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Glitches: United Airlines Grounds All Flights, NYSE Suspends Trading 190

mitcheli writes: In short order, some major outages occurred [Wednesday] morning. First United Airlines reported a system wide grounding of all flights due to "technical difficulties" with little details to follow. Following that, the New York Stock Exchange reported "technical difficulties" while suspending all trading. While initial reports on NYSE state that there is no malicious activity as a result of the outage, few details have been released at this time. "NYSE/NYSE MKT has temporarily suspended trading in all symbols. Additional information will follow as soon as possible," the NYSE said in a statement on its status page.
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Glitches: United Airlines Grounds All Flights, NYSE Suspends Trading

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:03PM (#50070817)

    The rest were just "sons of glitches".

  • by Anonymous Coward

    Penetration malware goes public, now this?

  • by Salo2112 ( 628590 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:11PM (#50070903)
    This is why I don't let my servers get automatic updates. :-D
  • by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:13PM (#50070929)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by __aaclcg7560 ( 824291 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:16PM (#50070955)
    Some clueless office jockey rolled his chair over the intertube to the Internet. Happens all the time.
  • by Anonymous Coward

    This is really scary, and it seems like a lot of people don't even think about it at all.
    Think about it. Some entity somewhere gets into multiple infrastructure systems, shuts down power, water, gas, takes down key sites like facebook and twitter so people can't communicate, stuff like that. Then, on top of that panic multiple attacks around the country at nearly same time.
    Just the confusion and panic alone would be scarring to most people.

    "Nah, that'll never happen", maybe not, but holy shit, imagine if it

    • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:21PM (#50071007)
      And imagine if a cloud of Space AIDS enveloped the solar system and mutated into a super-intelligent race of eyeball-eating beetles and took over the Earth. Holy shit, we have a lot of preparing to do!
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by Anonymous Coward

      takes down key sites like facebook and twitter

      If Facebook and Twitter are our key sites, then as a society we have already lost the war.

    • Think about it. Some entity somewhere gets into multiple infrastructure systems, shuts down power, water, gas,

      I think someone already did. It was part of the plot line in one of the die hard movies.

      takes down key sites like facebook and twitter so people can't communicate,

      OMFG NOOOO!!!

      Then, on top of that panic multiple attacks around the country at nearly same time.
      Just the confusion and panic alone would be scarring to most people.

      VOA... ugh.. I mean CNN is scarring to most people. I now have PTSD thanks to 24x7 coverage of security industry shills including Mr cherkoff himself masturbating about "possible" July 4th ISIS plots all last week.

      "Nah, that'll never happen", maybe not, but holy shit, imagine if it did.

      If you ask me too many people are currently engaged in "imagining if it did". Bet against Hanlon at your own risk.

      • by njnnja ( 2833511 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @03:10PM (#50071361)

        Speaking of Die Hard and "key sites" like facebook, one of my favorite scenes in any movie is in the first Die Hard when the terrorists shut down the building, there are a bunch of cut scenes to big locks engaging and the building going into lockdown. However, one of those scenes is a very dramatic shot of the escalators stopping. Because of course that would prevent anybody from getting to the next level of the building. Similarly, if Facebook and Twitter were shut down, only the totally clueless would be hindered in any meaningful way.

        Facebook and Twitter - the escalators of the internet.

        • Facebook and Twitter - the escalators of the internet.

          It's not quite the same thing. If someone shuts down those sites, it shouldn't hinder you much, but those sites will actually be offline. But shutting down escalators, as Mitch Hedberg observed, just turn into stairs. Sorry for the convenience.

          • Facebook and Twitter - the escalators of the internet.

            It's not quite the same thing. If someone shuts down those sites, it shouldn't hinder you much, but those sites will actually be offline. But shutting down escalators, as Mitch Hedberg observed, just turn into stairs. Sorry for the convenience.

            How about escalators that keep changing direction? Still just stairs? :P

            • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

              by Anonymous Coward

              What if we make the up escalator go down and the down escalator go up? What are you going to do now smartass?

          • by njnnja ( 2833511 )

            Sure those sites will be offline, but just as you can get to the next floor on a stopped escalator, you can communicate with anybody in the world on an internet without facebook and twitter. You just have to put forth a little more effort than just standing there.

