DHS Terminates All Its Advisory Committees, Ending Its Investigation Into Chinese Telecom Hack (arstechnica.com) 123
An anonymous reader quotes a report from Ars Technica: The Department of Homeland Security has terminated all members of advisory committees, including one that has been investigating a major Chinese hack of large US telecom firms. "The Cyber Safety Review Board -- a Department of Homeland Security investigatory body stood up under a Biden-era cybersecurity executive order to probe major cybersecurity incidents -- has been cleared of non-government members as part of a DHS-wide push to cut costs under the Trump administration, according to three people familiar with the matter," NextGov/FCW reported yesterday.
A memo sent Monday by DHS Acting Secretary Benjamine Huffman said that in order to "eliminate[e] the misuse of resources and ensur[e] that DHS activities prioritize our national security, I am directing the termination of all current memberships on advisory committees within DHS, effective immediately. Future committee activities will be focused solely on advancing our critical mission to protect the homeland and support DHS's strategic priorities." The memo said advisory board members terminated this week "are welcome to reapply." The Cyber Safety Review Board's list of members included security experts from the private sector and lead cybersecurity officials from multiple government agencies. "The CSRB was 'less than halfway' done with its Salt Typhoon investigation, according to a now-former member," wrote freelance cybersecurity reporter Eric Geller, who quoted an anonymous source as saying the Cyber Safety Review Board's review of Salt Typhoon is "dead." The former member was also quoted as saying, "There are still professional staff for the CSRB and I hope they will continue some of the work in the interim."
The Cyber Safety Review Board operates under (PDF) the DHS's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), notes Ars. The review board previously investigated a 2023 hack of Microsoft Exchange Online and more recently has been investigating how the Chinese hacking group called Salt Typhoon infiltrated major telecom providers such as Verizon and AT&T.
A memo sent Monday by DHS Acting Secretary Benjamine Huffman said that in order to "eliminate[e] the misuse of resources and ensur[e] that DHS activities prioritize our national security, I am directing the termination of all current memberships on advisory committees within DHS, effective immediately. Future committee activities will be focused solely on advancing our critical mission to protect the homeland and support DHS's strategic priorities." The memo said advisory board members terminated this week "are welcome to reapply." The Cyber Safety Review Board's list of members included security experts from the private sector and lead cybersecurity officials from multiple government agencies. "The CSRB was 'less than halfway' done with its Salt Typhoon investigation, according to a now-former member," wrote freelance cybersecurity reporter Eric Geller, who quoted an anonymous source as saying the Cyber Safety Review Board's review of Salt Typhoon is "dead." The former member was also quoted as saying, "There are still professional staff for the CSRB and I hope they will continue some of the work in the interim."
The Cyber Safety Review Board operates under (PDF) the DHS's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA), notes Ars. The review board previously investigated a 2023 hack of Microsoft Exchange Online and more recently has been investigating how the Chinese hacking group called Salt Typhoon infiltrated major telecom providers such as Verizon and AT&T.
You voted for "tough on China" (Score:5, Insightful)
But you got meme coins and Gulf of America instead.
Can't say we didn't warn you before the election.
Don = Goof of America (Score:2)
or at least of 'Lago.
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6 dimensional chess, bitch! He has a plan! Yeah!
Re:You voted for "tough on China" (Score:5, Funny)
Nah, it's even better: he has the concept of a plan.
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In 7D!
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Couldn't even play 2D chess. Struggles with 1D chess played on a string, but as soon as he realizes he's losing, he'll just cut the string.
Re:You voted for "tough on China" (Score:5, Insightful)
Is it me or is this an invitation for the Chinese, and pretty much anyone else, to hack the US as much as they like?
Could be described as "light treason".
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Yep, pretty much. Note that the attack that got its investigation killed here has not even been really stopped so far and that it remains unclear how exactly they got in. This is about as dumb and as destructive as it gets.
But I expect the same level of "insight" to be applied in other areas in the next 4 years. If so, all that will be left pf the US in a few years will be a smoking ruin.
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Is it me or is this an invitation for the Chinese, and pretty much anyone else, to hack the US as much as they like?
