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Meet Two Security Researchers Apple Hates (Video) 146

This video is a half-hour speech given by Dino Dai Zovi and Charlie Miller, two people Apple corporately hates because of their success in finding security holes in Apple operating systems and software. Both Charlie and Dino have been mentioned on Slashdot before and probably will be again. This is a chance to see how they sound and look in person, talking to a small "by invitation only" group. They have a book to push, too: The iOS Hacker's Handbook. (Please note that this book is supposed to help you secure iOS and iOS apps, not exploit security holes in them.)

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Meet Two Security Researchers Apple Hates (Video)

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 21, 2012 @10:56AM (#41411153)

    Seriously... why the inflammatory headline? other than creating link bait. Why would Apple hate them? They're doing the R&D on security for them...

    • by Cutting_Crew ( 708624 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @10:57AM (#41411167)
      well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.
      • Charlie and Dino sounds like some kids adventure movie. What's up with that?

      • by aristotle-dude ( 626586 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:03AM (#41411241)

        well Charlie did get banned from the app store for 1 year for finding a security hole. Perhaps they dont hate him but they got pretty miffed at him.

        No, he was banned because he deliberately violated the terms of the appstore by creating a tool that collected end user information instead of disclosing the issue to apple.

        • then they should have said, "hey i know that we have these rules but these guys helped us out so we are going to give them a one time pass" "Charlie next time please work with us if you have a security hole and we will even give you a temporary account to play around with things to confirm or not future security holes". Wouldnt that have been the 'right thing' to do??
          • Right. Like when someone commits an act of pre-meditated murder against a murderer. The law should say "Hey, I know he violated the law, but he helped us out, so we are going to give him a one time pass"

            "Wouldnt that have been the 'right thing' to do??"

            No. The right thing to do would be to follow standard full disclosure [wikipedia.org] principles. What he did is the rough equivalent of releasing an exploit into the wild.

      • by jo_ham ( 604554 ) <joham999@gmail.cTIGERom minus cat> on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:03AM (#41411253)

        Actually he got banned for breaking the store terms and conditions, not for discovering a security hole.

        The headline is just linkbait - Apple does not hate people who discover security holes in its software, it's quite the opposite. They take time to mention and thank people who find specific bugs in their security update notes and have been doing for many years when they close that particular hole.

      • Isn't this anti-competitive behavior?

        • by Desler ( 1608317 )

          No. It's not. He violated the App Store ToS and got banned from the service. How exactly is that 'anti-competitive behavior'?

      • Maybe because his app was basically spyware and Apple's policies specifically forbid that. While Charlie Miller didn't use his app for evil purposes, it was still against the developer agreement.
    • Re: (Score:1, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward

      "Why would Apple hate them"
      uh, maybe because Apple likes to keep any of its security issues quiet rather than watch these two guys publicly expose iPhone issues the way the entire open-source Android developer community does for Android Phones. What these two guys are doing is contrary to the walled-garden business model that is Apples creed.

    • Because there is a good portion of people who do not understand, it is not what you do but how you do it.

      There is a fine line of being a companies best friend and worst enemy. It just goes on to how you approach a problem.

    • by Americano ( 920576 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:40AM (#41411677)

      Funny thing is, at about 50 seconds into the video, Charlie says, "The good thing about Apple is, it's only a 1 year ban, where I'm banned from Google for... lifetime."

      Huh, imagine that. I guess Google must "corporately hate these guys" even more than Apple!

  • by ackthpt ( 218170 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @10:57AM (#41411175) Homepage Journal

    Even go so far as to pay them. Finding these holes should be done before harm happens. Futher, Apple should review their coders who leave the gaps in and train (or sack) them.

    • by fermion ( 181285 )
      Absolutely. I mean if someone finds a way to hack your security system and enter your house without you knowing, they do not have a responsibility to tell anyone. No, they should plant cameras in you bedroom and bathroom so they can proive the concept [macgasm.net], then showing how silly you are for note having perfect security by uploading naked pictures of kids and you doing naughty things to the internet.

      Further, there is no way that the person who broke into your house is responsible. It is your fault for not h

  • Hate? (Score:5, Informative)

    by cultiv8 ( 1660093 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:01AM (#41411207) Homepage
    Is that why Apple gave them free early-release copies of OS X Lion and invited them to test [digitaltrends.com]?
    • Re:Hate? (Score:5, Funny)

      by Desler ( 1608317 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:04AM (#41411261)

      Stop bringing facts into this!!

    • by Ixitar ( 153040 )

      This just shows the article submitter's bias.

  • Scumbags (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:07AM (#41411303)

    All they do is hurt Apple's good name. Apple needs to have these idiots sent to prison, something they should be doing more of during this global assault of this proud American corporation.

  • But it turns out, most of my headaches are MY FAULT. By following bad eating habits, for example, I create sub-optimal nutritional conditions which, at times, results in discomfort. Other causes of headaches might result from other conditions within my preventative control. And it is my failure to manage those conditions which is the cause of my headaches.

    Apple? Are you listening? Manage your conditions and you will have fewer headaches.

    • What the hell is so sub-optimally nutritious about an Apple? It sounds like it is your ignorance that is causing you headaches to me ...
  • reads like it was written by a 1st year PR student.

  • Is there evidence that Apple actually hates them? Or is this more like those side bar ads:

    Astronomers Hate Her. Housewife discovers 10 secrets for firm abs.
  • by arkane1234 ( 457605 ) on Friday September 21, 2012 @11:24AM (#41411487) Journal

    That headline is pretty damned stupid. It's like the stuff I've seen before on internet scams

    "Doctors hate this bodybuilder - see how he keeps growing 20 lbs of muscle per week!"
    "The U.S. Government hates this guy - see how one guy never pays taxes!"
    "Women hate this doctor - find out how to get any women you want by taking this new secret pill!"

  • The headline reminds of those cheesy ads on (as one example) snopes.com: "Find out why dermatologists hate this guy."
    "Use this silly old trick to lose stubborn belly fat."

    Slashdot encourages you to watch the video Apple doesn't want you to see!!!11

I've got a bad feeling about this.