Osama Bin Laden Didn't Encrypt His Files 333
An anonymous reader writes "If you're running a terrorist organization, it might make sense to encrypt your files. Clearly Osama Bin Laden didn't realize that — as some of the documents seized during the raid on his hideout in Pakistan have been made public for the first time. 17 electronic documents, which were found on USB sticks, memory cards and computer hard drives after US Navy Seals killed the terrorist chief in the May 2011 raid, are being released in their original Arabic alongside English translations by the Combating Terrorism Center, reports Sophos."
Security through obscurity (Score:5, Insightful)
Worked pretty well for the 10 or so years it took to *find* his files!
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Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
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How are we supposed to know they're legitimate? Hell, how are we supposed to know that they actually killed him? No real evidence has been shown, never mind a body. A case built on "evidence" like presented so far would be laughed out of even a kangaroo court!
Is this FreeRepublic.com now?
~S
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
Is this FreeRepublic.com now?
~S
Yes, but we're still arguing over whether it's Free Beer Republic or Free Speech Republic.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
Is this FreeRepublic.com now?
~S
Yes, but we're still arguing over whether it's Free Beer Republic or Free Speech Republic.
Free Beer Republic. Because that way you'll be so drunk you won't care and will say whatever you want regardless.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Insightful)
This place has always attracted the conspiracy-minded. I think that there are more high-IQ people here than average, and high-IQ people like to find patterns. There is also a high correlation between paranoid schizophrenia and IQ. Conspiracy theories are really just grand pattern-finding exercises.
Of course, no one espousing these theories can explain to me how the government manages to keep a secret.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
This place has always attracted the conspiracy-minded. I think that there are more high-IQ people here than average, and high-IQ people like to find patterns. There is also a high correlation between paranoid schizophrenia and IQ. Conspiracy theories are really just grand pattern-finding exercises.
So you're saying that this forum naturally attracts conspiracy theorists and gives them a place to vent their conspiracies. That would be awfully convenient if there was an organization working in the shadows that needed to monitor people's communications to make sure that none of the conspiracy theorists had accidentally stumbled onto the truth. All they'd have to do is monitor this forum and then disappear anybody who got too close. Awfully convenient indeed....
Perfectly hypothetical, of course. Anyway, I'd write more but I have to go, it's 2:00 AM and for some reason somebody is banging on my door and I better see who it is.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
You forgot the #!#NO CARRIER
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
Forgot the what???? OMG, they got Compaqt !
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Lying is not a concern for people who kill other people.
Lying is not sufficient to keep a conspiracy intact. You need to suppress the tendency of people with big egos to brag. You need to suppress the tendency of people in government to cover their ass. You need to get everyone involved to trust one another. You need to keep everyone involved out of any compromising position that might cause them to bail (spying, trouble with law enforcement, etc). The more people involved with the lie, the harder this all becomes.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Interesting)
Actually, it's paranoid delusions that correlate with a high intelligence somewhat.
Or, to be more precise, elaborate paranoid delusions.
Paranoid Scizophrenia occurs through the entire spectrum and should NOT be confused with general paranoia.
I've met both categories, the difference between the two is that one chooses his own beliefs (no matter how flawed) over the official explanations, even the ones from peer-reviewed research, often due to a misunderstanding of what is being said, but also quite often since we are being taught simple "truths" due to the fact that the complex truths are quite hard to explain to non-professionals in a given field.
Let me put it this way, I know a guy who, when ANYTHING is annoying/unexplained he blames "them".
His shirts have shrunk?
UN did it.
His camera is slightly out of wack in settings from what he remembers from using it the last time?
THEY did it, fortunately, he's vigilant enough to notice it and thus it didn't work.
This sounds like I'm making it up, but, no, he's DEAD set on these things, confronting him on these, for him, extremely important details makes him certain that you are one of "them".
And no, I'm not in a position where I can avoid him and I'm not in a position where I can help him.
My point is that paranoid delusions are, generally, things that in some way make sense AND is not trivial to circumvent while scizo is definitely NOT sensible.
