Passthoughts, Not Passwords: Authentication Via Brainwaves 104
CowboyRobot writes "A new study by researchers from the U.C. Berkeley School of Information examined the brainwave signals of individuals performing specific actions to see if they can be consistently matched to the right individual. To measure the subjects' brainwaves, the team utilized the NeuroSky Mindset, a Bluetooth headset that records Electroencephalographic (EEG) activity. In the end, the team was able to match the brainwave signals with 99% accuracy (pdf). 'We are not trying to trace back from a brainwave signal to a specific person,' explains Prof. John Chuang, who led the team. 'That would be a much more difficult problem. Rather, our task is to determine if a presented brainwave signal matches the brainwave signals previously submitted by the user when they were setting up their pass-thought.'"
Walk by lockouts (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Walk by lockouts (Score:5, Funny)
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I'm more worried about them realizing I'm not human, from my brain waves. I don't want to go back to my homeworld!
Ask the captain for the brainwave spoofing kit
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isn't this something like sending data over a wi-fi without passing it through an encrypted 'tunnel' so anyone in the vicinity with a homemade model built on schematics from when it was hacked about one day after release could just record the signal and gain instant access just as well?
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I'm more worried about them realizing I'm not human, from my brain waves.
Not your fault you were born a nigger. You still suck ass, but that's not your fault. Now go be a gangsta or get some welfare or abandon your kids to a single mother with a shitty attitude.
I don't want to go back to my homeworld!
Yes it is actually called the Third World. It is the very best blacks could do without being governed by whites. History proves it, just look at Haiti. Didn't go to shit until after control was handed to the darkies. Ah well. No welfare for you if you go there.
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Gary Busey?
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On the plus side, this method prevents drunk dialing/texting with no additional work - unlocking your phone with all them boozy thoughts will be impossible.
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The big plus side of this is that when Hans Gruber wants to get access to your system, he has to keep you alive, rather than cut off your hand and/or eyeball.
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Never Work (Score:4, Funny)
I don't need to know what you're thinking... (Score:3)
http://xkcd.com/538/ [xkcd.com]
thoughtcrime is comeing (Score:1)
thoughtcrime is comeing
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comeing
But spelling crimes are already here.
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comeing
But spelling crimes are already here.
jerk [wordpress.com]
Talk about forgetting your password! (Score:5, Insightful)
"I thought my passthought. But maybe I didn't think it the right way. Let me try again..."
Just what we need, an even more complicated and harder to use apparatus with a reduced probability of correctly identifying the right user.
Since when is "works correctly 99% of the time" good enough for an authentication system?
Re:Talk about forgetting your password! (Score:4, Interesting)
And how often do you mistype your password? I doubt many get their password right even 90% of the time unless they have rather bad passwords.
Also, there's false positive vs. false negative. False negatives aren't so bad (especially at 1%, when retries are possible). False positives are what are really of concern.
Re:Talk about forgetting your password! (Score:4, Insightful)
Indeed, though a 1% false-positive rate would still make for a really lousy attack vector for anyone with serious intent - you're unlikley to get past it for the first time when it matters, and unlike a password which stays compromised until changed which allows a leisurely preparatory attack, slipping through on a false positive probably won't reliably let you through a second time when it counts. Not something you'd want as the only layer of defense protecting your top secret documents, but a significant improvement over passwords. A huge advantage for most applications would be that it makes the security system immune to attack via social engineering, probably the single most successful attack vector in the world, as well as "security degredation by convenience" where people share around passwords for accounts with access to resources that are supposed to be restricted.
Might also be very viable as part of a multi-factor authentication system, the pass-thought is already a two-factor system (thought + brain), adding a third factor with higher reliability would likely push the security beyond almost everything currently in use.
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No, I think that is his point. And that it's a bad idea. If the user id is the password, you have the same problem you have with credit cards and SSNs. Acquiring a user's ID should not be enough to authenticate the user. The ID just identifies the user and can be used by people that need to refer to the user. You need something else to authenticate. Knowing my name shouldn't authenticate as me. Neither should having my fingers or my eyes.
The idea to use the biometrics to identify the user and the pas
Re:Talk about forgetting your password! (Score:5, Insightful)
"I thought my passthought. But maybe I didn't think it the right way. Let me try again..."
Just what we need, an even more complicated and harder to use apparatus with a reduced probability of correctly identifying the right user.
Since when is "works correctly 99% of the time" good enough for an authentication system?
And what happens to the success rate if your brain chemistry and/or thought patterns change?
We know that changes take place in the brain during puberty, pregnancy, when in love, stress, medical conditions, etc. I'm curious if their testing included these scenarios. Granted, it would prevent drive-by tweeting if people would have to calm down before they could login... (grin)
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Granted, it would prevent drive-by tweeting if people would have to calm down before they could login... (grin)
I plan to set my passthought while browsing Reddit, so the only tweets I can send are drive-byes.
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The headset supposedly uses both EEG (brain waves) and EMG (electrical activity from muscle firing). However, measuring the electrical activity of neurons (very small and very weak) with any kind of specificity by using electrodes placed on the other side of the skull and other protective tissue is... let us just call it "nontrivial". EMG signals are much st
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"I thought my passthought. But maybe I didn't think it the right way. Let me try again..."
Just what we need, an even more complicated and harder to use apparatus with a reduced probability of correctly identifying the right user.
Since when is "works correctly 99% of the time" good enough for an authentication system?
And what happens to the success rate if your brain chemistry and/or thought patterns change?
We know that changes take place in the brain during puberty, pregnancy, when in love, stress, medical conditions, etc. I'm curious if their testing included these scenarios. Granted, it would prevent drive-by tweeting if people would have to calm down before they could login... (grin)
Or when your frustration level continually elevates due to repeated authentication failures.
