Women Still Underrepresented in Information Security (betanews.com) 374
An anonymous reader shares a report: Women make up only 11 percent of the cyber security workforce according to the latest report from the Center for Cyber Safety and Education and the Executive Women's Forum (EWF). The survey of more than 19,000 participants around the world finds that women have higher levels of education than men, with 51 percent holding a master's degree or higher, compared to 45 percent of men. Yet despite out qualifying them, women in cybersecurity earned less than men at every level and the wage gap shows very little signs of improvement. Men are four times more likely to hold C and executive level positions, and nine times more likely to hold managerial positions than women, globally. More worrying is that 51 percent of women report encountering one or more forms of discrimination in the cybersecurity workforce. In the Western world, discrimination becomes far more prevalent the higher a woman rises in an organization.
Yeah... (Score:5, Insightful)
...garbage disposal and off-shore drilling too! Come on women, WTF!
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What is with these SJW's incessant push to make sexes equally represented in ALL industries???
There will be more women in some industries and more men in some industries.
Re:Yeah... (Score:5, Insightful)
Well.. in the early days of computing, it was a field dominated by women. So it's not that they can't do the job; we know, intellectually, women are more than adequate for IT. The question becomes: why did women fall out of IT/Programming roles?
Or maybe the question is, why do women tend to choose other careers, and how can we force them to choose things they don't want to choose just so things will be "equal"?
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Sorta. Women in programming were basically computers, had to be good in math but
able to handle really, really redundant and repetitive computational calculation tasks. It
was basically a secretarial pool. Over the years that reality has been exaggerated to make
it appear as it was a female dominated industry at first; and it, sadly, was not. That's not to
say there weren't brilliant and capable girls, but that's the historical reality. It was probably
a slightly cleaner
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Re:Yeah... (Score:5, Informative)
why did women fall out of IT/Programming roles?
Because the "programming" most women did was laboriously transcribing algorithms written by men onto the punch cards. Those women were replaced by compilers.
Re:Yeah... (Score:5, Interesting)
...garbage disposal and off-shore drilling too! Come on women, WTF!
Good point, much like one in a Camille Paglia interview [vice.com] published yesterday.
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Re:Yeah... (Score:4, Interesting)
Feels good eh? Being all right and righteous? Because I have a friend who runs a crane with a construction crew. The simple fact she's on the team is a constant issue for the men, they can't seem to get over it.
My recent forays into manufacturing have given me some view into this, after visiting the contact manufacturer's factory to get things kicked off. It's not that the people are nasty or rude; the company I'm at has rather more women than is usual for the area (i.e. more than zero in senior and technical roles) and I dunno, but the reaction has been a bit peculiar. Like some of the guys don't quite know how to talk to a female senior technical person or CEO.
And that's of course when they have a huge incentive to be nice because we're paying them lots of money. But some of the guys there seem kinda confused and panicy. It's been odd and interesting to witness it close up: it's very different from the creepy stalker behaviour I've seen at conferences.
Re:Yeah... (Score:4, Insightful)
I will now wait for you to strike down upon me with great vengeance and furious anger
No, you post is just bland stupidity. It's not enough to invoke hugely strong emotions. The best you'll get is a very mildly dispairing sigh followed by a slight head shake. It will soon be fogotten, save to add another grain of sand to the huge pile of asshat on the internet.
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One day maybe you'll realize calling an argument "stupid" does not refute it.
You didn't make an argument, you said a bunch of stupid stuff and declared people would be angry about it. When you can actually muster an argument, I'll refute it.
reading comprehension fail.
Oh this is the bit where you invent your own version of reality because the actual one doesn't suit.
Done talking to you.
Huh, guess I win then.
Re:Yeah... (Score:4, Informative)
Many lumberjacks identify as female.
Proof: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
Women want security and not to feel abandoned (Score:2)
Nothing in IT offers job security. STEM roles are just far too insecure and unstable in general, is the problem. Of course, that's the problem for older men quite often too.
