Microsoft Will Not Support Office on Windows 10 After October 14 (microsoft.com) 102
Microsoft will stop supporting its Microsoft 365 (formerly known as Office 365) desktop applications on Windows 10 after October 14, the day the company is retiring the old operating system, it said.
What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:3)
Does it mean that they won't handle support tickets or that the products will actually just block you completely? Does it cover the local programs and/or the web interface?
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No updates, no support tickets
You can still use the operating system
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Microsoft 365 Apps won't run on Win 10 after October 14, 2025 - this announcement has nothing to do with the retail Microsoft Office Suite...
Re:What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:4, Funny)
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So companies will to pay for subscriptions for the cloud based Office 365 will find that their applications will not work one day because Microsoft deemed it so. That seems it will prompt companies to stop using Office 365 as a consequence.
Best joke I have heard all week. Thanks for that.
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Considering that on Oct 15, many people will find that they cannot access any of their work that is not backed up anywhere but Microsoft's cloud and the only solution is "Buy a new computer", yes some people will look for alternatives.
I am writing this on my Linux Laptop, and I can't stand Microsoft. But I know that the vast majority of people will just buy a new computer.
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So companies will to pay for subscriptions for the cloud based Office 365 will find that their applications will not work one day because Microsoft deemed it so. That seems it will prompt companies to stop using Office 365 as a consequence.
Probably - and the faithful will grumble, then go right back to using whatever Microsoft says they will use, and accept whatever abuse Microsoft tells them they will accept.
The day rapidly approaches when Windows becomes a subscription model for everyone, And the faithful will obey.
Re: What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:4, Funny)
The applications will still open, but, for example, when opening Excel you get a screenshot of a spreadsheet, and the only way to edit the cells is to open it in Paint.
As for Access, all your queries are answered by an AI that gives you answers to "what you should have asked".
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Re: What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:3)
The above blog post is misleading. The apps will continue to open on Win10 but could run into issues over time:
https://www.theverge.com/2025/... [theverge.com]
Re: What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:3)
After this, I wouldn't be very surprised if Microsoft accounts stopped working for Windows 10 on this fateful day.
Re:What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:4, Informative)
There is also no statement here that they will "not run". They statement is "they will not get support".
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Given Microsoft's history of actually responding to support tickets (I've had extreme bad luck with them, sometimes waiting *YEARS* for an answer) this changes things how?
Re:What does it mean "stop supporting"? (Score:4, Interesting)
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Indeed.
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Does it mean that they won't handle support tickets or that the products will actually just block you completely? Does it cover the local programs and/or the web interface?
I'm sure M365 desktop apps will continue to run. This is about support. Given that Microsoft will be selling a couple years of OS updates for Win10, it's very difficult to imagine them saying "thanks for that money, but no, you can't use the most common software on that newly updated WIn10."
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They will just not provide that fake "help" anymore they did not really provide before.
Nothing to see here. It will still get all updates. And unless Win10 numbers drop dramatically, they will not dare to brick Office on Win10.
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One of the things the article overlooks is that while the standalone Office 2016 or 2019 are also reaching end of support but will still work,, Microsoft's website says that for these products "most online help content will be retired".
Just to be dicks, I guess.
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It means you can use LibreOffice, or any of the others.
Microsoft lost another long time customer (Score:4, Interesting)
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and from Office to Thunderbird
I didn't know Thunderbird could do word processing, spreadsheets and presentations!
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I find Evolution is a better email/calendar program on Linux Mint.
PRoblem is, outlook/exchange has advanced calendaring options that the Linux ecosystem has yet to either replicate or interact with. In group settings, if soem people are using exchange/Outlook, even if Linux users could interact on a basic fashion with exachange, they would be at a disadvantage....
the email part is the easy part, the calendaring is what keeps people hooked.
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I find Evolution is a better email/calendar program on Linux Mint.
PRoblem is, outlook/exchange has advanced calendaring options that the Linux ecosystem has yet to either replicate or interact with. In group settings, if soem people are using exchange/Outlook, even if Linux users could interact on a basic fashion with exachange, they would be at a disadvantage....
the email part is the easy part, the calendaring is what keeps people hooked.
