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North Korea Denies Involvement In "Righteous" Sony Hack 85

angry tapir writes North Korea's government has denied any involvement in the attack on Sony Pictures, but in a statement indicated that it's not necessarily unhappy that it happened. In a statement, the country's powerful National Defence Commission, which controls North Korea's armed forces, said it had no knowledge of the attack. The latest reports indicate that the hackers worked from a hotel in Thailand.
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North Korea Denies Involvement In "Righteous" Sony Hack

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  • by allaunjsilverfox2 ( 882195 ) on Monday December 08, 2014 @12:28AM (#48545373) Homepage Journal
    North Korea is already sanctioned pretty hard. I'm curious what happens when a nation state attacks a multinational company. Do the nations that said company is registered in team up to respond? Do they elect a body to deal with it? And if so, how large does a multinational have to be to elicit such a response?
    • Yakuza

    • A nation literally cannot attack a multi-national company in the way these attacks have happened. That's because these attacks now include physical threats against the citizens of other nation states. Those threats make no sense coming from a nation state, and just about have to be from some third party if North Korea is involved in even the 'cyber' part of the attacks. That's because the nation doesn't want to find itself in a war with other nation states and not just the corporation, or to get boxed in by

      • by Buck Feta ( 3531099 ) on Monday December 08, 2014 @03:17AM (#48545637)

        A nation literally cannot attack a multi-national company in the way these attacks have happened. That's because these attacks now include physical threats against the citizens of other nation states. Those threats make no sense coming from a nation state, and just about have to be from some third party if North Korea is involved in even the 'cyber' part of the attacks. That's because the nation doesn't want to find itself in a war with other nation states and not just the corporation, or to get boxed in by making a threat they don't intend to follow through on and lose face. Bluffs are for when you are already desperately losing, not beginning.

        We're talking about North Korea. They are not bound by the rules of what a nation state "can" and "cannot" do. I agree, this would make no sense, but again... North Korea.

        • There was an initial round of finger-pointing towards North Korea, and now a bunch of people saying, hold up, this doesn't really make sense for North Korea to be behind the attacks. OK, it's not logical, but as as the previous poster argues, 1) North Korea isn't logical (or rather, they are logical but employ something rather different than the logic found outside of North Korea) and 2) what's the alternative?

          Internet security experts are of the opinion that this was launched by a large and well-organize

      • Do you really think North Korea could follow up on those death threats by actually attacking those people

        Yes. They have shown themselves willing to do stuff like kidnapping film directors because the dictator liked them [wikipedia.org], kidnapping random japanese people [wikipedia.org] for amazingly little in the way of reasons.

        Bluffs are for when you are already desperately losing

        Well, North Korea is, in most meaningful senses. But it's not so much bluffing, as it is giving the impression that you're crazy and could do anything. Same str

    • There's not much left that can be done to North Korea, but there are some options.

      South Korea could shut down their part of Kaesong, and the handful of other cross-border joint ventures. That would mildly inconvenience the South Korean companies, but would seriously hurt the North Korean economy. South Korea doesn't really have any dogs in this fight, though, so unlikely.

      China could stop their trade. It's a drop in the bucket for them, but would basically destroy North Korea (particularly if they have farm

    • by AHuxley ( 892839 )
      re " Do they elect a body to deal with it?"
      Legal Experts: Stuxnet Attack on Iran Was Illegal ‘Act of Force’ (03.25.13 )
      http://www.wired.com/2013/03/s... [wired.com]
      It depends on the experts asked, who funded what and why.
      Think of Sputnik. Nations thought airspace went up. Sputnik went over many nations but not much was said as spy satellites where going to be used.
      A lot of different nations now have offensive cyber-operations funding and contractors. No much is been done to question that new c
    • North Korea is already sanctioned pretty hard. I'm curious what happens when a nation state attacks a multinational company. Do the nations that said company is registered in team up to respond? Do they elect a body to deal with it? And if so, how large does a multinational have to be to elicit such a response?

      NK can do whatever they want because they're stuck to China.

      Wasn't long ago that they were threatening to nuke American interests and they got away with that cold.

    • But this is about hacking a large multinational corporation, largely funded via the use of copyright law, so obviously it is reasonable to use nuclear weapons on any person or group suspected of being involved in attacking them.

