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Monad Shell Removed From Vista
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on Fri Aug 05, 2005 06:22 PM
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from the easy-come-easy-go dept.
hggs writes "According to Stephen Toulouse at Microsoft, because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista. CNet is reporting that, even though Monad is not to be included on Vista, it will be included on a major server operating system for servers from Microsoft. Codenamed Longhorn server, that edition is due out by 2007." Update: 08/06 04:45 GMT by Z : As Mr. Toulouse states here, the submission here adds one and one and gets three. Monad hasn't been in Vista for about two months. The CNet article is clarifying a previous report stating that Monad could potentially be the first source of viruses in an OS which incorporated it. The interesting news about Monad in the server edition was obscured by the factually incorrect submission, which at first blush seemed to make sense. Mea Culpa.
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Re:Slide more and more... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://c63.be/)
If only it was VMS... (Score:5, Insightful)
Where's our versioning file system? Where's our ironclad clustering? (Someone who's a real VMS geek can probably offer more examples)
Micrsoft hires Dave Cutler, who wrote VMS, and a bunch of the DEC engineers, has them write a brand spankin' new OS to Rule Them All, and they try to sell some retarded crapheap that doesn't have some of the best features of the '80's.
Of course, the perfectly sensible reason they're selling a crapheap is that performance mattered more than a secure microkernel architecture (which NT, at one point, supposedly was), and backwards compatability with win32 is the only thing keeping people running to back to MS like a crackhead to his dealer.
Give me my good 'ol 70's Unix. The '80's died, and the 90's just won't.
Re:If only it was VMS... (Score:4, Interesting)
(Last Journal: Wednesday October 24, @03:50AM)
I've been away from VMS too long to call myself a real geek, but what I miss most when I'm using other OSs is the consistency.
Commands mean what you think and work the way you expect. The Procedure Calling Standard makes coding in different languages a breeze. The versioning file system saved my arse more than once too...
And of course, there was always EDT..
Trouble is, most of that sort of stuff is the result of solid design, and can't just be ported over. Adding a clever command shell to Windows is a good step, and from what I've seen, Monad has potential to be a very clever CLI, but it's resting on a system which was never designed to be as solid as VMS.
I've heard Longhorn/Vista described as the result of a collision between VMS and OSX Tiger, and while there's an element of truth there, I'd say the bits that survived the impact aren't the ones which make VMS so rock solid.
Re:Slide more and more... (Score:5, Funny)
Ahhh, a world where Microsoft makes vacuum cleaners.
BOGUS STORY SUBMISSION (Score:5, Informative)
MOD PARENT UP (Score:5, Insightful)
Read up: MS isn't 100% bad. They have some good stuff and good policies sometimes. Don't complain about them point blank to improve your ego, you'll be the kid that called wolf too many times.
Re:FP (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.nuclearelephant.com/)
- Slick 'Vista' wallpaper
- DRM to protect the wallpaper
Rock on!
Poster Wrong. (Score:5, Informative)
because of the threat of viruses (Score:3, Funny)
(http://www.jacobsheehy.com/ | Last Journal: Tuesday November 08 2005, @03:01AM)
Idea (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Idea (Score:5, Funny)
It'd be funny, if only I were joking.
We get the point... (Score:5, Funny)
Welcome to the department of redundancy department...
Dear God MORON... (Score:5, Informative)
Now some attention seekers claim they created a virus, which is no more powerful than anything you could currently do in VBScript and gets headlines. Now you link to a blog that says "There is no virus threat [TRUE!] and Mohad will not be in Vista [TRUE]" and conclude that A == B?! Dear god you people!
Re:Oh hush up! (Score:5, Funny)
I think I speak for the majority of slashdot when I say we are here to be told what to think, not to think for ourselves.
Re:So what they are saying is... (Score:5, Interesting)
(http://www.hiregeeks.com/)
Just what we needed (Score:5, Funny)
The summary couldn't have been more inaccurate! (Score:5, Informative)
(http://www.xiphoris.com/)
From TFA:
"First of all, in examining the details of the reports, there is no Windows Vista virus described in them.
If one had read either of the two articles linked, one would realize that the so-called "viruses" are nothing more than malicious scripts. No software hole is exploited; the viruses are no more dangerous than any arbitrary piece of code running on your system.
They are not viruses; they only have the privileges that a user gives them. They're the same as any other executable file.
If a stranger sends you an executable, be it a script or a compiled program, and you run it, you're already in trouble. These scripts are nothing special.
Did the article author even read what he was submitting? The author states, "because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista", which could not be more deliberately misleading, and is contracted by both articles he links to!
I guess they've really castrated it now... (Score:3, Interesting)
(http://www.zocalo.uk.com/)
Is this really the best response that Microsoft can come up with at a time when there is so much increased dissatisfaction with their endless upgrade cycle? If it is, then the F/OSS communities should probably increase their efforts to target the corporate desktop, because Microsoft doesn't appear to have anything of substance for several years! I'll bet Steve Jobs is laughing too; he's certainly picked the right time to go through the traumas of switching architecture.
Worst. Slashdot summary. Ever. (Score:4, Informative)
(http://allstarpowerup.com/)
An announcement from Fedora (Score:5, Funny)
(http://chiralsoftware.net/)
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10 great windows vista features (Score:5, Funny)
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/gullevek/)
One was WinFS and fell into a hole.
9 little windows Vista features walked around the park. The new shell slipped and fell into the pool and drowned.
8 little windows vista features walked around the park. DRM bully came and whacked them all dead.
No new Windows Vista features were left alive, so Microsoft put some new colors in and everybody bought it.
Wow is the headline WRONG! (Score:5, Insightful)
(http://slashdot.org/)
The author is pretty clear that the reported virii had ZERO effect on the choice to include monad or not.
Yet somehow the submitter was able to conclude "...because of the possible virus threat that targets Monad the shell will not be included in Windows Vista.". Will wonders ever cease to exist!
Slashdot sensationalism overflow recently. (Score:3, Insightful)
(Last Journal: Tuesday July 30 2002, @11:10PM)
I understand the nature of slashdot. I used to be one of the linux zealots prowling the area. I read the front page and, very rarely, the articles. Not quite sure what made me do it this time. But letting disinformation such as this leak to the front page scares me, when useful stories from people are ignored all the time.
Re:Everything must go (Score:3, Funny)
(Last Journal: Saturday March 26 2005, @03:18PM)