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Microsoft Pulls the Plug on WordPad (theregister.com) 58

Microsoft has begun ditching WordPad from Windows and removed the editor from the first Canary Channel build of 2024. From a report: We knew it was coming, but the reality has arrived in the Canary Channel. A clean install will omit WordPad as of build 26020 of Windows 11. At an undisclosed point, the application will be removed on upgrade.

The People app is also being axed, as expected, and the Steps Recorder won't be getting any more updates and will instead show a banner encouraging users to try something else. Perhaps ClipChamp? WordPad was always an odd tool. Certainly not something one would want to edit text with, but not much of a word processor either. It feels like a throwback to a previous era. However, it was also free, came with Windows, and didn't insist on having a connection to the internet for it to work.

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Microsoft Pulls the Plug on WordPad

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  • OLE/ActiveX (Score:5, Informative)

    by Dwedit ( 232252 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @04:38PM (#64135069) Homepage

    WordPad is the one program that ships with Windows that still lets you do "Insert Object" just like it's Windows 3.1 again, and you can import any OLE/ActiveX-compatible object into your document. It's also the program that exposes a GUI for the standard RichEdit control that's available for all Win32 programs.

    By taking this out, you're left with no way to import OLE objects in a stock installation of Windows anymore. LibreOffice Writer will still let you add OLE/ActiveX objects to your documents though.

    Maybe Microsoft really doesn't want you to be using OLE/ActiveX for anything anymore on your own PC, no matter if you've installed older software which still supports it.

    • Re:OLE/ActiveX (Score:4, Informative)

      by laughingskeptic ( 1004414 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:03PM (#64135103)
      Sometime during 2014 when Microsoft was just starting to hype .NET one of the stated goals was the end of OLE/ActiveX. Some idealistic foolish young Microsoft engineers even seemed to think this was going to happen quickly ... for a long time the App side of the house completely ignored this objective. Even the OS team ran into places like Search where they struggled to get COM out of the lower levels of the system. After a decade, Microsoft is still chipping away at this, I think it was Windows 10 when the Search IFilter interface died. The registry is still full of COM stuff, so they clearly have a ways to go.
      • Maybe COM and OLE are obsolete but it's also not clear what direction MS intends to go. Microsoft seems pretty aimless for the last 10 years, they've been asleep at the wheel with their own platform (Windows) and while .NET has been embraced by some industries, it's not the universal platform that was originally promised. To me give it 5 years and everything will be WASM based. Theoretically we could make environments where javascript+wasm could be dragged and dropped between documents. There's enough infor

        • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

          HTML will never be a good format for documents or really anything, because it doesn't support tabs. Even Wordpad lets you use the tab key.

          • It's not hard to add the ability to indent blocks with any policy that you wish using CSS. But then everything becomes a SGML/XML spaghetti. And we already know that WYSIWYG editing and data file format are normally decoupled, allowing for user-facing controls to be different than the structure of the file. Somewhat parallel concept to the well established MVC paradigm.

            • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

              Seriously, how do you do tabs with CSS? I need to know so I can fix markdown.

              • position: relative; left: 5em; .. then start packing DIV boxes inside each other to get paragraphs that indent. If you want just one line to indent, you can change how you wrap the text so that there is never more than one line in a box. The most JavaScript you put into your editor widget, the more like old-school tabs you can make the HTML you insert into the DOM. The concept is simple, but actually making it look nice takes quite a while.

                • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                  That sounds like it only works at the left side of a paragraph. I want to be able to lay out data with tabs, anywhere.

                  • it's relative positions, you can stack the

                    's anywhere you want. one limitation I have is that each indent is relative to the first. an absolute positioning option would let you do things like multiple variable tab stops. but then the HTML gets a little unwieldy and you need to write some software to generate it. (as in, you need a WYSIWYG edit control)

                    Most plain text editors have extremely poor support for tab character. Several popular IDEs completely lack the ability to configure multiple tab stop positi

                    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

                      Thanks, I will try this when I get home. Hopefully it doesn't break things like text selection. If it's okay I can create an add on for markdown converters that can deal with tab characters.