Meaning, they have fully formed arguments about them and they also generally work well in society as well (even if extreme cases like Anders Behring Breivik exist (a current terrorist in Norway, complex case up in the courts right now)), most importantly, they can generally NOT be "cured" by drugs while scizoid people can (although temporarily, and only of the scizoid part, so the paranoia may remain).
Psychologists generally don't treat paranoid people since, well, they are generally well-adjusted and can hold a job and so forth.
Paranoid scizos often freak out when confronted, meaning, they generally avoid discussion on the internet unless they are sure they can't be argued against.
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Actually, it's paranoid delusions that correlate with a high intelligence somewhat. Or, to be more precise, elaborate paranoid delusions.
Paranoid Scizophrenia occurs through the entire spectrum and should NOT be confused with general paranoia. I've met both categories...
And both the categories are actually me. One version of me communicates to the other asynchronously by sending text messages and emails because both versions can not be active at the same time, synchronous communication is impossible. But both my avatars have high IQ and have come to accept the fact they can never meet each other face to face. They have friended each other in facebook, that is the closest they are going to get, it is bittersweet sad and joyous thing. Did I mention I am bipolar too?
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:4, Insightful)
Not just conspiracy theorists but gamers.
Come on, what does good gamer do? Put himself in the shoes of the other player and ask "What is the best move in his position?" This sort of thinking requires you to question what you think you know to make inferences.
How do we know any of these things? We don't. That's just the truth. We have no way of knowing, and we never will. Even the members of "Seal Team Six" wouldn't know...there is no way they read everything they collected. Nobody but the analysts will ever know.... until one of them writes a book about it...and then we still will have to wonder if he is full of shit or not.
We do know that they claim this is a small fraction of the total.
What is the smart move?
Fakes take work but, in this case, there is a low chance of anyone ever proving a fake. Denials by someone whose words were faked may come if they are still alive, but, it would be there word against the US Governments.
My guess is they are real, but heavily cherry-picked. They released enough to refocus some media attention on their crusade. That is always good when you are trying to justify your job. I don't know if you have gotten up close and personal with the inner workings of a lumbering bureaucracy like the federal government, but, from what I have seen, the top and middle are a constant storm of minor players scrambling to look important so that their budget gets expanded rather than cut. So any release like this is excellent for someone.
On the more tactical side, NPR was astounded at how unlike a comic book supervillian he really was, and more like a "Worried CEO", there is probably some attempt to highlight this in an attempt to demystify him.
added bonus, probably increases the general levels of communication within their networks, and entices any existing groups/members to make public statements in response, which provides more information, keeps the cause in front of the cameras, and gives the FBI some fodder to use on their front, creating fake terrorists to nab, and justify the eternal vigilance....and funding.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Insightful)
All interested groups--those who would benefit from him being alive and those who would benefit from him being dead--agree that he's dead. His family members, including his wives, agree that he's dead. The Pakistani government, angry that the US violated their sovereignty, and embarrassed that OBL was in an area known to senior members of their intelligence apparatus (IE they were caught with their pants down), agree that he's dead. The consequences of claiming he's dead when he's not would be disastrous. A non-trivial number of people (between those in the situation room, including a photographer, those on the SEAL team, those on the ship that the SEAL team flew to) would be able to blow the whistle on the conspiracy.
This isn't about legal standard of proof--if it was ever legally required the government would show the court some of the DNA, dental, photographic, and video evidence they have--it's about simple common sense.
If you believe Osama bin Laden is not dead, say so. If you believe these documents are not legitimate, say so. This kind of wishy-washy devil's advocate crap where people claim that there are "unanswered questions" but lack the intellectual honesty to actually stand behind the only possible conclusion that could be drawn by the answers they're implying is so stupid.
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But he's just asking questions [southparkstudios.com]!
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Insightful)
The unanswered question is, why the claim of justifiable execution when they had him captured when the majority of the planet wanted him in trial.
Forget the bullshit about risk, that is just bullshit. By far the majority wanted to see him paraded before the public, lead around in handcuffs, reduced to nothing but just another criminal on trial. They wanted to see the evidence, they wanted all the accusations out in the open and, they wanted to understand how a US government funded agent become an anti-US terrorist.
