How To Sneak Into the Super Bowl With Social Engineering 164
danielkennedy74 links to an instructive story captured on video introduced with these words: "Sneaking in near press/employee access points without going thru them, zigzagging through corridors, and once carrying a box so someone opens a door for them, two jokers from Savannah State University social engineer their way into Super Bowl XLVII for the most part simply by looking like they belong."
USA Today has a slightly longer article.
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Are you so afraid you can not read such stories without immediately thinking about "gitmo", black helicopters or something? Don't be a coward, you will be dead in 100 years no matter what you do. Let go, don't worry and start doing stuff you want to do before your time is up.
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Yes, I do indeed like owls. How'd you guess?
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Gitmo, nah. But they did document their trespassing. They have a scene where they are shown lying to a cop which might be a bigger crime than the trespassing.
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no matter what (Score:2)
"by holding a box" (Score:5, Insightful)
How many hundreds of millions did Homeland spend to "secure" the super bowl again? Of all the things they've been accused of, fewest of the charges have been competence. When a couple college kids carrying a box can sneak past every security check point, without either them or their box being inspected, it becomes painfully obvious that the security provided is just a show... not unlike the one they're "protecting".
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security is always for show, hackers know this very well.
Indeed, that is why Al Qaeda have been able to "hack" their way through US military security and arm themselves with a few H-bombs.
congrats! (Score:3, Insightful)
You just ensured DHS VIPR teams will harass, molest and radiate every person that gets within a block of every Superbowl venue from here on.
Re:congrats! (Score:5, Insightful)
I find it funny how You somehow make it their fault and not DHS'
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Wait, its DHS's fault that they did something that they havent done yet?
Gotta love slashdot logic.
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You just ensured DHS VIPR teams will harass, molest and radiate every person that gets within a block of every Superbowl venue from here on.
Yup. Because all it takes is a couple of teenagers pulling a prank for our government to whip out the disintegrator rays and their flying armchairs and start zapping people while screaming "We're saving you motherf--ers! ZAP! SAFE! ZAP! SAFE!"
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You just ensured DHS VIPR teams will harass, molest and radiate every person that gets within a block of every Superbowl venue from here on.
Fantastic! The only way the war diginity gets cancelled is if enough people are made to suffer the indiginities of it.
Re:congrats! - This isn't news (Score:5)
I guess I fail to see how this is new.
Because the story isn't that people use social engineering. It's that these particular people used social engineering to sneak into the Superbowl, a high-profile, suppoedly high-security event, which just happened. Hence, "news."
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Re:congrats! - This isn't news (Score:4, Interesting)
I guess I fail to see how this is new
Who said it was new? What is great about it is that the superbowl was classified as a "Level I National Security Event" [forbes.com] - the very tippy-top of Homeland Security's classification system. These are the events they spend beaucoup (but not published) dollars on "securing" from oogy-boogy terrorists.
So, despite all this focus on security and crap, these kids just waltzed on in. Yet more proof of how much of a waste of money DHS's 43 billion dollar budget really is.
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Exactly, so the security worked.
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How do you know it was security and not that the terrorists screwed up? Maybe they successfully planted a bomb in the stadium but it failed to detonate?
Re:congrats! - This isn't news (Score:4, Funny)
This reminds me of someone who was planting lots of garlic around his house too keep the vampires away. No vampires around, so his solution worked.
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Alright, Mr Smarty Pants. Was there a major terrorist spectacular at the Super Bowl?
Exactly, so the security worked.
(1) There were no arrests for attempted terrorism at the superbowl
(2) There were no terrorist attacks anywhere else in the weeks before or after
So, no, the security didn't "work" - there was nothing to stop. In the absence of a real threat, the security should have stopped anybody like these kids.
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Smishing [engadget.com] is social engineering.
"Smishing" sounds like something I shouldn't be looking up at work...
Re:congrats! (Score:4, Insightful)
Screw that. If I get stopped by them and they identify themselves, I will tell them they are not police officers, drive away, and call the real police. Then I will take it as far as possible in court on the 4th amendment [wikipedia.org], hopefully reaching SCOTUS and putting an end to the insanity.
No, you won't. There's a slight difference between talking tough as an AC on an internet forum and actually doing something about it in real life.
