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Sorry (Score:4, Funny)
If you want to get purchased by Symantec (Score:3, Funny)
Re:If you want to get purchased by Symantec (Score:1)
Re:If you want to get purchased by Symantec (Score:1, Funny)
Rumor has it that Lord Gates is planning the construction of a large satellite and has transported the blueprints through an R2 unit.
Begun, the Hack Wars has.
Re:If you want to get purchased by Symantec (Score:5, Funny)
--Dan
Re:If you want to get purchased by Symantec (Score:2)
Oh, wait...
Feeling old and sad... (Score:5, Insightful)
do you mean shedding a tear because (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:do you mean shedding a tear because (Score:5, Insightful)
By all means three cheers for the hackers making money at what they love, I just miss what it was.
-nB
Re:do you mean shedding a tear because (Score:5, Insightful)
Free?
Re:do you mean shedding a tear because (Score:5, Funny)
What's the world coming to?
You pay for the software that's full of bugs and holes
THEN
You pay, again to have someone protect you from those bugs and holes.
Sh!t, it's like Detroit and the Saudi Royal Family in bed with each other... oh, wait... never mind.
Orange Alert: Someone has figured it out in Sector 12! Paging Carl Rove! Damage Containment! Whoop! Whoop!
Re:do you mean shedding a tear because (Score:4, Interesting)
C
Re:do you mean shedding a tear because (Score:3, Interesting)
kids today... (Score:1)
You haven't lived until you've used an acousticoupler at 110 baud and couldn't laugh at what you were reading because it would get picked up and cause errors (or even drop the connection).
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:2)
Doesn't matter. L0phtCrack is obsolete.
No. (Score:2)
Sell-outs.
But hey we all gotta pay the bills eventually.
Re:No. (Score:2)
As long as the cDC ninja strike [hastypastry.net] force is still up I'll always keep my fond memories.
Re:No. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've got to disagree here. I think that the best thing a genuine hacker can do is to join into the industry as a position of influence. While a single individual has little influence preaching to the choir here on
Think of it this way: The Exploratorium in San Francisco is a museum dedicated to science (recommended visit if you are ever in the city). They have an exhibit where a one ton concrete pillar is suspended by a chain from an arched support. A steel band girdles the pillar. All around the exhibit is a handrail so you can not touch the pillar directly. There are many small/weak refrigerator magnets on strings at the handrail. The "object" is to effect a movement on the pillar using these weak magnets. It takes time and patience, but I've successfully made the pillar nearly hit the handrail (it's designed so the pillar will not reach the rail to prevent the real possibility of injury).
We hackers in industry, @stake included, are those little magnets. Given time and direction we can achieve anything. For example I am nudging the division of my employer I work at to provide OSS drivers and code for the one product family I work with. The fear is that by OS'ing our drivers we'll allow competitors too much visibility into our product. My response was that we can release a binary and an OSS layer of source to interface that binary to the kernel. I've been gaining ground slowly, but I work in a very large company so change is slow. Eventually I hope to propagate this to other groups.
[/soapbox]
-nB
Re:No. (Score:1)
Re:No. (Score:2)
-nB
Re:No. (Score:2)
I'd love to, I can't.
It's really that simple. I can either provide no support to OSS or basic support. In time I may be able to provide better code but not right now.
-nB
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:5, Insightful)
l0pht is long over.
Lets set the record straight (Score:5, Informative)
L0pht =! @Stake
and is hasn't for a long time. I think there is only one original L0pht person left at @snake.
It is unlikely any of the L0pht folks, or anyone not currently employed there will get anything out of this deal. All the money will most likely end up in the pockets of the VC. I know I don't get squat. (Anyone got a cool job they need filled? or even an uncool one?)
No one at L0pht ever said we could shut down the Internet with "the push of a button". It was 30 minutes. Using a router reset vulnerability that would cascade and confuse the major backbone providers, which has since been patched.
I tried to resurect HNN earlier this year but it seems no one was interested. or maybe I didn't advertise it well enough either way the traffic was abysml and I couldn't afford to keep it going. The WMA was taken over by Freaks Mac Archives long ago.
I submitted this exact same story to /. about 12 hours ago and it was regected. Maybe becuase I wasn't too polite in my descriptions of certian companies. Hmmmm, sounds familiar.
What has been most interesting is to see technology advance and realize that "Hey, L0pht thought of that 5 years ago." But due to lack of funds we could never make it happen. Of course after we got the money we no longer had control and can only sit back and watch as other people devloped our ideas. Sigh.
- SR
http://www.spacerogue.net [spacerogue.net]
Damn, I wondered what ever happened... (Score:2)
I remember enjoying your articles on HNN what seems like ages ago, but you're right--many such things seem to be falling by the wayside.
