Times Are Tough For Nigerian Scammers 232
The Narrative Fallacy writes "The Washington Post reports that online swindling takes dedication even in the best of times but succeeding in the midst of a worldwide economic meltdown takes patience, resolve, and hard work. 'We are working harder. The financial crisis is not making it easy for them over there,' said Banjo, 24, speaking about Americans, whose trust he has won and whose money he has fleeced, via his Dell laptop. 'They don't have money. And the money they don't have, we want.' US authorities say Americans — the easiest prey, according to Nigerian scammers — still lose hundreds of millions of dollars a year to cybercrimes, including a scheme known as the Nigerian 419 fraud, named for a section of the Nigerian criminal code. 419 is cemented in Nigerian popular culture. and the scammers, known as 'yahoo-yahoo boys,' are glorified in pop songs such as 'Yahoozee,' which gained even more fame after former secretary of state Colin L. Powell danced to it at a London festival last year."
breaking my heart (Score:5, Insightful)
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I don't know - but when you read that the scammers are being effectively scammed themselves, it warms my heart.
Re:breaking my heart (Score:5, Informative)
Checkout this Scambaiting advice site:
http://www.419eater.com/ [419eater.com]
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Both Japan and Europe at one point in time had the feudal system.
When you have hundreds of sovereign neighbors who want to kill you it gives you good motivation to develop educational instututions which help you develop both hard and soft power through innovation.
Probably also why the greek city staes had a reputation for innovation.
Meanwhile the African tribes were lucky to ever even come in contact with each other and never needed to develop educational institu
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:4, Insightful)
You need to look at African history again - I am certainly not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but warfare (and incidentally slavery) in Sub-Saharan Africa is as old as civilization in Sub-Saharan Africa. For example: Military History of the Mali Empire [wikipedia.org]. The scale of the conflicts was never what it was in Europe and Asia until the 20th century, but that Africa was a collection of totally peaceful isolated tribes until Europeans arrived on the scene is a myth.
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:5, Insightful)
The stock "history" of the bluntest anti-imperialist position is basically "And the noble savages lived happily in idyllic little tribes and Harmony with the land, until the British showed up and shot everyone and nicked their stuff." is almost exactly as reductive as the stock "history of the bluntest pro-imperialist position, which is basically "And the barbarious savages lived in primitive tribes, practicing devil worship and savagery, until the British showed up and civilized everybody and put the land to productive use."
"Agents of the colonial powers arrived on the scene of what was already, and had long been, a complex political and social stage, full of all kinds of various actors and groups, and had to shrewdly navigate a complex web of political interrelations and interactions in order to get anywhere." is much less cleanly satisfactory to either party; but is arguably much more accurate.
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:5, Insightful)
I think that last bit could be a bit more accurate..
"Agents of the colonial powers arrived on the scene of what was already, and had long been, a complex political and social stage, full of all kinds of various actors and groups. And then they showed them how gunpowder works, whereupon the natives were so impressed they fell over and died."
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Whatever happens, we have got
the Gatling gun, and they have not
- from a poem about the Abyssinian campaign
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Whatever happens, we have got
The Maxim gun, and they have not.
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:5, Insightful)
Funny but wrong.
A successful culture will adapt when new technology arrives. Japan dit it. China is doing it. Europe itself dit it, gunpowder after all isn't a western invention. Technology only gives a very temporary advantage, it is culture that matters.
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd be more inclined to blame quirks of geography and environmental biology. Africa has a massive interior area compared to its coastline, and IIRC, the worst ratio of navigable rivers to interior area of any inhabited continent. It also has few usefully domesticated animals. There goes most of your trade, beyond seriously high value/unit weight stuff.
The continent also, because of its climate and biology, has an enormous disease load, which imposes a substantial toll on all activities of life, particularly dire for dense populations(of the sort almost always associated with division of labor, and intellectual, technological, and social development).
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:5, Interesting)
As others have pointed out, you need to review history a bit more. For about 1200 years, the "Moors" (derived meaning "Black") were the conquerors, taking millions of europeans and middle eastern people. Some estimate the number to be approx 40 million. When the Moors sided with the Arabic people, it was very very bad for the Europeans.
Not to say the Europeans were exactly innocent. The "political" systems in place lead to slavery of the general population by the nobility. Needless to say, border disputes were anything but friendly for centuries.
It's easy to believe that the Africans were simple people running around in small tribes who knew nothing but peace and avoiding being eaten by lions, but the Euro/American slave trade triangle was just another very dirty chapter in human history, not the only one like it.
