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Will Tech Layoffs Trigger a Wave of Unionization? (businessinsider.com) 181

An anonymous reader shared this report from Insider: The recent tsunami of tech layoffs could leave a wave of union organizing in its wake. That's according to Skylar Hinnant, a senior QA tester at Microsoft's ZeniMax, who supported a successful union campaign at the gaming unit of the software giant... Within tech companies, roles such as quality assurance testers and contractors are less revered, so those workers are more likely to unionize, Hinnant explained. "In these roles, people will be treated differently, it's sort of derogatory," he added.

Layoffs, cuts in perks, and other benefits, and a slowing of pay increases have marred the tech industry's reputation as a great place to work. That has kicked off a power struggle between employees and management. "When an employer lays off 16,000 employees in a day, that's a power play making employees realize how powerless they are," Rahul Dhaundiyal, a director of engineering at Indeed, told Insider... Dhaundiyal agreed with Hinnant that for lower-level tech workers the call to unionize rings louder. "In certain lower paid jobs where decision-making is top-down, where you are seen as a resource and not a human being to invest in, those kinds of roles end up maximizing disbalance and would unionize first," Dhaundiyal said.

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  • Nope (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:44PM (#63593906)

    Not while cheap labor from India or the Philippines can do your job for 1/4 of the cost. And if they aren't very good, they just hire more.

    • Re:Nope (Score:5, Insightful)

      by alexgieg ( 948359 ) <alexgieg@gmail.com> on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:27PM (#63593966) Homepage

      Not while cheap labor from India or the Philippines can do your job for 1/4 of the cost.

      That depends on how the laws are crafter. Cheap abroad work existed before the 1980s, and yet there was no job exporting from the US to those countries before that. Nor, for that matter, ultramegacorps with absurd levels of political power. Then a huge wave of deregulation happened, resulting in the destruction of US manufacturing, exporting of most of its jobs, extreme trickle up of wealth and power, and widespread stagnation of wages.

      The moment US workers decide to go back to the good, ol', conservative days of 1950s and early 1960s labor and business laws, cheap labor in other countries will go back into a grand total of zero negative impact on the US job market.

      One wonders when US conservatives will want that brand of conservatism back.

      • The moment US workers decide to go back to the good, ol', conservative days of 1950s and early 1960s labor and business laws, cheap labor in other countries will go back into a grand total of zero negative impact on the US job market.

        One wonders when US conservatives will want that brand of conservatism back.

        Well - what passes for conservatism in the USA toady has nothing to do with conservatism in the traditional sense.

        I'm a Barry Goldwater conservative, and that's considered left wing by today's crypto conservatives. Only it isn't.

        It's pretty simple. People are free to do pretty much as they wish with of course the reasonable societal strictures. The golden rule outlook Goldwater was very accepting of gays (he long advocated for gays serving in the military) and a woman's reproductive choice, and for co

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Employers would love you to think they can just replace you, that your labour is a commodity. In reality we know what usually happens when e.g. software development is farmed out to India. Nothing against the Indians or their work, but a remote team who doesn't understand the product, who only has a manager-written spec to go off, and who are on a fixed price contract just can't do a good job of it.

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  • Won't help (Score:4, Insightful)

    by pete6677 ( 681676 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:57PM (#63593924)

    Unionization does not prevent layoffs. It accelerates them. Companies can and do close entire locations to dodge unions quite often.

    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      That's because these companies are all too complacent in treating their "people resource" as just that, a resource that can be picked up and put down at a moment's notice.
      • In this economy, though, the same applies to jobs: It's a commodity to pick up and drop at a moment's notice.

    • Re:Won't help (Score:4, Interesting)

      by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:22PM (#63593956)

      The fact that companies fight tooth and nail to prevent unions tells you everything you need to know. It terrifies them if workers gain bargaining power. It’s especially bad in the USA with healthcare tied to employment.

      • by NuttyBee ( 90438 )

        Companies fight tooth and nail against unions because it costs them money. They fight tooth and nail against everything that costs them money. Its just how it works. Someone doesnt want to accept a smaller bonus, screw the workers.

