Slack's Response to New Microsoft Teams Ad? 'Ok Boomer' (msn.com) 260
An anonymous reader quotes Business Insider:
Slack tweeted a video on Thursday comparing a Slack ad and a Microsoft ad, showing the similarities between them and implying the Microsoft ad copied Slack's concept. The video was captioned "ok boomer," a phrase that has turned into a meme for millennials and Gen Z to voice their gripes with the baby boomer generation... Slack is leaning into its status as the young, hip startup by calling out its older, more established competition: Microsoft...
On Tuesday, Microsoft announced that Teams hit 20 million daily users, while Slack most recently announced just 12 million users. Slack's stock took a dive after the announcement. Although it has fewer users, Slack points to its user engagement, saying that users enjoy using the app. Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield said that Microsoft sees the company as an "existential threat."
The Verge notes that "a lot of businesses will opt for Teams simply because it's bundled as part of Office 365."
And ZDNet reports that a partner at one of Slack's early investors even tweeted an image showing Google Trends' top five rising queries for Microsoft Teams. #1 is "how to stop Microsoft teams," and also include "how to turn off Microsoft teams," "how to get rid of Microsoft teams", and "Microsoft teams keeps reinstalling."
On Tuesday, Microsoft announced that Teams hit 20 million daily users, while Slack most recently announced just 12 million users. Slack's stock took a dive after the announcement. Although it has fewer users, Slack points to its user engagement, saying that users enjoy using the app. Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield said that Microsoft sees the company as an "existential threat."
The Verge notes that "a lot of businesses will opt for Teams simply because it's bundled as part of Office 365."
And ZDNet reports that a partner at one of Slack's early investors even tweeted an image showing Google Trends' top five rising queries for Microsoft Teams. #1 is "how to stop Microsoft teams," and also include "how to turn off Microsoft teams," "how to get rid of Microsoft teams", and "Microsoft teams keeps reinstalling."
Slack? Enjoy? (Score:3)
Nope.
(no comment on MS Teams, don't have to use that)
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Teams seems ok. Calls and sharing works a bit better than in Skype, but it's a heavier app with all sorts of crap bolted on. It's getting rolled out here now, though I don't have to use it for anything yet so the experience is pretty limited admittedly.
But anyway, Slack is gonna get rolled so hard, it's won't even be funny. So they should probably have their fun while they still can.
Re: Slack? Enjoy? (Score:3, Funny)
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Did you submit the original comment via Teams?
Chat apps (Score:5, Insightful)
Slack CEO Stewart Butterfield said that Microsoft sees the company as an "existential threat."
Yes, like Yahoo Instant Messenger was an existential threat to Microsoft. I remember... wow, was that a close call for Microsoft's survival.
"Ok Slack" (Score:5, Funny)
I don't like Microsoft, but this boomer just removed Slack from his machines.
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I don't like Microsoft, but this boomer just removed Slack from his machines.
OK Boomer.
Re:"Ok Slack" (Score:5, Funny)
"OK Boomer" is shorthand for "Would you like fries with that?"
Re:"Ok Slack" (Score:4, Funny)
"OK boomer" is the rallying cry of aging millennials with no life prospects.
Re:"Ok Slack" (Score:4, Funny)
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Well, as people age their cognitive skills can decline. Please show some consideration for the elderly.
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Fossils are simply people who survived youth, and eventually, happenstance. Don't get me wrong... aging has a point of diminishing return, but up to that point it is a wonderful experience if you're open to it. If you're fortunate, it's where you are headed.
Oh, and starting in 38.25 days, millenials can be 40. [careerplanner.com]
Re:"Ok Slack" (Score:5, Informative)
Well, as people age their cognitive skills can decline. Please show some consideration for the elderly.
Or how about we stop letting the fossils who refuse to learn anything new drive our ways of thinking. Its how we wound up with a moron for a president.
A 50 percent voter turnout is how he was elected.
You do know that you are a prejudiced bigot don't you? Stereotyping anyone born between 1946 and 1964 of the exact same mindset and political outlook.
People in the KKK think they are right. People like you do as well. Neither of you are right.
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Actually, "OK boomer" is millennial for "I'm too lazy to think of anything useful to say, so I'll make a noise that sounds like 'OK boomer'" instead". Very millennial really, it's self-parodying.
And I'm saying that as a millennial.
Re:"Ok Slack" (Score:4, Insightful)
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Millenials agree: Boomers are OK!
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Slack doesn't understand their customer base if they think there aren't "boomers" using it at work.