They wanted the details, they wanted the truth they absolutely did not want some bullshit stage photo shoot of Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton sitting around a room with the co-conspirators pretending to watch it live, what a crock of shit. We by law had the right to our bloody trial, we had the right to all the evidence, we had the right to know everything that went on and we had the right to track all the government failings of the.
Because SEALs aren't the police (Score:4, Insightful)
The rules of engagement are different for soldiers. I'm not just talking in high level theoretical moral terms, I mean there are actual rules spelled out, laws, international agreements and so on. They were sent in to neutralize him, not capture him. Now that could mean capture, but only if he surrendered immediately and completely. If he tried to run, or fight, even in a proforma way, they were justified in killing him.
Police are legally supposed to use deadly force only as a last resort, only when it is necessary to defend life or the like. Soldiers are allowed to use deadly force far more widely. Their gun is often the first thing they go for, not the last.
Also Bin Laden was a completely legit military target. Commanders of hostile forces are always legit to go after, killing generals is legal.
If you declare war (successfully) on a country, and that is what he did, you are going to be subject to having the military of the country after you. They don't play by the same rules as civilian agencies in fact and in law.
Alive he would have been a rallying point (Score:5, Insightful)
dead he is a short term martyr at best.
What nation could try him let alone hold him? The US? Hell we would have enough people who regularly post here decrying that let alone people protesting everywhere.
Then when you try him exactly who is going to want to keep him? Which country wants a permanent living flashpoint in their borders?
For every reason I could see taking him alive I can find many more for having him dead. There are people in this world who simply serve no purpose in keeping alive. Yes it is a sad observation but until people acknowledge that the world isn't going to get far. You cannot simply wish people to be good. Some just are not fit to be part of society, some merely see society as something to destroy.
I guess it would make some people feel better about themselves, magnanimous even, to hold these types indefinitely but I find the who generally want this have no skin in the game to begin with.
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No one claimed justifiable execution. They did claim that OSB tried to fight the seals and could not be taken peacefully.
And then they later admitted that that was bullshit and that he was unarmed, along with some bs handwaving about how he "didn't surrender immediately".
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And then they later admitted that that was bullshit and that he was unarmed, along with some bs handwaving about how he "didn't surrender immediately".
Yeah, what they meant is that there is no fucking way a Navy Seal with Osama bin Laden in his sights is going to refrain from shooting him in the face. Not if there's even the slightest resistance, or the slightest chance the mission could go sour -- and they'd already lost a helicopter -- and he somehow gets away without being filled with lead. Not if he gave him the tiniest excuse. Fuck, probably not even then.
Navy Seals are not police officers. Nor were they asked to be in this circumstance. Expecti
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Funny)
"I have no idea ..."
You could have stopped right there.
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I have no idea if Osama bin Laden is alive, or if he's dead, or if he ever even existed in the first place. All I'm asking for is for some quality evidence to be presented, rather than merely claims, or some speculation built upon assumptions (like you've provided). Until we have some real evidence, we can't say for sure what did or did not happen.
I'll feed. What sort of evidence would you require to prove that he existed at all?
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Insightful)
Because if Emmanuel Goldstein hadn't existed, it would have been necessary to invent him.
(Apologies to Orwell and Voltaire.)
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This comment is (uncharacteristically for /.) brilliant.
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:5, Insightful)
Jumping too soon on a story (ie. Chavez Out of Power, Dewey Defeats Truman), is hardly the same thing as just about every one else telling you that OBL is dead. The fact of Chavez being in and out of power is a much more fluid situation than Osama bin Laden with two holes in his chest and having been dumped in the Indian Ocean off the deck of a warship. With Chavez, they were simply wrong, with bin Laden, they'd have to be outright lying.
Fact is, you don't really get to keep nasty secrets like this for long. Just about everything the US government or its agents have ever done which is nasty or illicit has come out long before any sort of National Archives release date. Even Nixon couldn't cover his shit up. If OBL was not dead or it was a fake, it would come out. It might be for honesty, it might be for a huge payday, or it might just be for ego.