The person I was replying too says they are using Google, and Evolution works better with Google email/calendar than Outlook does.
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It is the converse of Zawinski's law: Every mail-reading program attempts to expand until it includes all other software functions. Those that do not attempt to expand are replaced by those that do.
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and from Office to Thunderbird
I didn't know Thunderbird could do word processing, spreadsheets and presentations!
Probably as well as the Microsoft apps run them.
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Yea, I don't think that happened.
All you had to do was simply reactivate it, and it would have worked.
Same has happened with my Win7 and Win8.1 licenses.
Instead I switched from Windows 10 to Mint Linux
Because of an Office licensing issue, you switched an entire OS from something superior to a hodgepodge of a UI put together by developers who act like teens with constant in-fighting? The biggest problem with Linux ever since creation is that despite a lot of talent, there's constant in-fighting over trivial stuff, until each dev breaks away to develop yet
Libre Office (Score:4, Insightful)
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Libreoffice is a complete, free, open source office suite that will probably fill your Office needs just fine.
Unless of course you need a note taking program (Onenote) or some other program that Libreoffice doesn't offer. Yes, there are other note taking apps out there, but I've never found one better than Onenote. It's probably the 1 good program that MS has written, as opposed to being acquired.
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I have never quite understood people who need a dedicated Note taking software. I much prefer any plain text file editor.
I do somewhat understand using OneNote as a collaboration software to keep track of meeting notes and project plans. I don't think it's better than a well organized shared folder, but apparently some managers don't understand folder hierarchies. Unfortunately OneNote get's used for so many things beyond what it should. It's no longer just spreadsheets for things that should be databases.
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I already use it in all cases where I can. That means, for example, all lectures I do alone and one that is shared with 5 other lecturers. Far better UI, far less hassle and runs perfectly fine on Linux as well. MS office is a dinosaur artificially kept alive and slowly decomposing.
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"Libreoffice is a piece of shit,"
Beg to differ. It may not be perfect, I'll admit that, but Libre Office does what I need to do. Decent spreadsheet, word processor. Don't do much powerpoint, but I can believe that's not perfect.
Still, Libre Office is an alternative to Microsoft's lock-in, and that's why I use it.
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"Libreoffice is a piece of shit,"
Beg to differ. It may not be perfect, I'll admit that, but Libre Office does what I need to do. Decent spreadsheet, word processor. Don't do much powerpoint, but I can believe that's not perfect.
Still, Libre Office is an alternative to Microsoft's lock-in, and that's why I use it.
Ever wonder what the solution to complete compatibility between Windows, Mac and Linux is?
It isn't Windows office, whic has compatibility issues between Windows and MacOS, and isn't available at all for Linux. So if a non-Windows suckup actually took the time to get their nose out of Nadella's ass, they'd understand where the shit smell comes from.
Re:Libre Office (Score:5, Informative)
Wordpad? Sorry no. I use LibreOffice quite regularly and it's very good, especially writer. That said, I don't use Calc much these days; all our sheets are on Google Sheets now. But as far as a word processor goes, LO is very good. Doesn't sound like you've used it yourself. Especially if you're making the ludicrous claim that Wordpad is better.
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> Libreoffice is a piece of shit
No, it isn't. I use it every day. It's sufficient for what I need.
Re:Libre Office (Score:4, Insightful)
It's fine for everybody not working in the the Russell 2000.
That's a huge number.
Corporate drones rely on Office-specific features and must suffer its consequences.
"I will move this image one pixel to the right and it won't destroy the entire document's formatting."
The other problem is government mandating Office use for filings. That's as significant as making only dollars good for the payment of taxes. Where my antifascists at?
P.S. Microsoft just got a patent on embedding python in Excel which Calc has had since 2006.
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It's fine for everybody not working in the the Russell 2000.
That's a huge number.
Corporate drones rely on Office-specific features and must suffer its consequences.
"I will move this image one pixel to the right and it won't destroy the entire document's formatting."
The other problem is government mandating Office use for filings. That's as significant as making only dollars good for the payment of taxes. Where my antifascists at?
P.S. Microsoft just got a patent on embedding python in Excel which Calc has had since 2006.
