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Kamala Harris Introduces Bill To Send Millions To Local Governments For Tech Support (theverge.com) 136

Senator and Democratic presidential candidate Kamala Harris has introduced legislation that would allocate millions of dollars for local government to create dedicated teams that could "update and rebuild" government systems. The Verge reports: The United States Digital Service, an office established in 2014 after the widespread failures of Healthcare.gov, provides IT support for the federal government, bringing technologists into the government to work on tools like federal websites. It's continued to operate under the Trump administration, and some states, Harris' office notes, have experimented with similar teams. Harris' bill, the Digital Service Act, would provide an annual $50 million to the federal service, but it also goes further, allocating $15 million per year to state and local governments to create similar teams.

Harris' bill, the Digital Service Act, would provide an annual $50 million to the federal service, but it also goes further, allocating $15 million per year to state and local governments to create similar teams. Under the plan, the national Digital Service would offer two-year grants, giving state and local governments between $200,000 and $2.5 million per year. Those governments would be required to take on 20 percent of costs and to spend at least half of the money on talent, rather than tech. The national Digital Service, under the proposal, would report bi-annually to Congress on the progress of the grantees. The bill would provide funding through 2027.

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Kamala Harris Introduces Bill To Send Millions To Local Governments For Tech Support

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  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @09:15PM (#58281916)
    technical support pork/subsidies for the tech industry! Little of which will actually be used for anything constructive.
    It is the government after all.

    Just my 2 cents ;)
    • by PPH ( 736903 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @09:40PM (#58281990)

      And if your state is efficient and doesn't use all of it's allocation, there will be a year-end rush to spend it on something. Anything.

      • by Anonymous Coward

        You can spend it on spelling lessons. it's means "it is".

    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      Don't worry. The probability of Kamala Harris being the next president is exactly 0%.

      If you look at how she is running her campaign, it is obvious she isn't even trying to be the next Barack Obama. She is trying to be the next Jesse Jackson. She wants to be the national leader and spokesperson for the black community. Unlike the presidency, she actually has a good shot at that (there is not much effective competition).

      She announced her candidacy in Oakland. Her national headquarters is in Baltimore. T

      • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        You are looking too hard.

        She's a mockery of incompetence. When she announced a plan to eliminate private insurance, CNN asked her "If you like your insurance can you keep your insurance?"

        She didn't even understand the sarcasm of the question.

        She is tone-deaf and oblivious in a way that only third party candidates or meme candidates generally are. She actually might get weeded out earlier than one might expect once they have debates and she has to respond credibly to questions.

        No one likes "dog ate homewor

      • she's gone quiet because she's going around getting money from big donors. She can't make too much noise while she's doing that or she'll get called out for being bought and paid for. Biden's doing the same thing. He spent the last few weeks in the Caribbean wining and dining with elites.

        If we had a proper functioning media they'd be calling them both out on this shit, but, well, we don't.

        Meanwhile Warren, sadly, got destroyed by some dumb college chick things she did pretending to be an Indian Prin
        • Warren is the only candidate who has proposed a wealth tax. This shows that she is smart because she is the only one who knows the difference between a wealth tax and income tax. A marginal change in income tax rates won't make a difference.

          Still, she's a multi-millionaire so it's kind of hard to believe she's serious.
          • This shows that she is smart because she is the only one who knows the difference between a wealth tax and income tax.

            Unfortunately, she wants the wealth tax in addition to the income tax, rather than as a replacement, which would make much more sense.

            Still, she's a multi-millionaire so it's kind of hard to believe she's serious.

            Why should competent financial management be a disqualification? It seems to me it should be a plus.

            • Why should competent financial management be a disqualification? It seems to me it should be a plus.

              Since you seem to need it spelled out for you, most people don't make laws that hurt themselves.

              • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipakNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Saturday March 16, 2019 @07:37AM (#58283124) Homepage Journal

                First, define hurt. A vaccine injection hurts for a moment but helps for many years.

                Why should Warren care if her law dents money she won't notice, if the amount it saves her over, say, ten years exceeds the amount it costs her over ten years?

                Those who care about any pain, regardless of gain, are penny wise and dollar foolish. They're not the people you want in charge.