Documentation is fine, but it can be faked. In the end, you don't trust in documents, you trust in the preponderance of evidence that you get from a variety of diverse sources, including those who have no stake in telling lies. As someone pointed out, both the US government and AQ admitted OBL is dead. I don't see any reason to disbelieve them. It's not like it changed anything at all. No wars will end, no wars will start. Hell, it was even too soon to allow Obama to get an Election year bump in the polls.
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How are we supposed to know they're legitimate? Hell, how are we supposed to know that they actually killed him? No real evidence has been shown, never mind a body. A case built on "evidence" like presented so far would be laughed out of even a kangaroo court!
Yep, people spotted him smoking a joint with Elvis at Cannes.
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Too many people with different viewpoints saw the photographic and other evidence to confirm he was really killed. He survived for 10 years mostly because of elements of the Pakistani security organizations and what passes for their government protection. If they were not convinced the op was successful they probably wouldn't have gotten so upset that the US didn't give them a heads up before the operation and they would have provided contradicting evidence to disprove the death claim. I'm still amazed th
Re:Security through obscurity (Score:4, Funny)
really? (Score:5, Insightful)
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I am just guessing, of course; maybe they are less organized than I am giving them credit for. Failing to encrypt is certainly an indication of that...
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Your comment is irrelevant. An informant/spy/traitor might be willing to risk stealing a small thumb-drive but would probably not risk a direct or violent route.
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Yep. I kept passwords on stickies under my monitor. "That's not secure". Reply: "If somebody in the building is looking under my monitor, finding the PW and figuring out what UID and service it belongs to, we've got bigger problems".
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It's not like OBL's biggest worries were the contents of his USB sticks should hostile individuals be present in his home.
That depends on whether his chief concern was his own life or that of his associates. If he really gave two shits about his fellow terrorists, he would have encrypted the data to protect them in the event of his discovery. OBL: selfish, stupid, or both. No surprises there.
No computers and no brain for math (Score:3)
He couldn't run GPG on his paper abacus.
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Obligatory XKCD (Score:4, Funny)
http://xkcd.com/538/
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"[...] Hit him with this $5 wrench until he tells us the password."
"Uh...we already shot him."
"Well, that's not going to be helpful..."
Why bother with the inconvenience? (Score:5, Insightful)
He correctly understood that they wouldn't be used against him as evidence in a court of law.
Perhaps to Protect Others and Alliances? (Score:3)
He correctly understood that they wouldn't be used against him as evidence in a court of law.
Uh, perhaps the idea would be to use a strong encryption so that if someone did find them, they wouldn't give away all the people you are collaborating with? Sure, it would be broken 20 years down the road but ... surely even in death you would want to protect your cause and your allies? Seems like pretty common sense to me ... just another sign that he didn't really care about those around him or he didn't understand technology.
The less information you give your enemy the better. Even minute things
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The impression I've gotten so far is that he didn't reveal anything all that useful against his organization. It does appear, however, that he missed the opportunity to encrypt 15GB of /dev/random . This is an opportunity that any successors should not miss. It might not do you any good, but it will really annoy the opposition.
Avoiding The Man 101 (Score:3, Insightful)
Lesson 1, Page 1, in covert operations:
Anonymity deflects more bullets than body armor.
Encryption prevents viewing the data only for the amount of time it takes to torture the passphrase out of you. Since you need the key to view your encrypted data, it's almost assured that the key will be near the data in some form, minimally protected. Encryption therefore provides little (if any) security in that scenario. In fact, it could cause more harm than good; It may lull you into a sense of false security.
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Lesson 1, page 2.
That bit I wrote on page 1 has proven false. Some how, the NSA clicked a mouse, the lights dimmed, and a computer spit out my passphrase.
I go now. Bye.
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Consider that he used people to move data a lot. PGP and the like would make a lot of sense for his underlings to be able to know it came from him and insure the intermediaries could not decode it.
