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Android 14 Adds Support for Using Smartphones as Webcams (esper.io) 69

Esper: Starting in Android 14, it may not be necessary to use a third-party app to turn your smartphone into a webcam for your PC, as that functionality is getting baked into the Android OS itself -- though there's a catch.

When you plug an Android phone into a PC, you have the option to change the USB mode between file transfer/Android Auto (MTP), USB tethering (NCM), MIDI, or PTP. In Android 14, however, a new option can appear in USB Preferences: USB webcam. Selecting this option switches the USB mode to UVC (USB Video Class), provided the device supports it, turning your Android device into a standard USB webcam that other devices will recognize, including Windows, macOS, and Linux PCs, and possibly even other Android devices.

Webcam support in Android 14 is not enabled out of the box, however. In order to enable it, four things are required: a Linux kernel config needs to be enabled, the UVC device needs to be configured, the USB HAL needs to be updated, and a new system app needs to be preloaded.

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Android 14 Adds Support for Using Smartphones as Webcams

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  • solving?

    Actual webcams are cheap and they easily mount to monitors unlike cell phones.
    Anybody think this is an actual useful feature? That maybe time could be better spent fixing existing bugs than adding new features of questionable value?

    • Actual webcams are cheep, but theyâ(TM)re another thing that you need to buy, and have around. Theyâ(TM)re also crap compared to phone cameras. Since iOS added support for using the iPhone as a webcam thereâ(TM)s tons of little mounts you can get to stick one on top of your monitor.

    • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @07:53AM (#63868497)
      Webcams are expensive shite. The camera & mic in even cheap smartphones are waaay better. Simple as.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @09:25AM (#63868787) Homepage Journal

        Lately we have started to see some half decent webcams.

        The issue seems to be that they all use the same chip that isn't very programmable, so all they can do is work with the sensor and optics to make them look better. Phones do a lot more processing to make their cameras look good. A custom chip would work, but it's a lot of effort.

        Microphones are a different thing though. Some laptops have really good mics. Unlike a phone they can space several microphones out, and by comparing the waveforms they can determine how far sounds are from the machine and how far off axis they are. Does wonders for eliminating background noise.

        • by VeryFluffyBunny ( 5037285 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @09:51AM (#63868859)
          I've used various combinations of equipment; laptops webcam & mic, external mics, expensive webcams, & SLRs & mirrorless (photo/video) cameras. By far, the best quality is good quality external mic, preferably hyper-cardioid (e.g. a Rode NTG-2 is good bang for your buck) & a mirrorless camera (e.g. Canon, Sony, or Fujifilm) in webcam mode. It's also the most expensive & least convenient (cables, stands, & changing settings). Every webcam I've tried has sucked big-time. Laptop cameras are just as bad & the mics aren't good either. For the same price as an external webcam, a cheap entry-level smartphone is better for both video & audio quality. If you can just plug it in & put it on a stand next to your laptop, that's win-win-win-win (video quality, audio quality, convenience, & price), as far as I'm concerned. If you have a half-way decent smartphone, ain't no laptop or webcam gonna come close. I'm surprised Google hadn't done this sooner.
    • solving?

      Actual webcams are cheap and they easily mount to monitors unlike cell phones.
      Anybody think this is an actual useful feature? That maybe time could be better spent fixing existing bugs than adding new features of questionable value?

      Reuse, repurpose, recycle.

    • by Registered Coward v2 ( 447531 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @08:43AM (#63868645)

      solving?

      Actual webcams are cheap and they easily mount to monitors unlike cell phones. Anybody think this is an actual useful feature? That maybe time could be better spent fixing existing bugs than adding new features of questionable value?

      It gives you the flexibility of having a webcam without having to drag around another device while saving some coin at the same time. A decent web cam from a reputable company can run 50Euros or more.

      More interestingly, it may open up many more options than many webcams offer. For example, the iPhone's implementation allows you to use various camera and mic modes while using it as a webcam. Desk View, for example allows you to show your face and desk at the same time. Center Stage keeps you centered as you move around. Both are features not normally included in an inexpensive webcam.

      Many people may not use the new feature and just use the built in camera but for those that will it's a nice addition.

    • > Anybody think this is an actual useful feature?

      yes.
      Webcam (mic? hopefully too) breaks on laptop, I then almost always have a backup with me.
      I mainly work on a desktop, not needing another widget (in the economic sense) specifically for video is nice.

      What I don't get is this:
      > Selecting this option switches the USB mode to UVC

      Why "switches the USB mode" , and not "adds an UVC interface descriptor to the USB device" , if for instance the webcam is to be used over a USB tethered connection (while tran

      • The current UI for USB mode uses radio buttons.

