Want 30 Job Offers a Month? It's Not As Great As You Think 227
An anonymous reader writes: Software engineers suffer from a problem that most other industries wish they had: too much demand. There's a great story at the Atlantic entitled Imagine Getting 30 Job Offers a Month (It Isn't as Awesome as You Might Think). This is a problem that many engineers deal with: place your resume on a job board and proceed to be spammed multiple times per day for jobs in places that you would never go to (URGENT REQUIREMENT IN DETROIT!!!!!, etc). Google "recruiter spam" and there are many tales of engineers being overwhelmed by this. One engineer, fed up by a lack of a recruiting spam blackhole, set up NoRecruitingSpam.com with directions on how to stop this modern tech scourge.
Have you been the victim of recruiting spam?
Every Damn Day (Score:3)
I get these every damn day. You would think these folks might take the time to look at where I live (it's on my resume) and compare that to where they want me to work. Never happens.
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I get 1 new recruiter request per month. What typically follows is spamming of job offers because one keyword matched in their database. Such as "programming". I've had some pretty interesting offers once in a while. Perhaps not interesting enough to jump ship after all the advantages I have for working 18 years in the same house, but some came very close. But on the average of 10-15 offers a month, most are totally irrelevant to what my profile lays out in terms of specialties and experience.
The problem bo
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I started receiving office management job ads partly, I assume, because my resume contained "administrator" and "manager". The laugh-out-loud ad was for an administrative assistant. For some reason I'd also started receiving near-daily ads for legal jobs, utility jobs (I used to know the lyrics to "Wichita Lineman" but I doubt that experience counts), and transit jobs (bus driver and cabbie jobs). Idjits.
It wouldn't surprise me to, one day, receive an email for an urgent job for which my experience with "t
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(URGENT REQUIREMENT IN DETROIT!!!!!, etc) (Score:5, Interesting)
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The Live Chat Customer Service opportunity is probably with Comcast in Philadelphia. Initially, I received the request from some recruiters I trusted. Then, a week or two later, it seems like every other opportunity is an exciting op with them. Like the guy who set up the norecruiterspam.com site, I have been working on ways to screen these dups out as well as identify the harvesters as well as deal with UEC and their requirements as well. Yes, I AM on the job market after my position was eliminated las
Re:(URGENT REQUIREMENT IN DETROIT!!!!!, etc) (Score:4, Funny)
Born and raised in South Detroit? And did you recently catch a midnight train to anywhere?
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Losers need to be made look bad at every opportunity, otherwise the winners might start wondering just what kind of society lets such things happen to innocent people. I mean, they might even suggest government should help pull them up from the ditch, and that's blashphemy against the Invisible Hand and the Church of Free Market.
Don't take it
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"Detroit" could also mean Metro Detroit, which means Detroit's suburbs, which also means some of the most affluent areas in the US.
OP is a fucking idiot.
Used to mean, but not since the recession:
http://www.theoaklandpress.com/general-news/20100924/oakland-plummets-on-list-of-wealthy-counties
Just as bad in Medicine (Score:4, Interesting)
Same thing happens with doctors and nurses, quite frankly.
professional looking disposable addresses (Score:2)
Get a professional sounding/spelling domain and create your own emails on it. Get creative with your extended addressing and use that address only for job hunting. When you aren't on the hunt, either kill the address until you need it again or just send the mail it receives to /dev/null
PROTIP (Score:2)
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does not work anymore unless you are very generic.
recruiters now work for THE COMPANY. they are hired by them, often exclusively, and they ONLY hunt for them or a few others. they don't work for you (they never really did, but they used to be more independant).
I have recruiters I've known for 20 years and yet, when I'm out of work, I call and its 'sorry, nothing to fit your quals right now.'
does that sound like someone who 'works for me' ?
you hunt for a job, you apply for that job and the guy-in-the-suit
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Find a few local recruiters, make friends with them and touch base every year. When they get tired of your coy nature, rinse and repeat. They need your money and will hang on long enough that if you do ever get laid off, you have at least one starting point. Saved me once.