I love how the flex is now "We haz no choice! We muzzt use Winderz!
I don't feel much sympathy for the faithful.
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Bullshit, I've even drafted properly formatted proposals for Horizon Europe on Libre Office.
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I know it's not Free, but I use Google apps.
If I need a word processor that does more than that, I'll use something more designed for page layout.
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i've used libre office "commingling" with ms office drones quite a bit. most problems when opening ms office documents were caused by abuse of formatting and chaotic styling, usually by people without a clue about how to properly structure documents and lay out information to begin with. a minor annoyance if not a source of amusement, hardly ever a blocker.
still, documents and spreadsheets aren't really rocket science. if you wanna pay a hefty subscription and be forced to "upgrade" at any moment to have a
Microsoft to customers: BUY A NEW MACHINE! (Score:5, Insightful)
Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer, dammit! BUY A NEW COMPUTER, YOU CHEAP BASTARDS!
We've really let the corporations control so many aspects of our lives already, I'm surprised we haven't made it a legal requirement to replace all computers every two years. Maybe, with the government finally starting to acknowledge security in the digital age, that will be their solution? Not actual security, just making sure you have to buy a new machine on a set timetable.
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People won't buy new computers once the tariffs start.
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I thought the days of Wintel have long gone... But then I've been running only Linux since 2001 or thereabouts, so I may be out of touch.
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Why would you build a top tier gaming PC on top of a system that doesn't support top tier hardware's features, or when it does support them it doesn't do it properly?
There are many things for which win10 is more than sufficient (heck, win7 is more than sufficient), but gaming on a top tier gaming machine is one of the very few exceptions.
P.S. Steam OS is for handhelds. It has no support for top tier hardware features like juggling processes among several different capability AMD CPU CCDs.
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It's not even about not wanting to buy new computers. I just built a top of the line gaming PC last year but put Win10 LTSC on it because I hate all the changes in 11. I have no intention of ever moving that system off Win10. I use Mac and Linux for my daily systems at home, Windows is relegated to just a gaming OS. The day SteamOS can reach parity for everything I play I'll be moving my system to that.
I'm sadly stuck with Windows for my DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) system for a while. I used to use :Macs but got tired of having them crippled a couple years after purchase by the updates. And Linux support for iLok + instrument and mixing plugins is pretty shit at the moment. Everything else is on Linux for me, but that's one niche I can't seem to find a workaround for. But if they keep fucking up their own base OS, I may just switch back to Mac for that particular use-case, get it set up, and just keep
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Microsoft wants you to buy a new computer, dammit! BUY A NEW COMPUTER, YOU CHEAP BASTARDS!
I did as they commanded. Unfortunately, it is my new Mac Mini M4.
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Apple is the same, so is IBM. I guess everybody wants their customer base locked in.
50 years ago, IBM, DEC, HP, and others tried to lock you into their system.
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> Re:Microsoft to customers: BUY A NEW MACHINE!
Of course, else the OEMs would have no incentive to bundle MS products.
MS forcing e-waste is a way to keep the OEM's shipping hardware. When MS Teams was mandated at $job-1 most of the laptops were thrown in a pile as they didn't have enough RAMs and CPUs to run Teams. Such epic waste.
Link doesn't say that (Score:2)
The link doesn't even contain the word "Office". It's about a free upgrade to Windows 11 still being available.
I clicked on it because I'm curious to know what "support" means in this context. "Will not provide support for" is not the same thing as "Will intentionally cripple it so it doesn't run."
(Of course, I assume Web Office will be available regardless.)
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Yeah, the headline is a bit misleading. But it's also more significant than most people realize, because most of them will be using the Microsoft 365 builds of Office even if they aren't a MS365 subscriber.
Lastly, Microsoft 365 Apps will no longer be supported after October 14, 2025, on Windows 10 devices
Notably here, unless you explicitly buy the LTSC versions of Microsoft Office, the regular reta
Re: Link doesn't say that (Score:2, Flamebait)
It's good you brought up ltsc, because ltsc Windows 10 is also not ending on that day. So is Microsoft also abandoning their corporate customers? Doubt it.