      • by Dwedit ( 232252 )

        The ABI for COM objects is perfectly fine. You get reference counting, and you can free objects created by another module. You don't even need to use the registry if you don't want to. COM is only messy when you are using other people's objects, and that entails using the registry.

    • by taustin ( 171655 )

      It could also open text files with non-Windows end of file characters without putting it all on a single line. (I think Notepad will do that now, though.)

      • CR/LF issues was definitely my primary use case for it when I first started getting into Linux, though it can also serve as a makeshift RTF editor/generator/parser (and I have used it for this in the course of my job a few times).
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      WordPad is the one program that ships with Windows that still lets you do "Insert Object" just like it's Windows 3.1 again, and you can import any OLE/ActiveX-compatible object into your document.

      Is it? Good. KILL IT WITH FIRE. Stupid OLE/Active-X object insertion needs to die and never be considered again. The hours of my life wasted opening a PDF with embedded Word document with embedded excel file with embedded zip file to open an damn picture are incalculable. The human race was never supposed to have this much scope to do stupid things with.

    • by stikves ( 127823 )

      The modern container ActiveX was .Net, which failed to take off, but evolved in steps with C++/CLI, C++/CX, and now C++/WinRT, which is basically all those advancements in modern native C++:
      https://learn.microsoft.com/en... [microsoft.com]

      Windows still pretty much uses the same object model, but added a better metadata (heavily borrowed from .Net, but of course native).

      As for a generic container where you can paste objects... Unfortunately I don't know of a solution. But given all their stuff has converged, I would not be

    • This goes back a very long way, but back when I was publishing The Sound Blaster Digest (early 90’s) I eventually started publishing using Windows Write on Windows 3.1 specifically because of OLE — I could package an “e-zine” with audio, graphics, fonts, and better formatting than the hand-formatted ASCII I was previously using. I continued with the ASCII format as well every month (which was a good deal of work) and released in both formats, but the Write version (being published a

  • by twocows ( 1216842 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @04:38PM (#64135073)
    I don't understand what their reasoning is for targeting something that's been a basic feature of Windows for a very, very long time. It's not as though it takes up a lot of space on disk.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      Because Wordpad is too close to Word for people who just want a clean wysiwyg word processor without all the crap.

      I used it for years when I was poor and couldn't afford to buy software and just used the net for dictionary and thesaurus, etc, as needed.

      • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
        Was that before Open-/libre- office where available or where you stuck without the possibility to install sw for some reason?
      • Yeah, whenever I had a PC w/o Office, I tried to get away w/ using Wordpad for any documents I could. Some though, forced me to go to libraries or other places that had computers that had Word
    • At some point a company has to decide what projects to staff and include in the release test plan. Priorities matter, and if inclusion or exclusion of a component is not going to alter your purchase decision there is not much of a business reason to keep it around.

      Disk space is likely very low on MS's list of priorities, based on the bulk of the last few releases. Once they didn't have to fit the installation on a single 4.7GB single-sided DVD things got really out of hand.

    • Re:Why? (Score:4, Interesting)

      by flyingfsck ( 986395 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:03PM (#64135243)
      My guess is that whoever officially maintained Wordpad, died or resigned.
    • by waspleg ( 316038 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @06:04PM (#64135249) Journal

      Because they want O365 rent money, obviously. In 11 (Home at least), they have a nagware version setup as the default. Tried to open a .docx? Pay us or close Word.

      Right click -> Open with -> Wordpad, oh look it works for free.

