Techies Hire Witch To Protect Computers From Viruses and Offices From Spirits 232
schwit1 writes: It may seem like your computer or smartphone is possessed by an evil spirit sometimes when a mysterious bug keeps causing an app to crash, but if you truly think your machine has been invaded by an evil spirit, there's someone who will take your call — Reverend Joey Talley. A Wiccan witch from the San Francisco Bay Area, Talley claims to solve supernatural issues for techies. Business Insider reports: "Talley’s website says she welcomes issues too unusual or dangerous to take the the straight world of Western helpers. But she also says no problem is too big or small, even, perhaps, your printer malfunctioning. However before you jump on the phone, you should be aware that Talley’s services do not come cheap. She charges $200 an hour (though a phone consultation is free)."
There is no cure for absolute fucking stupidity. (Score:5, Insightful)
There is no cure for absolute fucking stupidity.
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But there is
http://www.darwinawards.com/ [darwinawards.com]
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It's nonsense [...]
You'd be a case in point. Though it may be that the club of knowledge, appropriately wielded may have some enlightening effect. Can't hurt to try - well, it might hurt you, but that's a small price to pay.
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Whoosh.
And, watch out for the club!
Maybe you'd like to go into more detail with this bit? "women and minorities employed where they should not be" Maybe start by telling us which jobs women and minorities SHOULD NOT be employed in?
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Maybe start by telling us which jobs women and minorities SHOULD NOT be employed in?
That would be (and includes non-minorities and men) any position that was filled due to racial requirements, diversity requirements, bigoted hiring managers, or affirmative action (IE, more racism).
Racism by definition is the belief that people are different because of the color of their skin.
Bigotry is when you do something about it.
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You seem to have it ALMOST right. Let me try saying the same thing, my way.
Those women and minorities who got their jobs BECAUSE they helped to meet a quota don't belong in those jobs.
However - I don't think that there is any profession which is unsuitable for women or minorities. And, sometimes, the woman, or the minority really is the best qualified.
If you're not careful with how you state the obvious, then you risk sounding like yet another asshole bigot. I cannot, will not ban women from an occupation because they are women. But, I can and will go along with any ban of women and/or minorities who FAIL TO MEET QUALIFICATIONS. Nor can I consider lowering standards just to make the unqualified happy.
Real life is not a special Olympics event. If/when I need an EMT, a doctor, a cop, an architect, I want the BEST, not some wannabe who was given the job to make liberals feel good about themselves.
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Women and various flavors of handicapped don't tend to make the best general purpose infantry. Most countries that have tried it end the practice as soon as possible. There are also drawbacks of their employment in some related fields.
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I mostly agree with you there. But, there ARE some women who meet qualifications. The US Marine Corps has not yet had a woman who passed the physical for combat officers - but a handful have come pretty damned close. That handful are almost certainly better soldiers than I could be. In all my life, I've not had the upper body strength and stamina to pass that course.
You know, and I know, that it is a rare women who has greater upper body strength and stamina than a healthy man - but why should we hold t
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I say if a woman is physically capable of meeting the requirements to do the job, more power to her. I'd rather have her on my team than some mal
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You obviously have a source of knowledge. PI or SD?
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I mostly agree with you there. But, there ARE some women who meet qualifications. The US Marine Corps has not yet had a woman who passed the physical for combat officers - but a handful have come pretty damned close. That handful are almost certainly better soldiers than I could be. In all my life, I've not had the upper body strength and stamina to pass that course.
You know, and I know, that it is a rare women who has greater upper body strength and stamina than a healthy man - but why should we hold those rare women back? Let them do whatever they are good at.
As you've noted - most men won't qualify for the U.S. Marines. But that's a false standard and it presupposes that because someone can, they would wish to (I note that qualifying as a Marine doesn't mean you automagically qualify as a Ranger, no disrespect to Marines).
