Kaspersky Lab Says It Has Become Pawn in US-Russia Geopolitical Game (reuters.com) 172
Russian cyber security firm Kaspersky Lab, reacting to a U.S. government move restricting its activities, said on Wednesday it had fallen victim to U.S.-Russia global sparring while the Kremlin criticized the U.S. action as politically-motivated. From a report: The Trump administration on Tuesday removed the Moscow-based firm from two lists of approved vendors used by government agencies to purchase technology equipment, amid concerns its products could be used by the Kremlin to gain entry into U.S. networks. "By all appearances, Kaspersky Lab happened to be dragged into a geopolitical fight where each side is trying to use the company as a pawn in its game," RIA news agency quoted the company's press service as saying.
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Hans plays with Lotte, Lotte plays with Jane
Jane plays with Willi, Willi is happy again
Suki plays with Leo, Sacha plays with Britt
Adolf builts a bonfire, Enrico plays with it
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Dude, all you had to do is literally hit the link he provided. It's the lyrics of the first verse of the song.
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The Cold War should have ended 25 years ago. But we just can't let it go.
Re:bickering children (Score:4, Insightful)
Russia reverted to an illiberal criminal-syndicate state.
Not something the West has had much luck working with.
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At least from the Russian perspective, the end of any kind of detente came with the bombing of Serbia. At the time, Russia, broken and incapable of any kind of force projection, was forced to abandon a policy that it had essentially held for centuries; that of being the protector of the Slavic peoples. Couple this with NATO enlargement, where a number of former Warsaw Pact countries, understandably in my view, joined up, and then began entering the EU, you can see where they came to believe that the West was out to permanently castrate Russia. This is an understandable sentiment as well.
That all being said, Russia has been a right pain in the ass to the West for a few centuries now, and there's never been a great deal of trust on either side. Further, it's hard to see how there can be any trust so long as Putin and the Oligarchs are basically running the country as their personal piggy bank, and where the infant organs of a democratic state have been so quickly undermined. When they get caught interfering with multiple Western elections with the clear intent to either destabilize or get Russia-friendly candidates elected to high office, I'd say meaningful rapprochement is a long way off. Even in the US, where Trump does seem far more Kremlin-friendly than virtually any predecessor, Congress has made it awfully clear that it will not remove sanctions, and indeed would like to see even more sanctions.
Re:Not remotely true (Score:4, Interesting)
NATO made overtures to let Russia also join NATO at the same time other ex-Warsaw Pact members were joining in large part to try and avoid precisely the sort of thing that happened in Ukraine and to try and achieve a sweeping military stabilisation stretching across the entire Northern Hemisphere.
The problem is a majority of Russians have a dictatorship mentality - they don't do things by mutual agreement, they believe in a strong leadership, which is why they're constantly led by defacto dictators. This unfortunately extends into their geopolitical world view too, in that they could never join NATO because the concept of being in an organisation as an equal is alien to them - to them they should be the grand dictator of the organisation This is also why Putin so hates the EU - he'd join it, if he could be wholly in charge of it, but whilst he sees mutual cooperation between 28 of his closest neighbours, he sees that as an affront to everything the Russian mindset stands for, he sees that as weakness, and so when it works, when the EU becomes the largest single economic area in the world right on his doorstep he despises that and will stop at nothing to try and destroy it and impose his idea of a Russian led Eurasian Economic Union instead.
This is why he poses for what seem like ridiculous photos to us - to the Russian psyche it's exactly what a leader should be, not just to his own country, but to the whole world. Whilst the rest of Europe grew up, Russia fenced itself off behind a wall and kept itself stuck inside the 15th - 19th century European Empire mindset. Probably the only real solution to the Russian problem is to allow them to go bankrupt again with sanctions and so forth, but this time, don't let them get back up - make sure the territory fractures. More modern forward thinking areas like St Petersburg would likely become pro-EU independent territories, whilst the backward areas could be left to fester. Unfortunately, there's then the nuclear question, but it's clear you can't work with Russia as an equal until Russia has it's own enlightenment, because it's just not in their national psyche.