                • if the amount it saves her over, say, ten years exceeds the amount it costs her over ten years?

                  I'm listening to your proposal for how that might happen.

      • by bongey ( 974911 )

        Well considering how many posts about her from the /. editors, we know who they want.

      • by No Longer an AC ( 4611353 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @05:15AM (#58282876) Journal

        You're being unfair. I give her at least a 1.5% chance. With a margin of error of 1.5%.

        But she is trying to get her name out there as I think you're suggesting. Name recognition matters. A year ago, had anyone even heard of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez or Beto O'Rourke? Or for that matter, Kamala Harris? Maybe those who really pay attention to politics had, but it's still doubtful for AOC.

        Now they're all household names, with particular thanks to Fox News for elevating AOC to that level. She is pretty extreme, but in past years such junior representatives would have been mostly ignored as that crazy liberal who really doesn't have any significant influence in the first place. I'm thinking of one particular Democrat Congresswoman from my hometown who has been in office for 30 years or so and has had very little influence at all other than casting her vote with other Dems. She just doesn't get that much attention, but AOC is in some ways like Trump. She sometimes speaks before she thinks things through and she likes to use social media and also get in her opponent's faces.

        It's like the right wants to find the most extreme Democrat they can and use them to paint the entire party with a broad brush.

        And I apologize for wandering away from Kamala Harris. She's the Democratic Senator from California, right? The one who is not Dianne Feinstein? Been a Senator for a whole 2 years?

        At this point in the election cycle I think many of us are waiting for candidates like Harris to drop out before we start trying to figure out who we support. And that's probably bad because if we got involved much earlier in the process maybe we'd have better candidates on both sides of the aisle and we wouldn't be trying to figure out if Trump or Hillary would be worse for our country.

        In an ideal world, the Hatfields and McCoys would get along and we'd honestly be torn over who would make America even greater, but no matter who won we would still have faith in their ability to lead us.

        I can dream anyway.

        • by gtall ( 79522 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @06:32AM (#58282990)

          While I don't agree with AOC on many things, and that Green Thing she helped push after Markey loaded it with the Communist Manifesto (she's also a member of the Democratic Socialists of America so it was an easy sell), I've watched her in some hearings on CSPAN. She does her homework. She's the woman Asshole needs to watch out for. She's not running for Pres but he'd better hope she never becomes a DA with subpoena power.

      • She wants to be the national leader and spokesperson for the black community.

        Doubtful she'll get there; he's the black community has already identified her as a traitor and a sell-out.

    • This is pork and garbage. But if such a bill were to be properly implemented with equally considered bids it could greatly improve national defense and reduce corruption in government.
    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 ) on Saturday March 16, 2019 @04:53AM (#58282840) Homepage Journal

      It's impossible to ever improve any government infrastructure because it's automatically pork for someone. The government should therefore keep using hand-me-down TRS-80s for all its computing needs, to avoiding giving any pork to Dell and HP.

      Actually what wrong with an abacus? They can collect stones for free from the side of the pork road and just make-do without the frame.

    • This just continues to illustrate everything that is wrong with the Fed. Take money from the citizens of the States, then waste it, then send part of it back to the States, with lots of strings and regulations attached, and without any concern for the actual needs of each State. Meanwhile, making the Fed larger and larger, and governance further and further away from the constituents. It breeds inefficiency, waste, corruption, and centralization of power while lowering innovation, freedom, and accountab

    • Not enough money.

      We would need to be up into the fucking billions.

      Trump's budget calls for cuts domestically. How do the two narratives fit?

    • Which will go to CEOs of tech call centers who will route the calls to India and skim the tax payer funded costs i their pockets

  • Expanding (Score:5, Insightful)

    by alvinrod ( 889928 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @09:16PM (#58281918)
    Sounds like the bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy.
  • If the state governments need this, then they can tax their own citizens.
    • by raymorris ( 2726007 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @09:28PM (#58281952) Journal

      Two options when states need to do something:

      A. Your state decides what is needed in your state. State taxpayers approve it via whatever mechanisms your state has. Taxpayers pay the cost for it.