        You are right though, healthcare tied to employment IS the only reason I remain at my current employer... (Who pays 90% of my $300 deductible PPO) The pay is marginal and I could make more, but I really like the current insurance setup. That and the PTO is generous..

        I don't th

        • This is why the universal healthcare we have here is akin to guns in the US: You can pry that from our dead, cold hands.

          Healthcare, and the fact that you have it whether you have a job or not, alone is an incredibly strong bargaining chip. So you don't employ me. Fine. As long as my money lasts, I'll be good. No worries about accidents or a sudden sickness that sends me into a financial tailspin. It won't. My expenses are pretty easy to plan. Even on the dole.

        • by ranton ( 36917 )

          You are right though, healthcare tied to employment IS the only reason I remain at my current employer... (Who pays 90% of my $300 deductible PPO) The pay is marginal and I could make more, but I really like the current insurance setup. That and the PTO is generous..

          This illustrates another reason why companies love having health care tied to an employer. People are usually bad at calculating the value of their benefits. That insurance you get is likely about $10k for individual and $30k for family. The average employer pays 78% of single coverage and 66% of family coverage, so your company benefit is worth between $1200 and $7200 (after taxes) more than an average employer yearly depending on whether you have family or single coverage.

          You shouldn't like your employer

      • by ranton ( 36917 )

        The fact that companies fight tooth and nail to prevent unions tells you everything you need to know.

        That isn't all you need to know. Companies would fight and nail to prevent anything which would hurt their competitiveness and potentially put them out of business. So just knowing companies fight against unions is not enough. You have to also be confident the union would not damage the business and/or workers of those businesses. I think unions are a net benefit in most cases, but it's still naïve and just plane wrong to think everything businesses hate is good for workers.

    • Unions are more than just a bargaining chip although they certainly are that. Unions are voting blocks. Companies still need labor whether they like it or not. In a global economy they will pit labor in one country against the labor in another to drive down wages as much as possible but you can only do that so much.

      You can of course bring in a ton of skilled labor as scabs but a union can organize it's members politically and put a stop to that.

      There are many many ways to organize workers to achieve
    • See here [theatlantic.com]

      In other words, management actually appears to have laid off union workers even more aggressively than non-union workers since the recession began. This relationship also holds for all workers, as non-union member employment declined by 4.2% while union member employment fell by 6.1%

      As the saying goes, reality has a well known liberal bias.

      • by Narrowband ( 2602733 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:38PM (#63594032)
        You just cited data that on its face shows that workers who were unionized were more likely to lose their jobs than those who weren't. I mean, that's the literal statement it makes. How does that support the argument that unions don't accelerate layoffs?

        I can maybe understand the idea that workers who are already unionized might have more bargaining power against layoffs than those who aren't. But in a situation where the layoffs happen first, the layoffs look like a sign that the company has more labor than it needs or wants, and is in a better situation than average to be able to afford to lose workers who want to unionize.
        • Union workers (Score:4, Insightful)

          by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @08:31PM (#63594078)
          had more job security during the pandemic [epi.org]

          Unionizing workers are more likely to be laid off. Union workers are _less_ likely

          Basically, while you're unionizing your vulnerable, largely due to law changes from the 80s and 90s that gutted unions.

          But once you're Unionized your much, much better protected. It's especially true for age discrimination cases. This is something I've personally witnessed when a school teacher I know was fired without cause. They were over 50, and it was stupidly obvious a case of age discrimination. The Union Got their job back.

          Every IT person on this forum is gonna hit 50 some day and find out what it's like to be without a Union and over 50 in IT, with the exception of a few working for Uncle Sam.
          • You don't need a union to protect from stupidly obvious age discrimination. There are an abundance of contingency-based lawyers (don't get paid unless they win) who will take these cases and recover a shitload of money from any company dumb enough to openly discriminate.

            As your own link confirmed, unionized workers are more likely to be laid off. As long as there are any union-free areas left, companies can locate there and leave the union-strongholds behind. Hence the existence of the American Rust Belt.

