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Survey: SOA Prominent On 2005 budgets 138
Michael S. Mimoso writes "A Yankee Group survey of 473 enterprise decision makers reveals that companies have put aside money for service-oriented architectures for 2005." This is a bigger deal than it sounds - if companies keep moving this away, it will mean a sea change in corporate technology usage - and change the way/why development is done. We're talking everything from SOAP stuff (ITMJ is part of OSTG) to wholesale ASP adoption like Salesforce.com.
I don't get it (Score:5, Funny)
Why does it have to be a bigger deal before it sounds? Why does a service contract have to make any sound? Can't that step be taken out entirely? It seems to me that companies can save money that way.
um (Score:3, Funny)
Re:um (Score:5, Funny)
SOA still means "start of authority" to me
That's nothing, in Dutch it's the acronym for sexually transmitted disease... I had never heard of this buzzword meaning either.
Re:um (Score:2, Funny)
sexually transmitted disease
Fortunately this is slashdot, no one here will have to worry about that.
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Re:um (Score:3, Funny)
As a Dutchman I saw SOA, Sexueel Overdraagbare Aandoening- or in English;
Sexually Transmittable Disease...
Thank god we don't (yet) need a preservative on /.!
Re:um (Score:2)
umm... (Score:2)
Perhaps you mean either condom or prophylactic.
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TOA is "Talking out of his/her Ass"
so maybe SOA is "Shitting out of his/her Ass".
Article is a good candidate for buzzword bingo. "News for Nerds" guys.
Disclaimer: I'm doing an MBA, and so I can give an educated opinion that the article is BULLSHIT.
Re:um (Score:5, Interesting)
May I be the first to say "WTF".
SOA may be something useful. Unfortunately (?), this article does nothing to explain what it is, only that you need it, your business needs it, and if you don't you are going to be left behind all those other companies that allready have it.
I gotta invent me something like this, make it cool, and make a mint flogging it.
However, posting it to slashdot WILL NOT be my preferred manner of drumming up business.
Re:um (Score:2)
That's the whole point! Scare the PHB into thinking they need it, so they hire a consulting firm to deliver it.
If they understood it, they might just walk down to the Tech department and ask if they need it. Chances are the tech department might just reply "we already have it" or "we don't need it right now".
Re:um (Score:2)
Arthur: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night, he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail.
S: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already got one, you see?
A: What?
Lancelot: He says they've already *got* one!
A: (confused) Are you *sure* he's got one?
S: Oh yes, it's ver' naahs.
Re:um (Score:2)
You've left out a step or two and that's not the right format.
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SOA=Service Oriented Architecture
There are probably a million or so articles just like this one, evangalizing SOA. I regretfully admit that I probably had a hand in writing some of them, if indirectly and unwillingly.
Briefly, SOA describes an architecture for building flexible, loosely coupled, integrated applications using Web Service
SOA != Web Services (Score:3, Informative)
Dynamic service registration
Dynamic service discovery
Support for one or more standard protocols for service invocation
Note the absence of the acronyms "SOAP" and "XML" on that list.
Patrick
Re:SOA != Web Services (Score:2)
I thought that CORBA already made arrangements for all these things.
Re:um (Score:2, Funny)
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Good call. In British English, the past tense "Shat" has gained popularity, and maybe should be considered as a substitute on the other side of the pond.
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SOA is Service-Oriented Architecture. Makes sense doesn't it?
Service-Oriented Architecture (Score:1)
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Last week, it meant web-services.
Chip H.
Or this (Score:1)
My head hurts. (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:My head hurts. (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:My head hurts. (Score:2, Insightful)
markus
It's just in a different language. (Score:2)
The target audience for the article is obviously IT management, and is spoken in their language. This doesn't mean it is content free, it means they focus on different things than technical people usuallly do.
