Security Expert Slams Google+ Pseudonym Policy 373
An anonymous reader writes "A security expert has panned Google's "real name" policy on Google+, claiming that the hard line will damage privacy. Sophos's Chester Wisniewski says that closing accounts where users have adopted false names erodes privacy on the social network. 'What they seemed to have missed is that the very foundation of privacy is identity. Simply knowing my postal code or birth date is meaningless without a name to associate it with. By requiring people to only use their real names, unless they just happen to be a celebrity, they have eliminated the ability for people to be private in any meaningful way.'"
I feel like I should... (Score:3, Funny)
buy stock in a tin foil company with all the hats that are being made lately.
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I just think that in the modern social network world surely everyone has access to the kind of things that were reserved for celebrities - stalkers, identity theft, fans, followers, past coming back to haunt you decades later etc.
Why shouldn't everyone have celebrity status?
And at what point does someone become a celebrity? How many friends/followers do you need to have? Or is the rule when Google's CEO has heard of you then that's the rule - kind of like "I'll know pornography when i see it"?
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How about this instead... if we are doing no wrong what is the harm of using false names? Why not exhibit some trust? Let a person's action dictate if their account gets killed off.
If anonymous, they can have an infinite number of accounts to spam and troll from. The harm is the destruction of the ecosystem and community all for some pill spam and some 12 year olds making fart jokes. And thats before the professional astroturfers move in and really ruin the neighborhood.
Re:I feel like I should... (Score:5, Insightful)
And requiring "real" names changes that in what way exactly? The average troll/spammer does not even expect his account to live any meaningful length of time. Besides, who says that I'm not really "Frank Benson" or "Thomas Senner"? I mean, until I trolled and spammed like there's no tomorrow, i.e. when this account gets closed and "Norman Richardson" registers?
(disclaimer: None of those names are mine, neither do I know anyone by that name. I made them up. Any similarities with existing people is purely coincidental and not intended)
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I am all three of those people and I find your post offensive. :p
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How about this instead... if you don't like the free service being provided, don't use it.
It isn't clear to me where use of Google+ was being forced upon people. Perhaps if someone could provide a citation.
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Have you been under the rock. We deserve to have everything exactly the way we want it. If we don't like it we complain, but never ever, consider not using it. Oh woe is me my Smart phone has all the features of a High end computer 8 years ago. But it doesn't do X or Y or That device has this carrier problem... And the alternatives have other problems, so I am stuck with that brand. You don't need a smart phone, you don't need to access social media, All you need to do eat, drink, keep your body at aroun
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Oh woe is me my Smart phone has all the features of a High end computer 8 years ago
Sorry for being way off topic, but one thing sorely horribly missing is CAD. Not a viewer but real CAD.
I'm not asking to spend an eight hour shift doing drawings on a tiny little touch screen; that would be pure hell.
But it would be a miracle if I could pull up a print and spend 90 seconds making a trivial edit, instead of trying to involve a cad draftsman back in the office over email or sms.
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I've honestly never tried this, but would a remote desktop application like VNC or LogMeIn work well enough for that kind of task?
Theoretically, but in the networking business I'm out there because there is no network... Otherwise I could VPN in over the internet...
Which brings up all kinds of file synchronization issues, version control, etc.
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Or leaning over??
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Species, yes. Individuals, no.
Re:I feel like I should... (Score:5, Insightful)
While I agree with you, I might want to point out that if people do not complain about things they do not like, these things will not change. No, we're not entitled to forcing a provider to give us whatever we want, but if people voice their opinion, maybe someone will notice that there's a market for it and will start a service.
Free market works both ways. Sometimes, the suppliers just need to be shown what is wanted.
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I don't know about you, but I'm part of a couple of circles of beta-testers. We've been beta testing Google apps and services for years now. We, beta testers, generally don't like the idea that we must use "real names" online. If Google plays hardass with this little nonsense, they'll lose a lot of reliable beta testers quickly. Oh - beta testers are a dime a dozen - baker's dozen that is - but we've been around for a long time. Like I said, we've been reliable. Google comes out with something new, we
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There is a difference between having a discussion, and choosing to not use a product or service because you don't like how it works.
