Oracle Says It Is 'Committed' To Java EE 8 -- Amid Claims It Quietly Axed Future Development (theregister.co.uk) 66
Media reports, citing anonymous Oracle engineers, noted earlier this week that development of Java EE (Enterprise Edition) projects at Oracle had been "practically ceased" since last fall. This led many to wonder about the future of Java. Well, it's all cosy, says Oracle. The software firm assures that it is "committed" to Java. The Register reports: The Redwood City titan said it will present fresh plans for the future of Java EE 8 at its JavaOne conference in San Francisco in September. Version eight is due to be released in the first half of 2017. However, over the past six months, it appeared Oracle had pretty much ceased development of the enterprise edition -- a crucial component in hundreds of thousands of business applications -- and instead quietly focused its engineers on other products and projects. Oracle spokesman Mike Moeller tonight sought to allay those fears, and said a plan for the future of Java EE is brewing. "Oracle is committed to Java and has a very well defined proposal for the next version of the Java EE specification -- Java EE 8 -- that will support developers as they seek to build new applications that are designed using micro-services on large-scale distributed computing and container-based environments on the Cloud," said Moeller.
OOM... Re: Lies! (Score:2)
Re:How Committed? (Score:5, Interesting)
The article refers to Java EE, not Java specifically. EE is a whole other kettle of finish on top of Java, and it's used primarily by large companies who have the resources and manpower to figure out how to use EE in the first place.
Oracle wants sole control of Java EE, because there would be a great deal of money to be made. At least there would be in the short and medium term, for as long as Oracle has these companies by the balls, in the same way they do with their database and other software.
Unfortunately, they can't just "take control" of Java EE, cause it's a community-based system, so they were hoping to just quietly abandon it and roll a completely different - and proprietary - stack instead. Apparently it occurred to someone at the last minute that this would be a monumentally idiotic decision, and doing so would destroy Java in the same way Oracle has already completely fucked up MySQL, OpenOffice, Hudson, etc.
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I was hoping that java would quietly die not that java itself is bad but there is so much java junk developed by companies that is just good enough to ship on a schedule we'll finish fixing it later and then later never comes... I guess it's job security since there is no short supply of crap.
Re:How Committed? (Score:5, Insightful)
I was hoping that <some language> would quietly die not that <some language> itself is bad but there is so much <some language> junk developed by companies that is just good enough to ship on a schedule we'll finish fixing it later and then later never comes... I guess it's job security since there is no short supply of crap.
FTFY
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I'm sure java is not the only one and would quickly be replaced by something else but at the moment the problem children tend to favor java.
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So you're saying then, that even a short run-in with Java ruined your career?
Not at all. When I went back to school to learn computer programming, I was working as a black box tester (no programming). I wanted to become a white box tester (programming). But I got an IT support job and never looked back, making that my career instead. Knowing how to program helps immensely in solving many of the IT problems at work. I'm a firm believer in taking opportunities that present themselves rather than sticking to something where the opportunities don't present themselves. I have no regrets
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There's lots of junk developed on lots of platforms; Java, PHP, .NET, C/C++, Visual Basic 6 and all the VB for Apps legacy cruft automating everything from Microsoft Access forms to Word documents.
Why exactly would you pick on Java?
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it's true all of those things but java is the one I see the most so it annoys me the most and i'm sure if it dies one of those others would replace it in the not so distant future.
Java is just way too confusing... (Score:4, Funny)
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Then there is Java EE, which is not a language, but a framework.
Then there is Javascript, which is a language, but is not releated to Java.
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And there is Java, the island.
Re:Java is just way too confusing... (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Java is just way too confusing... (Score:5, Funny)
And for everything else, there's MasterCard.
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I hear Jabba drinks Java Java with Java lava when he runs Java LAVA on Java on Java.
Re:Java is just way too confusing... (Score:5, Funny)
JavaScript is to Java as Ham is to Hamster.