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If he's worried that these intermediates would access and/or abuse the information they are entrusted to transfer, those intermediates do not have the level of trust needed to be an intermediate to someone like Osama bin Laden to begin with.
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Risk Assessment (Score:2)
He may well have operated on the assumption that if ever his enemies laid hands on his computer files, odds are that lack of encryption would be very, very low on his list of Things I Need To Worry About Right Now; thus, it would make little sense to spend his limited resources on this line of defense.
No real need for him to encrpyt (Score:5, Interesting)
Why would he need to encrypt files he was storing with him? He was living covertly, so did not have to worry about surveillance. And these documents were essentially for internal (read: his own and his few insiders) use. Any distribution of those documents from his location was handled by courier, and AQ uses encryption and steganography when distributing their documents as recent news has shown, logically the same measures were probably undertaken whenever these documents left the compound. As high a profile target as he is, he really didn't have to worry about anyone snooping on him, it would be much more profitable to capture or kill him if his location were known than it would be to sit on him and investigate traffic. And odds are the NSA and other intelligence agencies would brute force and eventually crack any encryption regardless. At best, all the encryption would do is buy time for AQ to bug out/scrap plans/accelerate operations. In all likelihood they probably had a contingency plan for bin Laden's eventual capture/death(whether natural or by bullet/missile) which involved changes in methods, distribution networks, or locations, causing any intelligence gained to lead to mostly ghosts and cold trails.
Think of this another way: do you encrypt your USB drives if you are just transferring your files from one computer to another in your house? Even if the files are sensitive, it's a waste of time, because the drive isn't intended to be removed from your house.
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...it's a waste of time, because the drive isn't intended to be removed from your house.
Then real life creeps in, and unenteded consiquences spoil your day, some one pops a tire on your getaway ride, some trusted flunky slips a USB stick in his pocket...
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And odds are the NSA and other intelligence agencies would brute force and eventually crack any encryption regardless. At best, all the encryption would do is buy time for AQ to bug out/scrap plans/accelerate operations.
There are two kinds of encryption, one will keep your kid sister out of your files unless she does a little research on the internet and spends a few hours running a breaker program.
The other kind of encryption, "hard encryption" will keep present technology, on average, busy until well after the heat death of the universe before getting lucky enough to brute force guess the key. If this encryption is used well and the keys safeguarded effectively, it is unbreakable until a breakthrough in methods or techn
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... If this encryption is used well and the keys safeguarded effectively, it is unbreakable until a breakthrough in methods or technology comes about - quantum computing holds the promise to break some forms of strong encryption, if it ever matures.
If you capture the computer on which the files are composed (using commercial software), and the encryption is performed, and it is running a regular consumer OS, are the keys/pass phrases really secure against an opponent with unlimited resources?
Missing the point entirely (Score:2)
Of course Osama bin Laden doesn't care -- he's dead. But I can only imagine all the intel regarding locations, plans and correspondence has helped the US in their efforts against the surviving leaders of al-Qaeda.
So yes, not encrypting the files and having those files now in the hands of their enemy does make a difference.
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Of course Osama bin Laden doesn't care -- he's dead.
What I think this shows is that OBL didn't care what happened to his cause after his inevitable (from old age, if nothing else) death.
Key escrow (Score:2)
Probably nature of his job/post/tenure assumed crypto keys were being held in escrow.
We aren't talking rocket scientists here (Score:4, Insightful)
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Most of them aren't entirely sure why they hate us but they do.
Translation: I'm not entirely sure why they hate us, but they do.
Luckily for you Grayhand (2610049), there are ways to educate yourself and remedy your ignorance.
al-Qaeda and its affiliates have been telling us for decades why they hate us and how we can get them to leave us alone.
You can start by seeing why they say they hate 'us' and then read why the experts think they hate us.
Your task will be much easier if you ignore talking heads on TV and instead read some journals on foreign policy.
Terrorists: Doctors, Lawyers, Engineers, Scientist (Score:5, Interesting)
We aren't talking rocket scientists here. . . . . The "terrorist" are middle east versions of neo-nazi rednecks.