I've used this example elsewhere, but if you wanted to buy a coffee maker, and you specifically wanted to be able to brew full pots of coffee to serve many people, would you choose to buy a single cup maker, then proceed to complain that you can't use it to brew full pots of coffee? No, of course not. So Google has created a product, and one of the features it lacks is the ab
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There is also a GIANT disconnect in people that want to remain private yet have the ability to shout to the world. There is a level of control in G+ which is nice , but lets not confuse that with privacy. As soon as you begin to use this service to attempt to gain any of the value it provides, you have opted out of a giant piece of privacy.
If you want a fake name for privacy, go build you own social network , use a goofy name that cant be associated with you, and then as there will be no one else on your ne
Re:I feel like I should... (Score:4, Insightful)
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The difference is that Google+ is a service, which means that Google maintains some amount of control over it (along with the associated costs that entails). An iPhone is a device, once I buy it and it's in my possession I should be able to do whatever I want with it. Me not following the terms and conditions of Google+ damages (in Google's opinion) the service for everyone else; it is much, much harder to make the same argument to installing software on a piece of hardware that is paid in full and doesn'
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The poster wasn't questioning your right to comment, but was saying that if someone has a problem with the free service being provided, then they have other free alternatives that they can pursue. I tend to agree, and wonder about the concept of pseudonyms for a "social" network - but I would say that if you want to
It's in beta; expressing displeasure can change G+ (Score:2)
anyone remember friendster? (Score:5, Interesting)
friendster was poised to be the facebook of its age. it was wildly popular and growing explosively. i forget the year (2004? 2003?)
then friendster started taking a hard line: no goofy fake name accounts, such accounts were deleted
so people left in droves for a perky startup called myspace
i remember this issue clearly covered in the press, but i can't seem to find any references to such stories to show you what doomed friendster and allowed myspace to take over, apologies
but anyway: learn from history google, or be doomed to repeat it
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Yes, that's exactly why Facebook never worked...
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Yes, that's exactly why Facebook never worked...
And linkedin.
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LinkedIn has the advantage of being aimed at professionals, where using a pseudonym would be totally counterproductive.
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And don't forget Bobby Tables [facebook.com] (not under his full name though).
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Re:anyone remember friendster? (Score:4, Insightful)
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"And FB requires you to use your real name as well."
Say what? I know numerous people who maintain multiple profiles (one as stage name, one as real name).
One person I know is even using MY name, swapped first-for-last, causing quite a bit of confusion. So I'm pretty sensitized to this.
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The problem with nonanonimity (no such word as "nonimity" btw) is that, unlike normal life, the Internet has perfect memory. In normal life, if I fuck up eventually people are likely to forgive and/or forget. If you fuck up on the Internet it gets preserved forever.
And the second problem is that when people stumble across such a preserved moment, they tend to react to
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Is it, now? I think it works quite well.
The way I see it, this isn't about protecting your online identity. Rather the opposite - being able to abandon your online identity if needed, and to maintain a separator between your online identity and your real world person. A stalker cannot easily bother littlmous79, but will have little problems tracking down Anastasia Periwinkle Hott.
And if littlmous79 sees too much trouble, she can abandon it and migrate to using her seagodess79
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^^
I would also add that a lot of employers are now trying to check out peoples' Facebook profiles, or to Google them, prior to offering a job. If you can't separate yourself from some stupid things you did in high school, it hurts your chances of ever landing a well-paying job in the future. Forcing people to use their real names isn't *really* a problem (I use my real name on Facebook for example), but allowing people you haven't friended to "follow" your posts without your permission *is*. Sooner or later
Re:anyone remember friendster? (Score:4, Insightful)
In a nutshell, it's kinda hard to dump your real name and start over with a new one if you happened to have attracted a stalker and want to get rid of him.
