Zara Finds Shoplifters Outsmarted Its New Security System (bloomberg.com) 97
Inditex is racing to iron bugs out of a new anti-shoplifting system for its Zara stores, slightly delaying its rollout partly because the security tags were easy to identify and remove in initial tests, Bloomberg reported Tuesday, citing people familiar with the matter. From the report: Chief Executive Officer Oscar Garcia Maceiras unveiled the new technology in March and pledged to roll it out for tests in all Zara stores worldwide over the summer. The system relies on tiny chips known as RFID, doing away with the hard plastic tags on garments that require checkout clerks to remove them. The new technology has run into teething issues. Staff in several countries have raised concerns to management that the technology may actually make theft easier, according to the people, who asked not to be identified.
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I'd argue that fast fashion is a much bigger enemy of civilization.
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Yep, drawing and quartering for them! In other news, authoritarian scum always want harsher penalties and that newer works. At all.
Incidentally, in a shallow society all focused on image, stealing clothes _can_ be for survival, e.g. when it is the only way to keep your job.
Re: Shoplifting seems to be popular. We know why. (Score:2, Interesting)
They're stealing goods to fence to pay their living expenses, which have gone up dramatically of late. Real wages are FALLING and you are surprised people are stealing?
Re: Shoplifting seems to be popular. We know why. (Score:5, Informative)
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Interesting claim.
I have to wonder where these figures came from -- I mean, if nobody went after the shoplifters, how could we possibly know these things you're claiming?
Do you have a citation to share where I can read more details about how they figured this out?
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Those people stealing to then fence are guaranteed strangers to work and being paid a wage.
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Those people stealing to then fence are guaranteed strangers to work and being paid a wage.
There's a jobs shortage, they found a job, they took the job. If they could have gotten a non-stealing job that met their needs, they would have done. I've got a raft of relevant skills and it took me over a year to get a job after getting fired for seeking unpaid wages that the state has informed me they will not bother to help me recover. Unskilled workers (who BTW totally exist, but still deserve to be able to meet their needs — why is the system producing unskilled workers?) are in a much worse si
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Wage Theft Exceeds All Other Theft Combined
Yes. Everyone should make an above average salary.
Re: Shoplifting seems to be popular. We know why. (Score:2)
Everyone should be paid what they earned.
My prior employer John Reynolds stole over $30,000 from me that I can't afford to take him to court to recover.
If you support that, you are scum in addition to being a coward.
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Re: Shoplifting seems to be popular. We know why. (Score:2)
I don't know that any part of the system is "okay".
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This list (in reverse order oddly) shows alcohol pretty far down. https://blog.cheapism.com/thes... [cheapism.com]
Deodorant and laundry detergent is much more likely to be stolen.
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However, as a genuine purchaser, I'd be pissed if they used the RFID tags to track me outside the store. That seems like a bigger issue to me.
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RFID tags are disabled at checkout, so they cannot track you outside of the store.
You hope they are disabled. They have to be burned out. I don't trust retailers to get this right.
Inditex is actually quite late with this, competitors moved to RFID years ago.
Most security tags in the world still aren't RFID.
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I would have thought that embedding rfid in a plastic laundry detergent bottle cap would be pretty easy, and enough effort to remove from a bunch of containers to be a deterrent. Same for small rfid chips in plastic buttons or sewn into seams. However, as a genuine purchaser, I'd be pissed if they used the RFID tags to track me outside the store. That seems like a bigger issue to me.
Which might work if prosecutors actually prosecuted people who steal.
Re: Shoplifting seems to be popular. We know why. (Score:1)
That's because a bottle of Tide, might as well be money. It can certainly be easily exchanged for money, or crack.
No expert, but a lot of these things being stolen like deodorant and razor blades, and tide, end up for sale at party stores, and gas stations and simular...
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>> Deodorant and laundry detergent is much more likely to be stolen.... alcohol pretty far down
Unwashed stinking thieves who want to improve their appearance ?
Alcohol is contra-productive to thieves, it slows them down.
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our culture has shifted
Yeah, our culture has shifted away from the behavior of a civilized society where people abide by the law for the most part voluntarily so that society can work properly and everyone benefits, to one where the individual doesn't give two hoots about anyone else and thinks they are entitled to anything they want.