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Wait until el Presidente Tweetie learns of this. There will be a new Executive Order, No More Security Exploits of Government Systems, All Security Personnel Can Hence Be Given Their Walking Papers.
It will be flogged as a bid to streamline the federal government and get it out of the lives of the people he cares most about, industry sycophants who come crawling to his Oval Office with baubles and trinkets to be used for the next election.
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Wait until el Presidente Tweetie learns of this. There will be a new Executive Order, No More Security Exploits of Government Systems, All Security Personnel Can Hence Be Given Their Walking Papers.
Uh, no. Congress approved and funded the contract. It's very unlikely that Congress will cancel the contract willy-nilly without evidence of criminal wrongdoing. Talks are underway for the next five-year contract.
[...] industry sycophants who come crawling to his Oval Office with baubles and trinkets to be used for the next election.
Uh, no. Trump has 500 positions to fill in Washington, D.C. He values loyalty above all else in employees. Finding 500 people who haven't said a negative thing about him is proving to be a serious personnel problem for his still born administration.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/12/us/politics/tr [nytimes.com]
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CONTRACTS are hard to cancel. Delivery orders, not so much. Zero a tasking, and every contractor on that task is told to pack their stuff and out-process. . .
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The problem is cybersecurity is a pretty sucky job, a mindless head fuck. You can never ever really secure a system, all you really do is pretend to do stuff and survive until there is a major breech you can never ever really prevent. Just one greedy git and passwords are gone, secrete hardware installed, software embedded. That git does not even have to be in your company but can be in your hardware supply chain and in the software supply chain, in the network supply chain or even in Government agencies. A
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The problem is cybersecurity is a pretty sucky job, a mindless head fuck.
Writing scripts fixes the headaches of securing thousands of workstations.
The bulk of cybersecurity is pretending to keep secure what you inherently can not keep secure.
The bulk of InfoSec is fixing existing problems as they are discovered and putting in preventative measures where necessary. Nothing will prevent a determined hacker from getting in. The ultimate goal is to make is so difficult to hack that they will move on to a softer target.
You will always lack the budget and resources and control to do the job properly, you juts pretend and hope for the best.
After several high-profile data breaches, Congress forked over the money to address these issues.
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Not everyone is comfortable being a parasitic leech.
Those people are shocked to discover that government job means work and often find themselves back on the unemployment within two weeks. My coworkers and I have zero tolerance for slackers.
Re:Women want security and not to feel abandoned (Score:4, Funny)
My coworkers and I have zero tolerance for slackers.
Hey now, it wasn't THAT bad a film!
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Oh, there's slacking out there, but it's typically from the "ROAD" (Retired on Active Duty) senior civil servants, whose skills typically went out of date in the early 90s, and are holding out for another seniority gate or a buyout. . .
Contractors KNOW they can be dropped at short notice. Hell, that's one of the theories behind the "Vault 7" CIA leaks just released on Wikileaks: task order abruptly ended with zero notice, and people wanting a little revenge. . .
Enough (Score:3, Insightful)
Shut the fuck up already. If there are fewer women it's because fewer of them are interested not because evil men want to keep them out.
Re:Enough (Score:4, Insightful)
Correct.
IT and engineering in general is an anti social interest. The best people in the industry are very independent and highly socially deficient if not emotionally deficient. Being on light on the autism spectrum is actually a job qualification.
Women simply are predominantly more social and less aggressive. Women are suited for IT management. The fewer women that are doing it the fewer women that want to do it.
This is old territory... (Score:5, Insightful)
Yet despite out qualifying them, women in cybersecurity earned less than men at every level and the wage gap shows very little signs of improvement.
Hereâ(TM)s an idea I'd like to float, something that I've never heard considered before: Perhaps there simply isn't a legion of women who want to work in the cybersecurity world?
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Only 0.3% of dry wall installers are women. We need more female drywall installers! Over 95% of office assistants are women. We need more male office assistants!
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Here's an idea I'd like to float, something that I've never heard considered before: Perhaps there simply isn't a legion of women who want to work in the cybersecurity world?