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Never end a good war that drives your economy prematurely.
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Just when I thought I had the "Frozen" soundtrack out of my head.
Re:bickering children (Score:4, Insightful)
The Cold War should have ended 25 years ago. But we just can't let it go.
Who is WE you are talking about?
Since the fall of the Berlin wall and Glasnost in Russia, who has been the aggressor and why?
The cold war WAS over until the Russians under Putin decided that they'd revive it for geopolitical reasons. Putin is doing all this in order to keep looking powerful and getting elected, but at this point it's all just show. Putin knows that a full frontal conflict with the USA would be a disaster for him, but he certainly is willing to take the risk of starting something he cannot finish in order to stay in power.
And what's the US's motivation? Generally we just want to engage in profitable trade and keep oil prices low/stable...With a bit of "keeping the terrorists at bay" thrown in of course.
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>And what's the US's motivation?
Just off the top of my head...
The military-industrial complex still wields a lot of political clout, and a good enemy helps keep the defense contracts flowing.
We're also rapidly becoming an authoritarian surveillance state, and the "war on terror" is running out of steam as a distraction/justification for that. Having a more credible foreign threat helps keep that ball rolling as well.
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Shesh... Really? You oppose one of the few purposes of the Federal government actually mentioned in the constitution?
Defending the United States and its interests is a hugely expensive effort because it's a difficult task. But by all means, let's unilaterally disarm and ignore what has happened EVERY time we did this before (not!)... Yea, we won WWI and WWII but had we not disarmed just prior to their start the effort would not have cost us as much material and blood.. Korea is another great example of no
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The US wastes a ton of money on things that do not improve our readiness at defense. It's a huge waste but too few dare criticize it lest they appear unpatriotic. You could cut the budget by 1/3 and still spend more per capita on defense than most countries.
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The US wastes a ton of money on things that do not improve our readiness at defense. It's a huge waste but too few dare criticize it lest they appear unpatriotic. You could cut the budget by 1/3 and still spend more per capita on defense than most countries.
Hmm... You sound like Donald Trump...
Having worked for the department of defense both directly and as a contractor, I am well aware of how money gets seemingly wasted. Most large government activities are inefficient. Some of this is though fraud and abuse and THAT you can find and fix, but some of the waste is very intractable. I was a government contracting official, charged with contracting with suppliers to buy things, at one point. I can tell you that this cost issue seems to be overblown to me, gi
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Yea, we should have just let the communist in Russia and China overrun or friends in South Korea, that's the ticket....
Do they even try to teach history in school these days? Do folks have ANY idea what the geopolitical situation was right after WW2 and WHY we went into Korea under the authority of the UN?
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Right, we've had several retired presidents warn of the dangerous degree of influence of the MIC, but some guy on the internet says it's a Soviet propaganda, so I'm sure it's not a problem...
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Don't forget the destabilization of Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea.
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Moscow didn't do anything, and the only reason Russia rolled into Crimea was after Ukraine adapted a law making Ukrainian the sole official language, thereby making life potentially difficult for Russian speaking Ukrainians.
Didn't do anything? LOL.
Other than sending troops, weapons and equipment, passing a vote to annex... of course, nothing. Also, you might want to review your understanding of the time line. [bbc.com]
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That was really just the point that people woke up to Russia's aggression and the fact it had never really let the Cold War die off.
In 1999 when he was inaugrated he declared the collapse of the Soviet Union as the biggest tragedy of the 20th Century (bigger than Nazi death camps), by 2004 he'd already ordered the poisoning of Viktor Yanukovych's closest opponent Viktor Yushchenko during the election campaign to try and hand Ukraine to Yanukovych way back then. It backfired and Yanukovych still lost until w
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This is B.S. A gift is a gift first off, you can't just turn around and say "oops, I didn't realize the gift I gave you was worth so much!" Second, it is primarily Russian because of Russian military bases. Historically it has not been a Russian region, the Tatars have a stronger claim than either Russia or Ukraine, although they were forcibly removed by USSR after WWII ended.