And this is why we can't have nice things any more.
The me, me, me generation is ruining things for everyone.
People are actually pretty well off these days. None of the current generations, at least
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We have raised this upon ourselves.
Re: Shoplifting seems to be popular. We know why. (Score:3)
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It's not that. The issue now is that younger people are so completely and comprehensively screwed that the social contract has broken down.
It used to be that if you did the right things, got educated, got a job, you could make a decent life with a house, a car, a pension, some healthcare.
What's more, the most common type of theft by far is not shoplifting, it's wage theft. They are being robbed every day, just trying to pay the rent to some arsehole landlord who jacked it up because of "the market". The sam
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It's not that. The issue now is that younger people are so completely and comprehensively screwed that the social contract has broken down.
It used to be that if you did the right things, got educated, got a job, you could make a decent life with a house, a car, a pension, some healthcare.
What's more, the most common type of theft by far is not shoplifting, it's wage theft. They are being robbed every day, just trying to pay the rent to some arsehole landlord who jacked it up because of "the market". The same landlord who burned all the oil and who will be long gone by the time the younger generations are really hammered by climate change.
It's no wonder that more and more of them feel little connection to society, and little reason to follow its rules. Work two remote jobs, steal back from your employer who is stealing from you, palm the odd thing from the grocery chain store. The world will be on fire by the time they make it, not that most of them ever will.
This,
Shoplifting didn't start with millennials. It was always a thing, especially amongst poor kids. Sometimes just stealing for a dare but mostly it was stuff they weren't allowed to buy (I.E. alcohol or tobacco). The problem is that now you have adults stealing because they cant afford things. It starts with luxuries, but soon moves to necessities.
Crime tends to get worse when economies do, specifically, when the worst off start having less money.
But that kind of thing is hard to face and saying
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This, Shoplifting didn't start with millennials. It was always a thing, especially amongst poor kids. Sometimes just stealing for a dare but mostly it was stuff they weren't allowed to buy (I.E. alcohol or tobacco). The problem is that now you have adults stealing because they cant afford things. It starts with luxuries, but soon moves to necessities. Crime tends to get worse when economies do, specifically, when the worst off start having less money. But that kind of thing is hard to face and saying "kids these days " is a lot easier and lets you ignore the real problem for a bit longer.
Not this. Most of the large thefts in these places are done by smaller gangs of people who are making bank by driving out neighborhood stores because of the "insurance will pay for it" and "they are stealing because they are poor". Then prosecutors with your attitude let them go with a slap, or tie law enforcement hands with no chase orders. Which cause these areas to be poorer for it, and low trust.
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paywall (Score:2)
I guess this is the same story: https://finance.yahoo.com/news... [yahoo.com]
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Yeah, it's anti-theft in the same way a car alarm is.
I think the big innovation here is the tags are smaller and (maybe) better hidden/sewn directly into the garment?
I don't know, if I was a conspiracy theorist, I would be more concerned about having non-removable RFID chips in my clothing...
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Conspiracy theory (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you're actually in the equivalent of the uncanny valley.
Conspiracy theorists are worried about the government using vaccines to inject tracking microchips directly into you.
Real world security people just track your cell phone.
As the security people have told me, with cellphones:
1. People carry them all the time
2. People keep them charged
3. People even pay for them
4. They have integrated cameras and microphones
The problem with hiding RFID chips in your clothing is that you'd change your identity every time you change clothing. While for many guys, chipping their shoes would work "most" of the time, for many women, you'd need to build a huge list to keep track of them - and with "matched" outfits, you wouldn't have, say, the shoes showing up with different dresses consistently enough to associate them all with the same woman.
Also, with basically no power budget for the RFID chip, you'd need to put readers all over the place to actually track people. Expensive.
Cell phone tracking rounds to "free" in comparison.
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I think the big innovation here is the tags are smaller and (maybe) better hidden/sewn directly into the garment?
I don't know, if I was a conspiracy theorist, I would be more concerned about having non-removable RFID chips in my clothing...