Here's an idea I'd like to float, something that I've never heard considered before: Perhaps there is a physical difference between men and women . . .?
Whoa...there's some things baby I just can't swallow
Mama told me that girls are hollow
Uh-uh...
What's inside a girl?
Somethin's tellin' me there's a whole nuther world
Ya gotta pointy bra...ten inch waist
Long black stockings all over the place
Boots...buckles...belts outside.
Whatcha got in there yer tryin' a-hide?
Hmmm?
What's inside a girl?
Ain't n
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Hereâ(TM)s an idea I'd like to float, something that I've never heard considered before: Perhaps there simply isn't a legion of women who want to work in the cybersecurity world?
I've heard it many times, and it's likely true. However, that question just raises another, why don't women want to work in the cybersecurity field?
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For the same reason they tend to stay away from STEM fields. STEM fields reward individual success, not team success. Women are social, individual success has less importance to them than working in a supportive team that is doing well.
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For the same reason they tend to stay away from STEM fields. STEM fields reward individual success, not team success. Women are social, individual success has less importance to them than working in a supportive team that is doing well.
Care to provide supportive data? I know most of my STEM career has been spent working in teams, but maybe that's an outlier.
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You've clearly never worked on/in a hen floor/industry. 'Supportive team' my ass.
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That may explain why there are less women in the field but it shouldn't explain why a woman should earn less at the entry level like your quote states.
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If the wage gap from the quote corresponds to identical salaried positions, then you might have a point regarding entry level wages. If, however, it corresponds to hourly wage positions, and annual incomes are being compared (as often occurs in these types of click-baity articles), then, given that plenty of data suggests women generally put in fewer hours than men, men will generally earn more over the course of a year. Unless you advocate cutting men's real wages, or force everyone to work identical amoun
Re:This is old territory... (Score:5, Funny)
However, something like 95% of workplace-related deaths are men. We need to close the death gap by killing more women.
And the outrage clickbait (Score:4, Insightful)
continues unabated.
Hold the fuck on! (Score:2)
We have 'Switft on Security', whoever HE is. What can go wrong?
Pushing towards any different than pushing away? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Pushing towards any different than pushing away (Score:5, Insightful)
Letting women choose as individuals would run contrary to modern feminism where women must exist only as representatives of the group.
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Letting women choose as individuals would run contrary to modern feminism where women must exist only as representatives of the group.
It also runs contrary to modern statistics. The data suggests that women as a statistical group have different career experiences than men. The question is why?
Do women have different capabilities? Why?
Do women have different preferences? Why?
Are women given fewer opportunities?
We have seen these stories over and over, but we haven't seen answers to these questions.
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These questions are addressed in endless studies. It's a shame people always mod links to them down.
Here is a very detailed study that answers the questions you asked, and offers solutions: http://www.jite.informingscien... [informingscience.org]
From there it is easy to find more information:
http://lib.dr.iastate.edu/cgi/... [iastate.edu] - problems in education
http://www.npr.org/sections/al... [npr.org] - work culture
And since someone always claims that the stats are wrong, here are some experts explaining that the gap is real: https://www.reddit.com/r [reddit.com]
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Bring able to make individual choices is the basis of feminism, you prat. Including modern feminism.
In theory. In practice some choices are more "correct" than others. Never underestimate the ability of politicians and their minions to screw up a good idea.
Re:Pushing towards any different than pushing away (Score:4, Funny)
Individual choice derived from conscious, unconscious, and environmental factors? Are you kidding? That's fascism!
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Individual choice derived from conscious, unconscious, and environmental factors? Are you kidding? That's fascism!
I think it's the unconscious and environmental factors part that people are getting hung up on.
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Remove any barriers but let them choose. Maybe some fields are not inherently interesting, we have evolved to have different capabilities and perspectives. If this results in preferences so be it. Let people do what they prefer.
Perhaps they believe they won't succeed in some fields so they don't try. In that case, their barrier is their own prejudice.
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Remove any barriers but let them choose. Maybe some fields are not inherently interesting, we have evolved to have different capabilities and perspectives. If this results in preferences so be it. Let people do what they prefer.