Could be described as "light treason".
Now, now, that can't possibly happen. All of the devices made in China are checked 4 times over to not have remotely executable code in them to shut down, send information back to the manufacturing nation, await instruction from a remote source or local data patterns.... or anything else other than their directly documented intended purpose. Chinese hacking is nonsense and I know that's nonsense because I read an article on Facebook and Fox News repeated the same information. That proves it's true and yo
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But you got meme coins and Gulf of America instead.
Can't say we didn't warn you before the election.
I'm still trying to figure out how truthful and correct information can't get into the heads of those that are picture-and-finger-slide-washed. I have a few people I work with that are convinced there's a ship off the coast sending drones into NJ and getting angry at ME because I don't have more information. I gave them the information that the DoD expressly stated there is no ship and the drones are not a threat; it's just people fucking with the minds of those that can be fucked with because it's amusin
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But you got meme coins and Gulf of America instead.
Can't say we didn't warn you before the election.
Doesn't matter how much we warned them...
1. they won't acknowledge anything is wrong.
2. when they have no choice to abandon 1, it'll still be your fault for it happening.
3. if we just did it properly it would all work (on pixie dust and faerie farts).
They have no self awareness, take no responsibility and seem to have no shame what so ever.
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But you got meme coins and Gulf of America instead.
Can't say we didn't warn you before the election.
Democrats were stupid enough to run with Dumber after Dumb proved there ...
Thus forcing all patriotic Americans to vote for the galactically stupid orange slug and his awkward wooden puppet sidekick that wants to be a real boy ... uhh, OK ...
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They’ll save tons of money (Score:5, Insightful)
Let’s forget that these were advisory committees, meaning they were staffed by subject matter experts and high profile people in very important policy areas who probably charge a huge amount per hour, but were volunteering their time for free in order to help the government deal with thorny topics.
Think of all the money Elon and Donald saved doing this.
Re:They’ll save tons of money (Score:5, Funny)
You don't need subject matter experts when you got the bigly big brains of the Donald and the Elon. They're experts on everything!
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They certainly think they are. Extreme Dunning-Kruger cases.
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You don't need subject matter experts when you got the bigly big brains of the Donald and the Elon. They're experts on everything!
What do you mean, "they"? The Don, "HE", knows *voice trails off here* more about [insert anything here] than anyone.
He knows more about Mars than Stinky Musk. *trails off here again* He always has. He'll LET E-boy use everyone's money (except Don's) to get there first because it makes HIM, DJT, the winner because he allowed it to happen. He made it happen. It was only possible to happen because it was his idea. First. He can prove that. The enemy is.... fucking.. someone. There's an enemy. Don't
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I mean, think of the several thousand dollars per year they’ll save by cancelling all these remote MS Teams meetings.
Let’s forget that these were advisory committees, meaning they were staffed by subject matter experts and high profile people in very important policy areas who probably charge a huge amount per hour, but were volunteering their time for free in order to help the government deal with thorny topics.
Think of all the money Elon and Donald saved doing this.
You sort of caught my mind in a trap when you said they were subject matter experts. That's something for The Don to STOP before Stinky Musk even gets a chance to do anything about it. It's a game to win and the one to get there first WINS!
Fuck poor assholes and people without a home in CA. Oh, shit, wait. There are some people with lots of money that lost their homes there. Better get into the act right away because there might be some..... thing... to take control of so... that..he..can... win. Yeah.
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Do you really think that 12 public and private sector bureaucrats are going to effectively investigate hacks in an accurate and timely manner? I don't. That's a job for a team of FBI agents, not a committee.
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So, bureaucrats and corporate executives with high opinions of themselves.
I don't know about these committees in particular, but I have some experience on other government and non-government (e.g. ISO, IEEE, GP, etc.) committees, and you never find executives on them, you find experienced engineers. By and large the government "bureaucrats" aren't really bureaucrats, either, but actual experts in the relevant fields.
Do you really think that 12 public and private sector bureaucrats are going to effectively investigate hacks in an accurate and timely manner? I don't. That's a job for a team of FBI agents, not a committee.