There are SpecOp units with women. Russia's 5th Spetsnaz, France's 11th Parachute Brigade, 13th Parachute Dragoon Reg., Israel's Sayeret Matkal. SpecOp Reconn units like Britains SRR, South Koreas 707th, and that's a far from complete list of
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The US probably has their own small and quiet equivalent (or has had).
The US has a whole slew of these spec ops groups. Here is an (very) incomplete list in order of selection (easy to hard):
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There are SpecOp units with women. Russia's 5th Spetsnaz, France's 11th Parachute Brigade, 13th Parachute Dragoon Reg., Israel's Sayeret Matkal. SpecOp Reconn units like Britains SRR, South Koreas 707th, and that's a far from complete list of units with much higher physical and psychological selection criteria than general infantry (and my military experience is 15 years out of date, more elite units have allowed women since then).
I think if you examine the presence of women in most special forces type units what you will generally find is that they didn't go through the same selection and training process as the primary members of the force. What often happens is that they are either in an attached element with different standards for entry, or in a headquarters or some other element. Many women have proven to be highly capable and resilient in those roles, but that isn't quite the same thing as having passed the same selection an
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There are SpecOp units with women. Russia's 5th Spetsnaz, France's 11th Parachute Brigade, 13th Parachute Dragoon Reg., Israel's Sayeret Matkal. SpecOp Reconn units like Britains SRR, South Koreas 707th, and that's a far from complete list of units with much higher physical and psychological selection criteria than general infantry (and my military experience is 15 years out of date, more elite units have allowed women since then). what you will generally find is that they didn't go through the same selection and training process as the primary members of the force.
I think if you examine the presence of women in most special forces type units.
I suspect that if you bother to research the regiments I mentioned, rather than over-invest the "most" strawman, you may be surprised.
I'd suggest you don't trot that belief out in front of a female SRR unless you'd like to experience a condensed version of P Company selection testing. Or not - it could prove an education.
You sound like an armchair general. There's a difference between direct experience and sophist "knowledge". No amount of reading or watching videos will bridge that gap. I trained and competed with some of those regiments - as have many regiments from the USA. Mutual respect is more common than not.
Lest you get distracted from your original claim - my point is that if women can meet the standards of elite forces, they can meet the standards of general infantry.
They can, and they do.
Women did well as snipers, pilots, anti-aircraft, and many other duties for the Soviets. They were used as infantry at times, and they were removed from that role as soon as the Soviets could manage as I recall.
Your recollections are correct - though it leaves out tank crews (a brutally hard job). There were some instances of women serving on the front lines - and many instances of them being executed for it. Notable exceptions would be (WW1) the Perm Battalion and the 1st Russian Women's Battalion of Death. The actual reasons they were deployed in both WWs in active roles was because necessity overcame the military culture of men only (despite political ideals). I suspect they'd have been deployed in the infantry more often if not for the ready supply of zeks.
Despite military cultural bias (I blame the nepotism that's standard amongst the REMF in the military everywhere) the Russian command recognised that women were superior snipers. But the Russian experience is unique so I don't know if that applies to all women.
The reason they were removed from active service after both WWs was partially due to the changes in military command, and mostly due practical reasons - a need to repopulate.
The Soviet war effort, not to mention the US and UK war effort, would have been greatly weakened without the participation of women.
Agreed.
That still doesn't mean that general purpose infantry is a good place to use them.
On that point we disagree. From my point of view - if I was 40 years younger and re-enlisted I'd prefer to serve along side soldiers selected on the basis of meeting practical standards not cultural biases.
and there are very few women that really have an interest in it.
A weak argument. I'm opposed to the draft - for either gender. And that's been a defining difference between the USA and Australia (, England, and New Zealand) for a long time. Possibly because we have a smaller pool of candidates and less resources to supply them.
I don't believe in equality - it's a myth. Equal opportunity is different. In no way am I suggesting that equal number of women, can, or should be in active duty - only that the criteria should be meeting the operational standards.
If women meet the same standards required for active service - good for them, good for those they serve, and good for those they serve with.