Perhaps they believe they won't succeed in some fields so they don't try. In that case, their barrier is their own prejudice.
That seems an issue of preparation, of introduction to the field. That's the sort of barrier I would remove. Recall "shop" classes in high school? Similar thing, everyone takes a required "intro to programming" type shop class. For those that happen to be somewhat interested they can take the elective more advanced version of that shop class. Not unlike the successful model of decades past.
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That seems an issue of preparation, of introduction to the field. That's the sort of barrier I would remove. Recall "shop" classes in high school? Similar thing, everyone takes a required "intro to programming" type shop class. For those that happen to be somewhat interested they can take the elective more advanced version of that shop class. Not unlike the successful model of decades past.
I know my education in the 90's had exactly that. 8 weeks of shop, 8 weeks of programing, 8 weeks of home economics, 8 weeks of art, 8 weeks of health. Everyone had to take those classes.
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That seems an issue of preparation, of introduction to the field. That's the sort of barrier I would remove. Recall "shop" classes in high school? Similar thing, everyone takes a required "intro to programming" type shop class. For those that happen to be somewhat interested they can take the elective more advanced version of that shop class. Not unlike the successful model of decades past.
I know my education in the 90's had exactly that. 8 weeks of shop, 8 weeks of programing, 8 weeks of home economics, 8 weeks of art, 8 weeks of health. Everyone had to take those classes.
Honestly though, I think it still has to do with gender roles in our society has a whole. I remember enjoying shop, programing, home ec., and art class. I was surprised to find sewing just as satisfying as wood working. I think it has to do with making something with my hands. However, I still lean towards the shop and programming activities to this day, and it's probably due to the stigma society puts on home economics as "women's work".
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These days, with ubiquitous computers, if a kid isn't programming well before high school, the ship has already sailed.
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That's a great idea, but I think you'll still wind up with fewer women interested in programming. Being interested in programming means you're willing to spend hours and hours alone in front of a screen, cursing in frustration at life, the universe and everything. Few men and fewer women voluntarily put up with that kind of abuse.
There will never be a point, though, when the feminists say "oh, women just don't want to do these shitty jobs." They'll still blame the men.
questionable study (Score:4, Insightful)
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Well, you aren't aware of any women who are paid less than their male counterparts! So that must mean every woman in every place in your country must be paid exactly the same as their male peers.
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It actually mentions in the summary and TFA that they found the same thing even at C level (3% difference after amounting for qualifications, experience, age).
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comparing education levels and pay in cybersecurity makes me immediately question this studies conclusions. Anyone working in this industry will be aware that beyond your first job interview your degrees mean less than nothing. Experience and industry knowledge is what earns pay levels in cybersecurity and I am not aware of any of my female colleagues that get paid less for the same job.
I think you can even extend that to your first job interview. Nearly everything I know about computers and computer security did not come from any classes I took at University. For me, it all came from hobby time.
When I interview NCGs (new college grads), I have no interest in their degree at all except why they wanted to pursue that degree. I spend all my time trying to figure out what motivates them to learn outside the classroom and see if they have a natural curiosity for the subject. I'm not inter
Individual Choice (Score:4, Insightful)
Not all ppl, let alone girls, are capable of IT related jobs, especially security. For most individuals, a career in IT comes from a passion about tech at a young age. If a child is not passionate about some aspect of IT, no amount of funding of gender discriminating STEM programs is going to entice someone into the field.
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I don't buy it. I wasn't interested in electronics until I was a teenager. I leaned it, learned to love it and appreciate it an art form, found I had a talent for it.
Exposure in early years helps, but isn't a requirement.