      B. Kamala Harris and the rest of the Washington politicians decide what your state needs. Washington politicians approve taxing you. Taxpayers send their money to Washington. Washington sends part of it back to your state. Tax payers pay the actual cost of program, plus the bureacracy cost of sending it back and forth, plus Washington's cut.

      It's pretty plain why Kamala Harris wants to send your money through Washington and keep a portion of it. Why YOU would agree with that I have no idea. Unless you're just a superfan of politicians that play for team D. Superfans do non-sensical things.

      • A. Your state decides what is needed in your state.

        Conceptually, this seems like the better idea. However, there are plenty of politicians that wouldn't give two shits if they had the worst security. They would only care after everyone's data was stolen and it was reported to the public. By mandating spending on IT, it ensures these systems are maintained.

        If you want to better understand how little they value security, just look at corporations because the same types of assholes are in charge of the budgets.

        • > If you want to better understand how little they value security, just look at corporations because the same types of assholes are in charge of the budgets.

          Fifteen years ago you would have had a good point.
          Next week I'm starting a new job, at a new company. Both my current company and the new one each spend over a million dollars per year on information security. So if I look at what these companies budget for security, it shows they value it very highly.

          Companies are starting to realize not only the v

      • It's pretty plain why Kamala Harris wants to send your money through Washington and keep a portion of it. Why YOU would agree with that I have no idea. Unless you're just a superfan of politicians that play for team D. Superfans do non-sensical things.

        The irony here is that "red" states generally take more money from the federal government than they pay into it. [politifact.com] Which is to say, people like you complaining about taxes are more likely to be from a "taker state".

        • FYI, the data you love masturbating to is 15 years out date. That's fine, though, I see that you are a superfan for team D, so facts don't matter.

          I understand because I'm kinda the same way - I still have a John Elway jersey. I didn't publicly say "the Broncos are the best because in the Redskins game John Elway rushed for ...". I'd look silly citing a stat that old.

          It's cool though, enjoy rooting for the team you picked.

          • When Californians want to support California orange growers, they each send $1.00 to Washington and ask Washington to send $0.60 back to California orange growers.

            When Texans want to support pecan growers in Texas - well mostly they buy pecans and make a pecan pie, no government involved. But when they want to involve government, they have the state spend $1.00 each supporting pecan growers.

            Californians then brag that until recently they sent a lot of money to Washington. This perplexes Texans because send

          • by cj* ( 149112 )

            Sorry, but nope...

            https://rockinst.org/issue-are... [rockinst.org]

            Click on the state ranking and per capita.

            Now offset the values by the $3k per capita that the annual deficit runs.

            21 States are ahead on the federal cash flow, 5 of which are Blue.

            Virginia (R), Kentucky (R), New Mexico (B), West Virginia (R), Alaska (R), Mississippi (R), Alabama (R), Maryland (B), Maine (B), Hawaii (B), Arkansas (R), S. Carolina (R), Arizona (R), Oklahoma (R), Missouri (R), Montana (R), Louisiana (R), Vermont (B), Tennessee (R), Idaho (R),

    • by jd ( 1658 )

      Ah, yes, just as each State can create its own IETF and invent its own Internet protocols. Or maybe each State can set its own width of railway track, or define its own units of measurement.

      Sometimes standards are useful.

      Americans are determined that the Feds should not hold to standards, then complain when the Feds have no standards.

      Besides, Trump just ended State Rights.

  • I thought, why in the hell does the government want people calling them when a Windows 10 update kills everything?
  • Governments never seem to be able to attract good talent no matter how much money they are required to spend on it. Government simply does not attract the best and brightest most of the time. I'm also sure that there is nothing buried in here about "information sharing" between state and federal agencies.
    • The article is a little short on details for how successful the service has been over the last 5 years. An admittedly cursory search shows nothing substantial (i.e. nothing not provided by the service itself) in the way of evidence on how this service has provided good value for the money. So, did they get the right people? Are they making a difference? I don't see the documentation.
    • by dcw3 ( 649211 )

      Because government...

      Doesn't have to compete
      Can't pay as well
      Can't be agile
      Has red tape for everything
      Almost never fires anyone who's incompetent

    • Government simply does not attract the best and brightest most of the time.