Unfortunately, the actual recruiters (people) around here have a very high turnover rate.
The recruiting company itself may endure (or be purchased), but they don't have any retained knowledge of what I might bite at. So I get useless offers, blow them off, then they don't think about me when something more interesting comes along.
Almost... (Score:3)
Re:Almost... (Score:4, Interesting)
Every... Day.... :-/
I have a polite canned reply, which basically says that unless the recruiter's client is looking for developers to work 100% remotely, AND that their pay scales are likely to exceed Google's by a significant margin, AND that they do really cool stuff, then I'm not interested. Oh, and I don't do referrals of friends (they get plenty of spam themselves).
I don't actually mind the recruiter spam. It only takes a couple of keystrokes to fire the canned response, and there's always the possibility that someone will have an opportunity that meets my criteria. Not likely, but possible. I'm not looking for a new job, but if an opportunity satisfies my interest requirements, I'm always open to a discussion.
However, when they keep pushing even when they know their job doesn't fit my requirements, then I get pissed and blackhole their agency. That also takes only a couple of keystrokes :-)
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I was sitting in training with a couple layers of my management and was getting a ton of recruiting spam that day. I sent out my canned response that I was available for $400k/year. One of my bosses asked if anyone responded. As he asked on of the recruiters stated trying to negotiate with me. Although he only offered to come up to 60K.
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I have a polite canned reply
I have a Delete button.
Only 30? (Score:4, Interesting)
I get these every day even though I've had the current job for five years. For things that aren't anywhere near anything on my resume. Recruiters are just bottom feeding scum, and it's gotten a lot worse since people in India (and Africa, and Eastern Europe, etc) have realized they can just browse LinkedIn then shotgun resumes to companies. The hit rate is tiny, but all they need is one. Local firms are bad as well, with apparently every single person from TCC contacting me about the same job.
LinkedIn is no better - 'Jobs you might be interested in: Mechanical Engineering Manager in Baton Rogue'. Really. I'm not an ME, I specifically say no management roles, and I specifically say unwilling to move. Maybe you should contract me to rewrite your jobs candidates engine, because I think I could do better in 2 days with 300 lines of python.
So why are you still on LinkedIn, you might ask... well, it is fairly amusing, and I can handle one or two a day. And if I ever need a job my profile will be there.
Just blacklist their mail servers (Score:5, Interesting)
I don't know about the "jobdiva" site mentioned at the "norecruitingspam" site, but I can certainly relate to getting too many unsolicited requests for my latest resume for "amazing opportunities" somewhere across the country. Obviously you didn't read my resume, asshole--it links to my web site, which always features... my latest resume!
Once I get more than one such email from the same domain, I just add 'em to my Postfix blacklist (surely I can't be the only engineer who still runs his own mail server?).
Sometimes I'll even add them after the first email (if there's any legit recruiter named "Satish Kumar", I'm sorry about the unfortunate coincidence).
Here's what my blacklist looks like at the moment:
Also, anyone who clearly hasn't read my resume (I know nothing whatsoever about Informatica... I just worked at a place with "Informatica" in the name) gets blacklisted. If you don't read my resume, you're lazy, and you're spamming. If you do read my resume, you'll also see the bit (in the first paragraph) about having little interest in working outside my city limits, and absolutely no interest in relocating. That alone has greatly reduced the far-away recruiter solicitations.
I used to work with big outfits like Tek Systems, but I've asked them to leave me alone (unlike the spammers, they will actually listen). Nothing wrong with them; I just decided I'd rather support local businesses. I've found two local recruiters, working for local companies (or self-employed) based here in my city. Both of them have gotten me great jobs. Any persistent out-of-state recruiters (who aren't named Satish Kumar) get a polite response explaining that I'm not looking for new recruiters. Any half-way decent company will respect that. I really don't get that many unsolicited offers anymore, and the ones I do get tend to be more interesting.