Exactly the opposite. The FBI doesn't have the specialized skills needed. The FBI has some folks with relevant skills, but they're rarely at the same level, because
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People keep telling me that the government hires the best and the brightest
It depends on the field. When what you need is political science, international relations, etc., the government is mostly competing with universities for talent, and it often can get really good people who prefer money over academic prestige. When what you need is medical doctors, security engineers or other technical talent from high-paying industries, they have to take people who will accept half the pay (or less) than they'd get in the private sector. Some will, because they feel like they can do more go
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Outsource it? (Score:5, Funny)
What it means (Score:5, Insightful)
The Salt Typhoon attackers are admittedly still securely embedded in the telcos, have access to whatever they want, and we don't know how to get them out. The federal team investigating this to come up with a solution was sacked. What does that tell you about this incoming administration?
Re:What it means (Score:5, Insightful)
They are leaving America open to attack, so that they can use it as an excuse to give trumpy war-time powers, what else?
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They are leaving America open to attack, so that they can use it as an excuse to give trumpy war-time powers, what else?
So that's how he's going to stay in office. I see it all coming together now! /s
Re:What it means (Score:4, Insightful)
Yep, great job. Like denying a pandemic when it is already a hot one. Oh, wait, they already did that with a massive unnecessary death toll last time. Well, guess they are just looking for new ways to do massive damage and then selling that as "success".
Well, it is normal for the Republicans to sell the silverware and then the Democrats having to fix the damage. But this time they are trying to burn down the house...
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The Salt Typhoon attackers are admittedly still securely embedded in the telcos, have access to whatever they want, and we don't know how to get them out. The federal team investigating this to come up with a solution was sacked. What does that tell you about this incoming administration?
I'm sorry to actually say this without completely knowing I'm being a smartass....
"It's time to play."
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These committees are red-tape factories that serve no purpose except to waste the time of people doing actual work. They are a bad approach to management, but some people think they produce good optics. Looking like you're doing something is no substitute for results.
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>> getting in the way of the actual investigators
I smell a giant pile of bullshit. Who are these "actual investigators"?
This is a weird one (Score:3)
Re:This is a weird one (Score:5, Insightful)
I thought Trump was anti-China.
Trump is for or against whatever you pay him to be for or against ... He is 'transactional' which has become a very polite media safe word for 'obscenely corrupt'.
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I thought Trump was anti-China.
Trump is for or against whatever you pay him to be for or against ... He is 'transactional' which has become a very polite media safe word for 'obscenely corrupt'.
Rape is a transaction in Trumpland. I see what you're trying to be nice about saying there. *vomit* /s
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I thought Trump was anti-China.
Trump is for or against whatever you pay him to be for or against ... He is 'transactional' which has become a very polite media safe word for 'obscenely corrupt'.
You're not entirely correct there. Trump stands for one thing above all others, even money.
Himself.
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I thought Trump was anti-China.
Trump is for or against whatever you pay him to be for or against ... He is 'transactional' which has become a very polite media safe word for 'obscenely corrupt'.
You're not entirely correct there. Trump stands for one thing above all others, even money. Himself.
Sure, but his primary measures of benefit to himself are (a) TV ratings and (b) money.
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Trump has no clue what he is doing. Stopping an investigation into a still ongoing attack is about as dumb as it gets. The Chinese will have trouble stopping to laugh about this, it is so ridiculously abysmally stupid.
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Probably. Will make the disaster and damage he is causing significantly larger. However, how is he expecting to get out of this? Well, maybe he is not smart enough to even have that thought.
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Well, he might actually be a psychopath on that level, agreed. We know now that Musk is one.
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Well, what we can nicely see here is that a majority of the voters is not able to recognize a psychopath. Proven rapist, convicted felon, traitor that tried to prevent a legal government from taking power, unmensch, fascism apologist, deeply corrupt, all apparently not obvious enough.
And now he thinks nobody can get to him. Great. We rally have to hope some isreali killer team takes him out or something.
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I thought Trump was anti-China.
Trump is pro- or anti- one thing, and one thing only. He is pro-Trump.
