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All Your Coffee Are Belong To Us
Posted by
kdawson
on Wed Jun 18, 2008 01:19 AM
from the pouring-over-it dept.
from the pouring-over-it dept.
Wolf nipple chips writes "Craig Wright discovered that the Jura F90 Coffee maker, with its honest-to-God Jura Internet Connection Kit, can be taken over by a remote attacker, who can cause the coffee to be weaker or stronger; change the amount of water per cup; or cause the machine to require service (call this one a DDoC). 'Best yet, the software allows a remote attacker to gain access to the Windows XP system it is running on at the level of the user.' An Internet-enabled, remote-controlled coffee-machine and XP backdoor — what more could a hacker ask for?"
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Bah! (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Bah! (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Bah! (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Bah! (Score:5, Funny)
Hmm...I don't think I've ever been to a party where coffee was an issue...??
Usually we're concerned on not running out of beer, wine or liquor...
"Hey Phil, the Tigers are about to score again, can ya toss me a nice hot latte without too much foam?? Your out? WTF? Ok...I'm outta here, lets to to the local Starbucks, where they know how to treat a sports crowd!!"
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Re:Bah! (Score:5, Informative)
You're not supposed to keep them clinically clean. As any Italian will tell you, only wash a cafitiere [wikipedia.org] with warm water - no washing up liquid or other kind of detergent. Not only will this increase the life of the rubber sealing ring, it improves the taste over time as the jug becomes coated with a coffee residue (even the Wikipedia article mentions this). As for burning the coffee, what are you using to heat the thing, a flamethrower? As the water reservoir heats, steam is passed through the ground coffee, meaning it can't burn unless you're heating the sides of the cafetiere.
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Re:Bah! (Score:4, Informative)
Then again, given my background and profession, I'd be heavily biased toward "clinically clean" even if it did throw the flavor off.
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Java? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Java? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Java? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Java? (Score:4, Funny)
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Sex? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Sex? (Score:5, Funny)
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Tea (Score:5, Funny)
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Setting the scene (Score:5, Funny)
Special Agent Wilkins: How the Hell did they get in?
Special Agent Thompson: Sir..... I... uh, think they got in through the coffee maker.
Special Agent Wilkins: The What?
Special Agent Thompson: Sir, the coffee maker that we got you for your birthday... the one that you wanted to be able to brew up a cup o joe from your office?
Special Agent Wilkins: Oh fsck me....
Re:Setting the scene (Score:5, Informative)
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What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Ah, the cleverness of the hack in question is not that they can make the coffee maker to produce coffee, no. The evil hax0rs really want the coffee.
Employee 1: "This has to be the most ridiculous work order I've ever received."
Employee 2: "What is it?"
E1: "At precisely 12:02, I'm supposed to take the cup from the coffee percolator and deliver it to this address a few blocks away."
E2: "What? Are you kidding?"
E1: "No, it's on our company letterhead. Signed by the CEO. 'Deliver this cup of coffee to our IT subcontractor. This may sound like an unusual order, but millions are at stake here.'"
E2: "Well, I wonder what those primadonnas come up with next time?"
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EVERYBODY PANIC! (Score:5, Funny)
HTCPCP (Score:5, Funny)
Re:HTCPCP (Score:5, Funny)
That is the essence of the problem.
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Not a constantly-connected device (Score:5, Informative)
So this wouldn't have much in the way of applicability unless you knew someone with this particular $2000 coffeemaker, which was already experiencing problems, who had purchased the $100+ coffeemaker diagnostic kit and had the coffeemaker plugged in, through the diagnostic kit, to their PC at the time.
Seems like there are better ways to get into Windows.
At least it was a Coffee Maker... (Score:5, Insightful)
classic example of why... (Score:5, Insightful)
That's why they call it a firewall. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:That's why they call it a firewall. (Score:4, Funny)
Are you kidding? When's the last time you saw any Itanium box?
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What's for breakfast? (Score:5, Funny)
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam...