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No women have come close to passing the Marine Infantry Officer Course. A minor percentage of women have passed the Marine enlisted basic infantry course. Unfortunately that course is indeed only the basic level, and further skills and training are needed at the unit. Infantry combat units need to be able to fight a Fallujah, Hue, or Stalingrad for day after day, month after month. The 30 day experiments or 60 day schools used to justify this aren't necessarily going to reveal the point where the seriou
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You might read this lady's story - http://www.washingtonpost.com/... [washingtonpost.com]
That woman has come much closer to passing the test than either you or me. She should know what she is talking about, right?
The rest of the women are unlikely to be shrinking violets - look for their stories too.
Agree or disagree with them, you have to admit that allowing males to take the test a second time, but not permitting females a retry was odd. Why was that? The policy wasn't changed until the policy was exposed to the public lig
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LOL!
Women in infantry tend to be very good soldiers, well motivated with only physical strength as a limitation.
How about you stop commenting on stuff you don't know shit about? That would be most things I gather.
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LOL! Women in infantry tend to be very good soldiers, well motivated with only physical strength as a limitation. How about you stop commenting on stuff you don't know shit about? That would be most things I gather.
While women tend to do better on marksmanship, I'm not sure that alone makes them very good soldiers. Soldiers are war fighters and that includes a lot of heavy lifting. Are there women who make good soliders, sure. Do I think its a 50-50 split in the population, no...and I doubt a good female soldier would think that's true either. I bet they would know that they are far better than the average female at war fighting that that's probably something that they take a great deal of pride in.
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Women in infantry tend to be very good soldiers, well motivated with only physical strength as a limitation.
What a pity that the infantry tends to rely on physical strength. Looks like reality has brutalized another fine theory.
How about you stop commenting on stuff you don't know shit about? That would be most things I gather.
Can I get the same deal from you? You already owe me one.
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It's nonsense like this that is the direct result of lowering hiring standards in order to get a requisite quota of women and minorities employed where they should not be.
Jeezus, dude. Bigot much?
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There is no cure for absolute fucking stupidity.
True, but it's nice that Ellen Pao [wikipedia.org] found new work so quickly.
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There is no cure for absolute fucking stupidity.
If you are referring to every religion that ever existed, then I'd the most I could accuse you of is being a bit insensitive. If you're singling out Wicca, then you are applying a blatant double standard and I would call that "absolutely fucking stupid". So, tell me. Are you religious at all?
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Nope. Completely agnostic / atheist (I'm agnostic but if you really made me choose an answer, then I'm vastly tending towards the atheist).
But my characterisation of something this stupid as stupidity is not based on religious beliefs. Singing, praying, chanting, making funny noises, spraying the room with incense, thinking good thoughts, even swearing at it etc. WILL NOT FIX YOUR PRINTER. It's as simple as that.
There doesn't need to be a religious bias in this to understand that.
The fact that you think
People aren't born ignorant -- they LEARN it (Score:3)
There is no cure for absolute fucking stupidity.
Yes there is. Education.
People aren't usually born ignorant. They pick up stupid ideas from people who don't question what they've "learned" or overheard. Racist kids learn to be racist, either from parents or friends or both. Religious people learn their fictions about an all-powerful being who happens to love them unconditionally and have created them in his image because people *tell* them those fictions. People believe chronic lyme disease should be treated by massive and long-term IV antibiotics b
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You cannot teach those who are not willing to question their own beliefs. This is self-evident in things like science, etc. If you cannot question yourself, then you cannot learn.
Yes, children can be brainwashed, which may TRANSMIT stupidity to them, they might become stupid or ignorant by proxy, but there's no cure if they aren't willing to learn, no matter the reason.
Education only works when people are receptive. It works in children because they are receptive to anything and everything, which is why
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Yes, all true with differing caveats. There are some kinds of stupid that can't be cured or are harder to cure because of the receptivity of the patient. Sometimes other avenues work (changes in social attitudes coming from their friends or co-workers) and create a useful feedback loop to correct some of the stupid. And sometimes, absolutely, kids are raised with habits that are intended to keep them ignorant or deluded. (See, e.g., going to religious service once a week).
