How Sabu Orchestrated the Hack of FBI Contractor ManTech 34
Daniel_Stuckey (2647775) writes Weeks after he started working quietly as an FBI informant, Hector Xavier Monsegur, known by his online alias "Sabu," led a cyber attack against one of the bureau's very own IT contractors. In July 2011, at Monsegur's urging, members of AntiSec, an offshoot of the hacking collective Anonymous, took advantage of compromised log-in credentials belonging to a contractor with a top secret security clearance employed at the time by ManTech International.
According to chat logs recorded by Monsegur at the behest of the FBI and obtained by Motherboard, the informant directed hackers to pilfer as much data as possible from ManTech's servers as investigators stood by. Stolen data was published as the third installment of AntiSec's ... collection of leaks intended to embarrass the same federal agency that presided over the hack and others.
According to chat logs recorded by Monsegur at the behest of the FBI and obtained by Motherboard, the informant directed hackers to pilfer as much data as possible from ManTech's servers as investigators stood by. Stolen data was published as the third installment of AntiSec's ... collection of leaks intended to embarrass the same federal agency that presided over the hack and others.
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CONSPIRACY THEORY! TINFOIL! TINFOIL!
Now, exactly when did you stop lying to us? I want to know when I can begin my trust.
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Stop trusting, geeze.
Even in the modern world, you're still asking who to trust? Stop trusting, and STOP ASKING . The answer is "never" and it will always be "never." If you want to lie to yourself, you can start that wherever you can; you don't even have to trust yourself for that. ;)
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WHOOSH!
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Nice try buddy, I'm going to be trusting everyone from now on.
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The FBI *did* order an attack on an FBI contractor. That fact has been established. That by definition, is a false flag.
Unless by "tinfoil" you mean talking about hard truths that do not portray the US government or its agencies in a flattering light.
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'Zactly.
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Who did ManTech piss off? (Score:5, Insightful)
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> This goes far beyond that. It's one thing for the FBI to use an agent provocateur to see if a wannabe-terrist is
> radical enough to press the fake detonator on a fake bomb in order to get a conviction.
Except they don't even do that, its more like they look for people who can be conned into putting themselves into bad situations.
There was one guy, wasn't even a terrorist, was just a guy that if you asked him if he could get X for you, he would say yes, no matter what it was. They asked him for some s
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I guess someone at the FBI was not happy with ManTech? Did ManTech know about the hacks ahead of time? There's so much weird with this story.
Maybe the owners donated to a Tea Party group and the IRS was already busy?
Re:Shocked Shocked! (Score:5, Insightful)
You are working under the impression that dealing with people works smoothly like a software program, and there exists a fully working solution. Real life is about finding the path where the benefits are better then the costs.
Your example of the informant who rats out all his enemies and competition, while means he is still scum causing problems, it does prevent the others from doing so.
But what is even as common is the low level criminal, who isn't actually trying to be a bad person, but just to make a living because he doesn't know of an other way. Getting paid to rat out other criminals, including much higher level ones, can give him money to survive the next week and avoid crime until he needs the money again.
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you make it sounds like criminals hate committing crimes, and won't see it as extra money.
Conversely, it lets the worst of the worst walk, and good people who get caught up in bad situations thrown in jail.
Honey Pots (Score:5, Interesting)
How do they prosecute? (Score:5, Interesting)
So if agents were involved in the plannning, then this hack was a de-facto FBI operation. All of the hackers involved should be paid, not prosecuted; or the FBI agents should ALSO be prosecuted.
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Grampy, you forgot your meds!
Hey, but if you find them, look up undercover investigation precedents. It might turn out that this has already been covered by the Courts, and that you're wrong.
If you want it to be different in the future, it would violate their rights to prosecute them for things that were legal at the time. If you want the rules to be the same for everybody, you don't get very far by tossing out the rights of those you would hold as equal.
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> Hey, but if you find them, look up undercover investigation precedents. It might turn out that this has already been covered by the Courts, and that you're wrong.
Or the courts are wrong, which is pretty typical as far as I can tell.
> If you want the rules to be the same for everybody,
You mean like, the rules against breaking into other people's systems to damage them and release their data? Doesn't sound like they had a warrant, does sound like they were conspirators.
If the courts rule this is ok,
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Worse is they were also targeted minors. Luring them into commuting crimes, provide the tools, providing the knowledge and providing the targets, that is not only entrapment but also child abuse as they were minors. So that FBI not only participated but orchestrated child abuse and then sought to prosecute their victims, to which the courts turned a blind eye in the zeal to prosecute crimes that would never have happened without the FBI involvement. The FBI were off in lah lah land, pursing the global fien
History books (Score:2)
Damning evidence (Score:2)
A few cherry picked lines from a chat log and it really looks like Sabu is the mastermind behind everything... or not. Even with this garbage that's being presented out of context it looks like he's just doing what people do on chatters, answering questions and talking crap.
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You also need a bad guy, because the FBI's funding is controlled by congress, and often debated by the public. Creating a need for enforcement and scaring the shits out of people is a great way to do that.
It also came out that the FBI was doing most of the work in so many "terrorist" cases they busted. In fact, most of the terrorists had to be e
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expect infiltrators and turncoats in every org that opposses the government on any level. That shouldn't diminish your respect for what they do, or the org as a whole.
Hector didn't run to the cops. They caught him on some other beef, after he posted some pics online, and then they squeezed him until he cracked.