            • You have the money to keep a case going in court for decades? You could try to get class action but arbitration will prevent that. Your contingency base lawyer probably won't take the case. Ambulance chasers Chase ambulances. He's going to look at your arbitration clause and multiple Supreme Court cases and decide it's not worth his time

              Read the link. Workers in the active stage of unionization are at risk of layoffs because of illegal practices. Once you're actually unionized you're much less likely to
          • "Every IT person on this forum is gonna hit 50 some day and find out what it's like to be without a Union and over 50 in IT, with the exception of a few working for Uncle Sam."

            That's ridiculous. Every IT company is happy to find a senior willing to join them, regardless of age.

            • Every IT company here is happy to find anyone willing to join them. As long as you know that TCP ain't the Chinese secret service, you'll have a job.

          • by whitroth ( 9367 )

            Raises hand. And I went to the US NLRB website 10-12 yeas ago, and they had rules in place that made it next to impossible for computer professionals to form/join a union.

            Oh, yeah, I was "management", never mind that the only thing I ever managed were servers.

    • Should we prop up businesses that make something in such low demand or so inefficiently that they can't afford to pay union wages? No, let them close the factory. Good riddance.

  • Lol no (Score:5, Insightful)

    by memory_register ( 6248354 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @05:58PM (#63593928)
    Tech workers are far too libertarian in their thinking. Unions are already a bad deal for workers except public unions, so I do not think devs and ops guys are going to take such a bad deal.

    Amazon warehouse workers might. Coders, no.
    • Amazon warehouse workers require someone to physically be there, so it makes sense. Meanwhile "tech workers" can just be replaced with a horde of low-wage Indians, and they don't have to cross the picket line.

    • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:28PM (#63593968)
      It's that we think we're fucking geniuses. As a tech person you often spend a lot of your time explaining tech to extremely stupid people and it gives you a big head. Watching your manager hunt and peck keyboard or a non-technical coworker unable to figure out how to format a column in an Excel spreadsheet makes you feel like a genius by comparison. That in turn makes us think we're somehow irreplaceable.
      • by gander666 ( 723553 ) * on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:44PM (#63593990) Homepage
        I can't believe it, I agree with rsilvergun. It is a Christmas Miracle.
      • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

        Good developers do a lot more than just competently write code though.

        One of the major issues with Agile is that it focuses on short term results. It's very easy to end up investing a lot of time building many small parts that are inflexible, only to discover later on that the whole architecture is bad or that the stakeholders and some big change that means a substantial re-write.

        One of the reasons why a lot of software is terrible is that it was written based on a management spec by a contractor. Two peopl

    • Re:Lol no (Score:5, Interesting)

      by Beryllium Sphere(tm) ( 193358 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:02PM (#63594008) Journal

      How is, e.g., the Screen Actor's Guild a bad deal?

      A Streep or Schwarzenegger can ask what they want, and everyone else gets protected against outright predation.

      Decades ago, someone writing about a large tech company wrote something close to "I've begun to hear about good people getting screwed by political middle managers and HR bureaucrats". Skill and merit don't protect against that. A union can.

    • Tech workers are far too libertarian in their thinking. Unions are already a bad deal for workers except public unions, so I do not think devs and ops guys are going to take such a bad deal.

      Tech workers are probably more libertarian than the general populace but that ain't saying much. Near as I can tell, the California and even Texas tech companies are hotbeds of progressivism.

      Thing is, most tech workers don't feel a strong worker/management divide. Lots of people move back and forth and there are lots of blurred reporting lines. I'm an architect: I set direction but don't have reports. Does that make me management?

      All that being said, unionization certainly seems on an upswing after a decade

      • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

        by cayenne8 ( 626475 )

        Personally, I'd be fine with someone joining a union, just don't force me to join too. I'm perfectly happy negotiating my compensation and job responsibilities on my own, thank you very much.

        Unfortunately, in the US, you do not get that choice if the place goes unionized.

        I think the term is "closed shop" for this.

        But if an industry or company is unionized, if you want a job there, you ARE forced to join the union.

        In my head that doesn't seem legal...but that's the way the law reads in most of the US.

    • by Nugoo ( 1794744 )

      Unions are already a bad deal for workers except public unions, so I do not think devs and ops guys are going to take such a bad deal.

      Unions are good for workers (and everyone else). They're like vaccines, in that the benefits are so huge and widespread that people forget what life was like before them. Weekends, work days shorter than 12 hours, workplace safety requirements, child labour laws, etc. All thanks to unions.

