Glitches: United Airlines Grounds All Flights, NYSE Suspends Trading 190
mitcheli writes: In short order, some major outages occurred [Wednesday] morning. First United Airlines reported a system wide grounding of all flights due to "technical difficulties" with little details to follow. Following that, the New York Stock Exchange reported "technical difficulties" while suspending all trading. While initial reports on NYSE state that there is no malicious activity as a result of the outage, few details have been released at this time. "NYSE/NYSE MKT has temporarily suspended trading in all symbols. Additional information will follow as soon as possible," the NYSE said in a statement on its status page.
United was due to glitches (Score:4, Funny)
The rest were just "sons of glitches".
There's nothing NYSE (Score:2)
Related to the Hacking Team hack? (Score:1)
Penetration malware goes public, now this?
Re:Related to the Hacking Team hack? (Score:5, Informative)
Anon tweet last night:
"Wonder if tomorrow is going to be bad for Wall Street.... we can only hope."
https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/618626955433349120
Re:Related to the Hacking Team hack? (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at the timing more closely -- was this tweeted after the Chinese markets had already crashed? One could easily predict that today would have been bad for Wall Street regardless of any crash.
Patch Tuesday (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:Patch Tuesday (Score:4, Interesting)
The NYSE uses Linux, so we can at least rule Patch Tuesday out for that one. Looks like it was just coincidence, caused by simultaneous cock-ups at different companies.
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Nothing to see here... (Score:3)
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Oblig xkcd [xkcd.com]
This triggers my WW3 theories. (Score:2, Interesting)
This is really scary, and it seems like a lot of people don't even think about it at all.
Think about it. Some entity somewhere gets into multiple infrastructure systems, shuts down power, water, gas, takes down key sites like facebook and twitter so people can't communicate, stuff like that. Then, on top of that panic multiple attacks around the country at nearly same time.
Just the confusion and panic alone would be scarring to most people.
"Nah, that'll never happen", maybe not, but holy shit, imagine if it
Re:This triggers my WW3 theories. (Score:5, Funny)
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That's how I felt about Y2K.
~Loyal
Re: This triggers my WW3 theories. (Score:3)
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Nah, he had his buddies Samir and Michael do it for him.
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Holy shit is right. I never thought of that. Super intelligent beetles. Excuse me why I go squash every cockroach I see just in case.
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takes down key sites like facebook and twitter
If Facebook and Twitter are our key sites, then as a society we have already lost the war.
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If FaceBook and Twitter went down, productivity would increase...
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Think about it. Some entity somewhere gets into multiple infrastructure systems, shuts down power, water, gas,
I think someone already did. It was part of the plot line in one of the die hard movies.
takes down key sites like facebook and twitter so people can't communicate,
OMFG NOOOO!!!
Then, on top of that panic multiple attacks around the country at nearly same time.
Just the confusion and panic alone would be scarring to most people.
VOA... ugh.. I mean CNN is scarring to most people. I now have PTSD thanks to 24x7 coverage of security industry shills including Mr cherkoff himself masturbating about "possible" July 4th ISIS plots all last week.
"Nah, that'll never happen", maybe not, but holy shit, imagine if it did.
If you ask me too many people are currently engaged in "imagining if it did". Bet against Hanlon at your own risk.
Re:This triggers my WW3 theories. (Score:5, Funny)
Speaking of Die Hard and "key sites" like facebook, one of my favorite scenes in any movie is in the first Die Hard when the terrorists shut down the building, there are a bunch of cut scenes to big locks engaging and the building going into lockdown. However, one of those scenes is a very dramatic shot of the escalators stopping. Because of course that would prevent anybody from getting to the next level of the building. Similarly, if Facebook and Twitter were shut down, only the totally clueless would be hindered in any meaningful way.
Facebook and Twitter - the escalators of the internet.
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Facebook and Twitter - the escalators of the internet.
It's not quite the same thing. If someone shuts down those sites, it shouldn't hinder you much, but those sites will actually be offline. But shutting down escalators, as Mitch Hedberg observed, just turn into stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
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Facebook and Twitter - the escalators of the internet.