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You're sadly mistaken, youngster.
Many people with more knowledge than you frequently use SSH tunneling through semi-private servers for certain tasks. As for browser fingerprint, those services that are specifically designed for privacy/anonymity (NB) remove those characteristics. You've also forgotten the extensive fan bases of Adblock Plus and NoScript. Advertisers know less about everyone than you think. Of course, there are always people who don't worry about anonymity or aren't familiar enough with the
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There's a difference between goofy fake name accounts and a nickname, or in the case of a lot of people I know.. "name that identifies me to my friends but I still need to be hidden from the general public."
Friendster was just getting filled with crap..Ironically, Twitter is full of fake accounts, and they can be some rather popular ones.
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Link to common name [google.com] policy.
Link to pseudonym plans [google.com].
(Google hasn't required "real" legal names, I guess people assume that because Facebook does? They just have been trying to combat spam accounts and impostors.)
Duh (Score:5, Insightful)
I'm pretty sure that's Google's exact intention. If you force people to use their real name, tracking them over all the web gets much easier.
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Not if they don't join specially BECAUSE of the real name policy.
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*specifically
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just like the best buy devil customers, they don't want you then
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Well, I'm definitely not joining.
Then, I'm not on facebook or anything of the sort either.
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Not if they don't join specially BECAUSE of the real name policy.
How hard is it to buy a fake name? 20 million mostly uneducated illegal aliens figured it out without much trouble; Shouldn't be hard at all for me to get a paper documented anonymous G+ account if I really want one.
Its probably cheaper and easier to get on G+ with a paper documented fake name, than pay for an play WOW or other MMORPGs. Yet its not free, which keeps the lowlifes (astroturfers, trolls, spammers) out. Its a good balance.
Don't make it sound like we are the resistance in France during WWII
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Who says you have to buy one? Is Google even validating false names? From what I've seen they're only banning online nicknames. "Fake name" taken literally is just that, an impersonated name, not some absurd word-combination alias.
Eventually someone with a minor grudge would probably report you and then you're gone unless you send them "proof".
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Maybe I'm having a mind lapse, but how would a scanned photo-ID make for non-photoshopable proof?
Put a "cooperate with law enforcement at our discretion" clause in the TOS? I'd think there's some "anti-terrorism" govt group that would be amused at sweeping up all the fake IDs along with the fakers email accts, ip addrs, friends names and contact info, etc. Just the threat of doing it is probably sufficient.
Of course the ideal strategy is using a real ID... My mother and grandmother are never going to go online or use G+, the world is full of people like that, and they all have IDs, which now suddenly
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Maybe demand a webcam pic of them holding the ID up to their face with a provided random number in the other hand?
Uh! Uh! And the local newspaper! And make them dress up! And do some funny tricks while doing that! And then take all those pictures and start a comic!
God, I sometimes have the craziest ideas...
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I'm pretty sure that's Google's exact intention. If you force people to use their real name, tracking them over all the web gets much easier.
When I was in college, there were four people with the same name as me. I just checked LinkedIn, and there are eleven people with the same name as me in the same city as me. I admit that I live in a big city, but I don't have a common first or last name. The world just has a lot of people on it.
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Dumb for G+ (Score:5, Insightful)
If large amounts of people abandon Facebook for G+ they will be motivated by having more control over their privacy. Taking that motivation away, before G+ is even out of beta is a fairly stupid thing for Google to do.
Given what happened with Buzz I'm starting to think that Google has some decision makers who are either very stupid or very out of touch with how people think. I suggest leaving the office and geek circles to get to know some regular people.
I'm glad I created my G+ account with a faux name that sounds like a real name if this is the way they are going to be.
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you can't protect privacy without some degree on anonymity on the internet. It does not matter that those words are not synonymous.
If you want privacy, then you need your anonymity.
