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Spam Is 30 Years Old
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kdawson
on Fri Apr 25, 2008 11:32 AM
from the happy-birthday-now-die-already dept.
from the happy-birthday-now-die-already dept.
holy_calamity writes "New Scientist commemorates spam's 30th anniversary, a week from today. The first spam message — archived here — was sent to 393 users of ARPANET on May 2, 1978 by someone from computing pioneers DEC. They had to type in all the addresses by hand first."
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One Thing That's Changed (Score:5, Interesting)
In the spirit of the history of Spam, I think it also bears mentioning something I didn't see in the article: a Usenet phrase "Eternal September [wikipedia.org]" which was September of 1993. An exponential growth of spam and gullible users ensured constant income for spammers and provided the initial hit of income for people like The Spam King (I won't even dignify him with printing his name). They've been chasing the dragon ever since at the expense of the hardware and software of the internet. And to think that if the spammers had missed that initial exposure of thousands of people willing to "increase what she prefers your size XXL no one will know you use works 100%" then we might not be in the situation we are today.
Judges today should force spammers to work with law enforcement and security companies to figure out how to stop others before they even start. If not for an initial hit of funding, I doubt any spammer would continue.
Re:One Thing That's Changed (Score:4, Informative)
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Stallman --- (Score:5, Insightful)
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Re:Stallman --- (Score:5, Informative)
Kind of the like a neighborhood where just about everybody knows everybody and thus everyone is accountable for any antisocial behaviour on their part.
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Does this mean that we have RMS to thank for match.com and the like?
Stallman Wants a Date! (Score:5, Funny)
Someone should make a Richard Lolman pic, "I'm in yer ARPAnet, begging for dates." Or "Online Dating: yer doin' it wrong." Or even "I can has girlfriend?"
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It's interesting to note that he was in favor of advertising (dating sites especially!) so long as he didn't have to page through a bunch of headers to read the ad.
And in 30 years... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:And in 30 years... (Score:5, Funny)
whew, glad they took action, such mis-uses could have gotten out of hand.
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Sounds like the plot for a decent little time travel story. Guy travels thirty years back, and writes an innocuous reply to an advertisement for a DEC server. "Hey, everybody, it suddenly occurs to me that there are absolutely NO mechanisms in SMTP to authenticate sender, recipient, blah blah blah. Sure, it's not a problem now, but hey, who knows where this ARPANET thing's going to go...."
Wasted chance (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Wasted chance (Score:4, Interesting)
For reference, the people complaining about the spam on that page are her [stanford.edu], him [panda.com], and also this guy [fsfeurope.org]
I'm sure the DEC guy was quaking in his boots.
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Re:Wasted chance (Score:4, Funny)
No wonder they are looking to set up an online dating service
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The more things change, the more they stay the sam (Score:3, Insightful)
Fail! (Score:5, Funny)
So, uhm, they failed?
ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
ok i won't write in caps but it's a quote damnit.
Re:Fail! (Score:4, Interesting)
And now, for the win:
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That was vaguely disappointing... (Score:5, Funny)
Happy birthday Spam! (Score:5, Funny)
It's a shame (Score:4, Funny)
Re:It's a shame (Score:5, Funny)
Combine that with cutting off the hands of spammers, and I think you'd be onto something.
Cheers
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usenet spam - greencard lawyers (Score:3, Interesting)
Usenet hasnt fared too well lately. Soem Chinese guy piosts tens of thousands of messages a day trying to sell direct factory output. Changes the posting address in every messsage so normal filters have problems.
I think the younger crowd has long moved over to special interest groups on social netowrking sites.
Re:usenet spam - greencard lawyers (Score:5, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canter_&_Siegel [wikipedia.org]
The article has notes about their numerous ethical lapses also.
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Re:usenet spam - greencard lawyers (Score:4, Insightful)
Canter and Siegel [wikipedia.org]. I still remember firing up trn that morning, coming across the same off-topic message in group after group, and realizing that someone had used a newsgroups list in conjunction with a perl script or something to post the same advert to every USENET group in existence.