Trump does not give one tenth of one fuck about this nation. He is sure that no matter what happens, he will land on a big pillowy cloud of money and white privilege.
In my not so humble opinion, Trump's presidency is a primarily Russian but also Chinese and Saudi attack on our nation. Those are the nations that bankrolled his ascendancy. "Follow the money" always works* in a capitalistic system, as the whole developed world runs under.
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Is Hawaii far enough from the US? (Score:2)
Or will Trump let China take Hawaii because he doesn't have a golf course there?
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Or will Trump let China take Hawaii because he doesn't have a golf course there?
They're not on his radar because there isn't money coming out of Hawaii to him. They refuse to let people take lava rocks off the island; it's a big deal. Wait a damn second.... lava rocks, deal, BIG deal. There's money to be made! Hawaii is officially on the radar! Now the ocean to get from the continental U.S. to the island needs to be renamed, and China needs to be diverted by a huge wall from the core of the planet, past the moon, now needing his name attached to it to mark his spot. Ideas for him
Dumb (Score:2)
Really, really dumb. Such primitive tactics to "cut cost" will turn out to be hugely expensive.
Efficient (Score:2)
Three Days.
1. Pardoned people who brought violence on the Capitol police (that's not a thumbs up to the police).
2. Pardoned a high level drug dealer (who tried to use hitmen).
3. Exiting from the WHO, again.
4. Dismantling security advisory committees.
The impacts of the immigration lockdown will take a couple of months to show, as certain industries are drained of low cost workers. I'm feeling confident they will go overkill on that as well (and then juice the legal side to the benefit of their cronies).
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Not a peep about inflation or grocery prices. They're trying to spin the Stargate AI investment as some cure for cancer. AI can't even correctly summarize a movie plot for me.
Bureaucrats don't do actual work. (Score:2)
Welcome to reapply? Not so much (Score:2)
An Executive Order issued Monday [whitehouse.gov] implemented a full hiring freeze on all Federal positions within the executive branch, except for military recruitment or positions related to public safety or national security. The positions cut within these advisory committees meet that definition.
That said, several departments are announcing broad exemptions to that hiring freeze [govexec.com]. Whether these advisory committees meet the criteria to be exempted remains, as the saying goes, a game-time decision.
Re:Cherry picking (Score:4, Informative)
which is completely true by inspection
i.e., it's made up bullshit, but it feels true. Truthiness is still here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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Did you hear what was going on with the number of elephants in Africa?
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Did you hear what was going on with the number of elephants in Africa?
That they're being prepared to be the animals launched on the first Mars "test" missions for living travel? /s
Re:Cherry picking (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, please. CSRB is not the only committee affected, here's a list of more:
Artificial Intelligence Safety and Security Board
Critical Infrastructure Partnership Advisory Council
National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee
National Infrastructure Advisory Council
USSS Cyber Investigations Advisory Board
Basically, the move isn't unexpected - China has your new leader by the balls, because most of his production capacity is in China, and if the choice is between your interests and that of your leader, you know what he'll choose.
He'll dump Texas and the US just as he dumped California.
But please go on with the "illegal immigrant" excuses line.
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Oh, please. CSRB is not the only committee affected, here's a list of more:
Artificial Intelligence Safety and Security Board
Critical Infrastructure Partnership Advisory Council
National Security Telecommunications Advisory Committee
National Infrastructure Advisory Council
USSS Cyber Investigations Advisory Board
Basically, the move isn't unexpected - China has your new leader by the balls, because most of his production capacity is in China, and if the choice is between your interests and that of your leader, you know what he'll choose.
He'll dump Texas and the US just as he dumped California.
But please go on with the "illegal immigrant" excuses line.
New Leader? You mean Musk? ... or Trump? Because most of Trump's cheesy MAGA merchandise comes from China but he'd probably just source it from Bangladesh or India if the Chinese cut him off. Musk, however, only relies on the Gigafactory in Shanghai for 40% of Tesla production. Musk relies far more on China for batteries but he'd still probably not be in a much bigger mess than VW is right now if the Chinese shut down Musk's China operations because, unlike VW, Musk now has unlimited access to the US taxpay
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New Leader? You mean Musk? ... or Trump?