Re:Just blacklist their mail servers (Score:5, Funny)
Hi, my name is Satish Kumar and I used to be a recruiter. You got me fired from 5 agencies now. Then my wife left me and took children. Then the bank foreclosed on my house. Now I live under the bridge and give out hand jobs for crack money and it is all your fault.
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I almost always reply with slightly unreasonable salary requirements and/or relocation bonuses. I have no desire to move but if a place would pay me 50% more than I make now and give me a $50k relocation bonus then I'd probably do it.
I do the same thing with local stuff. I'm not really interested in leaving my current position, but if someone's willing to give me a 25% raise then I may be willing to move on, so I reply with:
I'm not actively seeking new employment but would consider anything at $1XXk. If
many recruiters are hired off the street (Score:2)
How I manage these calls (Score:4, Interesting)
I have over 25 years experience, and a lot of recruiters call me or email me. All the time.
For phone calls, I drive the conversation. I live in the SF Bay Area. Since I'm not willing to relocate (and it says that on my resume and LinkedIn profile), first thing I ask about is the location. If they can't be specific, are not familiar with the Bay Area, or don't live here, I tell them I'm not interested.
If the caller has a heavy accent, or has trouble understanding me, I tell them I'm not interested. If they can't communicate effectively with me, why would I want them representing me to a potential employer?
Then I ask them to be specific about the job and the company. If they are vague, or if the job is not in my niche, I'm not interested. Any contract-only position, likewise. Then comes line of business: Anything in eCommerce, banking, insurance, marketing, game development: not interested.
Then I ask about compensation. If it's below what I'm making, not interested. I don't tell them what I'm making now, or if I do I inflate it by 30%. Some stranger calls me on the phone and starts asking personal questions? None of their business.
Emails are easy to cull. Anything with a subject line intended to catch me eye or trick me into reading it (like when a stranger sends an email with subject like "long time no see") gets immediatley deleted. Anything which doesn't include the job location, or is a location I'm not interested in, gone. And anything that looks like it was sent by an algorithm (e.g. anything from CyberCoders).
Remember, there are a lot more recruiters than relevant opportunities.
Re:How I manage these calls (Score:4, Insightful)
Very very occasionally, if the description sounds interesting, I'll paste the description/requirements into Google. Most of these spamming third-party recruiters just copy-paste from public job postings, so Google can usually find the original posting on the employer's Web site.
Job Diva is the worst........also lay off Detroit (Score:3)
Bubble (Score:3)
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Look for valuations to become unreasonable, that is the true sign of a bubble.
Re: Bubble (Score:2)
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I question how many people get offers from recruiters. Getting an email from a recruiter saying "we have this great position, pays $75k a year contact me if you are interested" != "We want you and are going to pay you $75k/yr contact us with details of where to deposit the check".
Here's an inconvenient truth.... (Score:2)
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I got recruiter spam at my last job's e-mail address at a Fortune 500 company, which was odd because I really only used it for internal communications and didn't submit it anywhere. I actually got on the cases of a couple of them, telling them that it's unprofessional to send recruiting mail to someone's work address. Their response was the same: then add me to your junk mail list. So I did--I blocked it for the entire e-mail architecture.
RTFA (Score:5, Informative)
The norecruitingspam guy himself spammed news.admin.net-abuse.email [google.com] a few days ago with this. All he's offering is an email filtering service that blacklists the Jobdiva spambags.
He posted his screed in a Usenet thread that I started over five years ago, that's archived by Google, at apparently has a pretty high ranking when someone is searching for more information about all the spam they're getting from the Jobdiva spam factory. Over five years ago I happen to notice that every recruiter spam that I received turns out to have come from the Jobdiva spam factory. Ever since then, once or twice a year someone finds that thread in Google Groups, and post a "me too" to the Usenet group. Which I find pretty funny.
After figuring out where all my recruiter spam is coming from, it was a simple matter of adjusting a few settings on my mail server, and, poof!, it was all gone. Originally I never thought much of it, and only posted the first message in that thread as a means of sharing my thoughts, and nothing more, but apparently someone else now discovered effective email filtering and thinks it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. As Benny Hill would've said: biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig.... deal.