When someone says "ok boomer", I hear "I'm mental midgit". It's such a stupid phrase and completely backfires on the one saying it.
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Slack gets the vast majority of their revenue from subscription plans, mostly corporate.
Slack doesn't understand their revenue source, if they think Boomers don't hold the purse-strings for most of it. I say "revenue source" because they're unprofitable, so they'd best be careful dissing a deep-pocket, long-existent competitor like MS.
(oh, also, Teams sucks, so there's always that)
Re:"Ok Slack" (Score:5, Insightful)
Hell I'm called an asshole at least three times a day, and I just chuckle.
Church.
They are fucking snowflakes. Several of my younger coworkers have literally been brought to tears by customer words and attitudes that I just shrug off as nothing important at all.
Of course, when I was growing up my parents made sure that my cuts and scrapes didnt get infected, while their parents made sure that they never got any cuts or scrapes. I walked over a mile to school in my early teens before sunrise in the middle of a decaying city, while not only did they have to ride the bus from a mere block away in nice suburbs, they werent allowed to get off the bus without an adult there waiting for them. My parents and teachers let us kids work out differences out ourselves, while they have always been able to cry to an authority figure when social shit got difficult.
We were "free range kids" before it was so unusual that there needed to be a name for it.
I am early generation-X, and like my parents (boomers) and grandparents (greatest), we know what the fuck banter and shit-talking is and it doesnt hurt our feelings. It isnt because our feeling cannot be hurt... its because mere words can't hurt our feelings. Sticks and fucking stones. Boo-fucking-hoo.
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I've never seen it used as a "crushing blow", or even a serious comeback. It's just shorthand for "we see things differently due to the times we matured in." It means the speaker sees no point in pushing the issue. It's a dismissal.
And *that* is why you're typing page long essays on the internet.
Or perhaps I'm trying to be helpful. Your rejection is okay - I just occasionally feel a moral need to give advice. And seriously - I write a lot of long stuff. You have some sort of problem with that? Sue me.
Being dismissed.
Dismissal is indeed an option. Taking as advisement is an option. Thoughtfully assessing it is an option. Implementing it is an option.
Make no mistake, there is a difference in the options. I'm quite able to observe and come to a conclusion, then offer advice. I have a lot of experience in that.
Re: "Ok Slack" (Score:2)
Microsoft responds (Score:4, Funny)
Slack's Response to New Microsoft Teams Ad? 'Ok Boomer'
Kk Zoomer
(O.K. -- Typing These Two Letters Will Scare Your Young Co-Workers [nytimes.com])
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Slack's Response to New Microsoft Teams Ad? 'Ok Boomer'
Kk Zoomer
(O.K. -- Typing These Two Letters Will Scare Your Young Co-Workers [nytimes.com])
Next, Slack and Microsoft will start slapping each other and yelling "Your app is so fat ..." jokes.
[ Meanwhile, the rest of us will continue to use email and get our shit done. ]
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OK boomer. Some anonymous person wrote to the NYT complaining about the damn kids and you think it's real.
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Let’s hope this crap doesn’t catch on.
Re:Microsoft responds (Score:5, Informative)
You might want to read this article O.K. -- Typing These Two Letters Will Scare Your Young Co-Workers [nytimes.com]
I have been informed by my Millennial and Gen Z co-workers that the new thing I’m supposed to type is “kk.” To write “O.K.” or “K,” they tell me, is to be passive-aggressive or imply that I would like the recipient to drop dead. To which I am tempted to respond, “Believe me, if I want you to drop dead you’ll know.”
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So being professional when addressing people in your profession is being passive-aggressive. Good grief.
I can't help but feel that we have achieved such a wonderful and peaceful world that people desperately grasp at ANYTHING they can use to get a rush of adrenaline from being 'attacked'.
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You might want to read this article O.K. -- Typing These Two Letters Will Scare Your Young Co-Workers [nytimes.com]
I have been informed by my Millennial and Gen Z co-workers that the new thing I’m supposed to type is “kk.” To write “O.K.” or “K,” they tell me, is to be passive-aggressive or imply that I would like the recipient to drop dead. To which I am tempted to respond, “Believe me, if I want you to drop dead you’ll know.”
Mkay. I'm offended unless people use Mkay.
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Personally, I prefer the classic "okay." My coworkers know I refuse to use social media so they don't bother telling me when I've inadvertently violated some digital social convention.