It's not quite the same thing. If someone shuts down those sites, it shouldn't hinder you much, but those sites will actually be offline. But shutting down escalators, as Mitch Hedberg observed, just turn into stairs. Sorry for the convenience.
How about escalators that keep changing direction? Still just stairs? :P
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What if we make the up escalator go down and the down escalator go up? What are you going to do now smartass?
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Sure those sites will be offline, but just as you can get to the next floor on a stopped escalator, you can communicate with anybody in the world on an internet without facebook and twitter. You just have to put forth a little more effort than just standing there.
Re: This triggers my WW3 theories. (Score:2)
Daleks cannot fly! They'd be totally stuck.
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Re:This triggers my WW3 theories. (Score:4, Informative)
However, one of those scenes is a very dramatic shot of the escalators stopping.
Go back and watch that scene again. I think it got cut out of the 4:3 version of the DVD, but you can briefly see that at the bottom of the escalators the terrorists had placed signs that read "NO WALKING UP ESCALATORS".
Not so funny anymore, is it?
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OK, I'll bite. Confusion and panic are not the same thing. In fact, it turns out that in most cases of massive, unexpected disasters, confusion certainly rules, but almost always people act in a reasonable fashion, even unto their own demise. It's only when there are immediate possibilities of personal danger do people "panic".
Some large scale cyber attack on the US like what you described would likely result in people spending time trying to figure out what was going on at first. We are such an informa
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takes down key sites like facebook and twitter
So not a total loss then, good!
It would almost be worth dealing with fallout and eating beans for 20 years if we can start over and avoid Facebook and Twitter this time.
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Or we could just wait till we don't have any cheap oil left.
This is really scary, it will happen, but nobody cares.
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Then we'll switch to natural gas.
Then we'll switch to coal.
And by the time we run out of coal, nuclear+wind+solar will be ready for prime-time.
What's the problem?
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Ever heard of global warming?
Using all the oil/gas/coal is not an option.
Also, depriving us of petroleum products is not the best idea.
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We can make oil out of coal for the relatively small amounts we'll need for plastics and fertilizer if we somehow completely exhaust our oil supply, which is unlikely. Global warming can be dealt with through either adaptation or spraying aerosols into the atmosphere to increase the Earth's reflectivity, or through some combination of those.
The sky isn't falling.
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On 9/11/2001 I was in early at the University lab where I was a research assistant/sysadmin to help our sister lab configure their regular IP router via an ATM video link we had. My wife who was on national guard duty called to ask me if I'd heard about this plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. "Wow, messed up." Coincidentally a few days before I'd heard about a single engine plane that had crashed into the Empire State Building back in the 30s or 40s, so that's what I thought it was. A small pla
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All of a sudden the regular internet was just...slammed. The other lab was testing their regular internet connection by pinging yahoo or something and couldn't get a response. Well, massive amounts of dropped packets, anyway. Then my wife called back and said another plane hit the towers and their base was now on lockdown. Then I realized I couldn't get a response from any news website, either.
We had set up a multicast "over net" delivered via satellite to a number of smaller ISPs with Yahoo! Broadcast cont
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Eventually my Turkish labmate was able to get on to a Turkish news website and translate what was going on for us because you couldn't get to CNN or NBC or anybody. (Eventually the major American news services switched to a low bandwidth, text-only version of their sites). But yeah for a good two hours I was hunting around trying to figure out if we were under a combined real-world and cyber terror attack. In that case it was just that every news site was completely slammed with traffic, but I definitely wondered.
It didn't even occur to me to try and get any news from the Internet as I was watching the events unfold live on TV.
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I was at a research lab. No TV.
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Was almost believable until you said "key sites" and facebook/twitter in the same sentence.
I know of some people will go nutzoid if their social media site goes down for a lengthly period of time. Really. They will get very angry or agitated and they will be a burden during a crisis when others are trying to mitigate the situation. Reminds me of what this guy who went through a escape and evasion course in the Army said remember the "threes." You can't survive no more than 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, 3 weeks without food (i.e. first get out of extreme environment of cold or hea
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the first one was you can't last more than 5 minutes without air
Do you really need to go on an escape and evasion course to find this out?