I've long felt like @stake "sold out" (IIRC, it seemed like things went to crap just about when HNN stopped) and now I know why--they don't seem to have much of anyone left with a clue in control.
Wish I knew how to help--I liked HNN. It was a lot more informative than almost anything published, and all the mailing lists are filling
Re:Lets set the record straight (Score:1)
Re:Lets set the record straight (Score:2)
I miss it.
relaunch of HNN (Score:2)
oh man, my feelings EXACTLY.... (Score:2)
Very sad to see what l0pht has turned into
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:2)
I wonder if Mudge will have to use his real name?
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:2, Informative)
Mudge no longer works at @Stake. Hasn't for years. And he started using his real name well before that. Pieter Zatko. If you were wondering.
- SR www.spacerogue.net [spacerogue.net]
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:1)
Re:Feeling old and sad... (Score:2)
Outcomes ? (Score:5, Interesting)
Will these aquisitions reinforce this mode for symantec or result in McAfee getting a bit better?
Re:Outcomes ? (Score:1)
Oh come on, am I the only cynical one when it comes to antivirus vendors?
Re:Outcomes ? (Score:4, Insightful)
the obvious question (Score:5, Funny)
Re:the obvious question (Score:1, Funny)
Re:the obvious question (Score:2, Funny)
Burger King's Dr. Angus!
Re:the obvious question (Score:2)
"Right now I'm recovering the password... (Score:5, Funny)
Who begat whom? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Who begat whom? (Score:1)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09/10/mydoom_jo
What they need are people with a clue... (Score:2)
Look for a posts by spacerog [slashdot.org], he was actually a part of all this.
Hacker News Network (Score:4, Insightful)
I used to read HNN at school during lunch time.
The change in direction to it being simply @Stake was already a early sign of its new approach to bring in a more conservative audience.
Re:Hacker News Network (Score:5, Insightful)
Ohh
Re:Hacker News Network (Score:2)
Ah, yes... yes, money, profits and women!
Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:1, Funny)
Detected as "Hack tool". First ever time my weekly scan has picked up anything
Not that I'm annoyed or anything.
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:2, Funny)
*mmrrmmmrr* Linux *MMmmmrmrrmM*
*snickers*
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:1)
I doubt any operating system could stop it. If you put too many hoops into software for the sake of security, the user will look elsewhere.
It won't be long now until Symantec or one of the other big players brings out a linux scanner and client. The novices will NEED something to watch over their shoulders.
With geeks like ourselves, we can run securely and sensibly on any operating system and not fall into the silly tr
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:1)
The calm before the storm. I sense a reinstall coming.
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:1)
And now, I am about to be flamed and proably drawn and quartered... *douses self with kerosine and awaits the inevitable*
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:1)
Food for thought: how long would it take you to go from a fresh install to that setup? Sure, you can make a comfy environment in just about anything if you're competent, but my criterion for choosing a distribution (or an OS) is: How much work is it to get from "
Re:Grrrrr NAV just deleted one of my files (Score:1)
All required applications are on, all accessories are ready, things are configured and look as I expect them.
I am able to go on the internet and configure my system and user preferences after about 35 minutes, installers just run in the background.
I have everything prepared, though in the last 3 years I have only rebuilt this machine once, and that was just OS partition.
Once the main
Good, maybe they'll hire back Dan Geer... (Score:4, Interesting)
Since they gave him the boot [computerworld.com] while licking Microsoft's arse cheeks...
choice quote from your article (Score:4, Informative)
ethics and respect? ahahahah
@stake (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:@stake (Score:2, Funny)
Re:@stake (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:@stake (Score:2)
@stake sold out ages ago, after firing one of the last l0pht people because he put out a report critical of Microsoft, one of their clients...
l0pht0r (Score:4, Interesting)
I never understood how a 'hacker group' could merge with a legit company. The members of the group maybe, but MERGE a group with a company is alittle odd. In other words, l0pht should still be around, outside of @Stake. But i'm sure that would be a conflict of interest...or something like that.
I reality, l0pht was cool, but there was plenty of other stuff out there and good for them for cashing in. All everyone seems to want to do is call them sellouts because they did something innovative and got paid for it, instead of sitting behind a desk as a sysadmin for the rest of their lives doing jack shit complaining about everyone in their league who went on a limb and took a real chance. Good for the old l0pht crew.
Re:l0pht0r (Score:1)
I remember that I was in the habit of creeping around the archives in the old l0pht site (something about the notebooks of aleister crowley). One day I go to l0pht.org and I'm re-directed to atstake.com...
It was pretty fascinating how they had lined up all sorts of phd's and illuminaries to dress up their organization. There was still something of a link
Great Grammar (Score:4, Funny)
What in the world does it mean to have "gone out a bought up" something?