Neat! (Score:5, Insightful)
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Arrogantly dismissive? All I hear is, "Well, you're a poopyhead!" It's the retort of someone who has NO actual point to make nor the intellectual capacity to express one if they did.
Ok Boner? (Score:5, Informative)
Re: Ok Boner? (Score:2)
Slack's 15 minutes (Score:4, Insightful)
> Chat apps come. Chat apps go. This is slack's 15 minutes.
That really is the story. Microsoft creating a iteration of workplace chat that integrates with their existing ecosystem and huge numbers of Microsoft customers switching to it is the least shocking tech news there could possibly be.
What is the story is how the hell Slack got its absurd valuation for a product that can be and is being easily duplicated and improved upon.
* There are no vital Slack patents
* There is no unique Slack technology or IP
* And there is almost zero cost to switch to another chat platform
The one time I used Slack a few years ago its was nice to not have to mess with people installing native software but I ended up having to deal with people wasting time on the useless - IMO - plugins that really did nothing to improve productivity. It was clear the only real productivity was coming from the basic chat.
Perhaps larger companies or different team structures benefit from the Slack features beyond basic chat but I have never seen the real world measurable benefits.
I don't think Slack as a company is worthless but it almost certainly has a lot more downside in its valuation.
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> Chat apps come. Chat apps go. This is slack's 15 minutes.
Chat Apps come, Chat Apps go,
And some Apps peter out you know
But Slack is there through thick or thin,
Peter out, or Peter in.
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/\ this /\
All i ever saw in slack was an IRC server with video chat and screen sharing... really sad how far we haven't come.. kinda like /. just a BBS without the dial-in #!
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Seriously, though, just how many bells and whistles *CAN* you bolt on to a text-based chat system? Pretty much everything that's available can be distilled down to "A pretty front-end to IRC." It's one of those things that's a solved problem that doesn't need another solution. Really, the only advantage to Slack is the way it integrates with everything under the sun. Want to control your CI/CD stack, file and resolve tickets, do your expense reports, get and resolve your PagerDuty alerts, and share your
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So how do employees search the archive of your company IRC node? How about file distribution, are you going to send individual copies to every user in a channel? If they want that file or not? Or do they have to request the person send it to them individually?
Slack also integrates with other apps, like Outlook for calendars or Salesforce. How do you do that in IRC?
When you think everyone else is an idiot chances are you didn't understand why they did something.
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* control-f
* install apache lucene
* install apache solr
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file distribution:
*
* fileserver (every company has one... share-drive)
* dropbox
integrations:
* IRC bot(s)
* https://duckduckgo.com/?q=irc+... [duckduckgo.com]
As for "when you think everyone else is an idiot...", and i'm not saying that you have inferred that everyone here is an idiot, but humour me and follow the comments here... the "everyone" seems to be saying that slack is [for the most part] stupid! maybe e
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Right, a load of admin overhead for an inferior solution. Maybe now you can see why people use Slack.
Advertisements? Slack? (Score:2)
*Laughs in Netflix and IRC*
This is why I never bought Slack's stock (Score:2)
Slack is a product which any reasonable tech company can duplicate with a small team in a matter of weeks. If you are a company like Microsoft which owns Skype, or Google that own Hangout, or Facebook who own Facebook messenger, copying Slack is pretty much a matter of reskining a tool you already have.
I don't understand why anyone thought Slack could actually survive without being crushed by the competition who already have a massive user base.
"OK Boomer" = idiot (Score:4, Insightful)
"OK boomer" has got to be in the top 3 retarded memes ever. It always says more about the person using it than their target, you might as well go around with a badge saying "I'm an idiot durr!".
Re:"OK Boomer" = idiot (Score:5, Insightful)
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Remember when as teens we'd say "whatever" to everything?
No.
I was respectful to older people, when they deserved it, and avoided (or ignored, if couldn't avoid) those who didn't deserve my respect.
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Re:"OK Boomer" = idiot (Score:4, Funny)
Whatever.
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OK me.
Re:"OK Boomer" = idiot (Score:5, Informative)
isn't an argument.
Not all people deserve an argument. As a millennial that turned 37 this year it's supposed to be a dismissal to the same bad advice we've been getting from boomers since we were young.
There is a large demographic that just thinks if you put on a suit and have a nice handshake you can just walk in and firmly shake the boss's hand and tada, job. They grew up when everything was in abundance. And despite that not how the world or resumes work anymore (and haven't since I've been in the job market), that style of advice still persists.
"Ok Boomer" gets me back on my day a lot faster than trying to have an argument with someone that doesn't care to listen and still thinks millenials are 15.