I'm afraid you've got things quite wrong in some important ways.
The Educated Muslim Terrorist [frontpagemag.com]
What Makes a Terrorist [american.com]
Two thougths: (Score:5, Insightful)
How do they know? (Score:2)
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How could anyone tell that there are no encrypted files?
The usual first mistake is a sticky note with the password on it.
Common mistake number two is a big icon on the quicklaunch bar labeled "SuperSecretCryptoAccess."
You think I kid?
Why should he encrypt? (Score:2)
These items were located in his "safe" hiding place. Defended by the most loyal of the loyal followers he had. One thing was nearly certain: If anyone ever got into this place, he would get in there after a lengthy and bloody fight. His chances to survive that fight, if it was lost, were close to zero, and even if he survived, his chances to get out as a free man were zero. And it's not only likely that the 'trial' he would be put into in such a case ends in a death sentence.
So why bother encrypting? If any
Slashdot is surprisingly ignorant about crypto (Score:3, Insightful)
So they killed him? (Score:2, Insightful)
Don't forget steganography (Score:5, Funny)
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Wasn't this folder one of the standard library folders in Windows, anyways? Music, Pictures, Documents, Evil Plans. That's what my Start menu shows.
Interesting Reading (Score:3)
The released documents are interesting reading - although very long-winded and obtuse. What fascinates me is the overall callousness and unemotional references to non-Muslim human lives. Bin Laden cautions against killing the French hostages, not because killing is wrong, but because the political ramifications might have a negative effect at this time. The only time there seemed to be any concern for human life was on the issue of suicide bombings that killed random Muslims in Afghanistan & Pakistan. For most of the letters, he could very well have been a CEO talking about a downsizing at a branch office.
Its propaganda. (Score:3)
From TFA:
In contrast to his public statements that focused on the injustice of those he believed to be the “enemies” of Muslims, namely corrupt “apostate” Muslim rulers and their Western “overseers,” the focus of Bin Ladin’s private letters is Muslims’ suffering at the hands of his jihadi “brothers”. He is at pain advising them to abort domestic attacks that cause Muslim civilian casualties and focus on the United States, “our desired goal.”
Out of 6000+ documents, they picked this to release. You don't need a huge imagination to see why.
Although I do give them credit in making this public and trying to focus attacks back on to US forces. It makes leaving Iraq/Afghanistan a lot easier if you don't have to worry about them killing each other after you leave.
Just like one of us (Score:3)
No-one encrypts their files, or their e-mails, so why would he do it? I bet he also didn't keep backups, again just like the rest of us.
This just proves that Osama bin Laden was just a normal guy. Except maybe for his passion to kill, that is.
OS? (Score:3)
Any idea what OS he used?
Call me paranoid... (Score:3)
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He probably figured it was not worth being tortured for his password.
Re:How do we know? (Score:4, Insightful)
^^ this.
He was dead anyway, regardless of how well protected his encrypted content was. Also, his network was (and is) set up in such a way that even a year after Bin Laden was captured/killed, we *still* haven't tracked down his lieutenants, I don't think he really had anything to worry about with the security of his data.
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Surely the Pentagon knows how to crack encryption, no?
Please see http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/06/26/1825204/fbi-failed-to-break-encryption-of-hard-drives [slashdot.org]
the FBI has failed to decrypt files of a Brazilian banker accused of financial crimes...two encryption programs, one Truecrypt and the other unnamed
Surely they could use some of their "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques" to elicit the passwords from someone. (see http://xkcd.com/538/ [xkcd.com])
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FBI != NSA.
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Nor does it help. Especially in this case.
The NSA was going to read his files if it took a year, and he was smart enough to know he had no means of encryption at his disposal that the NSA couldn't crack.
The content of the documents released so far suggest there was very little to be gained by encrypting them. No deep secret plans, no address books, no escape routes or bank account numbers.
I'm sure there may well be other documents that are not yet released.