Re:Great Grammar (Score:2)
Re:Great Grammar (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Great Grammar (Score:1)
What a dumbass.
And the next version... (Score:1)
Why keep it simple, if they can make buggy and obfuscated?
Hmm (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hmm (Score:1)
In a somewhat-related note, are any of l0pth's stuff open source? I think I tried looking through for l0pthcrack or something to see if it was GPLed but didn't dig far enough.
The more I see these acquisitions happening, the more I'm appreciating the concept of the GPL.
Re:Hmm (Score:2, Interesting)
I remember working at a "Security" shop (that were recently acquired by Verisign), and at my time there I found numerous holes in software we used in house. Now, I'm all about full-disclosure and such, and so I had prepared a few advisories on these softwares, only to have my manager tell me it would be "bad for everyone" if I had rele
Re:Hmm (Score:1)
Putting l0pth in the OSS arena was a long shot on my part, but I figured there are security/AV tools out there that are in the OSS world. Clam AV, Nessus, Nmap, Snort, to name a few. Open the product, sell services...the busi
Re:Hmm (Score:4, Interesting)
They also let a lot of "non-business-compatible" people go; Space Rogue for not toeing the line with the rest of the l0pht guys, Daniel Greer for openly criticizing Microsoft in a paper he published on his own time, etc.
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
-dave
Re:Hmm (Score:2)
The Greer/Geer was a typo. As far as the size, I may have been misinformed; Chris was still the CEO when I left, and I was chatting about the organizational size with one of the guys who was heading out to London. It could well have been a discussion regarding how large he -thought- the company was going to become.
Oh, and say hello to Halsey for me.
Are they hiring now? (Score:1)
Fuck (Score:1)
Godspeed, fellas...
(sorry, had to say it)
Quibble (Score:1, Interesting)
Good and bad (Score:4, Interesting)
The bad though is @Stake being bought by Smantec. That is *not* a good thing. As I said, @Stake seemed to have some itegrity and Symantec...well they have *some* integrity, but not as much as they probably should. I don't see why @Stake couldn't/shouldn't continue on it's own. I think there's a line where the decision is whether to cash in or to preserve the company, and I think they crossed it. @Stake seemed to be a somewhat unique company and it seems like that is going to be lost in this. I guess we'll see.
Re:Good and bad (Score:3, Insightful)
Whether or not they can use the actual knowledge of the people who made up that company is yet to be seen.
It has just been in my experience that often when a larger company takes over a smaller one, often management egos and power interfere with creativity and the first ones to leave are the creative genius that made the company mean something in the first place.
In my career, I have seen this happen dozens of times. It happened at two places I personally worked. When t
Re:Good and bad (Score:2, Insightful)
@stake RIP (Score:2)
Reading from the paperwork that I can discuss, the current plans indicate that @stake will cease to exist as a named entity on Oct 7, and become part of Symantec Security Services. They did not "buy the name" in the traditional sense, which is kind of odd, given their co-branding success with Norton.
Re:Good and bad (Score:3, Funny)
Integrity? Are we talking about the same @stake here? The ones with a long-standing habit of informing developers of security issues by going to the media and hoping that the developers happen to read one of the articles? That @stake?
They'll fit in perfectly at Symantec.
Conspiracy Theorists? (Score:2, Interesting)
While I never really jump into those and at the same time never really discount them, the first thing I thought when I read this was, "What an efficient way to write better viruses." I'm not pointing fingers or trying to start rumors. Just sharing a thought . . . t
google made me not feel so good about this (Score:1)
http://www.google.com/search?q=Symantec+Acquires&s ourceid=firefox&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=ut f-8 [google.com]
I wasn't happy when ghost was bought out, same with quarterdeck- looking back i'm still not happy about it.
@stake-- best of luck to you.
L0pht == long gone from @Stake (Score:1)
First the browser wars. Then the anti-virus wars? (Score:1)
On the one hand, this seems like a rehash of Microsoft incorporating IE (ay-eee!) into the OS for free, scuttling (so it seemed) Netscape. On the other hand, maybe Microsoft's anti-virus efforts will be as ham-fisted as their security efforts.
But I don't think so. I think that top-to-bottom security is a mind-bogglingly co
The Mormons have won ? (Score:2)
Okay, Ive had discussions with the @stake folks before [lotus.com], I'm glad they finally cashed out. Please note that my email is roughly the same in this discussion from back in 1998. [lotus.com] (see above). They never really had the knack for security then, who knows what they do now.
Re:Cool! (Score:2, Funny)
Now get back downstairs, we've got visitors.
Re:Cool! (Score:1)
Re:Cool! (Score:1)
Re:Cool! (Score:1)