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First China, then NYSE (Score:1)
Seems like something major is happening. Someone declare war on the Internets?
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No it is just Bush's fault.
ITYM "thanks obama", HTH, HAND
Ron Paul was right. (Score:3)
We'd all be safe from this calamity if the traitor John Snowden hadn't sold our country's secrets to the Soviets.
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You know nothing John Snowden :P
Joke is on you (Score:5, Insightful)
"My understanding is that espionage means giving secret or classified information to the enemy. Since Snowden shared information with the American people, his indictment for espionage could reveal (or confirm) that the US Government views you and me as the enemy."
See, i am not even a stalwart Ron Paul guy, but I do respect him a political philosopher. The feel of the idea seemed off to me, so I did an entire 10 sec of Google searching to check. It is easy to hate and disparage others, because you were told to. It is harder not be a lap dog and think for yourself.
LMAO: 321 million people keeping a secret. (Score:4, Insightful)
Except Snowden gave the information to everyone, US and foreign.
Riddle me this: How do you give it to the American People WITHOUT also giving it to everyone else, US and foreign?
Do you REALLY think 321 million people can keep a secret?
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Repeating this fascist crap over and over doesn't make it true.
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IT'S HAPPENING! We'd all be safe from this calamity if the traitor John Snowden hadn't sold our country's secrets to the Soviets.
Yes Ron is right but this thing isn't cause by that other thing.
Amazon Data Services (Score:3)
Saw some amazon data services and liverail outages on the east coast, maybe that's near root cause?
Re: Amazon Data Services (Score:2)
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That's why I said "near", maybe a common carrier's failure of some sort?
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CNBC does report a "gateway problem" such that "some customers weren't getting their results back properly"
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Leap Second (Score:5, Funny)
Leap second strikes again
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Out of interesting, what time do leap seconds happen in the US? Officially they are at 23:59:60 UTC, and sure enough in Japan that means they happen at 8:59:60. Are they at 18:59:60 in the US?
Must be fun for server admins, but then again at least they don't have to wait until the early hours to see if there are any problems and fix them.
Sorry, Johnny unplugged the lights (Score:2)
Just go back to jumping into frame and making funny remarks, Johnny!
Bah ... (Score:5, Insightful)
If NYSE is down to "technical" reasons it's because one or more of the high-frequency-theft algorithms has lost its shit again and messed everything up.
Mark my words, this will be about protecting the clowns who are skimming off the top from their own stupidity and greed.
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If NYSE is down to "technical" reasons it's because one or more of the high-frequency-theft algorithms has lost its shit again and messed everything up.
agreed
Mark my words, this will be about protecting the clowns who are skimming off the top from their own stupidity and greed.
"from their own stupidity and greed" should be written as "from their own greed."
Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.
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Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.
Depends on what you mean by "stupid". The whole point is that they have the game rigged so that even when they make absurd mistakes and still come out on top. The fact that they occasionally make those mistakes displays a sort of stupidity. The fact that they've rigged the game is the biggest sign of intelligence.
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"from their own stupidity and greed" should be written as "from their own greed." Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.
Did you mean by "centi-millions" tens of thousands (correct meaning of centi-) or hundreds of millions (should be hecto-)?
I hate to be "that guy", but if the latter, it's the second time I've seen centi- used to mean hundreds instead of hundredths in less than a week.
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"from their own stupidity and greed" should be written as "from their own greed."
Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.
Did you mean by "centi-millions" tens of thousands (correct meaning of centi-) or hundreds of millions (should be hecto-)?
I hate to be "that guy", but if the latter, it's the second time I've seen centi- used to mean hundreds instead of hundredths in less than a week.
Clovis now wears the cone of shame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
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"Stupid" is what one would have called them if they haven't made sure they will be protected when these things happen.