One good thing here is that now that he's got a good link from Slashdot, and, presuming that his web site is still up (haven't checked), because all his web site now only contains a big rant against the Jobdiva sleazebags, this will shine a bit of a brighter spotlight on those vermin, and perhaps shine some well-deserved sunshine on these sleazebags. Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
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It's not just IT, but lots of technical fields (Score:3)
don't call these offers. they aren't (Score:5, Insightful)
This article is about spam, not real offers. If they were real offers, it would give the lowdown-- location, skills, duties, and pay. It would be an actual employment contract, and all the candidate would have to do is sign up, or not.
So often, these so-called jobs are fake. There isn't a real job, they're just harvesting resumes. Or maybe there is but they've already settled on a candidate, and everyone else has no real chance, the employer is only going through the motions to satisfy EEOC rules.
I had one guy who had unbelievable chutzpah (Score:2)
This asshole cold-called me... AT THE OFFICE.... When I don't have a direct line, and he had to go through the front desk to get to me.
I told him to never call me again.
Apparently, the asshole was scraping LinkedIn, because the next day, he called about 90% of the office. You'd have thought he'd have got a clue when the secretary started hanging up on him.
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And if he had called you with your dream job?
Calling through reception is OLD SCHOOL recruiting. That is how you did it before linkedIn and CV databases made it relatively easy to find out who had a certain skillset.
If a recruiter has been given the task to find someone with a certain skillset they will take a number of steps. First is to advertise, this picks up some of the people who are actively looking for a job, next is to contact their networks and people they know from their database, next is to m
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I agree it is one of those awkward but necessary parts of being in the job market. When working at one place I went on "vacation" to Fort Worth for an interview and then a few months later toGermany for another one. I wasn't open that it was an interview but when I came back with an offer and had my chat with my boss he pretty much said, "yeah I figured, it's a good opportunity you should take it". Anywhere that that isn't the type of response is not a place I want to work, and if they were jerks about it I
Same for Mechanical Eng Too (Score:2)
I deleted my Linked In after getting endless recruiters and head hunters that didn't even read my resume and just blindly sent out requests.
I have 10 years in industry in a very niche market and I'll get jobs in manufacturing or other random area that just require a Mechanical Engineering degree.
It got to the point where I'd have boilerplate nastygram about actually reading my resume and getting back to me.
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Yes. The recruiters who troll LinkedIn must just search for one specific skill and spam everyone who has it. I always get offers for jobs I'm either not qualified for or would never willingly do.
Got more offers by not being interested (Score:3)
Last year I realized that I'd never changed my LinkedIn job profile info to "not interested" after starting my new job a year earlier. I'd been getting a lot of pings from recruiters, and I thought that might discourage them. Nope. Saying I wasn't interested made the recruiters even more interested in me!
Which would be great if any of them had a job better than my current one, but they never do. Everything is more boring work I'm less qualified for, for less pay.
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Yeah that really bugs me. Recruiter messages me with a job opportunity at a cool company. After reading for a page I realize it is an entire stack I have no experience with. I think it is reasonable to apply for a job where there are a couple things you need to learn as you go, but when it is completely different (ex. I do db/web services dev and I get one that is all javascript CSS, but hooks me because it is $120k a year to work at Google in the subject) ... very annoying. Heck I get recruiters offering m
everyone gets spam (Score:2)
"Have you been the victim of recruiting spam?"
I have an account on LinkedIn, so ... yes.
Which is funny/sad, because there is nothing in my linked-in profile that suggests that I'm particularly qualified for any in-demand jobs. So the spam I get is for garbage jobs, and positions for which I am obviously neither qualified nor interested.
Do you get SEO spam? Do you get App Dev Spam? (Score:2)
Then all people working in SEO and App development must be crap, shoddy and useless.
Some programmers are crap. Some programmes are excellent. Some system administrators are crap. Some system administrators are excellent. Some recruiters are crap. Some recruiters are excellent. See the pattern?
As a "Federal Sales Engineer" (Score:2)
I get hit with 1-2 job opportunities every day or two from LinkedIn alone...