I actually
Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Michael S. Mimoso writes... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Michael S. Mimoso writes... (Score:2)
And look right at the top of the article: "By Michael S. Mimoso, Senior News Editor 30 Sep 2004 | SearchWebServices.com".
Shame on you Hemos.
Holy cow (Score:5, Funny)
Thanks for the great submission.
Re:Holy cow (Score:2, Funny)
RTFA is making me ROFL.
LOL.
HNG heh.
Re:Holy cow (Score:5, Interesting)
According the the bullfighter Index, the article gets:
Bull Composite Index of 5.9 (not horrible)
Bull index of 94 (good)
Average sentence length (good)
Syllables/word (ok).
And the part I love.. the Flesh score.. 36:
Diagnosis: Teetering on the edge of unclear. The overall meaning remains discernible, but it becomes possible to lose oneself in corollary thoughts, which may be worth exploration, but which can also detract from the core point of the written article.
Anyway.. off topic but fun.
JD
Re:Holy cow (Score:1)
Almost as bad as "all your base are belong to us";
Superfluous "and" found in statement Line 1.
JD
Re:Holy cow (Score:2)
1. You might want to debug your syntax checker; it's actually the "are" that's superfluous, I think.
2. The question remains as to whether or not one would still love Bullfighter after they've tried it.
Interesting tool, though. Thanks for making me aware of it. It is also interesting that a firm like Deloitte would put such funny stuff on their web site. (I'm referring to the Bullfighter FAQs on the download page.)
It is further interesting t
Re:Holy cow (Score:1)
I was speaking of the 'and'.
Back in the day the 'Superfluous to found in add statement' was a common error I'd get when writing COBOL code.
ASPs (Score:3, Interesting)
The article is pimping ASPs. For those of you who have managed to avoid this particular bit of buzzwordspeke, it refers to "application service providers" (not the more common usage). Basically, the idea is that some vendor runs the backend of your applications on a remote server and admins them there, and you get the front end. It has the obvious appeal to vendors -- it lets you use a neat loop
Re:ASPs (Score:5, Insightful)
The vendor sells you the app and comes in and sets it up incorrectly. The guy who got the training and all of the manuals gets a better job and leaves. You didn't buy a service agreement, so you don't have the updates that you need. You have to set the clock back to 1998, because its not Y2K. And it only runs on Windows NT, Service pack 2, with constant attention required to keep the log files from overflowing.
Re:ASPs (Score:2)
Re:Holy cow (Score:2, Interesting)
SOA? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:SOA? (Score:2)
Correct me if I'm wrong .. (Score:1)
but isn't Salesforce.com a JSP shop, not ASP.
Re:Correct me if I'm wrong .. (Score:2)
Re:Correct me if I'm wrong .. (Score:1)
Comment removed (Score:4, Interesting)
Execs are starting to get it (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Latest buzz phrase and how it can be abused (Score:3, Insightful)
The service perspective allows them to more easily abstract between software providers. I don't want to buy "..bla bla a lean mean Cyrus 2.2.8 IMAP server running Debian Woody on a dual Xeon bla bla.." - I want to buy "An email service with 99% uptime, 99.9% during business hours at a cost of
That's an expensive email server! (Score:2)
Even if I bought two nice servers and clustered 'em for 99.99 uptime, I could likely get 2-3 years out of them easily. Even with software and maintenance, that's a ton of money. It might be comperable if you were talking zero IT staff, but at a 300 person company that's largely a fantasy as well.
Let me be the first to ask (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Let me be the first to ask (Score:2)
Re:Let me be the first to ask (Score:2)
These intercommunication methods have been evolving so rapidly as to cause more integration problems than they solve. The XML people can't even agree on a way of expressing the schemas last time I checked. As far as I can tell, the most stable interface for communication is HTTP PUT with simple name/value pairs, which is sufficient for many purposes.
Re:Let me be the first to ask (Score:2)
Sorry, I meant HTTP POST.