Russia rolled into Ukraine against all international laws and norms. It's exactly what Hitler did in the Sudatenland, to "protect"
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On the Tatar claims, wrong! The Tatars were conquerors of that territory in the Middle Ages, and were ousted by the Tsarist Russians. And w/ good reason: aside from being vassals of the Ottoman Turks, they also conducted several invasions of Russia, including burning down Moscow on one occasion. Crimea became a part of Tsarist Russia in 1783. Prior to that, it was first part of the Russian/Byzantine empires, and later, the Golden Horde. The Crimean Tatar Khanate started in 1441.
Russia moved in not b
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Russia was party to an agreement guaranteeing Ukraine's territorial integrity in exchange for Ukraine giving up its share of the Soviet nuclear arsenal. Russia went back on that agreement, and apart from showing the duplicitous nature of the Kremlin, it also ably demonstrates that once you have nukes, never give them up, because they remain the most singularly effective way of guaranteeing territorial integrity.
As how Crimea became part of Ukraine, well is that any different than how Poland and other neighb
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Ukraine keeping its nukes wouldn't have done a thing for it: the controls remained in Moscow. It wasn't like the Ukrainians & Kazakhs - the 2 republics aside from Russia that had nukes - were gonna get the codes and own the ones in their territory. That's why Leonid Kravchuk wanted those nukes gone - not b'cos he was a pacifist, but b'cos there were weapons in his country that were not in his contol
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Who is WE you are talking about?
Since the fall of the Berlin wall and Glasnost in Russia, who has been the aggressor and why?
Okay, before Putin came to power, which is what you described, the US was the aggressor. Like during Clinton's 'Wag the dog' operation in bombing Serbia, which never did anything remotely anti-American. By supporting Chechen rebels against Russia. By continuing to expand NATO, despite the fact that NATO's rationale for existing - countering the Warsaw Pact & the Soviet Union - were gone!
GP was right. On 9/11, Islam showed us that it had succeeded Communism as the ideological enemy of not just the
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Serbians were committing genocide. They deserved to bombed.
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Not sure if trolling or just very stupid, but probably the latter.
The first Chechen war started when Putin was just an aide to a mayor, when islamists rebelled in a province of Russia. But setting that aside, what you are basically saying is that supporting islamist separatists was a good thing because it was about countering the aggression of the government forces (a.k.a "the federals"). If that is the case, why exactly do you condemn Russia supporting separatists in the Ukraine? Do separatists need to be islamists for you to cheer for them? Do you support the islamic state as well?
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Wow, what a leap...
No, I'm saying that *generally* the Russians have been the aggressors in the conflicts we've had with them either directly or by proxy since the cold war, not us. I know that folks like to paint the USA as the overriding aggressive military power in the world running around creating havoc due to our imperialist bent, but this simply is NOT true. We have put our oar in a couple of places that in retrospect where mistakes or where the results where less than we had hoped, but in most case
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Yep, very stupid it is. Care to explain how supporting terrorists in Nicaragua or islamists in Afghanistan made the world better?
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As dundelfalke pointed out above, the First Chechen war happened during Yeltsin's leadership, immediately after the Soviet Union dissolved. The Chechens wanted to become independent of Russia.
It might have been one thing to support them at the beginning. But years later, when the Chechens have shown that they are Jihadists - be it in the Moscow theater, Beslan, Boston or Chechnya itself, why does anybody who doesn't want to see the West destroyed think that the Chechens are worth supporting? It would i
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In foreign policy and in life, sometimes the "right" thing to do isn't 100% clear and sometimes even doing what seems to be the right thing brings you a bad outcome. You must make your best choice based on the right motives and move on. Hindsight is 20/20 and there is benefit of reviewing one's mistakes, however, if one is honest with themselves up front there will be no need of questioning your motives.