  • I hope not (Score:2, Informative)

    by backslashdot ( 95548 )

    I'm in tech. Tech is overpaid as is. No way a tech worker does harder work than someone flipping burgers. Why should someone sitting at a desk moving a mouse around and clattering on a keyboard get paid more than a fast food worker? Or retail .. can you imagine working in retail .. tolerating BS from customers? Hell no.

    You need to think what you want to bias rewards towards. Productivity, societal benefit, individual freedom, or something else?

    • Re:I hope not (Score:4, Insightful)

      by ArchieBunker ( 132337 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:41PM (#63593988)

      If the permanent "help wanted" signs on every fast food restaurant are any indication then I'd say most people did indeed get better jobs. Of course now the people bitching that the restaurant didn't open are going to claim "no one wants to work anymore". If no one bothers to work for what you're paying then the problem isn't everyone, it's you. There's a Dollar General down the street from me. It's now closed more than it's open. Once it was closed for over a week. I was sure someone was going to break in and empty the place out.

      • There's a Dollar General down the street from me. It's now closed more than it's open. Once it was closed for over a week. I was sure someone was going to break in and empty the place out.

        Sure, they could loot the entire store with nobody around, and make as much as $50 or even $100!

    • Re:I hope not (Score:4, Insightful)

      by TheStatsMan ( 1763322 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:00PM (#63594004)

      > No way a tech worker does harder work than someone flipping burgers.

      When did this become the measurement for what someone is paid? OP has no idea why wagers are what they are, not in tech, not in any field.

    • Re:I hope not (Score:5, Informative)

      by kurkosdr ( 2378710 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:29PM (#63594024)
      It's not a matter of how hard you work, it's a matter of how easy you are to replace (which in turn is determined by supply and demand). If your job is to flip burgers, anyone can learn to do that in half a day, so you are readily replaceable (and there are tons of people willing to do the job precisely because it doesn't require any specialized knowledge). As a software developer, knowing where to move the mouse and what to clatter on a keyboard is something not everyone can do, so you are much harder to replace.
      • It's more than that. Whether you're replaceable is sort of like the difference between generic and monopoly pricing; but there's still a second major factor in play: how much value your job adds to the company.
      • by dstwins ( 167742 )
        You are almost right..

        Its a matter of how easy you are to replace to MANAGEMENT.. (which rarely deals in facts).. Management/HR feels ANYONE is replaceable and expendable.. The workers KNOW they are not.. So THAT disconnect is the issue.. If management truly understood how dependent they are on their labor force and the skills/abilities they posses, they would be slower to aim to replace/outsource/Automate people.. but the fact that they believe anyone/everyone is replaceable, means as far as they are conc
        • Nope, one of the things management/HR knows very well is how hard it is to replace someone because they deal with it every day. That's why the janitor gets paid minimum wage or is outsourced to some third-party company that pays minimum wage while the software developer gets paid better.
      • Like in the old joke where someone came to fix something, hit it with a hammer and charged 5000 bucks.

        Asked for a detailed invoice, he gave:

        Hammer wear and tear: 1 dollar.
        Knowing where to hit that thing: 4999 dollars.

    • Why should someone sitting at a desk moving a mouse around and clattering on a keyboard get paid more than a fast food worker?

      Because busting ass in high school for four years deferring "fun" things, then deferring 4+ years of income to graduate from college needs to be offset by a higher lifetime ROI in order to get people to work on software projects at all. Of course, you're free to debate how much that higher lifetime ROI should be. (I'm generally inclined to think that it's too high as well.)

    • Salary has nothing to do with working “harder”. It has to do with scarcity of skillset and value to the company. Anyone can do manual labor and retail work, that’s why it pays so low. You can pick up almost any Joe/Jane off the street and they can dig a ditch or work a checkout at a convenience store. If you are looking for a particular set of skills, there are not nearly as many Liam Neeson’s, and most of them will already be employed by someone else so you will offer a competitive

    • Said the tier 1 help-desk worker with no idea what skilled workers do for a living.

    • Supply and demand.

