Hack the Pump: Rising Prices Lead To More Reports of Gas Theft (nbcnews.com) 113
With gas prices at record highs in the U.S. in recent months, some people have turned to hacking the pump. From a report: Since prices spiked in March, police have arrested at least 22 people across the country for either digitally manipulating computers that manage gas pumps or installing homemade devices to discount their fuel, according to an NBC News review of police and local news reports.
The most common tactics aren't technologically sophisticated. Gas hackers take advantage of the fact that gas pump equipment in the U.S. is heavily standardized and largely relies on a handful of manufacturers that often don't include strong security protections. And some of the hacking tools are easily available online for purchase. While there's no formal law enforcement metric to measure the trend, 1 in 4 convenience-store gas station owners say fuel thefts have been rising since March, said Jeff Lenard, a vice president of the National Association of Convenience Stores, an industry group.
The most common tactics aren't technologically sophisticated. Gas hackers take advantage of the fact that gas pump equipment in the U.S. is heavily standardized and largely relies on a handful of manufacturers that often don't include strong security protections. And some of the hacking tools are easily available online for purchase. While there's no formal law enforcement metric to measure the trend, 1 in 4 convenience-store gas station owners say fuel thefts have been rising since March, said Jeff Lenard, a vice president of the National Association of Convenience Stores, an industry group.
Thanks for the tip. (Score:1, Funny)
Off I go to find me some discounts.
Re:Thanks for the tip. (Score:4, Insightful)
I drive a big gas guzzling jeep.
Buying a gas guzzler hasn't been a mark of intelligence since 1973.
Re:Thanks for the tip. (Score:4, Interesting)
Buying a gas guzzler hasn't been a mark of intelligence since 1973.
The 70's brought us 5.0 liter V8s with 170 horsepower. Not our finest hour. Things have improved a lot since, now some make over 450HP. Much more fun and better fuel economy to boot. For people who have jobs and can afford fun things, anyway.
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A 300 HP muscle car isn't even very expensive.
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Also in the 70s the autos were so heavy that you needed a V8 just to get them to move.
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Cars today are generally heavier...or so I thought (and was mostly correct). Bit of google and...
Cars trended towards being heavier up till ~1975 (peaked ~4000lbs) when the gas crisis pushed smaller, lighter, and less powerful cars into popularity. Then, over the years, safety, luxury, and other features have pushed the average weight back up to above the mid-70s average peak weight...despite the use of thinner body panels, plastics, etc. And of course engines are both much more efficient and significan
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Oooh, Ezekiel saw the wheels, way up in the middle of the air.
landing gear of an airplane (Score:2)
That was the landing gear of an airplane, not car wheels
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It was specifically a B-36 that fell into a time warp. Ezekie described it exactly as 6 turning and 4 burning.
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I can get up to 28MPG (average) in my 2018 Grand Cherokee. That is way better than the 10-12 I have gotten in my older Jeeps.
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That was disappointingly low. Were Grand Cherokees a notoriously bloated Indian tribe, who couldn't climb onto their own horses when they fell off?
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Buying a gas guzzler hasn't been a mark of intelligence since 1973.
for those with the means to choose a car, it's mostly a matter of taste.
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Wait. Some moron modded this up? Someone ... actually thinks that you need to replace the whole car because the battery will somehoe lose significant capacity after just a couple years? Wow. That's pretty stupid.
The average EV battery is going to be at about 80% after 10 years of regular use. You can also just replace the battery. This isn't hard, people.
Exploits in the Article (Score:5, Informative)
2. Some device installed in the cabinet to slow the meter.
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2. Some device installed in the cabinet to slow the meter.
... and cabinet opened (during off hours) using a key easily found for sale online.
So now we have a 2 sentence summary of the whole article :-)
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There used to be a completely legal way to get cheap petrol in the UK.
Back in the 1970s some special commemorative £50 coins were issued. They are legal tender but so rare that many places don't accept them. As such they used to sell on eBay for about £30.
Thing is, most shops only offer to sell you something until they accept payment, and if they don't accept your legal tender then too bad. But petrol stations work the other way around, you fill up first and are then indebted to the
Re:Exploits in the Article (Score:4, Informative)
petrol stations work the other way around, you fill up first and are then indebted to the owner. As such, they are legally obliged to accept any legal tender to settle your debt.
Not in the USA... Here it is: pay first, fill up, get change. Even if you pay by card at the pump, it pre-authorizes an amount, and then after you fill up, it finalizes the transaction as the actual amount and releases the pre-authorization amount. All to keep people from gassing up and driving off without paying.
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Almost as if commentary on a US website about an article from a US news site about happenings in the US is US centric.
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What's that, Lassie? "Nerds" are a species only found in America?
Who told you that?
And the only stuff that matters happens in America (therefore, there are no global effects for anything)? Again, that's bollocks.