Some are good, some are cruft... it all becomes noise since I'm not looking for a job right now.
CareerBuilder AND Monster are Job Spammers (Score:3)
Seriously, their 'smart' systems suck balls. CareerBuilder gives me programming jobs from my horticultural resume. Monster gives me retail jobs from my culinary resume. Neither can figure out my IT resume so I get shit from security guard to administrative assistant.
All they're doing is selling you out to data harvesters.
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I know an architect who was going nuts over stuff like that. All he got was "computer architect" jobs, and since that became a code word for "IT person not in India", it got completely out of hand.
I also receive brain-dead harvesting in my inbox. I'm open to remote work, but half the stuff coming in says "No Remote accepted" and half the remainder says "Must be able to work with remote (e. g., offshore) teams".
So much for "intelligent agents".
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Plenty of them here too (Score:3)
Not job offers (Score:2)
Having 30 solid offers per month for even entry level programming jobs would be reassuring if nothing else. These are just generic position postings though, with no special inside track to get an actual job.
Having said that, I got a new job by replying to one of LinkedIn recruiting e-mails a couple of years back, and got a nice salary hike as well as more interesting project and less stress than my previous gig. After that, I usually reply by declining politely and thanking the recruiter for asking. If some
I understand too well (Score:2)
I'm a Salesforce.com developer and am constantly getting hit by recruiter spam. In the last week I have gotten 15 requests, only 5 of which are in my area. The rest? Over 500 miles away at the very least!
Whenever you are working with a popular technology set, you are going to get hit up by non stop recruiters. The part that drives me nuts is the non intelligent ways that they shotgun blast. In my current position (I work for a major non IT recruiting company), I'm working with a Salesforce based recruit
Have you been the victim of recruiting spam? (Score:2)
No. Because I don't place my resume on a job board.
If I did (presumably because I wanted a job), I'd be pleased to be getting 30 offers a month. (Is that all?)
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Do I? (Score:2)
Hell, I've been retired for over eight years and I still get spammed.
just cc the CEO (Score:2)
I usually send a standard reply along the lines of "please take me off your mailing list".
When that doesn't work, after 3-4 mails from recruiters from the same company I send a longer reply, this time cc'ing the CEO, CTO, etc. of the company, making sure to include the names of the recruiters.
Works like magic.
I've only skimmed the article so far... (Score:2)
...but it seems the author isn't really talking about receiving 30 job offers. I can easily imagine receiving 30 calls about job openings a month. I've gotten as many as ten calls -- not emails, calls -- in one day. Granted, several of those wind up being for the same job but those calls are not offers. They're not even a guarantee that you'll be selected for a phone screen let alone a face-to-face interview.
Switch your career to Quality Assurance... (Score:3, Interesting)
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Curb the H1B problem, we probably will curb the recruiter spam problem
I disagree. These Indian recruiters all live in India, they aren't H1-B workers. Basically what's going on is a bunch of Indian companies have figured out that there's a good demand for engineers in the US, and that recruiting isn't exactly rocket science, you just have to have people who speak passable English and can sit on the phone for hours calling candidates and companies and matching them up. The recruiters don't even have to be
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These aren't really offers I don't think. I get recruiter spam, but no one sane is going to give me an offer without at least an interview, except maybe for past employers.
They are annoying to get though. Some may be decent jobs, but at the moment I'm not looking so I skip them all. But even the ones that look good are going through recruiters and that's a bad sign to me. Maybe I'm out of touch but I just don't get a good feeling about recruiters, they often seem utterly clueless about the companies the
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Many of these offers are for temporary positions. Where they want you to make this program and then you are out of work. Sometimes they are jobs for pie in the sky type of projects. "The killer app!" Without much understanding on the limited functionality of computing, or the practicality.
These jobs are career poison, and should be avoided.
Also these spam jobs are an attempt to try to pickup a low ball offer. Sr. Software Architect for 60k.
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If you can't be bothered creating an account or resetting your lost password, you can forget about any meaningful offer.