Of course that does not limit to that. I mean Google of course correlate your G+ data with your gmail data and your search data and your *web* data through analytics which is hosted on most sites, as well your documents, youtube, and what not. 20% of us also run their browser which calls home for good measure. And an increasing n
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"If you want privacy, then you need your anonymity."
Please explain.
Re:Dumb for G+ (Score:4, Interesting)
Anonymity and privacy are two different things. If Google is going for privacy without anonymity, they're going to have to start teaching people the difference.
They are different IRL; not so much on the internetz. Given how easily it is to (a) collect data about someone, (b) store it, (c) preserve it from degrading, and (d) communicate it, anonymity IS privacy, and sometimes even that is not enough. Privacy is always a single [security breach | disgruntled employee | greedy suit] away from disappearing; anonymity requires much more effort to dispel.
Re:Dumb for G+ (Score:5, Informative)
My profile has all of these items filled out. Only things viewable to public is Name,Gender, and a profile pic. Everything else is either shared with a specific circle, all circles, or extended circles based on how sensitive I find the info. Contact Info goes to specific circles. Education + Employment go to immediate circles. Relationship + Occupation go in extended circles, as that is largely public info, but not something I want shared with the whole world.
This is not rocket science people. Every one of those options was displayed in the very same prompt that that info was entered in. The only excuse someone has for not setting their privacy settings on their profile is "I'm too damn lazy to read."
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That's the threat? Well, let's compare... On one side the threat to lose a fake account on a social network. On the other side having some stalker possibly invade your RL privacy.
Decisions, decisions...
Social network privacy? (Score:5, Insightful)
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He actually means "erodes the ability to not be found out after griefing other accounts that belong to people you know"...
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Its really unworkable (Score:2)
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Don't be ridiculous. There's an existing mechanism to verify someone's identity. It's called state-issued photo ID.
Not everyone lives in America.
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Don't be ridiculous. There's an existing mechanism to verify someone's identity. It's called state-issued photo ID.
Not everyone lives in America.
To expand on this in the UK you can change your name legally without central registration. You can even do it through usage without documentation of any sort. In some countries like Thailand your legal name is often only used for legal documents, another name is used for work and day to day use. G+ are going to have a problem implementing a world wide service that prevents pseudonyms but does not bar legitimate names
Oxymoron (Score:4, Insightful)
The point of social networks is to share. That's naturally counterproductive to privacy. At the very least I must know something about who I'm sharing information with or I wouldn't be there.
The only real privacy on a social network could be within your circle of "friends", as opposed to having a public profile. But within that circle absolute privacy would be pointless.
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At the very least I must know something about who I'm sharing information with or I wouldn't be there.
Yes, but that something doesn't need to be your real name. All you really need to know is that you share common interests.
The only real privacy on a social network could be within your circle of "friends", as opposed to having a public profile.
Or by having a public profile behind a pseudonym. That way you can even share your most embarrassing moment with the world, and it never gets back to you.
I don't se
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I'm very much in favor of privacy and anonymity on the internet. But social networks, by definition, give up information which easily identify who you are. Just your connections can be enough. But more likely you're going to post or connect to certain interests which give up more information.
My view is simply that if you want true anonymity online, you will never have it using a social network.
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My real friends know who I am regardless of if my name on any of those sites is James Dean or Martha Stewart...
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As you just pointed out, you do have privacy in the social network - at least, you do want it.
So no, there's no oxymoron here, and you're contradicting yourself.
Privacy does not mean "secret to only you", it means you share with whoever you like and only those (and that can also be only you if you wish)
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Wikipedia's List of social networking website [wikipedia.org]
How many of those sites require or even encourage the public use of real names? I don't know exactly myself, but i do know that it is _far_ from 100%. In fact i'm guessing that social networking sites that require real identities are actual
Don't like it? Don't join. (Score:4, Insightful)
The choice to join is still yours. If you don't like it, don't join it, pure and simple.
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Has to some accountability. (Score:2)
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I could see this making more sense back in the early facebook days when you were required to have a *.edu and your name could be reasonably verified. With G+ I could make a gmail account "Joe.Blow@gmail.com" and become Mr. Joe Blow. There's no accountability there to begin with.