But, if you'd prefer to believe your way, that's your decision. I must quote...
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
George Santayana (1863-1952)
The Life of Reason (1905-1906)
Volume 1, Reason in Common Sense - pg 284
I like to believe that humanity had a kind, gentle history at some point, but in reality there's been an awful lot of blood shed and oppression. It's important for us to know the mistakes we've made before, so we can be better in our future.
Genetics have nothing to do with behavior. All humans are the same. They do learn from their environment. Greed has spread like an epidemic around the planet, and we're seeing the collapse of that system now. It's funny that the scam artists are now complaining that their marks are all running dry.
More on the Moors (Score:5, Interesting)
Coccotti: Sicilians are great liars. The best in the world. I'm a Sicilian. And my old man was the world heavyweight champion of Sicilian liars. And from growin' up with him I learned the pantomime. Now there are seventeen different things a guy can do when he lies to give him away. A guy has seventeen pantomimes. A woman's got twenty, but a guy's got seventeen. And if you know 'em like ya know your own face, they beat lie detectors to hell. What we got here is a little game of show and tell. You don't wanna show me nothin'. But you're tellin' me everything. Now I know you know where they are. So tell me, before I do some damage you won't walk away from.
Cliff: Could I have one of those Chesterfields now?
Coccotti: Sure.
Cliff: Got a match? Oh, don't bother. I got one. So you're a Sicilian, huh?
Coccotti: Uh-huh.
Cliff: You know I read a lot. Especially things that have to do with history. I find that shit fascinating. In fact, I don't know if you know this or not, Sicilians were spawned by niggers.
Coccotti: Come again?
Cliff: It's a fact. Sicilians have nigger blood pumpin' through their hearts. If you don't believe me, look it up. You see, hundreds and hundreds of years ago the Moors conquered Sicily. And Moors are niggers. Way back then, Sicilians were like the wops in northern Italy. Blond hair, blue eyes. But, once the Moors moved in there, they changed the whole country. They did so much fuckin' with the Sicilian women, they changed the blood-line for ever, from blond hair and blue eyes to black hair and dark skin. I find it absolutely amazing to think that to this day, hundreds of years later, Sicilians still carry that nigger gene. I'm just quotin' history. It's a fact. It's written. Your ancestors were niggers. Your great, great, great, great, great-grandmother was fucked by a nigger, and had a half-nigger kid. That is a fact. Now tell me, am I lyin'?
:)
PS: Please direct all credit (or scorn) to True Romance.
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:4, Informative)
the "Moors" (derived meaning "Black")
In Latin, the word maurus (plural mauri) means coming from Mauretania...a Roman province on the north western fringe of Africa (-> Morocco) (see wikipedia) So basically Moors means those from North Africa. They aren't sub-Saharan. The core people of the Moors were "berbers"...Not arabs but not black either.
If you need a real successful "black" civilization. I suggest you to take a closer look at the Nubian civilization. They fought for centuries against the Egyptians, the Greek dynasty and they finally crushed a Roman invasion. The defeat was so devastating, that the Romans signed a peace treaty and they never came back. The Nubian queen are famous (Amanishaketo, etc) nowadays due to recent discoveries.
Or the Ethiopian one, they succeeded to stop the early Muslim invasion (this where the legendary King John was supposed to live, European crusaders tried for years to get in touch with him to fight together the Muslims). They fought for decades against the Italians and they were the first to gain their independence. The famous city of Timbuktu having healthy intellectual/philosophical debates while Europe was experiencing inquisition, etc.
Re:Interesting Difference in Genetics (Score:4, Informative)
Not so. He won the Nobel Prize [wikipedia.org] for his explanation of the photoelectric effect.
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It's like a radio call in contest, once you win you have to let someone else have a chance.
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You forgot to include American funding to the third world, mainly Nigeria.
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I find your ideas intriguing and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
Well, obviously... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Well, obviously... (Score:4, Insightful)
What makes you think the difference has anything to do with differences in ability and is unrelated to geographic opportunity?
Re:Well, obviously... (Score:5, Interesting)
If anything, I suspect that the Nigerian scammers are, on the whole, smart, motivated and fairly unprincipled, guys working in a tough competitive market. I have no love for scammers, and I'd be delighted to have them all hunted down; but underestimating the capabilities needed for crime, particularly fraud based crime, is just silly.