Re:Make me an offer (Score:5, Interesting)
I've even asked 'is this a real job? are you willing and able to hire a local?'
the look of shock on their faces when asked this very direct question is priceless.
usually, they lie. no, I'm wrong. they ALWAYS lie. and they fucking waste my time, collect my resume and my salary (a $100 data point, I'm told) and then I'm persona non-grateful (sic) to them.
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What happens if you don't give them your salary? I've never, ever given a prospective employer my current salary. But my prospective employer days are behind me. Maybe things have changed and this is de rigueur now.
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The fact of the matter is US politics has sold out US business on it's own people, if you are not H1B visa available for half price then you are not a candidate, you are a benchmark. Not like I have to quote how many jobs were sold to China over the last 40 years, or that China would like to have our war planes constructed as suggested by them over there now as well. Selling out the US is de rigueur now, not unlike pre WWII Germany.
Re:Make me an offer (Score:4, Insightful)
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It's also a question of too low salaries: outsourcing to China allows businesses to pay very small salaries to local employees (they would be anyway able to buy Chinese products) and pocket the difference. Wonder why you won't get hired without a H1B? Look at the CEO income.
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One of the jobs I applied for years ago even got me to the interview - but I learned later that the whole thing was a sham. They promoted someone internally, and had always intended to, but there was some legal requirement that they consider external applicants equally. So they interviewed a bunch of outsiders to put on a show and appear to comply with the law.
Re: Make me an offer (Score:5, Interesting)
I had one a couple of years ago for which I expressed interest as I wanted to move to the area anyway. The guy wanted all kinds of info that was already on my resume, but also wanted my SSN, and when I refused to give him that, he wanted the last four digits. I don't know if it was an attempt at identity theft or he was just stupid, but that ended things right there.
Another one went but better at the outset but insisted that the interview had to be done over a video link. I kind of figured, OK, fine, whatever, but when I asked about Skype, he said I had to go to some particular office that was about 40 miles away and use their setup. I couldn't download software and use my camera, because it absolutely had to be done at one of the offices they contracted with, and I was to wear a suit and tie. That really broke it--there was really no need to do that when so many other options for web conferencing were available.
A friend did recruiting for a while. He's transitioned to a technical role now because he can't compete with the resume mills. I don't know what it will take to get past them and get some decent recruiters back into the fray, but it can't come soon enough.
Job market dynamics suck (Score:5, Interesting)
I've been unemployed for 6 months and the job market in San Diego CA for electrical engineers is the worst I've ever experienced.
1. It's mostly recruiting companies doing the hiring. There seems to be a lack of direct company recruiting going on (At least in San Diego, CA).
2. If it is companies doing direct hiring, they want "new college grads" at all times of the year
3. They want master's degrees at a minimum.
4. Thay want someone who can speak Mandarin.
5. The list of skills required is so detailed and complex, it would be very difficult for someone to be a master of everything on that list, and one would have a terrible time maintaining any degree of focus to ensure a good result.
6. They whine to congress about the H-1B cap.
Fortunately for me, I have plenty of money in the bank and in investments, plus I have rental income. I'm 54, and not sure I'll ever get to be employed as an engineer again. I'm mostly keeping my self occupied with personal engineering projects and code. I'm hoping things eventually turn around, but am prepared to retire if they do not.
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Same with Austin:
1: Got an interview as a Linux admin, and the interviewer demanded what an example ASA config was, and how long have I had my CCIE. When I reminded them that Linux != routers, I was shown the door.
2: I get bombarded by places asking for five years of Apple Swift programming.
3: When asked about my visa status, I mention, "US citizen", and get the reply that they want a number and a form with my US visa's expiration date or else they will not hire. Even a US passport, a birth certificate
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Find "a guy" (Score:2)
No. Those were different positions.
Folks - the industry considers software development an entry level job. It is only the companies making obscene profits which pay $100K+ for software people and they think over-35 yrs old is over-the-hill - most of the time.
If you want to pick and choose a software job, you've got to become extremely well-known inside an industry, speak at industry conferences, and find a recruiter who cares enough to learn what you want.
