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79% of Developers are At Least Considering a New Job, Survey Finds (stackoverflow.blog) 36

"More developers are looking for or are open to a new job now compared to the last two years," writes Stack Overflow's senior analyst for market research and insights — citing the results of their latest survey of developers in 107 different countries.

"More than 1,000 developers responded to this year's survey about jobs and 79% are at least considering new opportunities if not actively looking." New insights from these survey results show that new tech talent and late-career developers are both more likely to be looking. New developers have increasingly switched jobs compared to early- and mid-career developers in the last three years... Interest in looking for a new job drops as developers get older for new to mid-career (44 and younger) respondents (86% to 74%), but picks back up for those 55 to 64 (88%). Late-career developers acknowledge curiosity about other companies as their second top reason to look for a new job this year behind "better salary," which all age groups rank as their top reason. Curiosity grew in importance for late-career developers since last year more than all other age groups (32% vs. 22%) and is more important to this group than reasons other groups ranked higher such as working with new technology and growth opportunities...

In our 2023 Developer Survey, we started asking about AI and the sentiment around it in our developer community; results were very similar when we checked in again through this pulse survey (70% are using AI or planning to). Developers may also feel less enthusiastic about learning opportunities now that AI tools are rapidly developing to help many be more productive in their jobs (30% cite this as the top benefit).

Other interesting findings from the survey:
  • Compared to the 2023 Developer Survey, 8% of developers have exited the technology industry and are increasingly filling roles in manufacturing and supply chain companies (11% vs. 7%)
  • Technology is the industry most developers currently work in (46%), followed by manufacturing/supply chain (14%) and financial services (13%)
  • New tech talent is onboarding at as many jobs by 24 as those up to 10 years their senior and this rapid experience cycle could rival the knowledge and experience of those they report to.

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79% of Developers are At Least Considering a New Job, Survey Finds

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  • by Frobnicator ( 565869 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:51AM (#63964780) Journal

    Interesting read. I am not sure it is valid to combine them based on the question from the survey developer.

    I will listen to the headhunters and recruiters because I might learn of an amazing opportunity. I tell them to send me info if they want, it doesn't hurt me to read. So for the questions I am willing.

    However, I like my job and I am not considering leaving, nor am I looking for a new one. So I am not actively considering it.

    given the range of questions they list, this seems a little surprising. Keeping your ears open is a survival skill, even if you aren't hunting you should be aware of the job environment.

  • by 93 Escort Wagon ( 326346 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @01:57AM (#63964792)

    If the right offer were made, who wouldn't at least consider a different job? But that doesn't mean people are actively looking for work.

  • by OrangeTide ( 124937 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @02:03AM (#63964806) Homepage Journal

    Theoretically I'm always open to a new job. It should pay more than my old job, and ideally be less stressful. I've been playing this strategy for 25 years and for the last 5 years I have turned down every recruiter and hiring manager DM. Before that I was accepting interviews about once or twice a year, and usually I'd go through the entire process until there is an offer. And usually turning it down. You'd think that they'd make it clear up front with the little "salary expectations" discussion, but the devil is in the details and your typical recruiter doesn't have the information I need to make a reasonable comparison between two roles.

  • Of course (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stikves ( 127823 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @02:15AM (#63964824) Homepage

    There is a thing called "promotion by interview"

    Your chances of getting a higher level, a better project, and of course increased salary is improved if you interview, and get job offers. You can of course decide not to spend any time on this and keep grunting at your current role. However once you are assigned to a "dead end" project, there would be a very tough road ahead to get out of that career block.

    It does not mean you have to jump at every opportunity, that is a career killer. But by being open, and doing strategic jumps, maybe every 2-4 years, or at least internal transfers to better projects is not only beneficial for your career, but also for the industry as well (cross pollination).