People who chose Microsoft on purpose have provably all been making an idiotic choice for years, but this is beyond.
Re: Link doesn't say that (Score:4, Interesting)
It's good you brought up ltsc, because ltsc Windows 10 is also not ending on that day. So is Microsoft also abandoning their corporate customers? Doubt it.
While Windows 10 LTSC is not ending that day will Microsoft 365 customers on Windows 10 LTSC still access to their spreadsheets and documents? One of the main selling points of cloud based apps is less dependence on local hardware and software. This requirement enforces a strict reliance on specific software that is not rooted in technical limitations. It would be one thing if Microsoft 365 does not run on Internet Explorer on Windows 95, it is another for it to stop working on an OS that it worked on the day before.
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Keep in mind that Windows LTSC is a wholly different beast. It's meant to go on isolated, task specific devices. Think CNC mills, MRI machines, POS terminals, and the like. Places where you'll never (or almost never) update the software, and are equally unlikely to ever install anything new. In other words, systems just one step beyond frozen, but will still need security updates because they
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It's not just LTSC. You can buy support for win10 past the ending of free support. What is ending is free support.
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(Of course, I assume Web Office will be available regardless.)
Maybe, but how long will the various browsers continue to support Windows 10? And why should Google and Firefox support Windows 10 if MS isn't even doing so? I'm not making any predictions, but I think it'll be interesting to see how this plays out. If MS feels it is losing too much market share, on Office or OS or browser, because of this, they could easily renew support for one or more of those components, but will they?
Re: Link doesn't say that (Score:2)
I can still browse the web decently on Windows XP.
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I can still browse the web decently on Windows XP.
Curious... what browser(s)? And does it work well with Office 365?
AFAIK, you can not get a current version of IE, Edge, Chrome, nor Firefox for Windows XP. I did a quick search and ran into this: https://www.reddit.com/r/windo... [reddit.com] ... which recommends:
* K-Meleon
* Roytam's New Moon 28
* Serpent 55
* Mypal 68
* 360 Extreme Explorer
None of those are listed as supported browsers for office 365. Maybe they'll work, maybe it'll just need a user-agent string update, but they're not supported.
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(Of course, I assume Web Office will be available regardless.)
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Win10 Extended Support Customers? (Score:2)
How exactly is that supposed to work with customers that opt to purchase extended support for Windows 10?
Microsoft has been very (surprisingly?) successful at selling O365 to traditional customers who would have previously purchased one-off (perpetual) versions of Office. So there has to be a significant overlap of customers who intend to stay on Windows 10 at least another year, but are also using O365. They're going to need some kind of supported solution for Office.
Re: Win10 Extended Support Customers? (Score:1)
Windows is the garbageware, and so is office. Even the real Windows application version is absolute trash. I use all of the core apps frequently and they all piss me off all day with their general shittiness.
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Windows is the garbageware, and so is office. Even the real Windows application version is absolute trash. I use all of the core apps frequently and they all piss me off all day with their general shittiness.
Hell, my wife is WFH three days a week, and HER experiences with Windows and Office piss me off. If I was forced to use that steaming pile of shit on a daily basis I'd off myself.
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Same way as everyone else. You're buying paid update subscription, not software compatibility.
Surely this does not apply to Enterprise, right? (Score:2)
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Wow, msmash mangled the story - again! (Score:2)
From the link in TFS:
Lastly, Microsoft 365 Apps will no longer be supported after October 14, 2025, on Windows 10 devices. To use Microsoft 365 Applications on your device, you will need to upgrade to Windows 11.
Got that, the web-based Office 365 applications won't run on Windows 10 devices after October 14, 2025 - "Microsoft Office" is the stand-alone retail office suite, "Microsoft 365 Apps" are subscription-based web applications - they are not the same thing.
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You would think so. At at one time that was the case. But it's not the case any longer.
Unless you explicitly use the LTSC versions of Microsoft Office, the regular retail (perpetual) version of Office is basically just a one-time license for the MS365 version. Which itself is a modern-style "rolling" release with MS constantly adding features and otherwise im
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They are not saying it will not run. They are saying it is an untested configuration. Given the close similarity between Win10 and Win11 _and_ enterprise support for Win10 being there for another 3 years, of course it actually _is_ a tested configuration.