Re:Let me be the first to ask (Score:1)
The way it went down... (Score:2, Funny)
CTO, not wanting to sound stupid: Of course we are excited by the synergies present in the technology, and will continue to lead the market in SOA technologies...
Re:I concur. (Score:4, Funny)
Some quick examples:
reintermediate bricks-and-clicks partnerships
brand e-business action-items
orchestrate visionary interfaces
Using this tool we can quickly create:
Using SOA we can engineer wireless web services to deliver frictionless communities. It will allow us to optimize out-of-the-box portals and extend our enterprise models. If we monetize viral convergence we can synergize customized relationships and utilize matrix efficient infrastructures. SOA will enable us to reintermediate compelling e-business thus increasing our ROI. Our TCO will be minimied due to the increasing ability to drive magnetic markets.
Re:I concur. (Score:3, Funny)
Holy crap!! That's my company's mission statement!
Re:I concur. (Score:2)
YOU'RE HIRED! Is $120K, plus relocation, plus expenses, plus company car, plus capuccino maker, plus 10K stock options, too little?
{SMACK}
Oh shit, that's right, it's after 2002 and "we now know" the New Economy was a complete fraud. Get out of my sight an
Re:I concur. (Score:2)
Then imagine someone murders someone.
Continue to imagine that the legal system prosecutes the suspect.
Are you catching on yet, cupcake? Or are you under the vastly unwise and mistaken impression that continued law breaking is not evidence that more law is needed?
I mean, fuuuuck, you Americans are complete morons. How on Earth do you survive? I was born here, I live here, but I still can't figure out how the rest of you all get through the da
Re:I concur. (Score:2)
YES, YES, FOR THE LUVAGOD! That's exactly it.
Why do so many people get confused by my sig? I swear, Americans are about as dense as the depleted uranium they are busily firing all over Afghanistan and Iraq.
:s/web services/Service Oriented Architecture/g (Score:3, Funny)
Small companies will benefit (Score:1)
I think this will open the playing field to more companies since we'll be moving away from rigid systems like SAP to piece by piece built components. Also on wep services such as SOAP the open source & low cost components such as linux php and pear etc. make entry into this market quite affordable for startups.
Re:Small companies will benefit (Score:2)
Re:Small companies will benefit (Score:1)
In Holland... (Score:1, Offtopic)
Re:In Holland... (Score:1)
Re:In Holland... (Score:1)
Re:In Holland... (Score:1)
Yankee Group (Score:4, Interesting)
Inconceivable! (Score:5, Funny)
Vizzini: Whoever he is, he's obviously seen us with the slashdot factor and therefore thinks his webserver must die. You [to Fezzik] read the article. We'll [to Inigo] head straight for the first posts. Catch up when it's meta-moderated. If his webserver fails, fine; if not, the use the wiki.
Inigo: I'm going to do him in with bug-me-not.
Vizzini: You know what a hurry we're in!
Inigo: Well, it is the only way I my anominity can be satisfied. If I use my right name, the spam will come too quickly.
Vizzini: Oh have it your way.
Fezzik: [to Inigo] You be careful. People in marketing cannot be trusted.
Yo Grark
Re:Inconceivable! (Score:2)
Re:Inconceivable! (Score:1, Funny)
Erm... (Score:5, Funny)
473 enterprise decision makers? How many best-of-breed synergized Libraries of Congress is that?
Oh, that's where... (Score:2)
SOA, ERP, SAP, CRM, IBM, COO and CFO (Score:5, Funny)
Re:SOA, ERP, SAP, CRM, IBM, COO and CFO (Score:2)
Yankee Group & SOA (Score:3, Funny)
Hmm (Score:5, Funny)
Particularly for the guys riding with them on the bus.
Don't believe the hype (Score:3, Insightful)
It will find its niche, like web services did, but it's not going to be the next big thing.
Re:Don't believe the hype (Score:2)
SOA is what microsoft will be pushing for the new few years, so this term isn't likely to go away regardless of what we think.