The mechanism was obvious as soon as you saw the results, but it seemed so obviously wrong and inappropriate "why would anyone *do* that!". The beginning of the end of the golden age ...
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Mr. Watson, come here, I want to sell you a DEC (Score:3, Funny)
They forgot to include a remove link though. WTF?
Re:Mr. Watson, come here, I want to sell you a DEC (Score:5, Funny)
Or, "Mr. Watson, come here, do you want a G1@nt C0ck like me, if so, buy this pill."
Or, "Mr. Watson, come here, you great uncle from Nigeria just died and you stand to inherit a fortune!"
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RMS: If we outlaw spam the terrorists have won! (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:RMS: If we outlaw spam the terrorists have won! (Score:4, Interesting)
This was written in 1978.
For some reason, I really can't get that to settle in, and as much as I hate to call RMS a "visionary", that comment might as well have been written last week...
The fact that RMS and his supporters "won" this side of the debate may very well have played a significant role in shaping the events of the past 15 years.
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Look who's 70 (Score:5, Informative)
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For those wondering, the original spam (nee Hormel spiced ham) turned 70 last year.
That explains the taste ...
I love this bit... (Score:5, Interesting)
IN ENFORCEMENT OF THIS POLICY DCA IS DEPENDENT ON THE ARPANET SPONSORS, AND HOST AND TIP LIAISONS. IT IS IMPERATIVE YOU INFORM YOUR USERS AND CONTRACTORS WHO ARE PROVIDED ARPANET ACCESS THE MEANING OF THIS POLICY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION.
MAJOR RAYMOND CZAHOR
CHIEF, ARPANET MANAGEMENT BRANCH, DCA
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Well, no, I haven't. But you made me curious, so I went and looked it up. VMS, like many OSs from that period, assumed that the user might not have access to lower case, and ignored case in things like the command line and file names. But that's also true of DOS/Windows command line and file systems.
As recently as SunOS 4.2, if capslock was on during login, getty and login assumed no access to lower case. The resulting session would be case-insensitive, and presented in uppercase. ISTR though, that real uppercase was indicated by a preceding backslash.
Poor poor lonely RMS... (Score:5, Informative)
10-MAY-78 23:20:30-PDT,2250;000000000001
Mail-from: MIT-AI rcvd at 7-MAY-78 2316-PDT
Date: 8 MAY 1978 0213-EDT
From: RMS at MIT-AI (Richard M. Stallman)
Subject: MSGGROUP# 697 Some Thoughts about advertising
To: stefferud at USC-ISI
Redistributed-To: [ISI]<MsgGroup>Mailing.List;154:
Redistributed-By: STEFFERUD (connected to MSGGROUP)
Redistributed-Date: 8 MAY 1978
---EDIT--
4) Would a dating service for people on the net be "frowned upon" by DCA? I hope not. But even if it is, don't let that stop you from notifying me via net mail if you start one.
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SPAM! (Score:5, Funny)
while echo "SPAM!"; do echo "SPAM!"; done
So for much for a SPAM filter, slashdot!
Named after a Python script (Score:3, Funny)
Wife: All right.
Man: Morning!
Waitress: Morning!
Man: Well, what've you got?
Waitress: Well, there's egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam...
Waitress:
Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!
Waitress:
Wife: Have you got anything without spam?
Waitress: Well, there's spam egg sausage and spam, that's not got much spam in it.
Wife: I don't want ANY spam!
Man: Why can't she have egg bacon spam and sausage?
Wife: THAT'S got spam in it!
Man: Hasn't got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage and spam, has it?
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam... (Crescendo through next few lines...)
Wife: Could you do the egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam then?
Waitress: Urgghh!
Wife: What do you mean 'Urgghh'? I don't like spam!
Vikings: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
Waitress: Shut up!
Vikings: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
Waitress: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can't have egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam.
Wife: I don't like spam!