You can't fix some versions of
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People aren't usually born ignorant
While I agree with the gist of what you say, to some extent, I think your wording is unfortunate. Being ignorant means, by definition, to not know about something, so we are all born ignorant - that's why I prefer to use the term 'stupid' as something distinct from 'ignorant': stupid is when you learn to ignore facts to protect a belief, that would otherwise be proven false. I am ignorant about a lot of things, but I'm not stupid (I hope), because I don't refuse to change my views and beliefs if facts prove
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You might be on to something. Now if you just add that the smart people end up hiring the stupid people to be armed and around them to protect them while decrying the evils of guns, you might have a solid theory on your hands.
Oh and no, I wasn't being sarcastic. I think it's stupid for people to arm themselves and put their life in danger in order to protect some rich asshat or politician or whatever that seems to have pissed enough people off that they fear for their lives for the pittance of salary a lot
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Nope. People who believe violence will keep them safe will arm themselves, directly or indirectly. Intelligence doesn't enter into it, one way or another, any more than it does with any other basic instinct.
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I think you are ignoring reality in order to press whatever ideology you want to be true.
With the exception of the democrat in California [washingtonpost.com] who was running guns and creating his own little market niche by championing and passing gun control laws, almost all prominent gun control advocates do in fact have armed security around them the majority of time they are in public. They do no arm themselves unless you consider hiring armed thugs or having armed police provided by the state to be arming yourself.
BTW, int
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prominent gun control advocates probably need bodyguards because there are gun nuts who want to kill them for daring to suggest that private citizens don't need and/or shouldn't have certain kinds of weapons, or that purchase should be subject to stringent background checks.
apparently, to a gun nut, their right to bear arms is greater than the right to free speech or the right to live and this somehow entitles them to murder people they disagree with.
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Is your google finger broken? No Dianne Feinstein does not have a CCW. She may still have the pistol but has publicly claimed she got rid of it too. She wasn't a big gun control champion when she had her CCW either. The only reason we know about it is that she admitted having previously had one when trying to institute an assault weapons ban.
But hey, as long as you can say someone else is wrong- amiright? Oh, and you may have failed the reading comprehension, I certainly did not. Try reading the rest of my
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She may still have the pistol but has publicly claimed she got rid of it too.
Her whole career is built around lying and you believe her? You certainly are a dumbass.
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In my experience, stupidity and armament are usually somehow correlated. The stupider someone is, the more he needs to compensate.
There are indeed various flavours of correlation, many of which I doubt you intend to reference:
Stupid thugs intent on rape, robbery, and mayhem that run into armed octogenarians.
Antigun nuts.
Nutters that think that guns are magic and are capable of turning honest, decent ordinary citizens into thugs, murderers, and thieves.
Do you think it is stupid to protect yourself with a gun from the powerful and violent, or packs of predators?
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That depends on the kind of predator and their intentions. If their intentions is killing me, then there is little alternative to arming yourself. If their intention is my belongings, I'd probably just help them carry them out.
I'm insured.
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We won't reach an agreement here and I am tired discussing with you. Live your life and be happy. In the end, we'll probably find out who's right. And if not, so be it.
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How about nutters that think guns solve every problem? There's a staggering amount of magical thinking in the gun nut groups.
How about people that think owning a gun somehow makes them safe? While statistics shows the opposite?
Or those that thinks an armed society is a safe society? While every society that can be considered armed invariably descends into violent shitholes...
Gun nuts aren't usually just nuts about guns, they are nuts on most levels. Gun nerds on the other hand can be reasonable.
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Nawh. Just go to a skateboarding park sometime. The world is full of things that will kill/maim you if you're incompetent. I have known two people who reached under the shell of a running lawnmower to lift it over a curb. One would thing that one would be obvious, eh?