Not all buzz (Score:2)
The idea is to allow us to abstract away vendors and certain ugliness so that replacing them can be scheduled seperately.
the concept of loose coupling, abstraction layers, and generic services is just goo
Great, you killed it (Score:1, Funny)
Primer site on SOA (Score:2)
SOA = Same Old Architecture (Score:4, Insightful)
Heard the hype once when it was SOAP. Heard the hype again when it was Web Services. Hearing it again as SOA. It's still the same thing - exposing parts of your business using XML over HTTP. Some will say SOA is about a philosophy, about loose coupling. What nitwits were writing tightly coupled web services? The problem there ISN'T the technology, it's the development philosophy, and products don't fix bad design.
Sigh of relief! (Score:2, Insightful)
It's funny how cathartic it is to read an article like that, come away feeling stupid for not understanding all the mana
SOA What? SOA This. (Score:4, Informative)
The core idea of SOA is that there are a lot of enterprises out there with lots of legacy databases on their networks. They also have small, decentralized app development teams that just want to put the data in front of the customer, as quickly as possible. Allowing all those teams direct access to all those databases is both expensive and risky (from a security standpoint) and expensive and difficult (from the front end developer's standpoint). SOA is a way to put a single point of entry across multiple databases. The front end people can code hellbent for leather against SOAP, without thinking about security or SQL, while the SOA team writes at a somewhat slower more methodic pace, linking in security (perhaps via LDAP) and handling handling the SQL.
Basically it's a way of keeping the O/R mapping and database security problem with a single team, while also allowing individual departments and divisions of the corporation to have their own app development teams.
Notice to Cease and Desist (Score:1, Funny)
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Sea Change? (Score:2)
I finally figured out "paradigm shift" a long time ago, but, now, we have "sea change." What does this mean? Does it mean that the 473 enterprise decision makers are so overweight that the tide rises when they are at the beach? Do shipping lanes need to be routed around them? Does a belly flop off of the diving board send islanders across the Atlantic fleeing in fear?
uhhh (Score:1)
Uhhh.... WTF?
Sounds a lot like... (Score:2)
The Postmodern Generator:
http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/ [elsewhere.org]
Every time you refresh, it generates a new essay in postmodern-speak.
Buzzwords? (Score:2)
I don't expect people to know any technical jargon (I.E. me "The keyboard yea the thing with the buttons probably right in front of the big square thing with glass in the front"), but even I don't have complete distain for the jargon of other disciplines.
Props to slashdot for trying to enlighten readers that there is more going on with the OS revolution than simply the technical aspects.
You may not want to learn the buzzwords but then perhaps so
A general comment about SOA, MS and the marketplac (Score:1, Informative)
Here is the train that no one sees coming - MS isn't stealing an API or a package or a language this time. With Indigo, MS is trying to steal the next major programming paradigm. MS is quietly patenting the successor to OO, every wild and not-so-wild idea that anyone can pull out of their ass is being patented as a means of covering all bets. Somebody who works for MS (one of the people who b
well (Score:2)
But first of all, you're a bit alarmist. Services orientation is not the new programming paradigm, and it is not a sucessor to OO. It certainly is the disruptive successor to OO-like distributed computing technologies such as CORBA, RMI, EJB, etc. But it doesn't kill OO "inside" the services.
Let's also note that OO is not actually ine
More SOA, MS Marketplace drivel (Score:1, Interesting)
http://msdn.microsoft.com/events/pdc/default.aspx ? pull=/msdnmag/issues/04/01/indigo/default.aspx
I think this push for SOA is going to be the beginning of the end for OO:
Object-oriented development focuses on applications that are built from interdependent class libraries. Service-oriented development focuses on systems that are built from a set of autonomous services. This difference has a profound impact on the assumptions one makes about the development experience.
Re:Buzzwords through the ages. (Score:1)