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        • I remember webcams connected through USB hubs, while using the same hub for data transfer. Same concept...

          AFAIK transfer mode is a property of specific endpoints, which are contained in interfaces. Isochronous (usb has no async, that much I remember) interfaces are always alongside "normal" interfaces. There might be an issue when negotiating bandwidth.
          Digging deep in memory for 5+ years unused knowledge here...

          TBH I'm more inclined to believe the reason to be as simple as

          > The current UI for USB mode us

    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

      One of the main advantages of modern smartphones is that they replace a lot of single purpose things in our lives. Webcams are just another thing they could easily replace.

      So the answer to the question of "how this is actually a useful feature" is "it's another gadget that is fully replaced by a device that is always with you, another gadget you don't have to buy or own to have functionality available to you".

      • by narcc ( 412956 )

        I don't see how. If you're using a desktop, you've got to find a way to mount your phone, so you'll need to buy a mount. A webcam, with that problem already solved, is a $20 purchase. You'll also need to mount your phone in a sensible place. Ideally, that would be at the top of your primary display, like it is in your laptop. You really don't want your oversized smartphone obscuring the display, but mounting it higher puts the camera way too high. Mount it on the side and it'll look like you're facing

        • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

          I had a matte grippy desk surface before, where phone could be easily propped for work. Switched to a low friction anti-fingerprint surface a year ago, and noticed that phone couldn't be easily propped. Went to Ikea and bought a 2-3 EUR bamboo phone holder. Because as you mention above, I need to see my phone and be able to use it while working.

          So either you have a desk that's grippy enough to prop the phone, or you have a phone holder, or you don't actually need to use your phone for work all that much.

          As

          • by narcc ( 412956 )

            What does any of that have to do with using your phone as a webcam?

            • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

              You: "list issues with using your phone as a webcam".

              Me: "puts your list in context and see what the solutions that already exist are in context of a typical work environment".

              • by narcc ( 412956 )

                There seems to be some confusion over what "using your phone as a webcam" means...

                I'm currently on 11, and it has picture overlay for video from the front camera for video calls over all applications, as well as proper multitasking and split screen to run two applications on the same screen at once.

                We're not talking about using your phone for video calls or video conferencing, but as a dumb camera attached to a desktop computer. That's what "using your phone as a webcam" means.

                I had a matte grippy desk surface before, where phone could be easily propped for work.

                I address this in my post. That puts the camera at a weird angle. Either too low or too low and off to the side.

                • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

                  >We're not talking about using your phone for video calls or video conferencing, but as a dumb camera attached to a desktop computer. That's what "using your phone as a webcam" means.

                  And yet this is your previous post:

                  >Oh, and if you need a webcam for video conferencing, you'll probably also want access to your phone. A phone is simply not a sensible replacement for a webcam.

                  Which is why I explained that android had multitasking for ages and explained specifically how you will continue having access t

                  • by narcc ( 412956 )

                    You can't be serious... Do you understand the difference between using your phone to make a video call and using your phone as a webcam? Are you being intentionally obtuse? Are you having a stroke? It's like I'm talking to Ted Stevens!

                    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

                      Do elaborate how these two uses are so massively different for the purposes of this discussion (note the important part, "purpose of this discussion", i.e. context of this discussion as outlined above), because there's clearly an idea in your head that you believe I should be able to read, and I'm failing as a mind reader.

                      Which is a failing that I readily admit to. I can only read what you actually write, not what you think.

                    • by narcc ( 412956 )

                      This is ridiculous. Try to follow along:

                      This is a webcam [amazon.com]

                      This is a smartphone [amazon.com]

                      Smartphones have a camera built-in.

                      Some computers also have a camera build-in.

                      Not all computers have a camera.

                      Still with me, champ? Things are about to get highly technical...

                      If you want to make video calls, you need a camera.

                      If you want to make video calls from your computer, your computer needs a camera.

                      If your computer doesn't have a camera, you can use a webcam.

                      A webcam is a camera that you can plugin to a computer.

                      A computer

                    • by Luckyo ( 1726890 )

                      So your attention span is exactly ten words. As beyond that, I specifically delineated what the scope of my question was.

                      And you dismissed that and answered as if nothing beyond first ten words exists all while assuming I'm an idiot.

                      Classy.

    • It is more a question of allowing people to use the hardware they own in the way they choose.

      An Android phone is a USB device. The hardware supports this functionality. It should be possible to use it.