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That means I am as well *sob*
Why this is idiotic (Score:2)
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Furthermore, it requires an "action" to be performed. I hope that action is convenience to do in public, plus doing it quick.
However, I suppose this is the first step of "reading" data from the brain. By collecting enough data, we may actually understand individual (hint for Google). If we actually can understand living things by brainwave, it can replace password as a way to recognize people (I suppose this is how we "know" others by understanding their ways of doing things).
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Even better - it's something that can't be taken (knife-proof) and also can't be given (resistant to rubber hoses, social engineering, and lax security practices). Since it depends on the way *your* brain manifests the thought, you personally have to be present in order to get past the system, which complicates many attack scenarios. And all in all I'd rather be kidnapped than have an eye/finger/etc stolen, if anything I suspect my chances of survival are moderately better, not to mention I come out of th
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>skimmed and replayed
That completely depends on physical security of the input device. Trying to "replay" a brain pattern into something designed to read it directly from a brain will likely be at least as difficult as tricking any other biometric device, but certainly if you can bypass the scanner by using your own replay device it should be easy enough, which goes the same for any biometric scanner - a fake retinal scanner is no doubt likewise much easier to make than a fake eye.
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Spoken like a true BOFH.
Who cares that they chop off the heads of our users, as long as they aren't getting into the system.
Because a computer is worth more than a human life.
Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence!
OP clearly said "users."
Re:Escalator to hell (Score:4, Interesting)
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It is a bit like voice recognition: the voice may be personal and unique (or personal and unique enough), but recording a voice and playing it back is dead easy.
And yet people remain fascinated with these unchangable, non-repudiatable, easily spoofed means of biometric identification. I really don't get it.
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well they could encrypt the data being transmitted by the wireless headset and have the key change over time to prevent record and playback attacks, or just hardwire it.
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perfect!
... keeps your system safe from managers :-)
Open Sesame? (Score:1)
What If you make a happy thought of your girlfriend and then breakup with her? You can't form that joyful thought anymore, can you still unlock it afterwards?
Helpdesk Request #65398 (Score:4, Insightful)
Helpdesk,
I need help logging in. I have a migraine and can't get my passthought right. Can you send up two aspirin tablets.
Thanks
Think happy thoughts (Score:4, Funny)
So now every time I want to gain access I have to think the same thing I thought when I first entered the passthought.
"Okay, no thinking of naked girls now, anything but naked girls. Betty White! Yes, Betty White completely dressed, dressed in sexy lingerie... oh god, not that either, that's horri*".
"thank you, passthough recorded".
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The only way to block out bad Betty White images is with good Betty White images. [uab.edu]
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Yes, but they can't figure out what you were thinking, only the pattern it creates for the brain scan. It's like a salted and hashed passphrase from the perspective of the brain scanner You could even tell someone else what to think, but the hashing algorithm (your physical brain) is an extra secret they can't replicate. ..for the time being.
I would not be so sure about that, they are getting closer to being able to reconstruct an image from thought with fmri,
http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-09/mind-reading-tech-reconstructs-videos-brain-images [popsci.com]
Use concept is authentication for financial use (Score:2)
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How the hell do they expect me to do password resets now?
I'm sure that Dremel will come out with an attachment for that.
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Same way you should be doing it now - require them to be physically present with proof of identity. Or do you reset passwords in response to any random email/phone request that sounds like it came from the authorized account holder?
I'm thinking of a word. (Score:4, Funny)
Please try another thought password. "Tits" is not sufficiently secure.
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Brains change over time, but such change is ordinarily slow enough that if you are keeping the database of what the person's current brain waves look like up to date, then such normal evolution would not be a problem.
The only time it would be is on account of certain types of trauma, which can very abruptly and very quickly change a person's thought patterns.
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Whovians (Score:3)
So now everyone who watches Doctor Who will set their passwords to "Crimson, Eleven, Delight, Petrichor".
At least it'll be easy to get into my wife's computer.....
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Only if you can control her brain to think it with.
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i was thinking that exact same thing.
Sneakers rewrite? (Score:2)
"My brain is my password. Verify me".
OTOH... Since that can't be recorded on a tape, it gets kinda messy.
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assuming there is some sort of wireless receiver from the phone with EEG sensors (hopefully not BT) that sends the brain signal over... record replay!!?
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So, your Brainwave Pattern + Industry Standard Conversion = Valid Authentication Token. What is keeping me
Password reuse (Score:3)
Who thought up this? Mordac the Preventer of Information Services?
Concentrate on a new passthought ...
Don't kill the Security guy. Don't kill the security guy.
Error: You cannot use any of your last 3 passthoughts.
Error: Your passthought is too common.
GRAAAAH!!
Error: Your passthought is too common.
Crimson Eleven Delight Petrichor (Score:2)
The brain changes (Score:3)
This is however an easy problem to solve: just change your passthought every few months.
Ohh Joy (Score:1)
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what could possibly go wrong? (Score:2)
Unless it works with migraines, cluster headaches, stress, anxiety, depression/grief, happiness, exhaustion, pain, and a slew of other conditions that affect brainwave patterns (heck, even caffeine can throw off brainwave patterns) this is too error prone to be reliably used.
Just remember.... (Score:1)
In other news... (Score:2)
On the up side (Score:2)
"Bob can't login must be high again..."
Already read that book.... (Score:1)
Not a word. (Score:1)
I see a lot of people talking about thinking a word. That's so 1965.
Instead, you'd remember what your house looks like. Or think about the time your kid said something cute. Or imagine an impossible spring that actually becomes less resistant as you apply pressure.
Something like that, not "Durr, 'BoogieMan2008!'".