Security is only as good as its weakest link. (Score:5, Insightful)
Unfortunately the weakest link is always going to be found in the form of huge sacks of protoplasm known as "people".
This is why, no matter how well trained you get security, social engineering attempts like this will succeed more often than not.
People are pretty much indoctrinated since birth to try to get along. So if someone looks authoritative, there's a default reaction to simply go with it.
There's only so many things a person can pay strict attention to at a time. Eventually they're going to reach the limit of things they can keep straight in their heads. And openings in their awareness will occur.
There's only so long that people can keep up such vigilance before they start relaxing. It's not laziness so much as stimulus saturation.
I don't care how much money "security" firms and agencies throw at the situation. The only way to avoid it is to not have such events in the first place.
Re:Security is only as good as its weakest link. (Score:4, Interesting)
Pay one person who knows what he's doing per hour to try to sneak in. Track performance and give bonuses to the people who manage to stop the intruders. The job of security is now suddenly a lot more interesting and challenging. Of course, actual productive work that spans the security area will grind to a halt due to security delays. In the military, newbies get told to guard something and then everyone else is supposed to try to get in. You don't have security if you don't test it.
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In which military, and in what years, did this happen? I find it hard to believe that this is/was common practice in any branch of the US Armed Forces.
Marines guard most of the Navy's gates, facilities, etc, and it makes a marine's day to throw a sailor on the ground, stick the muzzle of a rifle in his ear, and shout "DON'T MOVE MOTHERFUCKER!!" In fact, a private on Adak Island was promoted to corporal after doing exactly that to a Navy Captain. Marines might be slightly more polite to civilians, dependi
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NO ONE goes into a secure area without authorization. Period.
I did once. As a civilian no less. Stupid gits I worked for sent me out with spare parts and neglected to tell me that the small anonymous-looking complex in the middle of town with an obscure bland name was a military research facility. Guard was asleep, slumped over so far I didn't even see that the uniform was real military as opposed to generic rent-a-cop. I drove on in, thinking I was being nice not waking the guy up.
Oh boy, from what I heard, hilarity ensued in my wake. Fortunately this happened decad
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The Army? I can't speak for them. I had almost zero contact with them while on active duty.
I can't speak for actual security around the base (I was a bit too paranoid to deviate from my known-safe route), but the gate guards at the Army base where I had a civilian job were just rent-a-cops. That base is now joined with the neighboring Air Force base, but I (along with just about every coworker I had), left long before that happened so I don't know if the rent-a-cops were replaced.
Re:Security is only as good as its weakest link. (Score:5, Insightful)
"Track performance and give bonuses to the people who manage to stop the intruders."
Ensure the bonus even goes to the average schmo hot-dog vendor who challenges somebody who doesn't have their ID showing. It's not a new strategy, but turning it into a game like this shifts cultures. Suddenly all the con-man defenses of "seriously, don't you know me?", "man, you're uptight, chill." or "Bob says it's okay" fall out the window to your "hey, I get $50 if you don't have a badge".
Not to pick on hot-dog vendors. They're probably more people savvy than most of your security team.
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This is a really really good idea. I might actually recommend this where I work. They are super anal about security here... hmmm :)
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Re:Security is only as good as its weakest link. (Score:4, Funny)
Unfortunately the weakest link is always going to be found in the form of huge sacks of protoplasm known as "people".
I've heard the TSA called a lot of things, but never "people".
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You are right. He called them huge sacks of protoplasm, and put "people" in quotes.
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As long as the security is better trained than the social engineer, this will not succeed.
Something that can be easily changed with training.
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As long as the security is better trained than the social engineer, this will not succeed.
Sorry. But it's not only a matter of training. You can train people all day, every day to eat breathe and live this stuff. And, given the proper environment, it STILL all goes out the window and they default to social indoctrination.
Something that can be easily changed with training.
*Easily* huh? I believe your idea of *easy* and mine are two COMPLETELY different things. And, again, it's not merely all about training.
The human brain does not work that way. With increasing complexity, the human brain groups patterns of actions into one and there is no shown limit of how much stimulus a human brain can handle in this way.
