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China Has Abandoned a Cybersecurity Truce With the US, Report Says (bloomberg.com) 114

Cybersecurity firm Crowdstrike says China has largely abandoned a hacking truce negotiated by Barack Obama as President Trump embarked on a trade war with Beijing last year. "A slowdown in Chinese hacking following the cybersecurity agreement Obama's administration secured in 2015 appears to have been reversed, the firm said in a report released Tuesday that reviewed cyber activity by U.S. adversaries in 2018," reports Bloomberg. From the report: The report comes as the Trump administration seeks to reach a trade deal with China, including provisions on intellectual property theft, ahead of a March 1 deadline. Trump has said he may extend that deadline and hold off on increasing tariffs on Chinese imports if there's progress in the talks. China's hacking targets in 2018 included telecommunications systems in the U.S. and Asia, according to Crowdstrike. Groups linked to Iran and Russia also appeared to target telecommunications, a sector that yields "the most bang for your buck" for hackers due to the large number of users that can be accessed after breaching a single network, Meyers said.

The findings align with concern in the U.S. about telecommunications security as the country transitions to the next generation of mobile networks and the Trump administration seeks to secure so-called 5G technology from foreign intelligence gathering. The administration has expressed particular concern about the spread of products made by the Chinese firm Huawei Technologies Co.
The report also mentions the increased cyber activity in other parts of the world. "Iran focused much of its cyber activity on Middle Eastern and North African countries while Russia engaged in intelligence collection and information operations worldwide," the report says. "North Korea deployed hackers for financial gain and intelligence collection, while China targeted sectors including technology, manufacturing and hospitality."
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China Has Abandoned a Cybersecurity Truce With the US, Report Says

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  • by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @10:22PM (#58149660)
    >> official thing negotiated by POTUS

    So...the standard of whether or not the agreement was violated is decided by a random security firm?
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      The standard is determined by people who set policy. The report documents the frequency of known attacks, which is increasing. Crowdstrike is hardly random, they've done this for a while. Why phrase things dishonestly?

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Anonymous Coward

        Yeah, I think I'd rather trust the DoD, or NSA, or even the FBI to determine if a government is behind the attacks verses some rando, publicity seeking, scare mongering, Alex Jones level of conspiracy spewing "security firm" like Crowdstrike.

    • by Jane Q. Public ( 1010737 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @11:13PM (#58149842)
      Why are we expected to believe anything CrowdStrike says these days?
    • So...the standard of whether or not the agreement was violated is decided by a random security firm?

      Occam's Razor: What on earth makes you think that a company is honouring such a minor agreement with an adversary that is actively trying to economically punish them?

      No the standard of whether or not the agreement was violated should be decided by proof that under the current conditions it is still being adhered to.

  • We are supposed to be disturbed that China is trying to hack our networks and steal information, and intellectual property from us in response to our trying to hold them culpable for stealing information ,intellectual property and one sided trade practices ?

    Well I guess the next time somebody commits murder their solemn promise not to do it again should be enough for anyone.

  • by SirAstral ( 1349985 ) on Tuesday February 19, 2019 @11:16PM (#58149850)

    Be nice to us economically or face random hacks... we will also tell your citizens that you would not be nice to us and "negotiate" so they will get mad at you about it too.

    China is terrible country that is far worse than America. I don't have a problem with cutting ties with that disgusting nation until they stop abusing their citizens. It like someone coming to your door and saying... I want you to sell me your house for 20% off or I am going to harass your neighborhood and watching your fellow neighbor getting pissed off at your for refusing to let bad people get their way!

    Sadly, it works too! Just look at this article!

    • I don't have a problem with cutting ties with that disgusting nation until they stop abusing their citizens.

      Yeah you do. If you actually wouldn't have a problem cutting ties with them you wouldn't have posted this on Slashdot using your Chinese made computer parts.

    • Can you tell me WHY "China is terrible country that is far worse than America. "???
  • What this means: (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Gravis Zero ( 934156 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @02:43AM (#58150462)

    What this really means is that China's ability to obtain companies' IP through other means (e.g. espionage or via Chinese law) are not as effective as they once were or hoped they would be. The policy of the Chinese government has been "China first and to hell with the rest of you" long before Trump paraded out his "America First" line. China only does things that will benefit China and therefore the truce was part of that calculation. Now that things have changed and/or it's proven to not be as effective as hoped/expected (e.g. beefed up security and/or higher awareness by US companies), the Chinese government has resumed their normal hacking operations to steal IP. Alternatively, they predicted a massive influx of US companies that would be handing over their IP to China which hasn't panned out as expected. Anyway it goes, they were expecting to get more of the IP from US companies and it didn't happen and their response is to take it by hacking into companies.

    Note: I'm not claiming superiority in any regard, I'm just explaining the thought process that dictates their actions. (Take your whataboutism and shove it because this is about China.)

    • So you think the part of the equation that changed is China realized they were not getting legal IP transfer they expected.

      I personally think what changed is Trump 1) threw out global political norms, and 2) started a trade war. So 1) increased cyber warfare wouldn't be noticed as much, and 2) In world opinion (soft power), they have an excuse/defense for the times they're caught.

      I have tons of evidence to back up my opinion. I'd guess you have a lot less, but I'd be interested in seeing it.
      • s/legal/espionage or via Chinese law/

        Also note, I'm not actually disagreeing with anything you said, I just wana see evidence, and filling in other reasons. I have no way of really knowing which reasons are more important, but the ones I listed I thought were more obvious.
      • So you think the part of the equation that changed is China realized they were not getting legal IP transfer they expected.

        There is a lot of evidence for China's "China first and to hell with the rest of you" position. The rest is simply a logical extension of that policy. The trade war seems only to be a factor in that it's hurting them. Regardless, they were going to get that IP one way or another for their "Made in China 2025" initiative.

    • We should;d just quarantine the Chinese from the internet already. Deny all DNS that resolves to a Chinese address. Probably wouldn't effect that much beyond their hacking anyways. The legitimate Chinese traffic rarely gets past their own great firewall and US citizens aren't exactly going to Baidu. Any US corps that have a business reason are clearly outsourcing traitors who need to be punished anyways. (only partially sarcastic there).
  • by AxeTheMax ( 1163705 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @03:21AM (#58150536)
    For comparison, what is the historic and current level of US espionage / hacking of China and Chinese targets? Preferably from an independent source.
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  • This shouldn't even be a negotiating point, if they're actively hacking us ban them until they get their shit under control (not like they don't control their whole network at the government level anyway, should be simple to stop the state-sponsored hacks from China.) The idea they would even suggest this as an ultimatum for not buying their backdoored hardware shows they need a kick in the balls.
  • And of Obama made it. They will not honor any treaty that stops their march towards dominance.

  • by Chas ( 5144 ) on Wednesday February 20, 2019 @11:24AM (#58151888) Homepage Journal

    They were violating it while it was being signed, and never actually lived up to any part of it.

  • ... designing hardened systems.

    America is not willing or able to design innovative cyber defenses.

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