Re: "OK Boomer" = idiot (Score:2)
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Whose fault is it for believing the nonsense?
Ours, which is why it's easier to just say Ok Boomer instead of continuing to listen to their nonsense.
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Ours, which is why it's easier to just say Ok Boomer instead of continuing to listen to their nonsense.
'Cept you are pushing nonsense yourself.
The reason the old folks should be listened to is because its never as simple as your young minds think. In the case of the boomers, they fucking invented the environmentalism and other stuff your generation always harps on about as if you yourselves invented it. They learned about the consequences of over-simplification directly through that.
They wanted to save the trees, and thus plastic became the choice material. Your generation wants to ban plastic, the stuf
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Good thing I don't trust anyone over thirty.
I just turned 34
It sounds like you don't trust yourself.
By the time I turned 14 I suspected that most information floating out there was trash, by the time I turned 24 I believed it, and now that I'm 34 I can prove it.
Only mathematics can be proved.
Nonsense is a fact of nature.
This quote is nonsense.
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I wouldn't say the Boomers had it all in abundance. My friend's dad was disabled due to Polio. My dad was drafted during Vietnam. My mom was one of the first women in her workplace. A "good job" followed by a pat on the butt and a comment about her legs was a daily occurrence. One of their friends (who is an African American) recalls segregated schools. My mom recalls restrictions on birth control for "married couples only." Abortion was illegal. Both my parents tell of regular drills at school for a
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Who says I don't have a job?
It's way more than being dismissal (Score:4, Insightful)
All we got for it was "Sure kid, whatever, better things aren't possible [twitter.com], now get back to work.
OK boomer is us saying "enough, we give up. You outnumber us and will for 20 years. There's nothing we can do. We'll just have to wait you out and pick up the pieces. You win. We lose".
Thing is, what I like about "OK Boomer" is how much it pisses boomers off. Because it says to them, "we don't respect you". And man, the Boomers want respect. They don't want to actually _do_ anything to _earn_ respect (like the aforementioned items). They feel like they earned it because they gave birth to us (who the fuck asked you to) and because they're old.
Anyway, if you don't like being dismissed and you want respect, go do something to earn it. And if you won't do that, don't be surprised when we blow you off and go back to waiting for you to die so we can fix the mess you left us.
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I'm curious how open borders in a first world welfare state is a thing that would be in literally any American's interests. In fact that's the crux of the problem, for anyone who isn't in the bottom 40% of the population voting for any Democrat is literally voting against your own best interests, and this is doubly true if you are in the top 20%.
I would also vote for a sane universal care, I'm all for getting climate change under control and ending wars. You've sold me. Only... there's a whole lot of stupid
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We are in a no-win situation, we really need some sort of parliamentary system.
As someone who lives in a country(Canada) where a parliamentary system already exists, no you don't. You think things are bad now? What do you think it would be like to have the same government forever, and said government gets worse and worse every year. And the only actual change that happens is when the highly dense cities finally start feeling the bite that smaller cities and rural folk were feeling 20 years before that. Parliamentary systems are much closer to soft-dictatorships then anything else.
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Not all Gen X, nor all Boomers, nor all Millennials are the same. Your diatribe conflating entire generations as if they don't contain unique individuals isn't consistent with reality. For example, I'm part of Gen X and many of the politicians I disagree with are Boomers who some famous Millennials love to support.
Re: "OK Boomer" = idiot (Score:3, Funny)
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"OK boomer" has got to be in the top 3 retarded memes ever. It always says more about the person using it than their target, you might as well go around with a badge saying "I'm an idiot durr!".
It's something B1FF would say.
Whatever, Milly. (Score:2)
"OK boomer" is amusing (Score:4, Insightful)
Here you have this hyper-politically-correct generation that screams various perceived -isms at every opportunity. Yet the biggest meme they can come up with is one of pure discrimination, discrimination on the sole basis of something people have no influence over: their age.
It's so full of delicious hypocrisy. For that alone it makes me chuckle.
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That's the extreme left for you, they're fucking abhorrent. and as someone who is generally left leaning, these people shit me to no end.
Re:"OK boomer" is amusing (Score:5, Informative)
"Boomer" isn't an age. It's an attitude. "OK Boomer" is a perfectly valid dismissal of GenX or even some millenials as well.
It's the attitude that you just need your bootstraps and nothing else. And if you can't get a job in industry you must have a bad handshake or didn't insist on talking directly to the boss.