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Sorry, I really don't want to talk or even interact with anyone not accountable for their actions. (And yes, my account name has a real name behind it so I am accountable, too.) Generally, it's no big deal. However, it's a problem just often enough that I want to be able to report "jerkish" behavior when necessary. And I want someone to do something about it. (I am not allowed to shoot these people.) Sites that do not respond these reports lose my business. Just my 2 cents. Literally.
Just as a helpful warning to you, I tried our strategy when debating an anonymous coward on G+ and they got all creepy, just short of where I felt the need to report them for making personal threats. As a group I've seen they get really freaky when people suggest they aren't worth paying attention to them... like they're going to find a way to force people to pay attention to them, even if its in a very bad way, if you know what I mean. Think of recent atrocities in the news, kind of getting attention. J
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Sorry, I really don't want to talk or even interact with anyone not accountable for their actions. (And yes, my account name has a real name behind it so I am accountable, too.) Generally, it's no big deal. However, it's a problem just often enough that I want to be able to report "jerkish" behavior when necessary. And I want someone to do something about it. (I am not allowed to shoot these people.) Sites that do not respond these reports lose my business. Just my 2 cents. Literally.
You needn't apologize for your opinion, you're as entitled to it to the next guy. But I don't think it's absolutely necessary to have an account associated with an actual identity to be able to report "jerkish" behavior. Suppose "Jerkface87" and "John Smith" were both being jerks. Presumably you could accuse either one.
But couldn't "Jerkface87" just re-register under a different name? Sure. But couldn't John Smith do so to? In fact, couldn't John Smith just come back as another "John Smith"? Or would one ba
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The thing is that a persistent pseudonym accomplishes the same thing. You don't know my name, but this account has been posting on slashdot for over a decade. You can judge whether things I have to say are worth listening to, or whether I'm an astroturfer by the history of things I've had to say. My name is not critical to that decision, nor in fact is my name even unique.
I like the idea of being able to shed a pseudonym over time. People change. I recall hearing politicians lambasted over things they
They lost me (Score:4, Insightful)
Isn't a social network non-private by definition? There are plenty of ways to meet and communicate with people that are somewhat private and anonymous, but a social network (on the internet or in meatspace) is not one of them.
Spamming and Trolling and PR (Score:4, Insightful)
ability for people to be private in any meaningful way.
Code words for spamming, trolling, and PR astroturfing.
I am thrilled G+ doesn't allow psuedonyms. Makes it a much higher class establishment. Rob Malda and I are in each others circles, what could be better?
If G+ was the only social network / web bloggy thing on the internet, if 1% of the population violently disliked a policy of theirs, I guess that would be bad. But they aren't.
Lets visit a paradise of psudonyms, how about my local, not dead yet, newspaper web site. The comments sections are nothing but a dead wasteland of political extremist astroturfers screaming the same corporate / party talking points at each other over and over, spammers trying to sell shoes (wtf?) and pills, and 4chan/goonsquad style shock trollers. Everyone else has been successfully repelled away. Seriously. No normal human beings use it because its a toxic waste dump.
Which brings up the obvious question that always has to be asked... who benefits? Say G+ allows 4chan /. zerohedge style psudeonyms. Who benefits? Mostly I suppose any competitor, since the users of G+ will be strongly repelled. Also PR astroturfing firms will benefit. Who else makes more money? Hmm.
Lets say G+ allows the rabble in, and the rabble repels everyone as they always do. Then whats the point? Who will ye annointed ones, ye whistle-blowers and ye wikileakers tell their important secrets to? The spammer selling dick pills? The political party talking point autopost-bot? No one's perl script will care what they post.