SO, what am I saying here? Simple... Yes, some of what the USA has done has not worked out well, we'v
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The whole idea of NATO was to protect as many European countries as possible from Communism - namely the Warsaw Pact. In 1991, not only did the Warsaw Pact come undone, w/ the exits of Poland, Czechoslovakia & Hungary, but also the Soviet Union came undone. Some of the ex Soviet leaders remained in power in their countries, like in Belarus, Kazakhstan & Uzbekistan, but Russia, which was the successor state to the USSR, was no longer Communist.
Given that reality, NATO should have disbanded. Sin
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Putin came to power by engineering a war with Chechnya, Yeltsin seemed to basically step aside for him (maybe in return for promising to drop investigations). Everytime Putin does another invasion he gets a big surge in popularity. Right now the only difference between Putin in Russia today and the premieres in the Soviet era is that the Soviets at least had an ideology that they followed and you could quickly drop from favor if you appeared to not be ideologically correct.
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Some don't agree and felt that the war in Iraq was justified. In fact, CONGRESS agreed at the time with both Iraq and the Afghan wars. Heck, even the UN agreed with this decision... I'm sorry you don't agree, but you are entitled to think what you want.
Thanks for your service.
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Given the intelligence then, the Iraq war seemed justified at the time due to the suspicion of WMDs, and them getting into the hands of Jihadists. But the real mistake in both Iraq & Afghanistan was making those long term projects.
In Afghanistan, in December 2001, after Kandahar fell to the US forces and the Taliban regime collapsed, that was when the war should have ended for the US. Yeah, have special forces in the country & Pakistan to scour for Osama, but don't try designing a new govern
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Mongo have similar experience.
Kremlin critisized... what a joke (Score:2)
Kremlin criticized the U.S. action as politically-motivated
Has there ever been a decision concerning the U.S.-Russian relations that was made based on facts and pragmatism rather than politics and ideology? On the other hand, after the recent events it's really hard to trust a company tha can not prove their independence from the Russian government.
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Is there any American company that can prove their independence from the U.S. government?
Re:Kremlin critisized... what a joke (Score:5, Insightful)
I think you are asking the wrong question. Of course there does not exist a company that is completely free from the laws, regulations and requirements of the country in which it works (and that includes all countries in which they work for the multinationals).
What you are forgetting in your question is that, in the United States, CEOs are not murdered by the United States government if they oppose the chief executive, as has happened with Russians. You are forgetting that the United States is not an official kleptocracy (yet) where plutocratic friends of Vladimir Putin are free to steal from the country's resources at the expense of the taxpayers and that the government there is absolutely uninterested in transparency. You are forgetting that, in Russia, there are no checks and balances, the Judiciary is not independent of the central government, that the legislature (Duma) does not hold hearings to investigate the President or the Prime Minister and that the current President found a loophole in the country's constitution that allows him to hold onto power for much longer than his country's constitutional intent.
From this standpoint, a company that is located in the United States is unfettered by the politics of the day, as long as the company produces a valuable product and is a good corporate citizen. When our federal government asked for a "back door" (as a forinstance) into the Apple iPhone, Apple fought it. and, although the issue was declared moot, the government had to come up with a hack that would work on its own.
Were Apple's headquarters in Moscow or St. Petersburg, there would be no appeal to a court—they would have been forced to comply. And there might have been a sudden, unexplained death of the CEO were there any resistance.
So, my answer to your question is, yes. Companies are independent from our government here in the United States. They do not exist at the pleasure and tolerance of our Chief Executive as they do in Russia
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I am not in the habit of replying to anonymous cowards. You are a troll, sir and should be modded as such.