With increasing complexity, the human brain groups patters of actions into one. Which means they lose to stimulus saturation. Reacting
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I don't care how much money "security" firms and agencies throw at the situation. The only way to avoid it is to not have such events in the first place.
What, just ban any event where two or more people gather together? That'll work out well.
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That's not what I meant.
It's a way of saying that there is no easy or pat, acceptable answer to this.
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People are pretty much indoctrinated since birth to try to get along. So if someone looks authoritative, there's a default reaction to simply go with it.
I think that people (hominids) have been bred for at least the last 2+ million years to try and get along. It is a vital tactic for creatures weak in tooth and claw to band together, and earlier hominids were much smaller and weaker than those that can later.
The ideas of "truth" and "rules" are very modern, maybe just tens of thousands of years. You may happen to be correct that heading north is 75% likely to find game animals, but if the Alpha says we should go south where you correctly believe success i
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Color me unsurprised.
That's almost the first reaction that happens in cases of a breach.
In some cases, it's the correct approach.
In others, it's not.
This was done 6 years ago (Score:5, Interesting)
Zug.com snuck into the super bowl using social engineering as well.
Details here [zug.com]
Re:This was done 6 years ago (Score:5, Interesting)
Also another killer quote from the fifth page when they ask the bomb squad to be allowed to borrow a small flatbed truck: http://www.zug.com/pranks/super/index05.html [zug.com] :
Now of course, they never show the message, and I don't see proof that they plled it off, so is the prank on us? ;>)
Re:This was done 6 years ago (Score:5, Informative)
Yeah like the Chaser APEC prank [wikipedia.org]
"didn't plan for ... success" !!! (Score:2)
Re: So is the prank on us? (Score:2)
This is also a very real possibility, in this crispy new age of "sensational story - haha, it's just a joke, so long and thanks for all the ad clicks."
My big response is below. I'll end here by just saying that there is something seriously wrong with this story, so I'm not going to sit on pins and needles for 2-4 days for it to pan out as a joke if it is. Because if it's not, we're all busy going "haha cool joke man" when the 100 people pictured in this video are going to lose their jobs.
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5. Be white.
Did you watch this video? The two guys who got in were black. I know it's fashionable to hate on whitey and grant him magical unfair advantages at *everything*, but these two dudes just proved that black guys can play that game too.
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He was quoting the article on Zug.
(But I agree with you on general principle)
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The Chaser does it better (Score:2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdnAaQ0n5-8 [youtube.com]
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Wow seriously. Try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3zKuLgH_l8 [youtube.com]
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I have your old internet.
Hola Media Unblocker hola.org/unblocker.html
Wobble Wobble Wobble... (Score:2)
Re:Wobble Wobble Wobble... (Score:4, Funny)
If you''re going to sneak into some place inconspicuously, the LEAST you can is bring along a complete camera crew.
Some tips on blagging your way in to something (Score:3)
1) have some good lucking women with you. Chances are you'll have a guard somewhere that can be distracted by cleavage.
2) if there's 2+ of people trying to blag their way in, A) only let 1 person talk B) if you're both talking, have the same script "My boyfriend went to the room to get the tickets and they were gone" from the girl, as the guy's saying "I left the tickets in the car, I think the valet took them" WILL get you turned away.
3) turn up when there's a line, before the event starts of course, but not too early, if you make a scene, it might be easier to just let you in.
4) if you get turned away by one guard, ask who you need to see to sort this out, go to them, be nice, wave back at the first person who sent you over, if they wave, say 'he took the ticket and said it was ok'
5) never say 'do you know who I am', and if you do, don't claim to be the person stood behind the guard. (that cracked me up)
6) if there's a list with names on, you might be able to peek and claim a name.
7) "where'd you get this obviously fake ticket?" "there's a guy in the foyer selling them, he said it was legit" "it's not, you need to see that person and get your money back" "but I have a ticket!" "it's fake" "but it's for this event" "yeah, no." is the wrong way. Playing the sob story that this was what you bought online, give as much info as you can. If an event has 5k tickets printed, it's not unknown for the printer/promoter to not only keep some tix behind, but to run dupes. This isn't the punters fault, dropping hints that the promoter/printer is dodgy is all too believable and may help you get in if they think you've done the right thing, not got a cheap tix from a dodgy guy out front.
for an event that's 'no re-admittance', the old 'I have explosive poop' will get you out, but might not get you back in, still, worth a try.
