the former, especially considering the fact that you can embed spreadsheets in html.
Glad I switched (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Glad I switched (Score:5, Funny)
Do you send links to any of these OpenOffice vulnerabilities [google.co.uk] as well?
Cheers,
Ian
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I can't be the only one (Score:2)
Mac vulnerable? (Score:3, Interesting)
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It's really vulnerable to all the same problems as Windows, and this is proof.
Absolute irrefutable proof from an utterly incorruptible independent source!
Nevermind that... (Score:2, Funny)
It's not funny, why laugh? (Score:5, Interesting)
The zombies that will result from those attacks will send spam even to your tricked out Linux PC. You're laughing at your own expense. Have fun.
It's called Schadenfreude (Score:2)
Especially after that interview with Bill Gates in Newsweek. It's not that people don't feel for Microsoft's victims. It's just that when you make the claims Gates did you have to be able to back them up. Time and time again Microsoft has shown that they can't.
The Irony (Score:5, Funny)
Re:If only 50% of the population used MS Office (Score:4, Interesting)
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Re:Falling Sales? (Score:4, Informative)
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the zero day you're referring to is 0 day warez, that is, warez that are released before the actual product. A 0-day exploit means that the exploit is in the wild before the vendor knows about it.
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