Most recruiters are like ugly men trying to get lai
You Got H1b !!! (Score:5, Informative)
You are compliance chum for their H1b hire. They need to go through the motions of looking for an American and somehow never find anyone.
Tons of published tech jobs are h1b compliance chum.
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Must be willing to relocate, haha. I think for me it was relocate to San Diego actually. First word out of the phone interviewers month: "we don't cover relocation costs." I hadn't asked, we hadn't discussed the particulars of the job/my skills etc. Literally, "Hello, thanks for making the time. We don't cover relocation costs. Are you still interested?"
How the hell would I know if I'm interested I have no idea about the company or the particulars of what exactly you need me to do. Talk about bad at sales.
the list of skills is only a general idea of words (Score:2)
> The list of skills required is so detailed and complex, it would be very difficult for someone to be a master of everything on that list,
The list of skills isn't things you need to be a master of. In fact, most of the time only about half of the listed words are things you'd be doing on the job. You should, however, know what most of the keywords MEAN. If most of the listed words are in your vocabulary, you can then talk to the hiring manager to find specifically what the job is.
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Yes. ESET [icims.com] is downtown (Little Italy) and hiring. No EEs, I'm afraid, since it is a software company but there are some dev positions open.
Regards,
Aryeh Goretsky
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Same here (Score:2)
Re:I work in Detroit (Score:5, Insightful)
Apparently you have know clue whats going on in detroit. Its an absolutley huge town for engineers. Hello auto industry (fca, gm and ford) with all the car infotainment and mobile devices and tech being put into cars lots of jobs. Plus a plethora of many other industries. Detroit over the last 5 years has had a renaissance of revitalization and companies are paying big cash for top talent to work and live in Detroit. Living in the midwest and make +6 figures with the cost of living is an absolute goldmine. But if you feel that way stay away and I am happy to take those jobs!
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uh.... it's *detroit* /nuffsaid
Oooh, sounds divine! According to the internet the city that I live in has a quality of life Index of 30.57, while Detroit scores 184.59. (Larger number is better) :)
Oh! But get this. . . My 3rd world city has a health-care score index of 'High', while 'Detroit' scores 'Moderate'. Translation: city in the USA has worse than 3rd-world standard of healthcare. I'm guessing its not the only one.
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No, I won't get an account at an ad brokers which collaborates with the NSA and which spends millions on lobbying away your privacy. You total idiot.
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If you're that paranoid, you encrypt your mail and let them make do with the meta-data. Or better, route it through an anonymizer.
The main advantage of not using [big name company like Google] is that the US Government isn't likely to have a permanent anchor right there in the data center where they can essentially harvest at will a la AT&T's Room 415. A private server would require them to put "boots on the ground", so you'd at least be aware that something was going on.
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Moron.
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The problem is sites like LinkedIn and equivalent. You are there to be visible but recruiters use it to effectively spam you because they send messages through LinkedIn that ultimately land in your real email box because you don't want to use a fake one because you have networking you do want to use the site for.
You could try filtering out messages that look like recruiting spam from those sites but hard because their "you were endorsed by x", "congradulate Bob for his work anniversery" messages and the lik
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Yeah and it isn't just recruiting it is the whole industry. I'm constantly questioning. Are we using the right tools? If we are are they tools that are common enough that I'll be employable somewhere else? Then recruiting messages come in and they have a few languages or whatever I'm not using: should I spend time learning them just in case I decide to move? We have no stability in this industry. A surgeon that learns how to replace a knee can do the surgery the same way for a couple decades before being fo
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It must be rough, having dozens of people throwing money at you.
It's a lie. These are not job offers, they are job spams. They are required to "look" for an American candidate before hiring a cheaper H1b, so they send out spam emails and try to act as scummy as possible in the hopes that no one will replay so they can hire the H1B of their choice. If you do reply, they will ask for you visa number. Yes, their application will literally ask you for your visa number. It won't ask if you are a citizen. If you don't fill in the visa number (because you don't have one becau
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