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The article didn't describe what type of spirits, so I'm assuming the type that most sysadmins are familiar with... and I am pretty sure that dropping a high ABV drink down a computer's vent or on top of a printer will do bad things to it.
My recommendation to protect computer stuff from spirits: Put a tray outside the server room and stick up a "no open alcoholic containers" sign on the door. This way, if someone needs to tipple at work, they can still leave their bottle of vodka in the incoming cold air d
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There is no cure for absolute fucking stupidity.
Yes, but are there any wiccan spells that can do the trick?
This is worse than useless. Computers, copiers, traffic lights, all electrical, electronic, and mechanical devices all operate because they are possessed by evil spirits bent on the frustration and injury of human beings.
Whether you employ wiccans, African witch doctors, Catholic priests or Indian medicine men, exorcising the evil that lives inside these devices will make them non-functional.
Then you'll have to call in a repairman to install a new evil spirit.
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I downvoted this story but it still got through. The title overgeneralizes and there's no evidence in the summary that anyone, techie or not, actually uses the service and if anyone does, it's not likely to be a technically literate person.
I upvoted it because it was funny - and there was fuck all else on the agenda unless you count pathetic single-line attempts at binspam.
Of course now I don't feel so good about it.
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Probably about as effective as most AV products or the average clueless outsourced support-monkey.
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Not really. I still have a can of lysol used to disinfect floppy drives back in the 1980s
So what? (Score:2)
How is this different from any other tech consultant? Seriously, if you sold Real Estate the same way software is sold you would go to prison. If you sold used cars the same way software is sold you would go to prison.
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Consulting is generally a huge scam. Or, in the words of a German comedian, "Consultants are like eunuchs. They know how it's done."
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The profession of shaman has many advantages. It offers high status with a safe livelihood free of work in the dreary, sweaty sense. In most societies it offers legal privileges and immunities not granted to other men. But it is hard to see how a man who has been given a mandate from on High to spread tidings of joy to all mankind can be seriously interested in taking up a collection to pay his salary; it causes one to suspect that the shaman is on the moral level of any other con man. But it is a lovely work if you can stomach it.
-- RAH
This is a FANTASTIC scam! I want in! (Score:5, Interesting)
For only $150 I'll do the same, except I can also chase away evil Norse spirits knows to attack apple hardware. Why choose a simple Wiccan that can only handle the basic underworld IT problems when you can hire a true multi spirtual IT expert and chase away Norse, Germanic, Greek, Aztec, american Indian, Chinese and even Ancient Egyptian and Syrian spirits?
For a limited time only for only $15,000 a year I will proactively protect ALL your IT equipment from spirits from my location on two of the largest lay lines in the americas.
Re:This is a FANTASTIC scam! I want in! (Score:5, Funny)
Don't listen to that hack! Norse spirits, my butt! Everyone knows that Norse spirits play no role in Apple hardware, there were no apples in Scandinavia and hence these spirits know nothing how to deal with Apple products. As everyone who has at least a HINT of a clue when it comes to technospirits knows, most likely when you're dealing with a possessed Apple product you have a Greek spirit at your hands. Hesperides anyone? But in the case of evil Apple spirits, it is almost invariably some ploy of Eris you're dealing with. Fuck, doesn't anyone know his mythology these days anymore?
Fucking hacks! Don't trust anyone but a ordained Discordian pope (like myself) to deal with stuff like that! Don't put your valuable data into jeopardy!
Yes, getting your spirits warded by a genuine pope of the Church of Eris is pricey (my rates start at 300 for a first consultation) but would you rather pay 150 to that hack and get NOTHING in return? You deserve a better service than that!
(Yes, I'm working in consulting. Why are you asking?)
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And for only 50 bucks I'll exorcize Windows from your computer.
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What? (Score:2)
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Why is this stupid bullshit on the front page? Kick its ass back to idle if you absolutely have to have it on /. at all.
Um, interesting point of view coming from someone who chose the name warlock.
A new way to get H1B's in the office (Score:5, Funny)
We are haveing a hard time finding tech people who are also Wiccan witch so we need X3 more h1b's to find them.