Lassie, better stick to pushing Timmy down the well, you're not much good at dealing with the wider world.
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Did they? I don't remember that. And I was alive at the time and can remember the change of coinage that came with decimalisation. A £50 commemorative coin in the 1970s would have been most of a week's wages in one coin, so definitely not intended for circulation.
A few years ago, I got onto a nice little deal. The Mint (the one in Wales, not the bullshit artists in Tristan da Cunha who advertise on the telly) were is
Probably a stupid question but (Score:1)
Given that Americans call petrol 'gas' and given that actual gas prices and delivery are so much in the news, what words do Americans use about e.g. European reliance on Russian gas to be clear they don't mean petrol, or is it all interpreted based on context?
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And please remember that MPG is measured in Furlongs Per Fortnight
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Americans use "gasoline" for petrol and "gas" for gas, but shorten "gasoline" to "gas".
Kind of like BrE now stupidly only has "have got" to express "to have" and "to have received", while AmE has retained "have gotten" to highlight the distinction. Sometimes AmE is better, sometimes BrE is better...
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Jee-zus... parsing words. Grammar is important. Know Your Shit or Know You're Shit.
And all that.... yet, to a certain extent, it's all semantics. If you've ever studied a 2nd language, you prolly know linguistic proficiency is a tool to belittle the novices.
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you prolly know linguistic proficiency is a tool to belittle the novices
That's what people who can't be bothered to improve their proficiency invented to shift the blame to someone else. The rest of us just Know You're Shit.
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Since "the rest" is singular, shouldn't it be "The rest of us just knows you're shit?"
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Given that Americans call petrol 'gas' and given that actual gas prices and delivery are so much in the news, what words do Americans use about e.g. European reliance on Russian gas to be clear they don't mean petrol, or is it all interpreted based on context?
Here in Canada there is natural gas and gasoline. So yeah, using "gas" for short totally depends on context.
Given petrol is probably short for petroleum it's probably good you don't use it for any of the other myriad petroleum products.
Re: Probably a stupid question but (Score:2)
Agreed. In the US you put gas (petrol) in your car and you cook on a gas (natural gas) stove. All context.
When I hear about gas pipelines in reference to Europe/Russia, I assume natural gas. If they say "oil" I assume that's heavier liquids in one form or another. Not sure about LPG or natural gas liquids.
Re: Probably a stupid question but (Score:2)
I've seen the liquid versions as acronyms primarily (LNG for liquefied natural gas for example).
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I've never heard of a gasoline pipeline.
Well, then let me introduce you to the concept.
https://www.eia.gov/energyexpl... [eia.gov]
Most gasoline moves from refineries through pipelines to large storage terminals near consuming areas.
Re: Probably a stupid question but (Score:2)
Also a map of refined liquids pipeline:
https://www.api.org/oil-and-na... [api.org]
There is a matter of economy involved in how to move gasoline, and there is tanker truck filling and ship loading at some refineries (along the gulf). But if you've ever driven by large gasoline storage tanks inland, and you don't see a massive refinery next to them, that gasoline didn't get there by truck or boat.
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It doesn't even get any easier in Dutch, where petrol translates to "benzine". Want to take a guess as to what benzene translates to? "Benzeen"
It's even funnier given how little benzeen is actually in benzine. :-)
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Typical pumps offer two octane ratings of unleaded gas ...
At least in the Southeast, I'd say that three octane ratings is typical.
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I suspect we can look forward to more security cam videos of idiots setting themselves on fire as they attempt to drill through and siphon gas tanks.
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Major scale idiocy too - Most modern vehicles have plastic fuel tanks, and have done for years. (By the time you've got enough fuel leaking from the delivery system to make melting the tank an issue, you're in major shit already.) Older vehicles, with metal (ie, rust-prone) tanks were generally vulnerable to a wrench for removing the ("locking") filler cap, then just syphon away.
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I'm guessing when the cost of driving doesn't leave enough money to put food on the table at the end of the month.
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Most likely we're talking about organized criminals who steal in large volumes and sell "cheap gas" on the street. Same as organized shoplifting or warehouse/transport truck/train thefts.
That kind of theft costs money to execute, and the logic is simple: if legal gas at the pump is $4 but it costs you 3.99 to steal it, you will lose money selling it on the street. But if legal gas at the pump is $5, you can steal it for 4 and sell it for 4.50 and people for whom the extra dollar *is* a burden will buy it fr
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Most likely we're talking about organized criminals who steal in large volumes and sell "cheap gas" on the street.
That seems difficult to do with gas though. Are they really selling it by the can to people, who then take it home and empty it into their car? Seems awkward, and the can would add too much expense, so you'd have to do some sort of empty-for-full can swap like you do with propane tanks. Otherwise you'd need to have a gas station to distribute it, and now you're probably not talking about selling it below market value to ordinary people, but rather to a shady station own who is willing to look the other way
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Considering that prices have been falling, not rising, for the past month, this whole article smells like a load of clickbait horse shit.