Having them sewn-in or otherwise non-removable seems problematic. What about if/when you purchase something then wear it when visiting the store later? I didn't see any info on TFA/S, so is the chip somehow deactivated when purchased? Also, we have enough problems with micro-plastics in the environment, now we'll have to worry about micro-RFID chips when they eventually wash out. At least the old/current bulky anti-theft tags are removed at the store and reused.
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What about if/when you purchase something then wear it when visiting the store later? I didn't see any info on TFA/S, so is the chip somehow deactivated when purchased?
If the tag wasn't deactivated on purchase the alarm would go off even if you bought it. (It's registered in the database as purchased, the chip is still there)
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If it's anything like the tags in clothes from another big European shop (which I won't name because I'm not 100% certain I remember correctly), the RFID tag is in a label which is only sewn to the garment on one side and can be cut off.
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I guess I have to start microwaving my new clothes...
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Don't American's make clothes out of soft, easily cut fabrics any more? It's only steel plate armour and chain mail. This season.
Oh, you meant "RFID tags that are slightly difficult to remove without imperceptibly altering the appearance of the garment"?
Shrug. [Self goes back to sewing up the holes in my socks.]
real guard that can do stuff cost more rent a cops (Score:2)
real guards that can do stuff cost more rent a cops and then then some places want cheap guards.
I once seen an job ad for an place that got robbed and later they cheaped out. Wanted an guard bring your own gun an big plus pay was an salary rate that was near minimum wage
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Why not just shoot them? Much more in line with US morals.
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If there was an actual consequence for theft it wouldn't be happening (as much). But the one finger approach, then another, and third time an entire hand and sure there would be outrage for the first year, but as theft plummeted to new lows the whiners would start to realize the carrot approach to keeping society civil is not working anymore.
Re:Sheri baby (Score:4, Insightful)
Morals don't mean shit when there are no consequences. Only fear keeps people in line.
Only if you are a cave-man. Are you a cave-man? Sounds very much like it to me. Apply-bigger-club-until-problem-is-solved. The approach of a violent primitive.
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Re:Sheri baby (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Sheri baby (Score:4, Insightful)
If fear is all that keeps you in line, fear is the only thing you deserve.
Forget any freedoms you might think you have, if fear is what keeps you from being an asshole, fear is what you shall get.
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> You don't eat fertilizer because you fear death.
You may not eat fertilizer because you know it is not good for you. You can die from what is not good for you. You can avoid death because you want to live and don't want to die. Can you both want to avoid death as much as possible and not fear it at the same time ?
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The caste of coffee-achievers didn't perform like they planned
The morning rush hour traffic is our play of false elan
So run around your frantic track and lay you down to sleep
Tomorrow's our redemption, we strive without exception
Anxiety for love of life
Anxiety for pain
Anxiety the feeling that you've nothing more to gain
Anxiety destroys us but it drives the common man
Foundation of society, anxiety... suppress it if you can [youtube.com]
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Fear is an irrational emotion where you do things (or do not do things) based on an imagined outcome. Not touching a hot pocket without a cover, or not eating fertilizer, is a rational decision based on knowing the outcome if you did and considering that outcome a negative one. If you cannot tell the difference, you might want to check what other things you do that have no roots in reality.
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If fear is all that keeps you in line, fear is the only thing you deserve.
Forget any freedoms you might think you have, if fear is what keeps you from being an asshole, fear is what you shall get.
To be fair, that is what Christianity is based on.
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Yeah, I'm constantly amazed how we didn't manage to evolve past that stage yet. I for one manage to not be an asshole all the time without a supernatural CCTV hanging over my head.
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To be fair, that is what Christianity is based on.
To be fair, even though some "Christians" like to preach fear, Christianity is not based on fear, but on repentance, forgiveness, and love. (as long as you leave large parts of the Old Testament out of the Christianity)
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This sounds like the words of a tyrant. There are who studies into having a working, high-trust society. It takes more than just a stick. Other societies don't have to have such Draconian punishments because:
1: People have reputations, and in their society, being viewed as a liar or a thief, just the reputation of that, can destroy their career.