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Whahuh? Any modern, simple symmetric cipher could have protected his data from anyone but god, for the foreseeable future of the Universe. You can speculate all you want about NSA having some deep secret method of attacking asymmetric ciphers, but nestable modern symmetric ones with huge keys? Get real. And OBL would probably have loved knowing that the NSA was going to spend years accomplishing absolutely nothing with them. Heck, he probably should have encrypted a bunch of random data files alongside his
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Where does he keep these huge keys? Does he memorize them?
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I'm sure there may well be other documents that are not yet released.
Indeed. They released 17 documents, and state that they capture thousands.
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Yeah, you were wrong there too. No need to be so proud of a wrong answer that you spread it around.
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Did you bother to learn the first thing about crypto before posting this? Obviously not.
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(although undoubtedly they are so far on the cutting edge of capability that they are probably in danger of falling off)
That made me laugh. Death by tech overdose. :)
Re:It's not like it would have help (Score:4, Insightful)
More likely they can just dedicate hundreds of hours worth of computing to brute-forcing a single piece of intelligence
More likely hundreds of years worth or more... I personally consume 20 CPU-years on a regular basis for things of no national security importance whatsoever.
Remember, kids, encryption strength is exponential with respect to key length! Make 'em nice and long if you don't want the NSA to read 'em!
It doesn't really have to be that much more advanced than what we have (although undoubtedly they are so far on the cutting edge of capability that they are probably in danger of falling off)
Frankly it won't be any more advanced than what "we" have. They might ask for a tweak or two to whatever vendor (e.g. or even i.e. Cray) they buy from, but it's not going to be significantly different than their commercially-available cutting edge.
Remember, the government doesn't make much of anything in the way of technology. The military, who undoubtedly has stuff "we" don't, still has that stuff designed and manufactured by private contractors -- Boeing, Rayethon, etc. Some of these are almost exclusively defense contractors so sure you pretty much aren't going to see what the military has elsewhere.
In silicon the big manufacturers sell primarily to non-government agencies, and they're selling their best stuff not holding back so the NSA can get it before anyone else when there's way more money in competitive advantage in the marketplace.
The government might have some fancy research, but to supply the NSA with what it needs requires large-scale manufacturing from industry.
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Quantum computers speed up brute forcing of symmetric ciphers. But not dramatically so. If you use AES256 we're still talking "until the heat death of the universe" time spans for brute forcing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Key_size#Effect_of_quantum_computing_attacks_on_key_strength [wikipedia.org]
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Re:You're kidding right? (Score:5, Insightful)
Unless of course you really think that any of this happened, in which you are hopelessly retarded! The only thing that might be true is that he's dead, probably in the Tora Bora attack years ago.
If bin Laden died in the Tora Bora years ago, Bush would have played that card when he was losing a bunch of domestic and international credibility after Iraq. That would have taken a lot of heat off of him and make it much easier for him to have gotten things done. Although, judging by your comment you probably also think bin Laden was a CIA agent since the 80s too.
Re:You're kidding right? (Score:4, Insightful)
The only thing that might be true is that he's dead, probably in the Tora Bora attack years ago.
Right. Because George & Dick wouldn't have trumpeted it to the heavens if the got him.
There's a hopeless retard here for sure... (Score:3)
Unless of course you really think that any of this happened, in which you are hopelessly retarded!
I do believe the only hopeless retards here are the ones who don't believe in the simplest possible explanation most likely being true, and instead believe crafting an imaginary entity and then killing the imaginary entity is a task our hopelessly inept government could manage without a thousand thousand leaks...
Yes, truly your kind is retarded beyond hope of recovery and it saddens me that so many fall to your
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If Osama was alive, he would have released a video as soon as possible after we declared him authoritatively dead. "Ha ha, still alive and well, pig-eating traitor American fascists! LOLWUT!"
Osama Bin Laden is profoundly dead. May he rest in many pieces.
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Personally I think he has been dead for years now. It makes more sense than the alternatives, in my opinion.
Not that I really care or have a strong opinion.
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Odd. I'm American and always spelt it 'combatting'.
Neither seems 100% when I think about it, though. The word is "combat ing", not 'combat ting", but combating looks like "com ba ting" as you noted.