  • Poor Sony... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fufufang ( 2603203 ) on Monday December 08, 2014 @12:30AM (#48545375)

    Using North Korea as a scapegoat was a perfect strategy for Sony. Blaming the attack on a nation state is way better than admitting its poor security practices. But North Korea has now denied the involvement, I wonder what they are going to do...

    • call north koreans liars? in any case, it sounds like more fearmongering
    • Blaming the attack on a nation state is way better than admitting its poor security practices.

      Those aren't contradictory, both can be true.

      • by kesuki ( 321456 )

        but the mass media spin can be used to make north korea the perfect target. for sony it is not about the truth it is about the spin and damage control. their employees are all going to need lifelock until they can change their social security numbers and possibly names. at least the lesser folk might and the upper folk will need new telephone numbers. sony has a credit card company too.

        i have already seen the mass media jumping on the 'n korea' has uber hackers who get everything they want etc. these peopl

      • It's a matter of perception. People are much more forgiving of a company that can't secure its networks against the intelligence services of a foreign power than a company that can't secure its networks against a couple of kids.
    • But North Korea has now denied the involvement

      Oh, that's OK then.

    • The messages from the hackers contain some grammatical errors. These grammatical errors provide a clue as to the hacker's native language. My guess is Eastern European.

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      • I think that particular (group) of employee is probably Korean. Based on the current flippant attitude of North Korea, it is the easiest to blame everything on North Korea, which is perceived as evil.

  • Leak, not Hack (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AK Marc ( 707885 ) on Monday December 08, 2014 @12:38AM (#48545399)
    The hotel was the site of the leak, not the hack. No details on the hack have been released, and from what I can tell, Sony may not have known about the hack until the release of the leak, from the Bangkok hotel.

    If anyone has more details, please share. Especially the confirmed ones, not the rumors.
    • TFA (second link) says the Sony attack used similar components as the 2013 "DarkSeoul" attacks on S. Korean banks and government sites. Those were confirmed as originating from N. Korea.

      Add to that the other circumstantial evidence and it's looking more and more like the Norks are responsible.

      • You really must be totally naive to take these reports as "evidence".

        It's not as if your department of disinformation hasn't been caught lying numerous times before...

      • by gtall ( 79522 )

        It also bears resemblance to the Saudi Arabia hack generally attributed to those well-adjusted Iranians. It appears likely that the Iran and N. Korea cooperate on cyber war. They already cooperate on missile technology.

        • You failed to use the magic phrase "axis of evil" and excluded France from your incisive analysis.
      • by AK Marc ( 707885 )
        So a public hack is disclosed, and parts of it are reused (if not in code, then at least in spirit). Should we be looking at DPRK as the source, or should DPRK be looking for a copyright violation suit against the Sony hackers?

        Or the hackers are for sale, and sold a new targeted attack to a new buyer, DPRK was just the previous buyer.
  • The real reason for the attack is that Kim Il Sung got hit with a Sony rootkit a few years back
    • by eagl ( 86459 )

      Karma's a bitch, so is payback.

  • A hotel in Thailand? I guess those in-room movies are really expensive after all if they have to hack Sony to get pre-release movies.
  • by Connie_Lingus ( 317691 ) on Monday December 08, 2014 @02:23AM (#48545571) Homepage

    ...how more they could have got if they stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

  • by Required Snark ( 1702878 ) on Monday December 08, 2014 @03:00AM (#48545617)
    This is the kind of retaliation that seems to fit the North Korean mold. It doesn't matter if they did it themselves or had someone else do it for them.

    There seem to be two general styles of politically motivated hacking. One is the NSA/CIA style: the goal is to get as much information as quietly as possible. One of the things that the Snowden/Manning leaks revealed is how extensively the NSA was able to do this.

    The other style is the highly visible attack. This is the kind of thing that the Syrian Electronic Army [wikipedia.org] engages in. Much of what they do is intended to be high profile whether they claim responsibility or not.

    Despotic leaders like Assad and Kim Jong-il want to see damage and humiliation inflicted on their enemies. It's fundamental to their political strategy. They do this internally to victims of their regimes and externally to their foes.