      • Yep, it's the "computing as a webpage" paradigm I'm tired of. You don't get to own the software, and our computers are less just dummy terminals now.
        • Yeah, I don't pay for any cloud services myself. They end up costing so much more than just one-time payments, and the seller, uh, I am mean service provider, may cancel the product any time. I can understand leasing a car or renting an apartment, as there is cost to owning things, they are big investments, and may lose their worth, and it is a hassle to sell and buy a new one. But none of the arguments hold for software. People perhaps don't get that, or they are terrible at math. Of course, the companies
        • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
          I think the word is SaaS, but yea your tterm allso works
      • "Because they want O365 rent money, obviously."

        But they've always wanted to sell Word licenses.

        A static incentive cannot cause a change in behavior. You need to find something else that has changed.

      • I bought Office Home & Student Edition, & don't plan to pay them rent every year. Will keep it as long as it lasts I don't need the newest version of Word, Excel & PowerPoint every year. Particularly since Microsoft has this nasty habit of changing the way things work from one version to the next. It's particularly awful w/ Outlook
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by thegarbz ( 1787294 )

      I don't understand what their reasoning is for targeting something that's been a basic feature of Windows for a very, very long time. It's not as though it takes up a lot of space on disk.

      The primary reason people used Wordpad was to open things which didn't display correctly in Notepad. Unix Line endings, large documents, etc. With Notepad having those features included there is so little reason to use Wordpad unless you're dealing with an actual formatted document using a very much legacy RTF format.

      Also telemetry. Microsoft knows how little it gets used. There's no point shipping code that isn't used, it just presents a security risk. Heck this year alone saw 3 CVEs related to Wordpad bei

  • by Dictator For Life ( 8829 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @04:52PM (#64135085) Homepage

    I was in the unenviable position of needing clean RTF on Windows for a while (to create help files for the oldstyle Windows help system, also brought to you by Microsoft). Word's RTF would not work with their own help file generator. Wordpad was what I had to resort to for this purpose - either that, or the old Applix suite on Linux at the time.

    I guess RTF is pretty much a dead thing now, with HTML having pride of place.

    • RTF was great in its day, but it definitely shows its age. It's a whole lot easier to generate valid HTML.

  • didn't insist on having a connection to the internet for it to work

    This.

  • just use notepad++

    • How much can I charge your grandmother for tech support?

    • by Gavino ( 560149 )
      Just don't uninstall the now-redundant Notepad app or else the right-click "New --> Text Document" menu item disappears. I found that out the hard way.
    • by GuB-42 ( 2483988 )

      They are removing WordPad, not Notepad.

      WordPad is a simple word processor, not a text editor. You can use LibreOffice Writer instead. Or MS Word, like Microsoft intends you to do.

      Notepad on the other hand gets much needed improvements. Not big changes, but important ones, like UNIX line ending support.

    • by Calydor ( 739835 )

      Notepad++ is a great program, but it is not a WYSIWYG editor for simple text formatting - Wordpad is. If you want to set up somewhat professional looking letters, maybe writing short stories with specific margin sizes etc., all such stuff; that's what Wordpad is for.

  • by Chelloveck ( 14643 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:43PM (#64135199)

    I sometimes use it when I need to print some lightly formatted text, like an envelope or mailing label. For when I want it to be a little fancier than a plain ASCII file, but not fancy enough to warrant firing up a full-blown word processor.

    <tin_foil_hat>Maybe they're removing it to drive the last holdouts to Office 365.</tin_foil_hat>

  • by RitchCraft ( 6454710 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @05:54PM (#64135233)

    Just wait until Windows version 13..14..? when it's complete SaaS. You'll need to set your BIOS to boot from "the cloud" to load "your" OS that you pay a monthly subscription to. Software and features will come and go (much more than now) at the will of your Microsoft overlords. Oh, you want to keep that program that's being removed, that'll be another $1.99 a month please. You know, a maintenance fee to keep it running. No Internet today because your ISP is down, sucks to be you. Oops, an overdraft on your account, no problem, when you pay for your month again AND the overdraft fee AND the reconnection fee you can have access to your files again. Your keyboard doesn't have the Clippy key?! Dear God, that will be another $1.99 a month to make sure your Win-C key always works. Oh, your virtual Windows is running slow, no problem, for an extra $1.99 a month we'll defrag it for you. "Your data", we don't think so (EULA), we are using it to train our LLM ... hey, YOU agreed to it! But at least telemetry isn't a thing any longer, ya know, since your entire life is in their hands on the cloud. Yeah for Microsoft. In all seriousness, make the switch to something else while you can, be it Apple, Linux, BSD, BeOS (j/k), anything. Once your on the MS cloud you'll be screwed.