2: People feel a duty to their society because there is a two way street. The nation helps provide, and they pay taxes and keep the peace in return for a cultu
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I have a better solution: You can just commit suicide! Removes a dangerous authoritarian asshole and makes the world a better place. Incidentally, "harsher penalties" have never worked and will never work. All they do is make society less pleasant and less stable.
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Some societies have relatively tiny punishments... but they are enforced everywhere and if someone steps over the line, it is almost certain that they will get hit. For example, some countries will have the cop pull someone over for speeding and demand a small fine (assuming it isn't an insane amount over). After a bunch of $10 to $20 fines, people start reigning it in. This is a lot better than yanking their license or throwing them in jail.
Similar for theft. The US system where once someone has any ty
security tags don't stop smash and grab robberies (Score:3)
security tags don't stop smash and grab robberies.
also most store workers are not allowed to touch, detain, block, etc shoplifters any ways.
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security tags don't stop smash and grab robberies.
also most store workers are not allowed to touch, detain, block, etc shoplifters any ways.
I'd be surprised if people in the US, home of the castle doctrine, are not permitted by law to stop, detain or remove people they've found or suspect of shoplifting when you're entitled to do so in the UK.
I suspect you've just fallen for a Daily Mail/Fox News talking point. The whole "you're not allowed to do X" any more when you're still perfectly allowed to.
Here in the UK. you are permitted to stop and detain someone you suspect of shoplifting (or any other crime) but you have to be quite certain of
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I'd be surprised if people in the US, home of the castle doctrine, are not permitted by law to stop, detain or remove people they've found or suspect of shoplifting when you're entitled to do so in the UK.
That's because you aren't aware of how the US works? Even things like self defense laws can vary between states, and most stores try to avoid confrontation for insurance reasons (probably the reason why Santino Burrola was fired for just recording the license plates of people stealing >500 worth of merch). It also really depends on the local prosecutor, as some will give shoplifters a slap on the wrist while hammering down someone who makes a mistake in detaining a shoplifter.
New technology for anti-theft? (Score:2)
RFID tags are not new anti-theft technology. Hell, back about 10 years ago I kept setting off detectors in stores when I would walk out. Here to find out one of my shoes I had purchased a few days earlier had an RFID tag in it I didn't know about.
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There's an easy solution to this (Score:2)
You have one item out for display which has the anti-theft device on it. If someone wants to try it on the item is retrieved from a storage area and the person is allowed to try on only this one item. If the person wants to try something else, the first item gets put back before the second item comes out. Rinse and repeat.
Yes, it might not be customer friendly, but it will prevent theft.
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Defeat Zara Anti-theft in Three Words (Score:2)
Faraday Cage Bags
Zara? Literally never heard of them. (Score:2)
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Makes sense. It's a European store. They're all over Europe. I think I only ever seen one in the US. (Though a quick google search indicates there is one scheduled to open in my metro.)
How Zara Grew Into the Largest Fashion Retailer (Score:3)
How Zara Grew Into the World’s Largest Fashion Retailer
https://www.nytimes.com/2012/1... [nytimes.com]
"Today, however, even as Spain teeters on the edge of economic catastrophe, the Galician city La Coruña has attracted notice as the hometown of Amancio Ortega Gaona, the world’s third-richest man — he displaced Warren Buffett this year on the Bloomberg billionaire index — and the founder of a wildly successful fashion company, Inditex, more commonly known by its oldest and biggest brand, Zara
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Are they? Never heard of them.
This is a 'I still exist and am relevant' (Score:3)
I mean having RFID tags not be perfect is nothing new, so they tried some new way and it wasn't foolproof, shock surprise. Half the reason the other tags had some effectiveness is if people didn't know how to get them off without ripping it. Sure, it's not hard, but people of higher intelligence have more affective ways of getting clothing than stealing it off the shelf.
This is basically a post for advertising. 'Zara, look, we're still here and have problems and stuff. We exist! Acknowledge us!'
Let them (Score:2)
Let those fools loot luxury shops. The items have very small value, unlike food or toilet paper.
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What an odd comment, the more "luxury" robberies in the area the more other businesses in the area will just go away.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/05/29/stores-closing-cities-moving-suburbs/
Plus nobody steals the basics to use, just high value food (like steaks and meat) and non-perishables (like detergent) so they can flip them.