They are just lying to scare people. MS assholes.
They don't support it now, on anything.... (Score:3)
1. No Competence.
2. No Qualification.
3. No Technical Ability or Understanding.
4. Literary, and basic language comprehensive skills are non-existent.
5. Specialization is non-existent.
6. Platform understanding yep, non-existent.
You're better off asking a retarded monkey for help, because at least then you might get shit thrown at you, which is actually more than Microsoft customer service will give you (although maybe not better). I've had several issues with M365, including licensing problems, which were ALL Microsoft's fault, and I have never, not once, even accidentally, gotten useful or constructive help. Even trying to get the help, was terrible. I sent them videos of the issues being caused, with backing audio tracks, and they kept repeating. “We have to call you to understand the issue.”, WHY? Are you telling me you're so functionally fucking retarded you can't watch the video and understand the issue? What would calling me do to help the understanding? Would it help to touch base? No, because I wouldn't be able to understand the person, whose basic English literacy was maybe, and I'm being kind, grade 2. That was one of the more competent personal, most couldn't pass a kindergarten level literacy test in English.
Have you tried filing tickets? It's literally impossible, they've intentionally the made the process so cumbersome, that you'll give up. You can file the ticket, but if you don't get the 9 levels of sub-category exactly right, they'll throw it out.
Before I get rude, they don't support it now, on anything, so who cares if Windows 10 losses support. They're plenty of excellent, top shelf, office platforms, so just use one of them.
Inverse Digital Research? (Score:3)
"Windows ain't done until Office won't run"
I mean... foot, meet gun.
Pushing toward Linux (Score:5, Interesting)
So, I've watched Linux get better and better over the years - it's been my preferred server OS for ages... but desktop distros never were anything more than an occasional "let me try this one out on this older box I have lying around"
I'm not in love with win 11 but if you use OpenShell and maybe StartAllBack or one of the other shell fixes - it can be tamed into usability... and for stuff I have to do on windows, it's fine..
but I have a couple of VERY serviceable but not able upgrade to 11 pcs that I'm going to have to either risk not getting updates or say screw it and install Linux...
I know that Chrome refuses to run on end of life OSes (pushing folks to FireFox) and if MS office refuses, Libre Office is really very good as an option (with Thunderbird for email) so yeah... I really wonder if they're banking on folks being that willing to just replace perfectly viable PCs
Its going to lead to so much unnecessary E-waste..
I wonder if there won't be a glut of decent spec slightly older machines suddenly showing up in thrift stores and other places
MS is really tripling down here..
Workarounds exist: (Score:3)
Have you looked into methods to bypass the bullshit?
Example:
https://www.xda-developers.com... [xda-developers.com]
You can install W11 to a VM on a Linux (or Windows or whatever) host if that suits your use case. Windows versions which run in VM are a corporate necessity so that door won't be locked.
"how do i install windows 11 on unsupported hardware reddit"
yields many useful results.
Web O365 works and is cheap (Score:4, Interesting)
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Obviously.
Can you even get "app only, no web" o365 as a subscription? My IT audit employer (side job) has the cheapest o365 subscription available here and it comes with both "app" and web versions.
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you own nothing (Score:2)
You own nothing. Just be happy MS isn't releasing Oxygen 11.0.
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Rent To Never-own (Score:3)
There's times I feel lucky. This is one of them. I have an old, legal, fully-paid-for edition of Microsoft Office. I don't have to worry that if I fail to send them a monthly bribe, I could lose access to all my files. I don't have to worry that they might eff up and decide to screw me over for no reason at all.
(Microsoft eff up? Who could imagine!)
Best of all, I'm in a position where if a client wants me to have the latest Teams upgrade, I will tell that client to f^ck off. I'm at a point in my career where I don't have to take a lot of crap from anybody. When I finally retire, my one Win 10 machine will turn Linux, and I will be fully done with Microsoft for ever and ever, and will be a happy, happy Penguin.