I get how social engineering works. Work a door for a few nights, manage an event, you'll hear all sorts of things and very quickly learn what'll never work, what
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Somebody here called for an electrician. Can you tell me what the fault is?
Shit man, it's dark in here!
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Accident (Score:2)
I've done this by accident a number of times at both the Asia Series and World Baseball Classic at Tokyo Dome. Thinking back, all I did was have a general admission ticket on a pass carrier around my neck and just walk into the press area while nodding to the guard at the entrance. I was supposed to meet some friends there once, but they got stopped by security. "What? This is a restricted zone?" I had no idea before then that anyone wasn't allowed in there.
I guess it goes to show that if you really b
The best I've seen yet... (Score:5, Interesting)
The best I've seen yet was a kid (I'm guessing around 16 yrs old) I watched in action at a concert at the Cow Palace in San Francisco many years ago.
A friend and I were waiting in line at a Judas Priest concert when I noticed this guy, wearing a light-blue button-up shirt and slacks, using one of them sweeper things--you know, the little broom and a pivot mounted dustpan thing on a long handle that is used to sweep trash into. He was working his way along the line, sweeping up all the crap the people in line were dropping. I watched as he filled the dustpan with trash, walked over to a trashcan near the door, emptied it and went back to work around the entrance--he swept the place clean, then started working his way around the inside of the front door area, even asking one of the security personnel to step aside so he could get to a soda can just behind him. I remember telling myself "What a lame job".
45 mins later, he was standing next to me about 10 feet from the stage, smoking a joint and obviously enjoying himself. After asking him if he minded passing that thing, I asked him where his broom was. He said with a big, stoned grin on his face that he usually leaves it in the bathroom until after the show. Sure enough, when I went to the bathroom between acts, his sweeper and broom were sitting in the corner.
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SOCIAL engineering (Score:2)
Re:SOCIAL engineering - Why on Slashdot? (Score:2)
Because of the immense blowback that's about to happen.
If this was told as a "college beer frat party" story even if it was all the same, we would all have "lol okay back to work". Instead there's *video footage of people and "stuff" (places, unmanned areas, etc.)
So we have a real problem coming up: Youtube is already ahead of us wondering if this is just a "footage hoax" ... or the big mean Security Theater Beast will be really PISSED and then we'll see more rounds of lockdown.
Bruce Schneier himself said a
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Public shows (Score:4, Interesting)
It's not so hard to get from A to B in any public show: The trick is just to act like you belong there, just like everyone else who also belongs there. Blend in.
My own favorite was at a show at the Detroit State Theater. We had assigned seats in the balcony, but the sound really was very bad up there. So we left, wandered, and came up to the entrance for the general-admittance floor area.
There were two security guards looking at tickets before people were allowed into this space, with a small line formed before each of them. We walked right between them as if we owned the venue ourselves, and didn't encounter any trouble. (The sound at front, stage-left was excellent. Kudos to the boardmonkey, and meh to whoever it was that specified the line arrays for that show.)
And for other intermittently-crowded places, carrying a Motorola 2-way portable radio helps. You can direct traffic and behave authoritatively in almost any capacity, even with long hair, regular clothes, and a beard, as long as you have a radio and the gumption to make it look like you belong there. Do that for a little bit, and nobody around will think twice when you slip in through a side door. And after that, just blend in differently: At that level, people aren't paying much attention to security.
(And no, it doesn't matter if the radio works or can talk to anyone.)
So: Social engineering one's way into the Superbowl? Nice feat, but not very surprising.
"I'm with the band" (Score:2)
This method has been used by about a gazillion people in so many places, so many times, it just doesn't seem like news. Perhaps the only reason it is "news" is because these guys filmed it? I don't know.
I've done the same thing plenty of times to get in place I shouldn't be; all it takes is a pair of cohunas and a bit of front to just go right in where you want to, without stopping once to check you are in without being noticed.