It's a dismissal of those out of touch with the reality of the majority.
Nice try, conveniently broadening the term. (Score:2)
... when it suits your argument.
the 60s/70s generation was the only chance the US had, to part from its backwardness and being led by morons. And you blew it and are regressing to basically a dumber, "woke", fifties. Great job.
Now serve me some fries.
Here's a crazy idea (Score:5, Interesting)
Just as an example, We graduate about 2000 gender studies majors a year nation wide. That's
Face it, you've been had.
Observed facts beg to differ. (Score:2)
I'm living right next to where half the students for a huge university pass by every day. There's nothing but vegan soyboygirldiverses and impotent hipsters on neon fixies with no gears or even brakes pushing so hard they nearly prolapse.
So I know them. Have to talk to them every day. Fact is, that they are extremely insecure and full of triggers that have their entire house of cards of a shadow of self-confidence come down.
And the extroverts of them (usually easily visually recognized) WILL lash out when t
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Here you have this hyper-politically-correct generation that screams various perceived -isms at every opportunity. Yet the biggest meme they can come up with is one of pure discrimination, discrimination on the sole basis of something people have no influence over: their age.
It's so full of delicious hypocrisy. For that alone it makes me chuckle.
You do realize "OK boomer" is an ironic response to the constant barrage of "millenials are lazy" and "millenials are spending all their money on avocado toasts" nonsense coming from out of touch people, right?
No, you probably don't, otherwise you wouldn't have posted that. But that's OK, boomer.
Re: "OK boomer" is amusing (Score:2)
I agree, it IS amusing. The group of people most likely to criticize others for being weak and overly sensitive also happen to be the ones that have a complete fucking meltdown when they hear it.
"Why are you being so mean to meeeee?? I can't even use an emoji to indicate how sad I am because I don't know how they work or even acknowledge their existence! Wah!"
Quick, someone make a video ... (Score:3)
... with the exact same music illustrating how Slack ripped off IRC.
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+1 my thoughts exactly!
just a reminder of why i'm not rich - i wouldn't believe people pay real money for this stuff..
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Wouldn't it be closer to Jabber? IIRC IRC didn't support images or other meta-data.
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countless
Can you name the best ones? This is the first time I'm hearing about 'web forums' and 'newsgroups' on top of IRC.
I've always thought that was the next logical step, I just never saw it done that I knew of.
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OK, Glorified IRC client (Score:2)
Its an IM client, FFS (Score:2)
Slack is somehow losing hundreds of millions of dollars against decent revenue, providing an IM app. It boggles the mind.
No worries, Boomer (Score:2)
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Everyone needs to stop this shit (Score:5, Interesting)
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OK? What, not woke millennials? (Score:2)
OK? Really? Aren't zhey woke enough to realize that OK means white power [adl.org]? Slack must be racist and hateful, and thus anyone who uses them must also be racist and hateful, and deserve getting punched in the face repeatedly.
Damn slack Nazis...
real figures (Score:2)
user engagement is the real figure here
how many of those teams users are office drones that dont use teams, but its been installed by the it department for everyone.
Re:Step #1: (Score:5, Insightful)
You keep spelling it wrong, should have been "Don't install Oracle products on your computer". Common mistake.
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Step #1: Don't install Microsoft products on your computer.
Step #2: Don't install Oracle products on your computer, either.
Re:Step #1: (Score:5, Interesting)
After Slack's snarky, ageist response, it's also "and don't use Slack, either."
(And here I'm being semi-serious. Did they name themselves after the Church of the SubGenius "slack?" Cause, that's a "Boomer" thing.)
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While the leaded gas story is compelling, the truth is there has been nothing definite proved about the relationship between the crime rate and lead exposure. It could be true, but we haven't established a direct causal link.
As for lead solder in pipes, well, it's not the issue you make it out to be. Even the Roman lead pipes weren't quite the health issues people sometimes claim.
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weird hair or revealing cloths
Without saying anymore, you're exactly the type of boomer "Ok Boomer" was invented for.
Glad her cloths weren't too revealing. You might get the vapors and be unable to work.
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Oh kid... (Score:2)
That is one of the oldest Microsoft tactics: Delivering your equivalent for free until the competition is starved to death, and you got a quasi-monopoly.
It is the precursor to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
It is the main reason Microsoft has been a convicted criminal many many times in the past.
Not that I disagree with the rest and Slack is not a bunch of total pieces of iShit.
(What's the name for this generation of moron software developers that re-invent all the things, badly, and want to webify and appify