      I can't say that I would want to do this with my phone... but there is no real reason for Google to not allow me to do so.

      • Yeah, I really don't understand the skepticism.

        If only this had been a standard feature of Android in March 2020 when WfH drove a spike in new hardware sales.

        • I don't really have skepticism for the feature. I'm just wondering if it's worth more than fixing existing bugs that are annoying and actually waste my time.

          • Well, it's a feature I would definitely have used.

            I donated my laptop with an inbuilt webcam to my mother early in the pandemic so should could Zoom into her community groups. Her old laptop didn't have one.

            My working from home setup involves 3 screens via RDP - running off an USFF PC. Given that I prefer a mouse and full 104 size keyboard, a PC works better ergonomically on my desk than a laptop just for the webcam feature - for which I bought a cheap Logitech webcam.

            And on the days where I am working in t

    • Actual webcams are cheap and they easily mount to monitors unlike cell phones.

      I've never met a cheap webcam that has even remotely passable visual quality. Heck most expensive ones don't.

    • I have around three old Android phones and three more tablets lying around. I don't really want to pay to set one up to keep an eye on my dogs but i sure would set up an old device that i already have and I'm not using.
    • [unsure if joke]Better visualisations of genitals?[/unsure if joke]
  • by Rosco P. Coltrane ( 209368 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @08:21AM (#63868565)

    scrcpy [github.com] already offers this feature - at least if you run Linux: scrcpy can appear as a V4L2 capture device.

  • all PC's (Laptops, notebooks and all-in-ones) come with Webcams these days

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      • by tlhIngan ( 30335 )

        Googleâ(TM)s trick will be making it as seamless as Apple. In Appleâ(TM)s ecosystem itâ(TM)s just another camera/microphone you select, no drivers or additional software required, and it works in anything, Zoom, Teams, FaceTime, any program that can select a camera/microphone will work with it, one click.

        In Google's case, it appears as a webcam. As in, your phone appears to be a webcam using the bog standard USB VIdeo Class device driverless webcam.

        So it basically is seamless - it's like you

    • by Gabest ( 852807 )

      Those aren't PCs. Give back your pcmr badge now.

    • Yes, and they're exactly the same quality today as the potato cams of 1995.

  • You no longer need a third-party app.

    Instead, you need a new system app, a USB driver update, and some complicated configuration changes. I think most people would opt for the third-party app.

    • by billyswong ( 1858858 ) on Friday September 22, 2023 @10:54AM (#63869033)

      You no longer need a third-party app.

      Instead, you need a new system app, a USB driver update, and some complicated configuration changes. I think most people would opt for the third-party app.

      You no longer need a third-party app *in the computer*.

      Which means you can use this webcam function for computers that you are not authorized to install software by yourself.

    • and some complicated configuration changes

      Citation Required. Even when you do something weird like emulate mirrorless cameras as a webcam there's zero complicated things about it. Install driver package, select the camera in Teams / Skype / whatever you use. If it's your only camera you can skip the second step entirely.

  • I always thought smartphones should be usable for every peripheral. Webcam is relatively easy. Same for an extended screen. How about a trackpad/gesture control? Keyboard? Gaming/streaming pad with customizable buttons/macros? Use the camera in place of an optical sensor and make it a mouse. Speakers. There's probably hacky apps to accomplish all of these things, but why not bake them into the OS?
    • The things you list sound horrible. Why would I want a tiny borderline unreadable screen attached to my PC? Same as input devices, a smartphone is literally the worst thing I can think of for all those. There mere existence of a trackpad is a compromise for when a proper input device is not available, why would I want that experience on a PC? And keyboard ... gamepad? No what I actually do every so often is attach actual keyboards and actual gamepads to my smartphone because the phone is useless at this.

      • Because some systems are mostly headless until you need a screen for five minutes during not or to do some maintenance that can't be done remotely.
  • Get back to me when it can do it wirelessly, and without the Windows requirement. OBS Studio, a free and open source, cross-platform app, has been able to do this wirelessly for years.
  • Every single laptop I have seen in the past 10 or so years has a webcam built right into the monitor, top and center. Even the bottom of the barrel laptops have them. I can't comment on the quality on the camera as I never use it (I don't even like making old fashioned phone calls) but I suspect it's good enough for most users. The cell phone as webcam would appeal mostly to the internet peacocks who spend all their free time on Tik Tok, but the setup requirements are too steep for just about all of them,
    • My webcam on my Mac is horrible because the coating on the screen goes over the webcam and the more i try to clean it the more smudged it gets.

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