          • Daleks cannot fly! They'd be totally stuck.

        • Escalator temporarily stairs, sorry for the convenience (Mitch Hedberg)
        • by MiniMike ( 234881 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @04:25PM (#50071849)

          However, one of those scenes is a very dramatic shot of the escalators stopping.

          Go back and watch that scene again. I think it got cut out of the 4:3 version of the DVD, but you can briefly see that at the bottom of the escalators the terrorists had placed signs that read "NO WALKING UP ESCALATORS".

          Not so funny anymore, is it?

    • by xevioso ( 598654 )

      OK, I'll bite. Confusion and panic are not the same thing. In fact, it turns out that in most cases of massive, unexpected disasters, confusion certainly rules, but almost always people act in a reasonable fashion, even unto their own demise. It's only when there are immediate possibilities of personal danger do people "panic".

      Some large scale cyber attack on the US like what you described would likely result in people spending time trying to figure out what was going on at first. We are such an informa

    • by nmb3000 ( 741169 )

      takes down key sites like facebook and twitter

      So not a total loss then, good!

      It would almost be worth dealing with fallout and eating beans for 20 years if we can start over and avoid Facebook and Twitter this time.

    • Or we could just wait till we don't have any cheap oil left.
      This is really scary, it will happen, but nobody cares.

      • Then we'll switch to natural gas.
        Then we'll switch to coal.
        And by the time we run out of coal, nuclear+wind+solar will be ready for prime-time.

        What's the problem?

        • Ever heard of global warming?
          Using all the oil/gas/coal is not an option.
          Also, depriving us of petroleum products is not the best idea.

          • We can make oil out of coal for the relatively small amounts we'll need for plastics and fertilizer if we somehow completely exhaust our oil supply, which is unlikely. Global warming can be dealt with through either adaptation or spraying aerosols into the atmosphere to increase the Earth's reflectivity, or through some combination of those.

            The sky isn't falling.

    • On 9/11/2001 I was in early at the University lab where I was a research assistant/sysadmin to help our sister lab configure their regular IP router via an ATM video link we had. My wife who was on national guard duty called to ask me if I'd heard about this plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. "Wow, messed up." Coincidentally a few days before I'd heard about a single engine plane that had crashed into the Empire State Building back in the 30s or 40s, so that's what I thought it was. A small pla

      • by TheSync ( 5291 )

        All of a sudden the regular internet was just...slammed. The other lab was testing their regular internet connection by pinging yahoo or something and couldn't get a response. Well, massive amounts of dropped packets, anyway. Then my wife called back and said another plane hit the towers and their base was now on lockdown. Then I realized I couldn't get a response from any news website, either.

        We had set up a multicast "over net" delivered via satellite to a number of smaller ISPs with Yahoo! Broadcast cont

      • Eventually my Turkish labmate was able to get on to a Turkish news website and translate what was going on for us because you couldn't get to CNN or NBC or anybody. (Eventually the major American news services switched to a low bandwidth, text-only version of their sites). But yeah for a good two hours I was hunting around trying to figure out if we were under a combined real-world and cyber terror attack. In that case it was just that every news site was completely slammed with traffic, but I definitely wondered.

        It didn't even occur to me to try and get any news from the Internet as I was watching the events unfold live on TV.

  • Seems like something major is happening. Someone declare war on the Internets?

  • by Thud457 ( 234763 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:18PM (#50070987) Homepage Journal
    IT'S HAPPENING!

    We'd all be safe from this calamity if the traitor John Snowden hadn't sold our country's secrets to the Soviets.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward

      You know nothing John Snowden :P

    • Joke is on you (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Texmaize ( 2823935 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @03:16PM (#50071403)
      This would be funny except Ron Paul had said:

      "My understanding is that espionage means giving secret or classified information to the enemy. Since Snowden shared information with the American people, his indictment for espionage could reveal (or confirm) that the US Government views you and me as the enemy."

      See, i am not even a stalwart Ron Paul guy, but I do respect him a political philosopher. The feel of the idea seemed off to me, so I did an entire 10 sec of Google searching to check. It is easy to hate and disparage others, because you were told to. It is harder not be a lap dog and think for yourself.
    • IT'S HAPPENING! We'd all be safe from this calamity if the traitor John Snowden hadn't sold our country's secrets to the Soviets.