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You should have used a car analogy. Car analogies are the Cadillac of analogies.
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(Homer murmur) Hamster sandwich....
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Fortunately gnome ann uses JavaScript anymore. ECMAScript on the other hand...
WTF is "cosy"? (Score:3)
Frankly, that reads like an Oracle license agreement. WTF is "cosy"?
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WTF is "cosy"?
It's probably been patented, trademarked, and otherwise been declared as Oracle intellectual property.
So don't use the word "cosy" without a proper license contract from Oracle.
Shit . .. . I just wrote "cosy" . . . now I am going to be stoned to death!
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Real Estate people use "cosy" as a synonym for "too small".
A saying (Score:5, Insightful)
Oracle, where tech goes to die.
It's big business that's in the business simply because they're big and locked into a lot of big clients that can't conceive of doing without them. Why would they innovate? That's hardly part of their business model. Let me put that another way: Their sales team is more important than their engineers. But at least they're not SAP.
It was a death knell for Java when Oracle bought Sun.
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Heck, a while back I was at a client that could conceive of business without them but it's not that easy. Not sure how they got started, but once so many applications we had were using Oracle databases it was hard to change; sure, we kept wanting to, but the project to do so kept getting cut due to constraints in people and time. So we kept oracle one more year with plans to change next year...and never did!
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Somebody dug deep into their financials once and found that 2/3 of Oracle's revenue comes from support contacts.
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Virtualbox is pretty good. When VMPlayer stoppe working reliably (on my exotic `latest version of ubuntu` pc) I just tossed it and started using Virtualbox instead. It's the only Oracle product I've ever actually liked, but credit where it's due and all that.
Hey, I patented that. (Score:2)
The submission said they want to move Java to the Cloud, but I already received a patent on doing Java-ey things on the Cloud. They need my permission first, and pay a hefty licensing fee if they want to put Java on the Cloud.
Best related link at bottom of this page (Score:2)
What's the Oldest Technology You've Used In a Production Environment?
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Well, this is about 20 years ago now, but I administered a bookkeeping office in the early 90s that was using a Cobol-based accounting system. Actually it was a rather good accounting system that actually handled departmental accounting properly.
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One time I forgot my keyfob when I went to the bathroom and got trapped outside. So I used morse code to spell SOS on the front door buzzer until someone came and let me in.
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wheels.
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a wedge (Score:1)
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Assembler. Admittedly it was CDC 7600 assembler. (Well, actually 6600 Assembler being used for input to a 7600. And it was only one small routine for doing random disk I/O.)
only if it's profitable (Score:4, Informative)
The only thing oracle is committed to is making and taking money. To say they are committed is to say, "as long as we keep getting enough money from it, we'll keep doing it!" It's MBA Stupidity 101, only money matters.
Java EE is losing ground anyway (Score:1)
My experience with Java EE has been that it's too complicated to be worth it. Plus the recent push for microservices has displaced Java EE's biggest advantage of being scalable.
Spring has long since been the goto because it's much easier as a development platform and performs well. As an enterprise developer my biggest hurtle is that I have to get x done as quickly as possible and sometimes (almost always) I have to choose the less then elegant solution.
Sometimes we get a bad rep for writing crappy code. It
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My experience with Java EE has been that it's too complicated to be worth it. Plus the recent push for microservices has displaced Java EE's biggest advantage of being scalable.
This exactly. I doubt even the people crying about Oracle not investing enough in it use it as much as they once did, either. Even before the microservices fad, people were using Java EE alternatives like Spring, both because they were easier to get your head around and because most people who did use Java EE were only using some of it and for them the rest was just cruft.
I saw this in a movie once (Score:2)
This is where Arnold hangs up and tells the kid the Java developers are dead.
From their point of view (Score:2)
From their point of view: "We've had this great innovation on how we can improve web-servers and Java productivity. Now shall we put it into WebLogic, where it will give us a competitive advantage and charge for it, or put it into J2EE where it will benefit everyone?".