One thing I've noticed in debates on G+ about anonymity is the straw dog always trotted out that unless G+ allows fake names, we'll never have whistleblowers and anonymous leaks. All of which happened before G+ was invented, so presumably could continue to happen after. Furthermore, all the people trotting out that straw dog have NEVER added anything positive to the ecosystem in general or that argument in specific other than "nah nah naah naa na, you don't know who I am, ha ha ha". Anyone trotting out that straw dog better be carrying a wikileaks-grade release, or their just annoying poseurs at best.
Re:Spamming and Trolling and PR (Score:4, Interesting)
I'm firmly atheist. I don't choose to participate in skepticism advocacy, but if I choose to, I might well prefer a pseudonym. (There are several fundamentalists in my management chain at work.)
I know of several people who are involved in the burner and pagan communities, who keep all of their non-mundane activities under pseudonyms. I don't currently know anyone involved in the SCA, but in the past I understood that many people didn't mix their role and real life.
I've been told that the BDSM community uses nicknames almost exclusively.
Many actors, musicians, authors, etc. work under pseudonyms, and would probably prefer not to mix their personal and public identities.
People being stalked (in real life or online) might have something to say, but not want to post under their real name.
Activists in the middle east and china certain prefer not to be forced to post under their real name.
Pretty much any individual or community that is subject to personal, social, legal, or political harassment may have motivation to operate in a public space, but use pseudonyms.
How about having a couple of flags, for "anonymous accounts" and "pseudonymous" accounts (the latter being "google knows my name and has verified it as much as anything else, but it isn't posted associated with this account). And indicate anony/psuedo accounts at the top of the profile screen. Add a security setting to block them entirely.
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you are able to make a reasonable, albeit ironic, statement about pseudonyms and anonymity rather than some YouTube comment trash. Why can't this occur on Google Plus?
Well, thanks, but the answer is I read /. with a score filter of about +1 occasionally +2, and my fine comment above scored a +5... The decade(s) old /. filter really does work.
Give it a try, if you read /. with a filter of -1 or below, there's plenty of "you tube comment trash" level posts floating around.
G+ has absolutely nothing like that. Circles work for filtering posts, but G+ has nothing to stop ACs from spamming a friend's post. Some AC's, like you, are great. A pity you're anonymous so you can'
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And who's to say Google can't or should
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Why the hell you post as vlm and not your real name.
Its not my birth name, but brace yourself to LOL. Lets just say its like saying those guys using their full ham radio callsign as their account name are "anonymous". Um no not really. I suppose I could have used my full callsign instead when I signed up... Regardless pseudonymity on /. works on /. for reasons listed below.
Also whats your opinion about Anonymous Cowards, you think is good that a site have a full anonymity option?
I enjoy zerohedge and 4chan for the trolling itself... I guess G+ admins don't want to turn into a copy of /b/ and that is perfectly OK. If I really wanted G+ to be 4chan's /b/ then ..
Hide a tree in a forest (Score:3)
I "suffer" from quite a common first/last name combination. People who google my name get several thousands of hits - only a few of which trace back to me. (And you'd be hard-pressed to know which few, unless you knew a lot about me, personally). In fact on FB by using my real name I just merge into the crowd of others with that name, or variants of it.
So it seems to me that in order to preserve anonymity on G+, all people have to do is make sure that their real name is a very popular one. It might make it a pain for your friends to find you - although if they really ARE friends, you'll have shown them where you're hiding - but it has a lot of advantages, too.
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I'm in a similar situation. My real name is that of a country singer. Thus very little online is attributable to me. Even if you narrow down searches, it's still hard not to have the singer overwhelm the results.
It may be security through obscurity, but it is one level of protection.
But if you know my real name (Score:4, Funny)
-- Rumple********
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Enforcement? (Score:5, Interesting)
I have still yet to see them use the real name policy on anyone in my circles. Who checks the names? Do they need to be reported? I'm looking at one of my circles right now, and I see names like Sordid Euphemism, Mr Dragon, reddit brony, Fluttershy, the autowitch, Rainbow Danish, etc. Not to mention my own obviously fake name. As far as I can tell this policy isn't being strictly enforced, if at all. That doesn't change the fact that it is a stupid policy, but they don't seem to be removing fake accounts left and right.