    Rationally it doesn't make much sense for North Korea to waste this kind of capability on a single company. That kind of activity would be better used on a strategic target, say a western defense company or infrastructure in South Korea. (There have been attacks on South Korean banks that fit this description.) But Kim Jong-il is not a rational leader. Atacking Sony because of a perceived personal insult seem just like the kind of thing he would do.

    • Sorry, I ment Kim Jong-un, not Kim Jong-il. Wrong mad generation of mad dictator.
    • The Kim family is particularly obsessed with movies, propaganda videos and generally controlling every single cultural product - songs, books, publicly visible pictures and statues.
      It's an autocracy, necrocracy, militarocracy (I hope that's not too terrible of a word) but also much a TVcracy with a level of control (domestically and what gets out) that you basically can't get anywhere else on the planet (or maybe in Taliban-style areas, where they have to resort to banning all music and all pictures with hu

  • Possibility: Is this attack staged to gain traction on public's mind for the movie? Did they incur much explicit loss due to this? Just a hunch.

  • ... Sony should be deeply ashamed of themselves. This is like getting your ass handed to you by a drunk cripple. The guy might be crazy... correct that, we know he's crazy... but he has no legs and he keeps bumping into walls. If you can't deal with that... then take the Russian FSB's solution and just go back to type writers.

    • I guess you missed the /. article a few days ago about how good North Korea's cyber unit is. They're one of the top countries, after US, Russia and China. They're Chinese trained, and work in China where the infrastructure is a little better. Say what you want about the rest of the country, their cyber capability is significant.
      • Well, they're also insane so if that is what the environment is on the net, then you had better fucking cover your shit up. Because the NK regime has always been a chimp with a hand grenade. And no, that isn't racist. If they were all white and behaving the way they do... I'd say the same fucking thing. Suggesting it is racist is actually what is racist because it assumes racial inferiority. You made no such claims... but I'm so fucking tired of getting the PC shit thrown around that I'm just preemptively s

  • How North Korea, a nation with what is one of the worlds most primitive computing/ internet facilities, has the ability to carry out what appears to be a sophisticated attack that walks away with almost every drop of data Sony has in its possession. Even a couple of random sympathisers should not have been able to do the job.

    Sony has not got many friends in the world, mainly due to restrictive copyright practices and DRM. It would surprise me less if some groups who were opposed to this had over a long peri

  • "They're all lying! There was an article that said China did it for North Korea and then North Koreans from a luxury hotel in China, and now Thailand. What kind of experts are these when they can't seem to figure where it's coming from?"

    link [hollywoodreporter.com]
  • The latest reports indicate that the hackers worked from a hotel in Thailand.

    I hope they weren't being charged by the gigabyte for using the hotel's WiFi.

  • How do they know it was NK? Are they 100% sure of it? Besides probably being just a stunt, hey, lookie it was the bad guys, poor us...even if the attacks came from NK IP addresses or there are NK files...who knows if it was just an infected zombie machine used as proxy? And as someone pointed out, the grammar errors on the message points to eastern europe. This is a technical forum, people should know better than listening to probably fear mongering and political propaganda, look the chinese, russian and nk
  • I think I know what hotel I want to visit when I am on vacation. I am lucky to get 2-3MB at most hotels, can't imagine the 2-3 months it would take to suck 100TB.
  • The North Korean statement itself is here [kcna.co.jp]:

    The SONY Pictures, a film producer in the U.S., has reportedly been attacked by hackers.

    The hacking is so fatal that all the systems of the company have been paralyzed, causing the overall suspension of the work and supposedly a huge ensuing loss.

    Much upset by this, the U.S. mobilized many investigation bodies including FBI, CIA and the Department of Homeland Security for urgent investigation and recovery of the system.

    We do not know where in America the SONY Pictur

  • Disconnect China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, and the "former USSR" from the internet. 90% of the Internet's problems solved.
    • That's right, only America has the best internet practices and it is the standard we all must unquestioningly follow. USA! USA! USA!
      • When was the last time you heard of China trying to extradite American hackers? In America, it's a monthly event.
    • Disconnect China, North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Cuba, and the "former USSR" from the internet. 90% of the Internet's problems solved.

      You omitted Wales.

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