ESU = SooL ... But there are a few options (Score:4, Informative)
From what I could garner reading the support lifecycles, there is no way you get support for Microsoft(nee Office) 365 on Win10 past Oct 2025, not even on LTSC or IoT versions. But there are a few options:
0.) Do a supported Upgrade to Win11, if your hardware allows. (see also point # 4)
1.) Move from Microsoft(nee Office) 365 to Windows 365. That way, you get a Win11 instance in the cloud with all the goodies, AND, since the machine you use to access your Win11 cloud instance is Win10, you get 3 years of ESU thrown in (so, your "Thin Terminal" is secure). That way, you can use whatever is still supported on Win10 (say, steam) on Win10, and do the non supported stuff on your cloudy machine. There is a price differential.
2.) Go to WinServer22 and have your Microsoft(nee Office) 365 stuff supported until 2029 (and the OS itself until 2033). This is legal, and thanks to online key sellers, is reletively cheap.
3.) Move to Office 2021, support ends latter (but I do not remember exactly when, and with which versions of Win10). This is expensive, perhaps the online key vendors can help again.
4.) Upgrade your machine with free Firmware (for the fTPM/PTT) and used parts (say, a 7th gen intel or AMD Zen2) to resemble as much as possible a machine supported by Win11 and do an upgrade to that.
5.) Run a Win11 instance in a SECURE OS (be it Linux, BSD, Win10 ESU, Win10LTSC 2019, Win10 IoT 2021 or WinServer 2022, or Baremetal) and run your Microsoft(nee Office) 365 there. Be carefull as some SW does not like to be run on a VM (certain games in particular). Run the Win10 stuff in native Win10 and the non supported stuff on virtual Win11.
Finally, be this a reminder that, even with ESU supported until 2028, Win10 LTSC 2019 supported until 2030, IoT 2021 supported until 2032, and Server 2022 supported until 2033, Win10 support is just as good as the support your software vendors want to give to the software you want to run. Meaning that if Steam, Epic, GoG, Adobe, et al decide to stop supporting Win10 after a certain dealine, you will have a fully supported Win10 instance that will not be able to run the SW you want in a secure and stable manner (because the SW itself will be unsupported).
Start planning now, you/we only have 10 months.
Seek knowledge on the high seas. (Score:2)
Safe ways exist to obtain then activate known good Office and Windows versions and discussing those breaks no US law.
One of the first things new computer users used to learn was how to pir8. OS and soft (information wants to be free but sometimes requires a nudge). As older OS and software are abandoned workarounds are the natural response. While USians are wealthy the rest of the world is often too poor to care about US corporate desires (especially when their last visit from Uncle Sam was a drone strike)
The US government is going to step in (Score:2)
I'm more convinced than ever before that the US government is going to step in to force Microsoft to support Windows 10 and the Microsoft applications that run on it.
Too much e-waste and the associated financial burden of hardware replacement will be forced on everyone once October 14 comes around.
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Maybe. The question is whether Nadella has crawled deep enough into the rectum of the orange felon and of Musk. No idea whether he has.
IMO: MS is for big corporations and governments (Score:1)
Small businesses, and individuals, really don't need anything from MS. Unless those small businesses, and individuals are dealing with big corporations and governments - and maybe not even then.
I guess there are some exceptions. But there is virtually nothing that cannot be done with F/OSS or SaaS.
the pending upgrade to MS Office365 (Score:2)
Their next iteration (Office365 and counting is being withheld in the meantime.
Shitty product with no support? Come buy more! (Score:2)
When you don't support your shitty product, and then you don't support your other shitty product on the first shitty product.
WHY ON EARTH would anyone go buy your new shitty product???
This isn't about LibreOffice but rather that crappy windows and crappy office and crappy windows 11 are all unsupportable crap.
WHY DO PEOPLE KEEP BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS???
Switch to Linux or Chromebook or MacOS and dump Microsoft.
Goodbye MS? (Score:3)
Our company moved to Google Workspace two years ago and its been great. Most of our staff still have and use Office 365 subscriptions which the company pays for but if Microsoft drops support for Office 365 on Windows 10 systems, then I can see where all of our staff will simply move over to Google Docs and Sheets instead of Word and Excel. I think MS will really be shooting itself in the foot with this because Windows 11 is unpopular.