Man: Sshh, dear, don't cause a fuss. I'll have your spam. I love it. I'm having spam spam spam spam spam spam spam beaked beans spam spam spam and spam!
Vikings: Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.
Man: Well could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then?
Waitress: You mean spam spam spam spam spam spam... (but it is too late and the Vikings drown her words)
Vikings: (Singing elaborately...) Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam!
Oh I forgot (Score:3, Informative)
Then of course there's Spam [uncyclopedia.org], SPAM [uncyclopedia.org], and S.P.A.M. [uncyclopedia.org].
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Nov 23, 1987 - 1st documented use (Score:5, Interesting)
See http://tinyurl.com/4jg5w4 [tinyurl.com] (the url is a tinyurl that links to a google groups posting)
And yes, I'm the one who said that back then, and no, I didn't think I was doing anything big, it just seemed, well, obvious at the time.
Paul Czarnecki Cezanne
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Popular thought is that the MUDers were using the term in 1985, but alas, google hasn't archived all those MUD logs.
Hence my careful use of the word "documented"
Maybe I should edit the wikipedia page!
And yes, I've been in correspondence with Brad Templeton, he also disputes my claim. But, I do have the google archive to back me up. If only I had been oblique in
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http://groups.google.com/group/news.admin/msg/483c12f48d13225e?output=gpl [google.com]
Slashdot should block *.tinyurl.com and that yahoo scripts place, as well as prevent AC's from posting live links.
Not much has changed (Score:3, Insightful)
Al Gore? (Score:4, Funny)
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A conversation with my children (Score:4, Funny)
A: Older than spam, kiddo.
Q: ooooooooh
Spam Is 30 Years Old (Score:3, Funny)
spam, not Spam (Score:4, Interesting)
BTW, the Hormel people never had a problem with the use of the term. In part because it was free PR, but also because they were gracious good humored about it. They went as far as to offer their own selected graphic of a spam can that could be used as a link to their pages. The idea as floated to them was to have their permission to produce a 2-link bar that said "This is Spam" [Hormel link] "and this is spam" [link to page with definition of problematic usenet and email traffic]. I can confidently state their being gracious and good natured because I was the one that suggested the links idea to them, requested the graphic of their choice, and talked with them about their reactions to use of the term. In this respect, the second of the "Cultural References" at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(Monty_Python) [wikipedia.org] is incorrect, though the History section of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spam_(electronic) [wikipedia.org] gets it right.
They later reacted a little differently when people insisted on using the capitalized name in their own software and anti-spam sites (such as Spam Arrest) and couldn't see their way clear to use the more generic, lower case term. People criticized them for doing so without bothering to consider that they were forced by trademark law to protect their mark (the capitalized word) no matter how much they disliked doing so, lest they lose trademark status. Sadly, few seem to remember that Hormel asked nicely at first that the lower case be used unless referring to their product. The assertion by Spam Arrest that "No company can claim trademark rights on a generic term" is wrong: a term when trademarked before it comes into common use (trademark status being awarded 40 years prior to this "common use") remains a trademark as long as the owner acts to (at least attempt to) prevent its use as a generic term. Such action kept "xerox" and "kleenex" from becoming an accepted generic terms for photocopying and facial tissue, while failure to do so allowed "aspirin" and "heroin" to become generic terms despite starting as brand names, both originally owned by Bayer AG. As a German company it was unable to protect the marks against generic use in the US, particularly during WW II. Although Hormel lost the court cases that resulted, they acted with a "reasonable attempt" to protect the ownership of the mark, and so didn't lose it.
BTW, TFA is not a novel article. CNET published one on its 25th anniversary in 2003. In that respect, TFA is repeated public posting of commercial (or at least commercially supported) information. TFA fits the original definition of spam. In any case, New Scientist loses points for copying the idea for the article.
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At least Jimmy Carter didn't have the audacity to make a speech about the war on spam while standing in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner after this bold email was sent.
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...wait, a 30-year-old spam just WORKED on me. Fucksocks!