    • Re: Of course (Score:5, Insightful)

      by TJHook3r ( 4699685 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @06:28AM (#63965102)
      Much like sticking with the same mobile network provider or same broadband, it seems that loyalty is rarely rewarded! The longer you stay, the more corporate knowledge you acquire and that dangerous burden - being the only one that knows how the crappy legacy systems work. Once you get that knowledge it can keep you stuck in a role. Of course if you work with startups only you're unlikely to get the problem of legacy system support but will instead have the overhead of constantly learning new tech
  • Since the people responding choose to do so, rather than being randomly selected, and those who try the survey might also decide not to finish it, the results will likely be heavily biased towards people who have a strong opinions about the questions asked. Seemingly one opinion is "I wouldn't mind leaving my job".

    • This would be fair criticism of this if it was a one off. But the article reports on a survey whose results this year are much higher.

    • by leptons ( 891340 )
      Not to mention this is the result from only 1000 people responding. That's nothing. If it were 10,000 people it might be more valid. Where was this test given? Because that has a lot to do with the results. I never saw this test, it must not have been widely available.
  • by Bruce66423 ( 1678196 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @04:11AM (#63964922)

    For those of us who don't want an insane level of work and to build up a gold plated pension, the public sector is worth consideration. You're far more likely to only have to work the hours you're contracted for, and a good employer will even pay for training. Plus you get to contribute to your community, not to the profits of shareholders.

    • by nester ( 14407 )

      Plus you get to contribute to your community, not to the profits of shareholders.

      What if I told you shareholders also live in communities? And that those profiles are providing retirees with income. Also, governments start wars, not companies. Governments are not altruistic as a whole, and it's generally the exception when they are. Charities can be, as a whole.

      • Not everything is doable by the private sector. Government is why the private sector can make a profit in the first place (for example, good luck setting up a retail store without a structure of law enforcement, infrastructure, power, and a level of wealth that the local population can afford one's goods.)

        No, government isn't 100%, but neither is the private sector the be all and end all. Government people work damn hard to keep things going for a lot of people, be it electric crews pulling 16 hour shifts

  • ...that 60% more developers were pissed off with their employers at the time of responding to the survey than at the last time they were polled or maybe they were having a bad day/indigestion. That's pretty much the validity & reliability of self-disclosure questionnaires; they're little more than momentary sentiment barometers & the causes/sources of feelings are very, very difficult, if not impossible, to identify reliably.
    • ...that 60% more developers were pissed off with their employers at the time of responding to the survey than at the last time they were polled or maybe they were having a bad day/indigestion. That's pretty much the validity & reliability of self-disclosure questionnaires; they're little more than momentary sentiment barometers & the causes/sources of feelings are very, very difficult, if not impossible, to identify reliably.

      I've always had a problem trying to figure out what this stuff even means. I'm "retired" and I'm always looking for new opportunities.

      But this from the survey causes some pause:

      "Developers may also feel less enthusiastic about learning opportunities now that AI tools are rapidly developing to help many be more productive in their jobs."

      Wut? Long ago, I determined that if a person wants to get ahead, they have to latch onto all learning opportunities, or they will find themselves unneeded. If these "

  • It was nearly alarming for me to read that learning opportunities were much less important than flexibility. In a field driven by knowledge it is really concerning that an employee would rather stay just because they have another day to work from home. 70% vs 44% is crazy for retention.

  • Meh (Score:4, Insightful)

    by NoWayNoShapeNoForm ( 7060585 ) on Monday October 30, 2023 @04:59AM (#63964986)

    Meh is my review of TFS. It is not really news IMHO.

    Any decent employee worth their paycheck should always keep their eyes open for better opportunities.

    It could be as simple as maintaining a wide nework of contacts ranging from employers, to fellow co-workers (current & former), to headhunters. Sounds like the original purpose of LinkedIn doesn't it?

    It could be more than online networking while paying close attention to any in-force confidentiality agreements.

    In today's job market in the US the smart employee should always be looking around since "demand generally exceeds supply" in most skilled job sectors.

  • There are hundreds of thousands of developers working for companies whose primary focus is not software. The company may have a website and a database, bookkeeping and logistics software. I've interviewed at a couple, they want to rework the applications that organize their warehouse stocking and shipments for example. They have a ton of ancient legacy code that requires constant maintenance. Meanwhile their developers are working in a field where you have to keep your skill set up to date or you eventually

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