Don't people learn (Score:5, Funny)
Coffee (Score:5, Funny)
Did you hear the ones about... (Score:5, Funny)
It makes tea then convinces you that you only ever wanted a tea.
Did you hear the one about the Apple coffee maker?
It does an amazing Mocha Frappucino with whipped cream, caramel sauce and a chocolate flake in the top but doesn't know how to make a plain black coffee.
Did you hear the one about the Linux coffee maker?
v0.1 made a good plain coffee but it took a while doing it, v1.0 makes good plain coffee but there's a patch that allows it to make better tea than the Microsoft coffee maker and v2.0 gives you a cup of plain coffee, a cup of whipped cream, a cup of caramel sauce, a chocolate flake in a wrapper and tells you to make the coffee how you want but for a much lower price than the Apple one.
Did you hear the one about the Vista coffee maker?
Nope, neither did I but then who gives a shit.
Re:Did you hear the ones about... (Score:5, Funny)
Theo De Raadt makes a perfect cup of espresso and then throws it over your shirt.
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What more could a hacker want? (Score:5, Funny)
Access to the coffee his new bot brews?
A culture of helplessness (Score:5, Insightful)
What's the bloody sense in making a thing like this - let alone owning one? It is not exactly demanding, making you own coffee: put ground coffee beans in your favourite cafetiere/filter/mysterious glass thing with a spirit burner, add water, possibly hot. Wait for the magic to unfold right before your very eyes. Pour and drink. If you want to go all out, you grind your own coffee beans.
Recently I've seen more and more of these pointless gadgets where you insert a little foil capsule into a complicated piece of equipment and out comes a mediocre cup of coffee that has cost probably 10 times as much as a good cup of hand-made coffee; and you will have left a huge, reeking carbon footprint in the process. Plus, after a while you will have convinced yourself that you could never go back to doing it the old way - in other words, you have become dependent on a silly gadget, a little bit more helpless.
I suppose that is exactly where the industry wants us: unable to cook our own food, so we have to rely on ready made crap, unable to perform even the simplest of everyday tasks, because we rely on household machinery. Why do people fall for it? We honestly don't need most of these things unless we suffer from a physical disability; and they don't actually save us any meaningful time - by which I mean time we then spend on doing things that are worth doing rather than sit down to watch tv or play computer games.
Check with the Internet Engineering Task Force (Score:5, Interesting)
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324 [ietf.org]
Re:Check with the Internet Engineering Task Force (Score:4, Funny)
I was just going to mention that RFC 2324 considered this problem way back in 1998, in section 7 "Security Considerations":
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Mornings for me... (Score:5, Funny)
Reminds me of the toaster in Red Dwarf.
My coffee machine was designed in the 1950s, and makes brilliant coffee if you put enough love in.
It could actually be dangerous... (Score:5, Funny)
2: Set it to only serve decaff.
3: Sit back and watch their productivity go through the floor.
I wonder (Score:5, Funny)
*sorry*
but of course (Score:5, Funny)
Re:hmmm (Score:5, Funny)
btw, I'm gonna have to ask you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too...
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Re:Weaken them (Score:5, Funny)
I can. I can stop caffeine any time I want to.
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Re:Weaken them (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:Weaken them (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:First post? (Score:5, Funny)
Have the RIAA sent it a DMCA takedown notice for sharing files [slashdot.org] yet?
PC LOAD COFFEE
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Re:First post? (Score:4, Funny)
If there's not a slider lever in the tray to accept Darjeeling media, I'm afraid it will never take off in the UK, dooming these machines to the same fate as A4-incompatible printers.
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Re:First post? (Score:5, Informative)
The solution I proposed there was that a coffee pot does not get a full Internet connection. Instead of the default being full access we switch to default deny. It only gets to connect to the local net at all after authentication. And it only gets access that is appropriate to its function and consistent with site policy. Obviously the typical consumer is not going to be writing security policies so this process is going to have to be automated which is where a small amount of Semantic Web technology comes in.
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Re:First post? (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, I made a horrible pun.
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Re:First post? (Score:5, Funny)
Here's some extra text to get past the caps filter.
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