      Yes Ron is right but this thing isn't cause by that other thing.

  • by rubycodez ( 864176 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:21PM (#50071003)

    Saw some amazon data services and liverail outages on the east coast, maybe that's near root cause?

  • Leap Second (Score:5, Funny)

    by watermark ( 913726 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:23PM (#50071019)

    Leap second strikes again

    • by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )

      Out of interesting, what time do leap seconds happen in the US? Officially they are at 23:59:60 UTC, and sure enough in Japan that means they happen at 8:59:60. Are they at 18:59:60 in the US?

      Must be fun for server admins, but then again at least they don't have to wait until the early hours to see if there are any problems and fix them.

  • Just go back to jumping into frame and making funny remarks, Johnny!

  • Bah ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by gstoddart ( 321705 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:32PM (#50071083) Homepage

    If NYSE is down to "technical" reasons it's because one or more of the high-frequency-theft algorithms has lost its shit again and messed everything up.

    Mark my words, this will be about protecting the clowns who are skimming off the top from their own stupidity and greed.

    • by clovis ( 4684 )

      If NYSE is down to "technical" reasons it's because one or more of the high-frequency-theft algorithms has lost its shit again and messed everything up.

      agreed

      Mark my words, this will be about protecting the clowns who are skimming off the top from their own stupidity and greed.

      "from their own stupidity and greed" should be written as "from their own greed."
      Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.

      • Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.

        Depends on what you mean by "stupid". The whole point is that they have the game rigged so that even when they make absurd mistakes and still come out on top. The fact that they occasionally make those mistakes displays a sort of stupidity. The fact that they've rigged the game is the biggest sign of intelligence.

      • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

        by Anonymous Coward

        "from their own stupidity and greed" should be written as "from their own greed." Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.

        Did you mean by "centi-millions" tens of thousands (correct meaning of centi-) or hundreds of millions (should be hecto-)?

        I hate to be "that guy", but if the latter, it's the second time I've seen centi- used to mean hundreds instead of hundredths in less than a week.

        • by clovis ( 4684 )

          "from their own stupidity and greed" should be written as "from their own greed."
          Stupid is not what you call people making centi-millions off the rest of us.

          Did you mean by "centi-millions" tens of thousands (correct meaning of centi-) or hundreds of millions (should be hecto-)?

          I hate to be "that guy", but if the latter, it's the second time I've seen centi- used to mean hundreds instead of hundredths in less than a week.

          Clovis now wears the cone of shame.
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]

      • by Falos ( 2905315 )
        While I'd agree on the semantics, OP may have meant the folly of hubris (but grabbed a word from the mind's "immediately available" box).
    • "Stupid" is what one would have called them if they haven't made sure they will be protected when these things happen.

      As long as they've made sure that if their algorithms screw up, it's other people who pay for it, it's simply greed.

  • please do not sell your chini stocks or fly to somewhere you still can.
  • NYSE (Score:3, Insightful)

    by American AC in Paris ( 230456 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:36PM (#50071121) Homepage

    Interestingly enough, trading--even of NYSE listings--seems to be continuing along just fine without the NYSE.

    It's almost enough to make people start to wonder aloud whether or not they're still relevant.

  • NYSE's "glitch" (Score:4, Insightful)

    by fustakrakich ( 1673220 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @02:43PM (#50071171) Journal

    This is to protect from the rush to dump Chinese stock. There might be no honor amongst thieves, but this is a professional courtesy.

  • by blue9steel ( 2758287 ) on Wednesday July 08, 2015 @03:32PM (#50071507)
    Apparently Skynet goes live July 8th 2015, though in this timeline it's an evolution of flash trading algorithms rather than a DoD project. In a panic they shut down the exchange.....
  • I guess the ominous fiber-cable cutters finally found the right cable to cut.

  • All Your Base Are Belong to Us.

  • Bean counters consider engineers and IT workers to be fungible, so they like to boost quarterly profits by getting rid of experienced company employees and filling the seats with much less expensive and less experienced contractors who don't fully understand the jobs they are filling. No idea if that's what happened at NYSE and United, but I've seen it happen other places and result in "glitches".

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