Look like you belong... (Score:5, Interesting)
is one of the oldest tricks in the books. I used to work for an entertainment company lugging around equipment. I have been to many venues and big hotels in Manhattan and some are pretty secure, requiring you to sign in and have your picture taken. But there are plenty where all you do is is walk in there like you own the place and no one says anything. As long as you are carrying something then they assume you are part of some staff and just let you walk right in. Even the secure places just require you to say you are from company X for party Y and they let you in without any scrutiny. The parties are planned by a planner who is not part of the venue. So security has no way to easily contact the planner to verify if vendor x is legit or not. They just do their job which is to get a signature and hand out a flimsy sticker pass. If you use a little creative social engineering and figure out what party is happening where you could easily gain access. Even carrying around some legit looking paper work is enough to get you into a venue.
Once we did a party in the museum of natural history, they have a private room in the back (I hear it was $20,000+ just to rent the room, rich kids, you should see some of the parties I have seen, amazing. Once I setup a million dollar bar mitzvah on the intrepid). Me and the guy I did the delivery with setup all the equipment and then walked down the hallway, jumped a set of ropes into the museum and went to the planetarium. No one stopped us or asked us what we were doing.
Across the street where I live is a house which the owner defaulted on his loan. Well he also had a loan through two other banks so the house sits there as the banks cant agree on a decent price which would let it sell. So one day I hear the house was robbed of all its copper pipe, electrical wiring along with the boiler and hot water heater. One neighbour said he saw a van parked outside with some men working in the house. They weren't working but robbing the place. All they needed to do was look legit and no one would question them. Essentially its more difficult to gain access if you look suspicious or try to hide what you are doing.
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One neighbour said he saw a van parked outside with some men working in the house. They weren't working but robbing the place. All they needed to do was look legit and no one would question them.
Yep, unoccupied house next to mine, one day all the furniture went away in a moving van driven by thieves...
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Seriously, if you want to rob someones house all you need to do is to stakeout the place for a few days to get the owners habits down and then come back with a van with lettering on the side. I have seen so many beat to shit vans with writing done in marker, spray paint and those black-lettering-on-gold house number stickers. They look like creepy rape vans but they are legit. So its impossible to know who is legit and who isn't. Just roll up in a van or pickup truck, wear a tool belt and your good to go. T
The high use of subcontractors and contractors (Score:2)
The high use of subcontractors and contractors makes it even easier as you can say stuff like my firm does not give us ID's or just show some thing that looks like a work order.
Con job (Score:2)
I remember this was called a con job. You con someone into believing you are someone else, just like conmen have been doing for thousands of years. There's nothing really new about it.
Fletch (Score:2)
That is all.
ENG cameras for free access to rock concerts (Score:2)
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Social engineering is social engineering.
"Social engineering" is lying or otherwise deceiving people. As euphemisms go, it's a pretty pathetic one.
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"Social engineering" is getting people to do exactly what you want them to do, that they normally wouldn't do, without them realizing that anything's amiss. But yeah, while that inevitably necessitates deception, I wouldn't say it's defined as deception.
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Not necessarily. Sometimes social engineering takes advantage of people's assumptions. If you wear a printer servicing uniform and people assume that you're there to fix a printer, are you lying or deceiving them? I'd posit that their assumptions are incorrect and you're not deceiving them unless you're challenged and you start lying.
Bullshit, of course you're deceiving them. You cannot expect normal human beings to question all their assumptions 24/7. Every time you blinked you'd have to prove to yourself that the whole universe hadn't just been switched off and then instantaneously recreated itself.
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Not necessarily. Sometimes social engineering takes advantage of people's assumptions. If you wear a printer servicing uniform and people assume that you're there to fix a printer, are you lying or deceiving them? I'd posit that their assumptions are incorrect and you're not deceiving them unless you're challenged and you start lying.
Bullshit, of course you're deceiving them. You cannot expect normal human beings to question all their assumptions 24/7. Every time you blinked you'd have to prove to yourself that the whole universe hadn't just been switched off and then instantaneously recreated itself.
True story, I once walked into an Apple store wearing a blue shirt.
As luck would have it - it looked pretty damn close to the blue shirts that all the "Geniuses" were wearing that day.