  • ... one would want to edit text with ...

    The problem is the default settings are US and can't be globally changed. Every new document must manually configured.

    The advantage of WordPad is, it's faster than a browser or a word-processor. An RTF file is smaller than HTML (Because making CSS compact, isn't a priority.) The point of WordPad being, plain text can be quickly marked-up: Which is frequently needed before printing text documents.

  • I gave my mom a cheap but powerful AMD-powered mini PC for Xmas. Wordpad and the People app were two of the first things I uninstalled straight after install. I annoyingly had to leave Notepad installed though, or else the right-click "New --> Text Document" option disappears, and I use that all the time for Notepad++.

    Microsoft need a much better way of handling that right-click "New" menu.
  • Next Microsoft will pull the word on Plugpad and I will care just as much.

  • by ElizabethGreene ( 1185405 ) on Friday January 05, 2024 @08:56PM (#64135501)

    A better alternative for problem steps recorder is the new snipping tool. If has the ability to capture video now.

    That's not the coolest thing they added to snipping tool; It has the ability to OCR a screen cap to get the text back out of it. It's awesome. <3.

  • Notepad and Notepad++ don't do fonts, bold, italics, underlines, bullets, or any of the other things WordPad does. Word is complete overkill for the majority of users. WordPad was a perfect fit for a cut above basic text.

    • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
      No I'm not pushing Libreoffice but it seams like a simple solution when wordpad disappears and word becomes too expensive, but I might be missing something (apparat from the fact that it needs to be downloaded and installed + a few file association fixed, but these are just one time operations after all).
      • In my case I'd consider it a poor replacement because it's just too heavyweight. It takes a long time to start up; WordPad is ready within a second. And it has a huge interface due to all the functionality, so it really doesn't work well in a small window &#226;&#8364;" WordPad does. And I could probably customize the Writer UI to make it as compact as WordPad, but then I'd have ruined it for when I want to work on actual, bigger, print documents, which is what Writer works much better for.

        I use Wor
        • by bn-7bc ( 909819 )
          Yopu are probably correct, byt the task migt be bigger than tah, wwhat if dlls that are no longer in use by anythingg (once worbad is remived) are needed by wordpad etc. I suspect the removal of wordpad is less about wordpad than it's dependencies. The case might be that ms is working on removing as much of non .net components from windows as they can, to move resources to .net
  • In my work we had large text files that sometimes needed a simple edit of, say, the header.
    NotePad would only handle up to ~64,000 lines, WordPad uses a spill file and thus handles the very large files.
  • I'm a veteran of the browser wars. I remember when Microsoft tried to snuff out its competition by including a fully-featured Internet Explorer with Windows, and justified this by saying that users wanted all the features of a best-in-class app.

    I always wondered (sarcastically) why this didn't extend to their word processor, too. Why not include a fully-featured Microsoft Word with Windows?

    Maybe now's the time to do that.

  • by Gabest ( 852807 ) on Saturday January 06, 2024 @11:44AM (#64136517)

    That's peak debloating right there. Always start with the smallest.

  • I have used wordpad extensively for writing all of my books, all 4 of them. Why? Because the crappy computer I used at the start it was lightning fast. Started in a couple of seconds, loaded the document and displayed it fine. That I then edited when all chapters was complete in Libreoffice isn't the point, because that was just to fix spelling and add chapter headers so I could export it as a .epub.

    What I meant to say was, of course they gonna kill the good part of Windows first, that's what they always do

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