However, I am going to provide two links. The first is an article that includes the motion before the Court in the "All Writs Act" case. Now, you are claiming that this was just a PR stunt. I don't know what planet you live on, but hiring outside counsel to appeal such an order from the FBI is expensive, and there is absolutely no profit in it. So the document from Apple cost them money and did not prod
Re: Kremlin critisized... what a joke (Score:2, Interesting)
Russian and the US could get along, they actually have a lot in common. Hope to see it happen someday. The world would be a safer place.
Re: Kremlin critisized... what a joke (Score:5, Insightful)
Just a few examples:
1) Both are actively fighting radical Islamic terrorist threats
2) Both are pretty conservative (in opposition to the ultra-liberal European norm)
3) Both are very religious and very Christian (in opposition to the increasingly atheist/agnostic European norm)
4) Both are very patriotic (in opposition to the cynical European norm)
5) Both are taking a fairly hard-line approach to immigration (as opposed to other European countries who seem to just be throwing their doors open to any middle-aged African claiming to be a sixteen-year-old Syrian refugee)
6) Both still have an active and functioning space program
7) Both are very pro-military--in spirit, funding, and practice.
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Even though I have a lot of sympathy for the Russians I honestly prefer the European norms. Better that than a bunch of religious nutters wielding way too much power.
Besides, USA has happily supported islamists for a long time and still does and the Russian space program is neither active nor functioning. Hasn't been for a long time which is a fucking shame because it used to be awesome.
But yes, Americans and Russians have indeed something in common - they are both very nationalistic and believe in might ma
Re: Kremlin critisized... what a joke (Score:2)
Using a slightly updated launcher from 1953. How is that a functioning space program? Russia has tried to build a replacement for it and Proton for the last 25 years, that replacement had its first test launch in 2014 and its second test launch will happen next year.
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If you think the Russians are barbarians, you really need mental help.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org]
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They should fucking blame Putin then. (Score:5, Interesting)
Kaspersky should realise that their word that they aren't acting on behalf of the Russian government isn't worth shit. Putin is all fucking powerful in Russia and there is no rule of law there. So when they say they aren't at the behest of Russian intelligence, nobody fucking believes them.
Grow some balls and take back your kleptocracy from Dear Leader Putin and then maybe someone will believe you when you say you aren't a vehicle for Russian government malware.
Re:They should fucking blame Putin then. (Score:4, Insightful)
Putin is certainly corrupt but he's not all powerful even in Russia. There are other oligarchs besides him in that country. I'm sure that Kaspersky Labs does things for the Russian Intel agencies. Just like Microsoft does things for the NSA in this country.
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Russian oligarchs that don't follow Putin's orders end up dead and in jail.
That's the difference between Russia and the USA. We don't kill our cranky billionaires, or jail them on phony charges.
The Trump crime family broke alot of laws in their treasonous collusion with Russia's attack on our country, but we still let him run for president and "win"
Opposition figures in Russia are imprisoned and bankrupted by Vladimir Putin who has even less regard for the rule of law that his puppet Donald Trump. Once we k
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You know, I'm still waiting to see evidence of this collusion you speak of. So far, the best they've come up with in the last 8 months of singing that song is Don Jr. meeting a lawyer. That's it. Nothing else. I'm starting to think it might be time for them to come up with a new attack vector. Unless they bring some kind of indictment in the next 6 months or so, continuing this "Russia" story will destroy democrats in the midterms. Of course, if they can get an indictment, that puts the Republicans in a pic
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What I saw in Don Jr's emails and his interview wasn't collusion. Only political motivation would say so, no one serious has said more than "he might have stepped over the line." Given what Hilliary walked off on I think the bar is a little higher than you think for an indictment. I know for a fact what she did would have sent me to a long sentence in Ft. Leavenworth prison if I had done it while in the Air Force. But we shall see. My money is that it's yet another "nothing burger." ;)
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Maybe you should actually start jailing crooks instead of making them presidents again and again.
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The only real difference is that our oligarchs have to dance around the Constitution. It limits their ability to rule with absolute power as they have to use willing pawns in Congress and the White House and twist the rules as much as they can.