Once inside the store, I was bombarded by a constant stream of people asking me technical questions - which it just so happens that I'm good at answering! ^_^
I didn't deliberately choose to wear a blue shirt that day - it was just the luck of the draw.
Did I deceive anyone in this case??
Social engineering can take on many forms
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"Intent" plays a big part in whether you can be considered to be deceiving someone.
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Not necessarily. Sometimes social engineering takes advantage of people's assumptions. If you wear a printer servicing uniform and people assume that you're there to fix a printer, are you lying or deceiving them? I'd posit that their assumptions are incorrect and you're not deceiving them unless you're challenged and you start lying.
Bullshit, of course you're deceiving them. You cannot expect normal human beings to question all their assumptions 24/7. Every time you blinked you'd have to prove to yourself that the whole universe hadn't just been switched off and then instantaneously recreated itself.
True story, I once walked into an Apple store wearing a blue shirt.
As luck would have it - it looked pretty damn close to the blue shirts that all the "Geniuses" were wearing that day.
Once inside the store, I was bombarded by a constant stream of people asking me technical questions - which it just so happens that I'm good at answering! ^_^
I didn't deliberately choose to wear a blue shirt that day - it was just the luck of the draw.
Did I deceive anyone in this case??
Social engineering can take on many forms.
Yes, yes you are deceiving people.
Someone comes in and says, "I need help with this." They are assuming that you are an Apple employee, and since you did not correct them, and you KNEW, or at least had a pretty reasonable certainty that they considered you an employee, you are deceiving them.
Now imagine the advice you gave backfired. The customer comes back and says, "Your genius said I should do this, and now my device is bricked. I demand a new one!" After someone back and forth they discover that you wer
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Bullshit, of course you're deceiving them. You cannot expect normal human beings to question all their assumptions 24/7.
In some circumstances you ARE supposed to question them. And that is the whole point. Its one thing when the secretary assumes the printer guy is the printer guy, its another when its the guard at the front door.
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" Every time you blinked you'd have to prove to yourself that the whole universe hadn't just been switched off and then instantaneously recreated itself."
I thought the universal sign of universe reset was Deja Vu.
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Of course you are deceiving them. The entire point is to make them think something is true, which isnt; thats basically the definition of deception.
Its like lying by omission. If your mother were to ask "did you eat the cookies" and you answer "no" since you only ate a singular cookie, you have lied / practiced deception. Technically your words were true but they were specifically phrased to make her believe something false.
Re:hmmmm (Score:4, Insightful)
Here's a car analogy - a car advert might specify "does not contain carcinogenic seat material" with the intent that people will question other makes that don't have that disclaimer. Now, they are not actually deceiving people as they are making a true claim and advertising standards would have no problem with it.
If I go for a job interview wearing clothes that I normally wouldn't wear (suit, tie etc), am I deceiving the interviewers that I usually dress like that?
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Can you explain to me why you think using actions to lead people to believe incorrect things is different than using words to do so?
Deception is deception, whether through actions or appearance or words. The goal is to lead someone to believe something untrue, and how it is done doesnt change that it is deception.
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I don't believe that I'm responsible for other people's beliefs. If other people choose to believe something, then that is their concern. If I wear a Superman outfit, I don't feel that it's my
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Regarding the car analogy; I can't believe that a competitor could possibly win such a court case. Hair products routine
Not a euphemism (Score:2)
It's just a more specific term. Social engineering is a particular type of deception, just like a salmon is a particular kind of fish.
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Social engineering is social engineering. Penetrating a security system is penetrating a security system.
Except security systems rarely exist without a human component.
Re:Who Belongs... (Score:4, Insightful)
Bet this wouldn't work if you looked like a muslim.
It would in the Middle East.
Re:Who Belongs... (Score:4, Informative)
Hmmm Superbowl in Dubai...
I bet they would, NFL'd eat a dead rat sandwich if they thought it would profit them.
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It would in the Middle East.
Or even Australia [wikipedia.org].
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You could dress like a camel, shut out the lights in the stadium and sneak in unnoticed , like I did...
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Superbowl: A giant toilet we flush cash down every year for no gain.
Thus the name I've used for quite a while to describe it when asked "are you gonna watch the super-bowl?".. I reply "oh you mean the toilet-bowl"