When the brand-name friendly version hits... (Score:2)
Display name vs real name (Score:2)
What about allowing people to have a display name (that by default is the same as the real name), and the option of exposing the real name to selected circles?
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What about allowing people to have a display name (that by default is the same as the real name), and the option of exposing the real name to selected circles?
Give us the ability to filter comment posts out if the real name is hidden, and I think market balance would be achieved.
I'm not talking about filtering posts, if gringer is in my circles, as he probably would be, I wanna see gringer's public posts, what I'm talking about is post comments, where gringer posts "What about allowing people to have ... " and instantly he gets 500 anonymous comments trying to sell pills, "my political party is better than the other party", troll troll troll.
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instantly he gets 500 anonymous comments trying to sell pills, "my political party is better than the other party", troll troll troll.
That reminds me, can I interest you in some tasty fudge [gringer.org]? I've heard that it works quite well as a pain reliever [anesthesia-analgesia.org] for newborn babies, and also for pain relief in sexually active adult males [nih.gov].
Sad truth (Score:2)
I think this guy needs to look up some definitions (Score:4, Interesting)
By requiring people to only use their real names, unless they just happen to be a celebrity, they have eliminated the ability for people to be private in any meaningful way.
What a nice twisting of words. How is "having to use your real name" different from being indexed in a phone listing or birthday directory? I think this author needs to look up the definition of "being private". Being private does not mean that people are unaware that you exist or that they are unable to attribute your opinions or other personal data. Rather, it means that you have control over who can access what of your personal data, and I found that easier to do in G+ than FB which is one of the reasons I rather use G+.
Also FB is known for paying people to badmouth Google. Just saying...
a name for each circle (Score:2)
I would like to have a different name for each circle. For my music friends I am Guitar Smasher and for my business colleagues my real name, etc. That with be a real win over Facebook.
Big, big problem. (Score:2, Interesting)
I'm really disappointed with all of the "If you don't like it, go find your own social network!" apologist drivel. That's one step away from "Fuck you, if you don't like what America does, why don't you leave you damn liberal!". Hyper-capitalist worship of business has generated this culture where any sort of despicable behavior by a business, especially large corporation is beyond reproach. "You" peon consumer, can either choose not to buy it, or you can shut up. You don't have the right to criticize a
Getting out of hand (Score:3)
I have a friend whose account was disabled Friday because Google claimed that his name wasn't real. Granted, he does have something of an odd name, but it's his completely legitimate legally given name. He had to resort to creating a Livejournal entry and asking friends to comment on it saying they've known him for a long time and he's always used that name. Supposedly Google will take this testimony into account in these cases.
The kicker? He works for Google. I'm not sure if the account has been re-enabled at this point or not.
Our new overlords. Some asshole programmer in a cube in Mountain View making arbitrary decisions about what names are "real".
Pseudonyms destroyed Yahoo's message boards (Score:3)
I'm not surprised that Google wants people to use actual account names. It still doesn't have to be your real name, you can always create another google account after all! So the title is misleading. What Google is doing is not allowing people to trivially create dozens or hundreds of pseudonyms from one convenient account
The pseudonym mechanic completely destroyed Yahoo's message boards. And I mean completely. The abuse is so high that the value of the boards is gone. They're worthless now. Google is taking that lesson to heart, hopefully.
-Matt
Re:I don't get it (Score:4, Interesting)
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Actually, Google suspended the G+ accounts, and non-related Google services (Gmail, etc) were left intact and operable by the suspended user.
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Yeah, you can control what anyone is allowed to see. I think the least amount of info you can make public are your real name and gender. That's it. Everything else, you can hide and control on a per-circle or per-person basis. I think that's a more than adequate compromise. Yes, you have to use your real name, but if you're so inclined, you can make it so the most anyone can find out about you is that you have a G+ account, which doesn't mean much of anything in and of itself.
You can also make it so you don
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