Hong Kong Considers Blocking Telegram As Part of Crackdown On Doxing (ibtimes.sg) 25
Hong Kong is planning a ban on the Telegram messaging service, which is widely used by pro-democracy activists. International Business Times reports: Local media reported that the ban on Telegram was being considered as a means to crack down on rampant doxing, under which pro-democracy campaigners are exposing online sensitive personal data of government officials and citizens. Hong Kong's privacy commissioner for personal data might decide in favor of blocking or restricting access to Telegram in the first such move, the Sing Tao Daily reported, according to Bloomberg. The execution of such a ban would mean that the former British colony has taken a step closer to China-style smothering of personal and civil liberties.
Not pro democracy (Score:5, Insightful)
Doxing is not pro democracy.
Doxing is putting personal pressure on someone outside of the arena of political discourse, attempting to sway someone with threats outside of the voting process.
It satisfies the definition of evil: you're doing to someone else something that would cause you distress if done to you, and you don't need to do it for your own survival.
This is true whether it's done to in Hong Kong, or here to the US supreme court. Causing misery in others is not part of the democratic process, nor is it a protected right, nor is it a good.
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resisting tyranny and targeting your oppressors is very much pro-democracy you stupid fuck.
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"Causing misery in others is not part of the democratic process"
Literally, Democracy is majority rule without regard to actual personal things. How the fuck are you older than me and don't understand this, yet?
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It sounds like you have something to hide. Why support corruption?
What is wrong with full transparency? Identify, finances, everything. Everyone would be accountable to everyone else, publicly.
Re: Not pro democracy (Score:5, Informative)
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But if the modern society & technology makes it easy to identify the harasser..? The point is, everyone is held accountable.
Oh no they're not! - I await your response ;)
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But if the modern society & technology makes it easy to identify the harasser..? The point is, everyone is held accountable.
That's unrealistic. It's not how people think. Even if an ugly story about someone is immediately debunked, it will stick in the back of people's minds.
(That said, I have no problem with doxxing police that violate human rights in the course of duty. Get a job with more integrity or be forced to own up to the things you do. Some good people will be caught in the crossfire, but on the whole the HK judicial system isn't acting morally anymore.)
Re:Not pro democracy (Score:5, Insightful)
There is a political element to this -
>pro-democracy campaigners are exposing online sensitive personal data of government officials and citizens
The subtext being that government officials want to hide behind anonymity. Government officials (and those funding or instructing them from the Liaison Office with edicts direct from Beijing) shouldn't be afforded anonymity.
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China does dictate, but I doubt it micro-manages. That's too much work. If anything, the HK officials are better situated to micro-manages on behalf of the Chinese party than anybody less local.
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Doxing is not pro democracy... ...Causing misery in others is not part of the democratic process, nor is it a protected right, nor is it a good.
Yep. This. Wanna bet the CIA is behind this too? (The CIA has a long history of these kinds of campaigns around the world.) Imagine if Chinese spies were providing tactical & material support to groups in the USA in order to dox public officials in order to destabilise US society (any more than it already is) to China's advantage. How do you think Washington would respond?
Your def. of doxing is not their def. of doxing (Score:3)
We should put things into context. What triggers the HK government to worry about "doxing" so much in a sudden? (They already have mighty National Security Law that can prosecute anyone anywhere who dare speak against their ruling position.)
It is because in recent month, a scandal is circulating about Mr. Lee the designated Chief Executive this year. According to the story, Mr. Lee impregnate his current wife when she was underage at that time. One rumor said his wife was 12 and another said his wife was
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Doxing is not pro democracy.
You are correct, but China has gone too far and this is the result. When the UK signed an agreement with China to hand over all of Hong Kong, the understanding was the China would honor the agreement in full if for no other reason than to say to Taiwan "See. You can make a similar deal with us." China tried a few years ago to make major changes specifically to Hong Kong with a security law that would have taken away a lot of the liberties Hong Kong enjoyed thanks to the agreement. So the Hong Kong pe
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Telegram still uses centralized servers for lots of things.
Crackdown on DEMOCRACY, not doxing (Score:3, Informative)
It's quite sad the editor has adopted the Chinese communists' propaganda...
Re:Crackdown on DEMOCRACY, not doxing (Score:5, Informative)
Feint (Score:2)
This is propaganda to get more HK activists to use Telegram.
People think it's e2e encrypted and act accordingly. It's not, except 1:1 DM's and then not by default.
CCP is mining all of that metadata.