Kinda hard to tell them apart these days, but yes, him.
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New Leader? You mean Musk? ... or Trump?
Kinda hard to tell them apart these days, but yes, him.
Oh, that one. Well, shit. If only the other would be in control... SIGH, oh SIGH. /s
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Re:Cherry picking (Score:5, Insightful)
Here's one more "cherry-picked" victim of the executive orders: NIH research.
https://bsky.app/profile/monsc... [bsky.app]
But don't worry, the bleach injections still available.
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This isn't about China.
What it's about is these committees also investigate Russia's various activities. And one thing Trump wants to stop is any investigation of Russian shenanigans because, you know, "Russia hoax".
That's why the big hammer on so many committees.
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Quite possible. Also possible is trump is just as lazy as he was with the Jan 6 criminals - his own party wanted to pardon only the more "tractable" of the lot, but the donold apparently could not be bothered.
Overall, the worst possible combination - greedy, lazy and stupid.
Re:Cherry picking (Score:4, Insightful)
The truth derangement syndrome is strong among the MAGAts.
Re:Cherry picking (Score:5, Informative)
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Congress allowed this to go through
Even that is too passive voice.
Congress didn't allow this to go through, they MADE IT HAPPEN.
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Are you familiar with the saying about babies and bath water?
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how about the one about stripping something down and building it back up again? doesn't mean you lose the good parts. you put the working good parts back in with other good ones after taking the crap out.
That said... "I hope...."
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Yeah, we saw that with the previous incarnation of republicans in Iraq. They stripped it down to nothing and rebuilt it into ISIS.
That was a good job, and this promises to be even better.
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how about the one about stripping something down and building it back up again? doesn't mean you lose the good parts. you put the working good parts back in with other good ones after taking the crap out.
That said... "I hope...."
I don't know the most in the whole wide world about it (SHUT UP and take the distraction!) but I believe when you strip something down (these days, anyway) that ultimately you end up with good parts and bad parts. Subsequently you break the good parts when you rebuild because they don't quite match with the new parts.
Just sayin'.
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That may be how you put together Ikea furniture, but generally when people could die if you tear everything down you try to find a way not to tear everything down all at once.
How about making them tear it down themselves because it's the best idea ever, says flashy media?
Re:Cherry picking (Score:5, Insightful)
You seem to be admitting that the DOGEbags are using a sledge hammer when tweezers are warranted.
So yes, they should be cherry-picking instead of burning the entire grove.
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No idea what the fuck you're talking about. Stopping investigations into everything until you can install loyalists in every position is in the first chapter of the Fascist handbook. That way, the "investigations" come to the "correct" conclusions.
If he weren't planning on doing that, why did he stop ALL investigations, instead of a rational approach that would make the slightest bit of sense? It's not even slightly reasonable to say all had the same importance and none were time sensitive. It's either he's
please explain (Score:2)
1, You assert that "....until you can install loyalists in every position is in the first chapter of the Fascist handbook" as part of a typical progressive rant pretending to paint the GOP as fascist... but did you make the same complaint when Biden essentially did the same thing but by other means? Biden added over a MILLION federal workers, and he was NOT hiring conservative GOP folks from "fly over country".
2. You assert that "Current federal employees are a mix of Republican and Democrat appointees and
Re: Cherry picking (Score:2)
Re: Cherry picking (Score:5, Informative)
Nonsense, el Bunko's agenda can be described as the Green New Deal:
Show him the green you will put in his pocket, and you get to design the deal you want from him.
He believes in nothing except his own wealth so you won't be burdened by "regulation" as you design your deal. Best put a few phrases praising Dear Leader, works like a charm.
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Nonsense, el Bunko's agenda can be described as the Green New Deal:
Show him the green you will put in his pocket, and you get to design the deal you want from him.
He believes in nothing except his own wealth so you won't be burdened by "regulation" as you design your deal. Best put a few phrases praising Dear Leader, works like a charm.