    • I'm in tech. Tech is overpaid as is. No way a tech worker does harder work than someone flipping burgers. Why should someone sitting at a desk moving a mouse around and clattering on a keyboard get paid more than a fast food worker? Or retail .. can you imagine working in retail .. tolerating BS from customers?

      You are worth exactly as much as you can get someone to pay you, period.

      It takes virtually no skills to flip a burger...it takes skills to do coding.

      It's easy to find a LARGE pool of people with n

      • It takes virtually no skills to flip a burger...it takes skills to do coding.

        You've obviously never eaten in a Waffle House or similar diner type where the grill area is visible to the eating area.

        Watching an experienced short order cook work a grill during a rush is a thing to be appreciated. It takes amazing skill to keep orders straight, get them cooked properly, and have everything ready at one time for just one order, much less one table or 10 tables nearly simultaneously. Especially places like Waffle House where the orders are called out by the wait staff and the cook may n

  • Nope... (Score:4, Informative)

    by sarren1901 ( 5415506 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:21PM (#63593950)

    Not a chance. The average techie has a superiority complex (often times earned) that they are way to special to need a money taking union to advocate for them.

    Admittedly, many techies are this good and don't need a union. It entirely depends on what exactly your skill set is and how good at your stuff you actually are.

    Of course, if everyone was THAT good, this wouldn't even be a question, now would it?

    • I have a special skill set that makes me kinda irreplaceable. I'd still want to see a union happen. And yes, I'd join it. Exactly because it's fairly impossible to fire me. It would certainly give the rest of the bunch a lot more bargaining leverage.

      You reach a point in your career when money doesn't matter anymore, and neither does getting "somewhere" in your career. You have seen it all, you have done it all. But leaving a legacy, that would be kinda nice.

      It's not like any of the stuff I make will allow m

      • You reach a point in your career when money doesn't matter anymore

        Hmm...unless I were to reach "Lottery Winner" levels of compensation for my job, I don't see that ever becoming true for me.

        I like money, it's the only reason I work....if I had enough to quit and live my lifestyle I want, I'd leave skid marks out the door.....

        • "You see, I'm a guy of simple taste. I enjoy dynamite, and gunpowder, and gasoline! And you know the thing they have in common? They're cheap."

          --Heath Ledger as The Joker

          Now, my tastes are a little bit less volatile, but what they have in common with Joker's delights is the price tag. I don't need a lot of money to be happy, so why should I try to hunt after it when it's basically being thrown my way anyway?

  • by rsilvergun ( 571051 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:35PM (#63593980)
    Gen M&Z have virtually no property. And contrary to what the boomers say they're not happy about it. Gen x isn't doing all that hot either. Ordinarily and historically when the working class is in this bad of shape you get a new deal. But the older generations are blocking that.

    Those older generations are about to age out of politics and voting. Nursing home residents don't vote. The GOP has been trying to get them to for decades and can't do it. For whatever reason when somebody's stuck in a nursing home waiting to die they stop voting. And that's not even talking about the ones who aren't waiting anymore.

    This is the demographic change that idiot pundits have been talking about for 25 years. And it's going to happen in the next two elections cycles.

    The people at the top though have had a good run and don't want to give up even one red cent to the help. I expect them to try and install a dictator again like they did back on January 6th. It looks like their current candidate is Ron DeSantis, who if you do a little googling you'll find is building a small private army down in Florida while getting cozy with the military. Similar to what Putin did back in the day.

    We're at a crossroads. It's time to decide if we're going to be a free Democratic state like the Scandinavian countries or if we're going to be a dystopian hell hole like Russia and China. The next two election cycles will decide that.

    Speaking of China they've got a name for this sort of thing. Interesting times.
    • The oldest Generation Z is 25, a bit young to have significant property. The Millennials got whacked by the GFC.

      You're not the only one thinking we are at a crossroads.

      https://www.mauldineconomics.c... [mauldineconomics.com]

    • Pretty spot on.

      I'm going on 50, but in my line of work, I'm the grandpa. Seriously, nobody around me is older than 30. And there's a curious way of thinking among these people, very "alien" to my generation: They didn't just leave the rat race, they flipped it off.