Re:A new way to get H1B's in the office (Score:5, Funny)
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You are not going to find many Wiccan H1Bs; however, there are plenty of traditions in India that call for magical thinking.
And economists - the whole world over.
The Obvious Quote (Score:5, Insightful)
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
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Indeed. I find there is much powerful magic in:
#!/bin/ksh or #!/bin/bash or even: cc
In the arcane tongue:
#!/bin/perl
The Obvious Conclusion (Score:2)
Any technology distinguishable from magic is not sufficiently advanced.
A gremlin did it... (Score:2)
so does she (Score:2)
weigh the same as a duck?
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I'm tempted to try.
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weigh the same as a duck?
Not likely. Wicca is irresistably appealing to fat chicks. You'd have to find one massive duck. Maybe you could genetically engineer a duck to have a glandular disorder?
The question is: (Score:2)
Too much money (Score:2)
Developers, real estate, Ceos fresh out of college, ideas on napkins worth billions, etc.
The whole valley is an overpriced scam bubble flooded with money from the top 2% while the rest have seen falling wages and not just this women. She is a symptom of an out of balance equation
Western Helpers? (Score:2)
Wicca was invented in the west.
Using "western" as a pejorative is a near certain indicator that you're dealing with woo.
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...where it might have helped.
Two come to mind at least from late 1980s when I was working as PC support for a University. Both cases are ones of "That is just not possible, but it is happening.."
Case one: Screen going crazy, but not when I was in the same room.
Got a call that one of the screens was flickering like crazy so I went to look.
To visualize the place: the room was fairly long and narrow, with a small vestibule in front and thus double doors with about 1 meter in between. The inner door had a big
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Mind you, this is in the days where the power switches on PCs were big red toggle switches that were connected directly to the mains. Well, It's possible that there may be a mechanical fault in the power switch, so I pulled the power cord.
The machine was still running!
I rubbed my eyes in disbelief. I double, no, triple-checked that I had pulled the power cord from the correct PC, that I had the monitor plugged into the machine that I thought I did, etc.
I picked up my screwdriver, opened the case, and found a large expansion card populated with several batteries. It was an internal UPS that was feeding power directly to the motherboard!
What...no ghostbuster references in any ciomments? (Score:2)
I thought Slashdot was a nerd hangout...
Geeze....
Momentary Temporal Confusion (Score:2)
That moment when you quickly check the date on your computer to make sure it's not April 1st...
No, they don't... (Score:3)
Witch Says Techies Hire Her To Protect Computers From Viruses and Offices From Spirits
Subheadline: Business Insider believes her for some reason
FTFY.
Or... (Score:2)
You can build a proper perimeter defense, properly secure workstations, educate end users on avoiding malware, etc. Probably cost alot less than 200 bucks an hour and would be much more effective.
Losers (Score:3)
(I actually used to have a "sacred rubber voodoo chicken" that I'd bring with me when someone was having a problem that had a quick solution that I knew about before I arrived on-site. Wait until they look away, click the button that fixes the problem, and then when they turn back, shake the rubber chicken at the computer. "That should do it, let me know if the spirits get disobedient again.")
My co-worker (Score:2)
(I work in public schools) once told a teacher that the network problems in her lab were because bad data was trapped in the cables and he went around and unplugged everything and left.
I honestly still don't know if he was fucking with her or serious and I had to put it back together again and fix the real issue after.
Protect our office from spirits ? (Score:2)
Hide your bottles guys, the old witch is coming.
Waste of money. Prevention is easier. (Score:2)
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
not the first time (Score:3)
In 2000, the dot-com I worked for moved into new office space that had house three other companies that had failed in rapid succession, and our bosses brought in a feng shui consultant to cleanse it from the bad energy. It didn't work; we all go laid off less than eighteen months later.