      I think that qualifies as "not even wrong". I mean its technically right (which is the best kind of right) but theres a whole lot of implied context which is way off base.

      I mean sure the government doesn't attract the best and the brightest most of the time, but neither does anyone else. Anyone who thinks business is better in this regard has clearly never worked for a company. Or dealt with a company in any capacity.

    • There are a lot of best and brightest at NASA, CERN and Fermilab that would disagree. IPv4 was not designed by a corporation, neither was the Manchester Mk 1.

      Linux' two top gurus, Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox, were not working in bakeries or bars. (Yes, being a student at a government-backed facility is working for the government. They were not working for private enterprise.)

      We saw private enterprise at work in the 2004 DARPA Challenge. Not a single automated vehicle finished. Most crashed on the first corn

  • by oldgraybeard ( 2939809 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @09:52PM (#58282018)
    so tech savvy their biggest issue is,
    Is our internet up or do we have to use the free wifi across the street again to get to our Office 365 accounts and use our cloud apps and data?

    Just my 2 cents ;)
    • If their internet doesn't have 5 nines availability (available 99.999% of the time for an accumulated annual downtime of less than 6 minutes), then they are *not* that tech savvy.
  • by mamba-mamba ( 445365 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @10:01PM (#58282028)

    This is just standard, time-honored "pork belly politics." California companies are betting that this legislation will channel loads of federal money to California companies. She is just looking out for the interests of her past and future campaign donors. Very transparent what the intent is here. This is just how politics is done.

  • is so tiny in the scheme of thing's it's hardly news. I'm not sure what this is. It's embarrassingly small thinking from someone with designs on the presidency.
  • I ALSO chose to spend money on shit I wanted instead of shit I needed.

    When may I expect my big check from the Federal Government to cover my poor decision-making?

  • Volunteers from FAANG did the Federal sites. If this paltry amount goes to states, it will probably be down payment to second rate slave owners like IBM, Oracle, or InfoSys.
  • We have roads, water, bridges, dams that need massive work.
    And she is worried about fucking around with software!!!!
    She should have a backbone and push to increase gasoline/diesel tax slowly to pay for these other infrastructure, while getting an OSS going on gov systems.
  • reparations (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sdinfoserv ( 1793266 ) on Friday March 15, 2019 @11:15PM (#58282224)
    The biggest reason Harris is DOA on the national stage is she's pushing reparations to atone the "original sin" of slavery in America. Since those dollars will be extracted from the donor class, she's toast, even on the democratic ticket.
  • Rather than running a high overhead federal government giveaway program the brain damaged broad should instead lobby for a tax reduction with the suggestion that local governments raise their taxes slightly to capture the money directly. Then more money goes to local IT needs and less goes to Federal government administrators in their lavish offices.
    {^_^}

  • Can we hobble established Internet providers when they try to shut down municipal Wi-Fi/fiber efforts? $15 million a year just to support those problems would probably make more of a difference than anything else techy that money would be put to.

  • For those who create that which they then profess to hate, then make worse in the name of improvement and enslave in the name of freedom.

    I have very little time for the right wing extremists that make up American politics, and less for those that support such gibberish.

    The idea, whilst sound, is doomed to fail because voters want dysfunction and a corrupt government. They want things to fail. The Libertarians and Republicans especially, but I'd say 60% if Democrats as well.

  • California has tried twice to modernize its vehicle registration system from the sixties, and failed twice, and thrown away tens of millions of dollars in the process.

    What's needed is competence, and you can't just buy that.

  • The key is to teach the talented to code WELL. Hint: you don't do that in Javascript or on Windows.

  • "If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it." --Reagan

  • If this was a push to develop plug & play tools for small towns and municipalities to use, I'd be all for it. Instead of every town or even city needing to pay millions to develop city websites, phone apps, information portals, bill-pay sites, service request sites, etc., it would be a great cost reducer to have something already developed and free to use for these places to plug in their relevant data and get it up and running with less cost and time, and easier to maintain if bug & security patch
  • If she had her way, all the tech bought would be license plate scanners, facial recognition cameras, wiretaps, weakening of cryptography, DNA databases.

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