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So what? (Score:5, Insightful)
>> Women make up only 11 percent of the cyber security workforce
So what? Thats called FREEDOM TO CHOOSE. Everything shows that's actually by their choice, partly because women are just not mentally as suited as men are to doing jobs like programming.
https://www.netnanny.com/learn... [netnanny.com]
If you're gonna get up in arms about numeric gender equality, you should be more bothered about why only 9% of nurses are men. Yeah thought not.
http://www.beckershospitalrevi... [beckershos...review.com]
Not just that (Score:5, Insightful)
Women are obtaining 61% of the Masters degrees in the US, the majority of which are NOT STEM RELATED! A PoliSci degree does no good for IT, let alone a specialty like IT Security. Can I take my 4 year Mathematics degree and instantly work in the Medical field? How about being a Sociologist? Journalist?
Once again we have pure propaganda creating a false narrative with a single fact where hundreds would need to be analyzed. Do sane people actually have to contemplate why many people call "Leftism" a mental disease?
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To be fair, the women making these reports on sexism probably don't have degrees that involved a course in statistics.
More seriously, whenever politics gets involved people throw honesty in the shitter and will deceive as much as they can get away with in order to convince you they're right.
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A PoliSci degree does no good for IT, let alone a specialty like IT Security.
I had a General Education A.A. degree when I started my technical career 20+ years ago as a video game tester. I later went back to school to get a Computer Programming A.S. degree. I'm currently doing InfoSec and studying for InfoSec certifications.
Can I take my 4 year Mathematics degree and instantly work in the Medical field? How about being a Sociologist? Journalist?
The average person will have five or six careers during their lifetime. Each career transition will require training to get started. What you learned from your four-year mathematics degree can be applicable to different and seemingly unrelated fields.
Do sane people actually have to contemplate why many people call "Leftism" a mental disease?
What does t
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>> The average person will have five or six careers during their lifetime.
I'm not convinced thats true of Software Engineers at least.
All the "real" Software Engineers I've ever met might change companies but would never change careers.
Time and again I've seen people hired for software engineering positions that obviously are doing it for the money rather than any interest, passion or innate ability for it (a very common indicator is that their degree is in some other totally unrelated field such as s
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Totally agree. However where any sane person or metric would show their change as damaging/worse, lefties always just see "improved".
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Women are obtaining 61% of the Masters degrees in the US, the majority of which are NOT STEM RELATED!
Why is that the case?
Easy (Score:2)
Choice!
Choices are based generally on two things.
1. Aptitude testing (if you suck at it you probably won't do it)
2. Personal Life Goals
There is no triple secret back room meetings with men claiming "We will help women into and through master level degrees in all areas except for STEM. If a women goes into STEM we won't pay the college bills and we won't hire them.
Belief in such is worthy of institutionalization for insanity.
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Choices are based generally on two things. 1. Aptitude testing (if you suck at it you probably won't do it) 2. Personal Life Goals
Assuming that's true, why don't women make their life goals a career in STEM?
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Women are obtaining 61% of the Masters degrees in the US, the majority of which are NOT STEM RELATED!
A problem is arising out of that as well. Mates. As a gender most women want to "marry up" when dealing with men as mates. But the numbers speak for themselves. It becomes a huge issue when her degree is in one of the "fries with that?" degrees like gender studies, where careers are rare. You have a lot of women, and very few guys that meet her demands.
I've been on record after workingg for years to try to get young ladies interested in STEM, and overwhelmingly, they are not. Not interested in the least.
Possibly not the cause you think it is (Score:5, Insightful)
I remember having a conversation with a woman tech executive at a very large company. She told me that she has done everything in her power to attract women into the field and specifically into their workplace. Yet, she was unable to break through this imbalance. And this was the top tech exec at the company and she said they just could not maintain the levels of females in the workforce in their company that she wanted. It was, in fact, far, far, below the levels she wanted.
After being in the tech industry for years, I can honestly say that I really do not encounter the implied institutional discrimination in the tech industry. Is there an imbalance in representation? Yes. However, I feel like these imbalances are indicators of other things. It could be cultural things. It could be something else. Maybe even in specific companies, there is a problem. But I feel like these statistics are more of indicators of some other cause than discrimination within the tech industry as a whole.
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I am going to go out on a limb and say it's a cultural thing, but that's still discrimination. I will even be as bold to say that some females discriminate against themselves. They may be very capable of succeeding in the tech industry, but have come to the conclusion that they aren't because they don't fit the stereotype of a tech worker.