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Re: LIARS! Gas prices spiked in 2020! (Score:2)
So they had a time machine and spiked the gas prices before taking office?
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Current record high gas prices are almost entirely the fault of this current administration of festering corruption.
Liars. In fact, the gas cost surge is international
They shut down energy production on day one of their infestation.
Liar, over 3000 permits to drill are lying idle thanks to oil company demands for$100 / bbl for fracking tar to save the remaining fracking outlets
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Hey! Don't let facts contradict my opinions I heard on Fox News!
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Liars. In fact, the gas cost surge is international
Yes, the oil industry is international, and a constraint on supply causes knock on effects world wide...glad you understand these things...
Liar, over 3000 permits to drill are lying idle thanks to oil company demands for$100 / bbl for fracking tar to save the remaining fracking outlets
All of them are either awaiting pipeline permits being held up by the EPA, or there is no oil in those plots to pump.
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If the cost of gasoline at the pumps had any real relationship to the cost of crude oil why has the price at the pumps for gasoline more than doubled but the price of crude hasn't? Could it possibly be that the gas and oil companies are using the current state of affairs to price gouge?
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Liar, over 3000 permits to drill are lying idle thanks to oil company demands for$100 / bbl for fracking tar to save the remaining fracking outlets
All of them are either awaiting pipeline permits being held up by the EPA, or there is no oil in those plots to pump.
Prove that, liar.
That is soooo stupid.... (Score:4, Informative)
Soo, a potential felony hacking charge with some other stuff on top on the minus side.
On the plus side, some cheap gas, but not that much.
Setting: You drive there in your car which has two fucking license plates, with most gas stations having cameras and your theft is in the logs of the pumping station at the very least indirectly. In addition, you likely forgot to switch off your cell phone. The mind boggles. Most criminals really are stupid.
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Most criminals are really desperate. Poor people make decisions they believe are profitable based on illogical assumptions.
Imagining you'll get away with credit card abuse (charging to a card not in your name), or a well photographed gas and diesel theft, in this era of ubiquitous cameras, is the stuff of faith in the improbable... it's statistically likely the offender is desperate or a man of faith. Or both.
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Indeed. Being poor sucks badly and most people did not get there because they are very smart to begin with.
I am not implying in any way this is deserved. Nobody should ever be so poor that stealing looks like a viable option. That is dark-ages stuff.
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Most criminals are really desperate
Are they? This sounds like an assumption. It doesn't match the criminals I've known.
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The mind boggles. Most criminals really are stupid.
On the other hand:
Roughly 22 people caught.
Out of how many stealing gas?
"1 in 4 convenience-store gas station owners say fuel thefts have been rising since March"
The American Petroleum Institute says there are over 145,000 gas stations across the US.
25% would be over 36,000 stations.
Each station had more than one theft, otherwise the number wouldn't be rising.
22 out of 36000 is already low odds of being caught, and this is incorrectly assuming one theft per station reporting "thefts have been rising since M
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There is an obvious alternative: The article is mostly speculation and/or 1 in 4 gas station owners are lying to pollsters.
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The 22 people mentioned were specifically caught hacking the pumps. That 1 in 4 gas station figure is almost surely referring almost entirely to people driving off without paying (for those stations that don't requirement payment first) or paying with a stolen credit card.
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Fuel theft has been a significant problem for a long time (in the UK at least) and all the ANPR and enforcement (threats) have long since proven to be of limited effect. 1 easy to find (probably biased) source: https://certasenergy.co.uk/new... [certasenergy.co.uk]
And that was before the price of fuel nearly doubled.
At least one source alleged this wss because the balance of offence to probability of investigation (and then, eventually, prosecution) was considered out of whack.
So it might be stupid, but it is lucrative and folk
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So ... folks steal the car, leave their phone at home (or use a burner - lol ... ironic term that one), and then hit several fuel stations in series syphoning the fuel out of the stolen vehicle between each theft and sell it on ...
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If they are piling crime on crime, why not simply kill the gas-station operator, take as much gas as they want from that one and then burn it down? Sounds more efficient to me...
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Errr, because this is not America. (Well, it may be for American users, but it's not for non-American users), You've just exchanged multiple counts of theft (each of ~£100) which would attract a few months jail time, tops (if caught) for one count of murder, which would be 15 years sentence and lifetime threat of recall to jail, plus a far more intense investigation.
So, you've located and obtained a tanker t
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Don't give up the day job for a life of crime. You've not thought this through well.
You seem to be sarcasm-challenged...
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Plus, of course, when reading comments like that on a website with a high proportion of American users, it is not obviously sarcasm. As far as the rest of the world can tell, that may genuinely be the average opinion of the "man on the Brooklyn omnibus [wikipedia.org]". "Kill first, ask questions later" is very much the way that Americans present themselves to the rest of the world.