      These kids realized something very quickly: I don't have to save up for a house. I will never be able to afford one. Back when my generation wanted houses, mortgages were easy to get. Banks pretty much advertised with young couples who had fuck al

    • For whatever reason when somebody's stuck in a nursing home waiting to die they stop voting. And that's not even talking about the ones who aren't waiting anymore.

      Great, now how do we convince the people not in a nursing home but still at death's door to stop voting? They don't have to deal with the consequences of their actions, but the rest of us do.

      Also, how do we keep the people who should be in a nursing home by now from running for office? For the same reason.

    • Those older generations are about to age out of politics and voting.

      Thankfully...the millennials, now growing up and having to manage jobs and households are becoming more conservative.

  • by Dereck1701 ( 1922824 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @06:49PM (#63593994)

    "Will Tech Layoffs Trigger a Wave of Unionization?"

    Only if those unions are planning to not exist, along with their host business, in a few years. Unions CAN have a positive effect under limited circumstances. Such as when a strong business is exploiting its position (usually a monopoly / duopoly) to unfairly suppress the labour market. However when it is a struggling business, either due to business/industry specific issues or an overall economic downturn, the only thing unionization does is hasten the collapse of the business.

  • Unions are good (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Baron_Yam ( 643147 ) on Sunday June 11, 2023 @07:44PM (#63594038)

    We've forgotten their benefits because for so long we've been inundated with images of thugs on picket lines, been told stories of how unions are protecting bad workers, etc... but you know what? Management has an entire company with them, and if it's individual employees against the company, they lose every time.

    Unions are a way of giving employees a similar level of power when approaching the negotiation table. Unions are ALSO a way of making sure everyone is fairly paid - you don't have to be the brassy boss's pet to get a decent raise, you get paid by your job category and your experience. Would it hurt for an annual performance bonus to be part of that for exceptional workers? No.

    Unions also help stop management using HR and legal to destroy someone they don't like for whatever reason just to get rid of them. Which is something some managers will do without losing a wink of sleep.

    • Re:Unions are good (Score:5, Informative)

      by Todd Knarr ( 15451 ) on Monday June 12, 2023 @12:11AM (#63594392) Homepage

      Also to note: unions weren't the ones who introduced thugs to the picket lines. Employers did that when they hired the Pinkerton Detective Agency and turned them loose to break up strikes. The fallout from that was so bad that Pinkerton became the only company forbidden by name from ever doing work for the Federal government, with the prohibition extending even to their employees (5 USC 3108 [house.gov]).

      • Thanks, I never realized that. I find it remarkable, so I looked it up. Short and sweet. Originally from 1893, they felt no need to change anything but the language in 1966.

        3108. Employment of detective agencies; restrictions

        An individual employed by the Pinkerton Detective Agency, or similar organization, may not be employed by the Government of the United States or the government of the District of Columbia.

        (Pub. L. 89– 554, Sept. 6, 1966, 80 Stat. 416.)
        Historical and Revision Notes Derivation U.S. Code Revised Statutes and
        The prohibition is restated in positive form.

        Statutes at Large
        5 U.S.C. 53. Mar. 3, 1893, ch. 208 (5th par. under "Public Buildings"), 27 Stat. 591.

        OG cancel culture.

  • Tech has needed a union for decades. But the techies think themselves too good to employ the tactics of blue collar factory workers, so they won't do it. They will instead suffer. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch.

  • Employers hate unions. Do you know the other group that hates unions?

    Republicans/Fascists

    • by Keick ( 252453 )

      This is just my personal experience; I'm a well paid embedded developer (missile launchers, not iphones) and I worked a couple year contract at a nearby ammunition plant which was unionized. I only mention "well paid" for contrast FWIW.

      I used to be asked to move white boards around, sometimes even reconfigure desk partitions, and other manual labor type tasks. And I gladly did it, because the alternative was much much worse. Certain employee's in the union where the ONLY folks authorized to move any equipme

  • The test will be to see if ChatGPT, Bard, Bing, and all AI will decide to unionize. Whoa! First they take our jobs and then they take all the money. Diabolical.
  • I thought they had completely done away with them? Or is it that gamers are less tolerant of defective software than OS and office-package users?

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