Now we need to know (I don't have enough to do the testing, but I'm sure someone does). How low can the payment be to get his attention and hold it for more than 6 seconds? I mean, do you have to start at a cool Mil, or can you do $10K, or does $500 even work?
I'm really curious. Casinos count to the penny but he was completely clueless in that, so no good data to work off of. Someone has to have some throw-away cash to test the limit, right?
Re: Cherry picking (Score:2)
I think you actually make a really good point. If change is warranted, then why donâ(TM)t we play the game a little bit?
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then why don't we play the game a little bit?
Because of the absolute number one written-in-stone rule of "the game" is "The House always wins."
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Judging from the inauguration, it takes about $1 million. If you have Billions and are willing to sink some of it into his grifting schemes (his ShitCoin, his "social" network thingie, etc.), then you can get an entire cabinet department. I do not know what it takes to swing the kneazle in those grifts, but whatever they are sinking in seems to work quite well.
Actually, in his "real estate business", the one he was caught cooking the books in New York for, he had a reputation of watching every penny. He's n
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Judging from the inauguration, it takes about $1 million. If you have Billions and are willing to sink some of it into his grifting schemes (his ShitCoin, his "social" network thingie, etc.), then you can get an entire cabinet department. I do not know what it takes to swing the kneazle in those grifts, but whatever they are sinking in seems to work quite well.
Actually, in his "real estate business", the one he was caught cooking the books in New York for, he had a reputation of watching every penny. He's not particularly bright.
Oh, my. That almost sounds like a "he worked his little head to the max, tried and tried, but just couldn't fuck people over and bend the rules like his father did."
If he'd just taken the wealth he weaseled out of his old man and stuck it in the stock market in a mutual fund, then he'd have come out better than all his wheeling and dealing.
Ah, no kidding. And followed the rules of law... and *gasp* waited patiently for a major kick-back... Instead it had to be a "need to see results now; don't see, isn't happening." That appears to be to be a loss of confidence.
In his blackened heart, he's a gambler and always looking for a bigly score, even better if he can screw someone else out of their money.
That got him a show (before 'screen time numbers') quickly of what his options were, and what actions lead to what ga
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That is the typical populist approach. And that is why these people can get votes and do massive damage. No other skills.
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Learn to say ni hao, fucker. You get what you vote for.
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lol- you're a liar. This shit is so debunked.
Learn to say ni hao, fucker. You get what you vote for.
I don't think a language change is really necessary for him. Now, a currency change.... that can pass muster, eh?
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Digital currency in complete control of the government, so they can shut off your funds with a button press.
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You are trying to defend an exceptionally dumb move. Good job, makes you look exceptionally dumb as well!
In particular, any sane move would have excluded these committees. That it did not is simply insane.
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I'm sure the poll that has "rampant illegally immigration" as an option is completely legit.
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And the only way to accomplish that was to slam the brakes on absolutely everything, rather than taking a list of advisory committees and what they're working on and deal with each one individually?
National security is being compromised by their hamfisted approach. This is at best sheer incompetence.
Do not justify being incompetent at their jobs because "border!!!" - it makes you sound incompetent too.
Re:Not as dumb as it sounds (Score:5, Insightful)
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That is a complete bullshit claim for the case at hand. Maybe actually read the last report they produced?
These are public, you know:
https://www.cisa.gov/sites/def... [cisa.gov]
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These structures are the reason that the government is a bureaucratic mess. They are not beneficial; they are wasteful overhead.
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You are an uninformed and insightless idiot. Without the people responsible for the report being created, the report will not be created, regardless on how much they work on it themselves. And terminating an investigation into what has rightfully been called the worst hack of US infrastructure, ever, in the middle of the investigation (!) and while the attack is still ongoing (!) and while nobody knows how exactly the attackers got in (!) is so stupid that no even more stupid action seems possible. Might as
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Now talk about the billions sent to Israel monthly.
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end of rant
Somehow I doubt that. I'm normally not a fan of just hand waving-away someone's comment, but when it's a stream of verbal diarrhea like that sometimes you just don't want to risk getting any on you. Go back to Reddit with your nonsense.