So the solution might just be forcing females into jobs to achieve the for some reason correct ratio of male to female, until they discover that they really like the job they weren't interested in? Perhaps a good question, is what is the harm done by a gender imbalance in the Tech field? Then, what is the harm done by an imbalance in say, veterinary science, where there are almost no males?
I've never been able to get anyone on Slashdot to address that one.
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I think part of it is because women are smarter than men. Honestly, look at the work environments that we men in IT/programming have to put up with; there's another article here on /. just above about how shitty open offices are. Why would a woman want to go into this profession? The work environment sucks, the coworkers suck, the stability sucks, the tools and technology suck, etc. There's lots of better careers out there for them. These jobs are *especially* bad when you think about the demands of ha
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I already gave my reasoning: they avoid this crappy profession where you can't get a decent workspace.
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Sounds like Uber.
If we had unions to fight for work-life / family t (Score:4, Insightful)
If we had unions to fight for work-life / family time in IT jobs! then would we be having this talk?
Re:If we had unions to fight for work-life / famil (Score:4, Insightful)
A very large number of IT ppl would never join a union, because they have analytical minds and can see the pointlessness of giving a chunk of their paycheck to a group that only claims to look out for them, but instead makes themselves comfortable.
A lot of IT ppl believe in meritocracy, not socialism, and would rather avoid the industry destruction they've seen in the automotive market. Bad enough when an incompetent manager is kept around to lead a group, worse still when you can't shake off an incompetent team member skating by bc unions.
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You've never worked in an environment with a union have you? All they do is take a $100 or so dollars a month from your pay check (maybe more since it's been a while I've had the unfortunate experience of being in a union shop). When you do need their help they come back saying management can do what they want but you have to give them unwavering support like a cult member. Ask no questions, pay your dues, cross no picket lines, and don't expect anything from them.
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Ask no questions, pay your dues, cross no picket lines, and don't expect anything from them.
You're doing it wrong. When my father had a problem he went straight to top, asked the receptionist which bar the union head was hiding in, and, after she blurts out the bar name, we confronted him in the bar. While father talked to the union head, I stood behind him to make sure he didn't run away. Union heads don't like messing up their $1,000 Italian suits.
Bull fucking shit (Score:5, Insightful)
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Correct. The reality is that women are more expensive for companies given they still end up doing more stuff at home, spend more time on kids and such, so where with a man one person may suffice for a job, in case of women maybe 2 need to be hired to cover for each other when either takes off in the middle of everything.
However they are also more expensive in costs that are not immediate but are hanging out there: government turned women into a protected class and as such they are more dangerous (unexpected
Two Kinds of People... (Score:2, Troll)
Once we acknowledge everyone discriminates, we can stop blaming "other people", and DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT! Everyone is guilty, even the victims. Lets all agree to try harder. The way I see it, it's the only way the situation will improve.
Few in numbers but kick ass as leaders.. (Score:3)
Re:Few in numbers but kick ass as leaders.. (Score:4, Insightful)
This piece of fake news is not about those women. Those women compete on merit and do not need anything given to them for free because they happen to be female. I know quite a few women engineers and scientists in the same class. No, this news is about a type of woman that wants a high salary and a leadership positions solely because she happens to be a women.
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They could just be lucky-idiots... but they did not walk in saying "hire me because I'm a man".
They got hired because they were dicks. Dicks tend to hire other dicks. I'm an asshole and I don't like dicks. I'm always happy to throw a dick or two under the bus.
If they 'actually had problems with having a woman manager' specifically because she is a woman, I'd be very surprised. It's an old trope.
Being old trope doesn't make it invalid. The guys who were let go were always yelling "Me! Me! Me!" when the female team lead was making a presentation before the full time staff. That's annoying. I tossed two under the bus by documenting their behaviors for HR. They were warned, they didn't change. No one returned their phone calls when their
Conditional Probability (Score:3)
Ah, the 1:1 fallacy (Score:4, Insightful)
Sorry, but any job category that has an actual 1:1 male:female ratio is a statistical fluke. Period.