Re:They should fucking blame Putin then. (Score:5, Insightful)
Cisco should realize that their word that they aren't acting on behalf of the American government isn't worth shit. The NSA is all fucking powerful in America and there is no rule of law there. So when they say they aren't at the behest of American intelligence, nobody fucking believes them.
Grow some balls and take back your democracy and rule of law and then maybe someone will believe you when you say you aren't a vehicle for American government surveillance.
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What about Cisco? [wikipedia.org]
Mother Russia thanks you for your service.
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Ditto for Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, and all the other American companies vis-a-vis the US government.
Or German companies vis-a-vis the German government.
Or British companies vis-a-vis the British government.
Or French companies vis-a-vis the French government.
Welcome to reality.
Re:They should fucking blame Putin then. (Score:5, Insightful)
Ditto for Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Apple, and all the other American companies vis-a-vis the US government.
Or German companies vis-a-vis the German government.
Or British companies vis-a-vis the British government.
Or French companies vis-a-vis the French government.
Welcome to reality.
The difference is that Russia is uniquely willing both to use malicious hacking as a first option and to apply unconventional pressure on its people. "What's that Eugene, you don't want to backdoor your software for us? Okay, well, we figured there was no harm in asking. By the way, doesn't your mother live near here? I wonder if we should stop by her place for a visit."
So we know of all these tools the US has had at its disposal, but other than maybe Stuxnet and a few others, it's hard to pinpoint real world fallout from their use. You can't swing a dead cat in this world without hitting a server that "patriotic Russian hackers" have compromised.
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The way this works in the US is:
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The way this works in the US is:...
Yes, and one country's method results in jail time if you decide to become a conscientious objector while the other results in a slow painful death [theguardian.com] from radiation poison. By all means, fight your country's injustices, but don't try to morally equate them.
It's idiotic to blame all hacking by Russians on the Russian government. Many of those people really just do it for personal profit.
I'm not talking about how many "cyber" criminals reside in Russia, I'm talking about the very obvious state-sponsored groups [wired.com].
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Stop putting up strawmen; I didn't "morally equate" anything. I simply made it clear that the US government has effective means of forcing companies to comply with the demands of its spy agencies. And if you think that the US (or France or
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The difference is that Russia is uniquely willing both to use malicious hacking as a first option and to apply unconventional pressure on its people.
Huh? That's a difference? Are you a time traveler that somehow skipped the past 2 years?
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Grow some balls and take back your kleptocracy from Dear Leader Putin and then maybe someone will believe you when you say you aren't a vehicle for Russian government malware.
Easy to say, difficult to do. For example, the US also has an oligarchy problem and while you are free than in Russia, you are quite incapable of causing actual change. If you are advocating for violence than I would point out that you should take your own advice knowing that you will most certainly end up dead.
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So your advice is "grow some balls and burn bridges with one of your biggest customers with the hope that you will get taken off the banned vendor list by some other customer"?
That has to be the dumbest advice I've seen on slashdot.
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Kaspersky should realise that their word... isn't worth shit.
It would seem they're offering more than just "their word". They agreed to turn over their source code [ciobulletin.com].
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Terribly said, but true. Governments cannot afford to rely on software coming from the opposite camp. Kaspersky may be independent today, but we don't know about tomorrow. The US cannot take that risk.
Just like Russia shouldn't take the risk to rely on any US-based company's software. That's not even hostile, EU also wants its independence in terms of software and hardware, Japan does the same, China does the same ... that's just obvious strategy.
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The Pee Memos and the Russian Attorney are linked to the same Democratic Party black ops company, FusionGPS.
https://www.washingtonpost.com... [washingtonpost.com]
Not only that, but HRC campaign colluded with Ukrainian Government against Trump
A veteran DNC operative who previously worked in the Clinton White House, Alexandra Chalupa, worked with Ukrainian government officials and journalists from both Ukraine and America to dig up Russia-related opposition research on Trump and Manafort. She also shared her anti-Trump research with both the DNC and the Clinton campaign, according to the Politico report.