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Soo, a potential felony hacking charge with some other stuff on top on the minus side.
On the plus side, some cheap gas, but not that much.
Setting: You drive there in your car which has two fucking license plates, with most gas stations having cameras and your theft is in the logs of the pumping station at the very least indirectly. In addition, you likely forgot to switch off your cell phone. The mind boggles. Most criminals really are stupid.
Erm, people aren't necessarily stupid, many are just desperate.
This is what happens when a lot of people are kept in poverty. There aren't enough resources to police it (otherwise there will be resources to prevent poverty in the first place).
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But too honest for politics.
Which is why a lot of the time this is done using a stolen vehicle. Which you then take to some "quiet" (ie, no cameras, or neighbours) location, decant the stolen fuel into some other vehicle or tank and dispatch the stolen vehicle to hit another "gas" station. (See also phone point below.)
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MAGA T-shirt *AND* a face mask? Now *that's* suspicious!
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Ours just dropped below 4 bucks (Score:1)
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The only reason its been around 3 bucks a gallon in recent history was exactly the shutdown, low demand means low sales. Even IF they open the taps to full tilt in the USA it will never fall below 3$ a gallon, that ship has long sailed. The entire reason I moved to the town I live in now was to cut commute mileage and reduce gas consumption as at the time it was 3.60 ish a gallon then (its currently 3.80 here right now) ... that was 2009
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The only reason its been around 3 bucks a gallon in recent history was exactly the shutdown,
Not really. [eia.gov]. Regular gas was pretty flat around $3.00 per gallon since 2016. Until 2021. Before, during and after the Covid shutdown. Then something happened in 2021.
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Lockdowns ended, people started driving to work again, plants that produced gas weren't running at the capacities needed. Not really any mystery.
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But even more importantly, oil companies stopped investing. They see the writing on the wall, electric vehicles are hanging around as they're extremely practical vehicles for a good chunk of the population. Cheaper to operate, cheaper to maintain, electric infrastructure is everywhere, even though the charging infrastructure isn't, but that's a sign of things to co
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Electric? You practically fuel the thing with what you already have at home. Even better, the fuelling sites for EVs don't turn into a hazmat situation that requires cleanup.
Where does the electricity for the car at home come from?
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Usually not from oil or gasoline.
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Comes from the grid which is a mixture of power sources including some clean and some fossil fuels, but the fossil fuel sources have much better controls and filtering than your typical car
Re:Ours just dropped below 4 bucks (Score:4, Interesting)
The mining of the battery and disposal of it will become the equivalent of a SuperFund site in the future.
Lithium mining is not that bad [mckinsey.com].
As for disposal, companies like Redwood Materials [redwoodmaterials.com] are working on recycling EV battery packs, and other battery packs such as cell phone or laptop batteries. We won't be disposing of batteries... we will be recycling them.
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Stop lying to people [scientificamerican.com].
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Current price in the UK is about £1.80 per litre for unleaded petrol. That's roughly $8.20 per US gallon. Diesel is just under £2 per litre - $9.00 per US gallon. I don't think you've too much to complain about with your prices.
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You did know (or not - quite possibly) that the normal lifetime for an oil well is in the 5-15 years range, maybe needing a "work-over" every 5-7 years. You don't need to be continually drilling new wells to continue producing - you need to be drilling new wells to replace the entire oil fields that you've drained to the point of unprofitability. And that has a lead time of several years from seismic to production to surface, in the best of circumstances.
The easiest way to steal gas... (Score:2)
...is drilling the tank [youtube.com]
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...is drilling the tank [youtube.com]
Wanna bet the thief will also sue the company for false advertising?
Where was the "fire protection" when he needed it most? :P
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A sign of just how stupid this all is (Score:2)
Americans driving such gas guzzlers that they resort to stealing petrol when it's priced less than the normal price of petrol in Europe.
If there's a sign you bought the wrong frigging car, this is it. Try paying $12/gal. Or $10/gal since the exchange rate has tanked.
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Average UK gas prices for one gallon of gas (18th July 2022):
USD / US gallon : $8.71 a gallon
USD / UK gallon : $10.46 a gallon
Still quite a bit higher than the highest spots inside the USA, but not quite as much as it seems when looking at just prices per gallon without accounting for the differences in gallon sizes.
https://www.globalpetrolprices... [globalpetrolprices.com]
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I did. At no point have I ever used UK gallon as a metric. Nor compared the price of gasoline in the UK.
For the record I paid $9.6/US gallon the other day, and that's despite the EUR / USD exchange rate dropping by 20% and my country completely suspending all taxes on gasoline. I.e. We got to $10/gallon through heavy government intervention and it would have been $12/gallon normally.
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