As long as they've made sure that if their algorithms screw up, it's other people who pay for it, it's simply greed.
please do not sell your chini stocks (Score:2, Insightful)
Re: please do not sell your chini stocks (Score:2)
Absolutely nothing to do with China....
NYSE (Score:3, Insightful)
Interestingly enough, trading--even of NYSE listings--seems to be continuing along just fine without the NYSE.
It's almost enough to make people start to wonder aloud whether or not they're still relevant.
NYSE's "glitch" (Score:4, Insightful)
This is to protect from the rush to dump Chinese stock. There might be no honor amongst thieves, but this is a professional courtesy.
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Shutting the exchange down for a few hours — they've resumed trading already [nytimes.com] — is not going to move the needle for Chinese interests. China herself has just banned "major stockholders" from selling for six months [bloomberg.com].
If I were in your shoes, I would've gotten tired of being wrong all the time by now — your stamina is, indeed, quite astounding.
Now we finally know when! (Score:5, Funny)
Re: Now we finally know when! (Score:2)
I'm calling in The Doctor (11) to fight Skynet this time.
Right! (Score:2)
I guess the ominous fiber-cable cutters finally found the right cable to cut.
The actual reason (Score:2)
All Your Base Are Belong to Us.
Outsourced IT? (Score:2)
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Re: Just the beginning (Score:2)
My TV doesn't tell me that, it tells me it's flat, with some bad indicators.
Re: Just the beginning (Score:5, Funny)
My TV doesn't tell me that, it tells me it's flat, with some bad indicators.
My TV is also flat, but the indicators all work
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He just needs to add some indicator fluid.
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I will. These glitches will be corrected post-haste, as many people's jobs and livelihoods depend on it. I'll go into work as per normal, and the US will continue to create jobs at a reasonable pace and the US will continue to grow for the forseeable future at a relatively static rate.
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And there always will be oil on earth, and this exponential growth will never be a problem in our finite world.
Amen.
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A wake-up call to politicians that the security back doors they continue to foist upon everything can be used against them. I wouldn't be surprised if this turns out to be an attack from Anonymous just to demonstrate that point.
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The Wall Street Journal also went down.
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Doubtful. The WSJ went down before the NYSE closed.
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>> I do have this weird itching between my toes. Think it's China?
It depends. Can you describe the masseuse you hired last week?
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Probably athlete's foot. There's cream for that.
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Not letting their average PE ratio hit 100 would have been mighty helpful. Too late for that, now the bubble has popped and there is no fixing it with delays.
Delays will only increase the panic.
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'Evil republicans' troll, please invest in Chinese stocks now that their average PE ratio is down to a 'very nicely priced' 70. What can go wrong?
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Speculate away. Just don't complain when you lose your money and never again complain about HFT or day traders, because you are one of them.
But think about how corrupt the Chinese economy is. Right now the most powerful people in China are losing money hand over fist. Your plan is to put your money alongside theirs and hope you get the same deal they will.
Also note: The evil republicans troll has identified himself. It's KGIII!
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The 'evil republicans' troll is upthread. He spams /. with 'evil republicans' fantasies. Ether a deranged leftest of a right winger who thinks he's clever.
Just for reference there are two kinds of people with money in markets, speculators who 'invest' for the short term using velocity type strategies, and investors who invest for the long term, usually on fundamentals. Both types are gamblers.
Nobody who invests on fundamentals would put a penny into the Chinese market today. PE of 70 is fully bubble te
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Fallen 32% in the last month. It is now only up 100% from a year ago and has a PE ratio in the 70 neighborhood. It's a bubble. Please invest your retirement there.
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Well, the traffic in the DC area was pretty awful this morning...
Re: I for one.... (Score:2)
Just eat hot pockets till Matt crashes... Patch yourself computer!
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I just checked my bank account, and I have about $4,000,000,000 more or so than I did yesterday ... for some reason. So I'll be happy to take care of some inconveniences this may cause. I just have to go out and, um, buy a few things first.
I guess a few billion here, a few billion there, and pretty soon you're talking about real money.