... I hope she's entertaining (Score:2)
As "entertainment"... I have no problem with this... highly amusing. I think if I heard she was coming I'd borrow some human skulls from some doctor friends of mine and just go all out so she walked into what looked like a legit necromantic/satanic ritual. I'd greet her with a goat skull on my head and scream "KALIII MAAAH!!!"
You have to have fun with these things.
Man... so much fun... I'd have to go full blow Halloween mode on that shit... get myself an "apocalypse cloak"... draw a giant pentagram between
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If accept the mainstream Bible there is no Hell.
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A Christian POV is that witches don't necessarily realize that they've made a pact with the devil
Fixed that for ya. (Most Christians of my acquaintance seem to have heard of that idea but consider it nonsense.)
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A Christian POV is that witches don't necessarily realize that they've made a pact with the devil
Fixed that for ya. (Most Christians of my acquaintance seem to have heard of that idea but consider it nonsense.)
That lines up pretty well with my experience that most Xtians are a duplicitous lot, picking and choosing freely with parts of their chosen edition of "...the complete, true and unerring word of god" are to be observed (and cited incessantly) and which to disregard as "nonsense".
But perhaps President Bartlet illustrates it best... [youtube.com]
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Where is Eric S. Raymond when you need him? I'm sure a Level 5 Pagan could clear up all of this irrational nonsense for us.
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The Christian POV is that witches don't necessarily realize that they've made a pact with the devil: a demon will be the slave of the witch during the remainder of their lifetime on Earth (the demon is the source of their powers), and when they die their soul will become the slave of the demon in Hell for eternity. That might be why some are interested in life extension technology.
Not that Xtians are often prone to letting reason get in their way, but that theory kinda puts the lie to the whole "free will" argument does it not? If one is hoodwinked by supernatural powers, there can be no free will.
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The Christian POV is that witches don't necessarily realize that they've made a pact with the devil: a demon will be the slave of the witch during the remainder of their lifetime on Earth (the demon is the source of their powers), and when they die their soul will become the slave of the demon in Hell for eternity.
Is there any examples of anyone in the Bible getting powers from demons, making a pact with the Devil, having a devil as their slave, or themselves becoming a slave in the afterlife?
That might be why some are interested in life extension technology.
Ironically, most Christians think it is the best thing ever to live forever and never have to work.
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The Christian POV is that witches don't necessarily realize that they've made a pact with the devil: a demon will be the slave of the witch during the remainder of their lifetime on Earth (the demon is the source of their powers), and when they die their soul will become the slave of the demon in Hell for eternity.
Is there any examples of anyone in the Bible getting powers from demons, making a pact with the Devil, having a devil as their slave, or themselves becoming a slave in the afterlife?
Yes.
The Book of Faust.
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I don't think Alex Jones represents "the Christian POV".
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She was hired by a rival and was sticking pins in clay models of rackmount servers.
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Well, I consider it entertaining to watch an idiot lose money. So, essentially,...
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Sometimes an intermittent bug is just an intermittent bug, not due to spirits.
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In the UK, you could actually be done for false advertising. Psychics, mediums, etc. are strictly "entertainment purposes only" and cannot claim to change your life, luck, etc.
I know, I have a side-hobby of taking advertising literature that I find for such things and complaining when it misses off the legally-required disclaimers.
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Then why shamans of mainstream religions (priests, mullahs) can promise shit they do promise? How are they different from a psychic or a medium?
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Careful what you wish for.
I had to deal with a secretary who was into this new age mumbo jumbo. As long as she was doing the crystal shit I didn't really care much (except that it was sometimes a bit tricky working with her PC since none of the crystals were allowed to be moved so I don't disturb ... whatever oolamoola they created).
It was a tad more difficult to explain to her that computers and their problems can NOT be healed sensibly, but very well created and augmented, with magnets.
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I think the term you have in mind is "prostitute". They've been fixing hard drives for thousands of years now.
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So, you hire a cute witch who is licensed, and gets routine medical exams. Got it covered!
Note that we handle prostitution in the United States in the most backward, irrational manner possible. There are no licensed prostitutes, and few if any get routine medical exams.
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