Both R and D are doing whatever it takes to win an election. No story here, unless you're equally outraged at "collusion" between Hillary and Ukraine, this is a nothing story.
The problem is, both sides are in deep, but we only hear about Trump.
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"Kaspersky only pawn in game of life"
Sure, of course (Score:1)
Yes, of course they are being used as a pawn. But that doesn't mean they aren't being used to spy on their customers, in fact it makes it all the more likly.
Welcome to the big time ... (Score:2)
I hope this doesn't escalate (Score:3)
If they outlaw Jetbrains then only outlaws will have Jetbrains.
And I will be in trouble because Netbeans and Eclipse just doesn't cut it for me anymore.
Could there be a Kremlin back-door or trojan in Kaspersky anti-virus? I don't think so but unfortunately it is too easy to imagine. And it might even be something Putin is not aware of.
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That is amazing. I don't have a security clearance so I wouldn't have known that.
It isn't clear to me what the concern is. Jetbrains tools are complex enough to hide something in but they are just honking big Java programs pretty easy to sandbox if you must.
Is the Linux kernel also banned? I understand there is a lot of Russian code there, specifically the networking part.
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No, but 'we' also review and submit code, as well as work to secure it. SELinux is a good example.
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Will they get sacrificed or promoted to a queen?
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LOL, yeah, that's one way to put it. acting as an intermediary between russian intelligence and the business world has been almost their entire business model for the past decade, so their passive voice is a bit disingenuous now.
"i am shocked, shocked!, to find gambling in this establishment."
Well they should just move to India (Score:2)
problem solved.
Doesn't matter - it's free (Score:2)
ClamAV isnt on the list either
On the other hand, you don't need to buy ClamAV to be able to use it.
(Software is opensource, databases are freely available).
So it doesn't matter.
Whereas now, as a consequence of removing Kaspersky lab from the official list,
government entity interested in using it need to buy their own copies.
(That in addition of all the "removed because russian ties" negative publicity).
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History shows that McCarthy was seeing "Russians" around every corner... Treason in any interaction with a "Russian" real or not... McCarthyism is the practice of making accusations of subversion or treason without proper regard for evidence.(See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... [wikipedia.org] )
What has been the #1 news story for the last 9 months? How's this any different?
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No, what memo? LOL.. Oh you mean the DNC talking points about why Hillary lost the election memo... No, I didn't get a copy, I'm not on their mailing list and I don't watch MSMBC or CNN... My bad..
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The difference is that Donald Trump and the Trump crime family have actually committed treason, colluding with a hostile foreign government.
I'm going to stop you right there. This assertion has NO proof. Not to mention that Treason has a constitutional definition (Article 3, section 3).. Plus, what does "colluding" look like and how's THAT a crime? And in what way is a hostile foreign government describe Russia?
Now I suppose that it is theoretically possible that your confident assertion of collusion turns out to be true, the problem you have is up to this point, there has been zero evidence of this narrative. The Russians were trying to m
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You continue to make confident assertions of things for which you have zero real evidence. There is a whole lot of supposition and assumptions, but no actual evidence that Trump and Russia acted together and lots of people have been looking at this under a microscope for MONTHS (if not over a year if you believe Comey's testimony that HE started looking back in early 2016). We've had all sorts of stuff coming out, leaks of all kinds and a lots of pontificating by the democrats about how "THIS new revelatio
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It's Classified eh? LOL Right, why haven't the details been leaked then? We've had leaks of classified information though out this whole dang process so being classified doesn't seem to be a valid reason we don't know it... My guess is there is nothing to leak... But hey, what can I say? I'm not cleared to see this stuff, nor are you (I assume) so we are not resolving this debate here. I mean the Flynn conversation with the Russians getting exposed was from classified information and we found out about
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