If women want better representation in a given field, the jobs are there. They simply need to have the qualifications to earn them.
And "has a penis" isn't among the qualifications.
Women have equality of opportunity in this country.
But that's not enough for some. They want equality of outcome. Regardless of how stupid the idea is.
In short, anyone, man, woman, any of the umpty-zillion and one self-defined whatevers, if they believe in equality of outcome over equality of opportunity, please do humanity a favor and make sure these people never breed.
The human race is already collectively stupid enough as it is...
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Women have equality of opportunity in this country. But that's not enough for some. They want equality of outcome.
If women have equality of opportunity, then with a large enough sample size, why don't you expect an equal outcome?
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Because there isn't equal interest.
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Because there isn't equal interest.
Why isn't there equal interest? Is there something innate about STEM that women aren't interested in? Or is it individuals trying to fit a self imposed stereotype? e.g. "I can't do STEM, because I'm a girl." If so, why does that stereotype exist?
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And "has a penis" isn't among the qualifications.
So slapping my dick against the server rack is not an essential step in troubleshooting!? I should have known that interview with Microsoft was fake.
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When they scream about not enough male nurses [...]
I had several friends who dropped computer programming to go into healthcare because it was the new money major after the dot com bust. After a decade in the field, they make more money than I do but hate their jobs because all they do is wipe asses and change bedpans. Meanwhile, I'm enjoying my career in IT and my best paying contracts have been hospitals.
[...] and Kindergarten teachers, maybe we'll listen better.
I was encouraged by my college instructors to become a school teacher and took a child development course. When I went to a seminar at the local universi
"Underrepresented" (Score:3)
Those tired old lies again... (Score:3, Insightful)
Women earn about the same for the same work. Deviations are below 5% and it is unclear whom the favor, as this is below the margin of error of such studies. Women are generally not "higher qualified" than men, even if they have more degrees in absolute terms. There are degrees that are easy to get and those that are a lot harder to get. Women have more of the former than men. This whole thing is just a specific type of women trying to make it easy for themselves and get things for free.
That said, these claims just show one thing: It is easy to lie with numbers if you just leave the right bits out. And it shows that people with an agenda like this one are not above lying.
The image (Score:3)
Yeah, so I hope the summary is just misdirected.. (Score:2)
Comments like more women have Master's degrees than Men related to InfoSec skills how?
And it seems like they're talking discrimination at the management and above level. That's something that's hardly limited to InfoSec
Degrees in what? (Score:2)
That's quite a leap.
Women Still Underrepresented in InfoSec (Score:3)
And men are underrepresented in teaching and nursing.
And white people are underrepresented in professional sports.
Except NASCAR...where we need to conscript minorities.
FFS...who keeps posting these articles? (Score:3)
Men are underrepresented as Pre-School teachers. It is overwhelmingly women. Where is the outrage over that? Asian men are underrepresented in the NBA. African American women are underrepresented as Librarians. Who gives a shit?
This reminds me of that idiotic argument that female tennis players at Wimbledon should make the same as the male competitors. Yeah - except that the men play 5 sets (not 3 like the ladies do), and the audience is overwhelmingly larger for the mens events (and, by extension the advertising dollars). Yet Wimbledon succumbed to political pressure. Same tactic here I suppose.
Very few women in the general PC department at my (Score:3)
I work for a public organization, where they would absolutely salivate over hiring any underrepresented group.
In our last round of basic technician hiring, 150 or so people who applied for two positions.This was a job posted well ahead of time, to most of the government jobs websites.
Only two women applied. Of them, one failed the first written exam, and the second failed her hands on test because she didn't want to lift a PC ( job description included lifting 50 pounds occasionally).
The management was tearing out their hair trying to figure out why this was happening.
Re: Power of the pussy (Score:2)
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Perhaps it's because talking too much isn't really a desirable attribute in this field?
Out of interest, is forming misplaced opinions from debunked "facts" a hobby of yours, or do you do it professionally?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/p... [nih.gov]