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And the difference between those people and Goldman's employees is?
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a backwater that escapes the label "dystopian" only through lack of technological development
And this is different from the federal government how?
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just a fact (Score:2)
skin color?
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If anything, I suspect that the Nigerian scammers are, on the whole, smart, motivated and fairly unprincipled, guys working in a tough competitive market.
Why "unprincipled"? I mean, Robin Hood was principled... Maybe you just mean that they don't value your values.
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Are you implying guys in GS are any good?
I do not know GS particularly, but the idea is the same: few get money (bosses), no real money is involved ("dyed money"/"futures") and the customer are lied.
Re:Well, obviously... (Score:5, Funny)
Damn straight. Nobody scams better.
USA! USA!
Damn.
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They're pretty much the only major financial institution to make it through this crisis without falling for the scams and without needing government money.
Thats cos THEY were the ones running scams, GS almost single handedly crushed Polish currency at the beginning of this year.
Misudnerstanding (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Well, obviously... (Score:5, Insightful)
Meme or not, you and everyone in the Western world needs to get used to the idea that a very small number of Golden Boys on Wall Street, in cahoots with a somewhat larger number of politicians, managed to STEAL billions of dollars from small investors and taxpayers.
There has been little secrecy regarding deregulation of the securities and exchanges over the last 16 to 20 years. The democrats played ball with Wall Street when Clinton was in, then Bush came along and got serious about deregulation. Wall Street knew all along that they were selling worthless paper to fools who were happy to buy that worthless paper on credit. The emperor had no clothes, but no one wanted to recognize that fact.
Look at the events that brought down Wall Street in 1929, then look again at our recent crisis. Really look at them, then come back to explain any substantial differences.
If, and I emphasize IF, we really have reached the bottom, and we are on our way up again, then we have been far more lucky than we deserve. There were blatantly obvious signs of how much trouble we were in, as far back as the Enron scandal. A decent economist with a real education should have seen what was happening as much as 5 years before the Enron scandal broke.
Fools and crooks. To hold Goldman Sachs out as being better than the rest of Wall Street is to admit that they were fools, if lesser fools than their buddies sitting in offices all around them.
Don't be sick or the "meme". Instead, get sick of, and get outraged at our economics "experts" who dug the hole that we are in today. The meme is here, and it will be around for quite awhile. The only question is, are we going to learn from it, or will we do this again in 20 to 50 years?
Go on, call a spade a spade. Bigtime thieves and fools put the screws to all us little fools. And we are still damned fools, for allowing the bastards to have their bonuses. Plain English defines a bonus as something earned for superior performance. There is no one on Wall Street who has earned a bonus in recent history.
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Enron made several things obvious.
1. Lack of integrity among business executives
2. Lack of responsibility among the accountants
3. An overlap of authority, with executives ordering and/or intimidating accountants
4. Lack of oversight by government through it's regulatory agencies
5. Obvious burning greed among executives - even AFTER Enron burned to the ground, executives expected to get their "performance" bonuses.
6. A legal system that managed to find cretins low enough to represent said executives in their
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They're pretty much the only major financial institution to make it through this crisis without falling for the scams and without needing government money. In fact, they were forced to take it by the government so that people wouldn't single out companies receiving bailout money as being failures
There is an-oth-eerrrrrrr.
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Why not? It only sums up to a billion dollars. Compare that to the trillions of dollars various financial institutions managed to lose in the latest example of the awesomeness of free market.
I would have suspected the opposite (Score:5, Insightful)
I would have suspected that Americans might have fallen prey more easily. Hard times can lead to more desperate measures.
Or maybe people are turning off their Internet service...
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I don't think the number of victims has decreased, just the payouts.
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do some google searches and see what simple shit questions the typical American can't answer. It's shocking. FYI...I'm an American.
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it's amazing how dumb you can make someone look when you write questions with the idea of seeing how dumb you can make them look. (Some dumb British comedian even made a movie about it a few years back.)
Most of the questions you'll see asked are simply irrelevant to an American's life. And as such, if you ask them right off the head, they often as not won't have an answer. This is not a sign of poor thinking -- it's a sign of INTELLIGENCE.
Want to really test American IQ? (Or, hell, anyone's IQ, for that
I can stop this! (Score:5, Funny)
If you have lost monies in Nigeria, for the low donation of $2500, I can reclaim ALL lost assets.
Please contact me immediately at Judge.Mufune@yahooze.ng
Re:I can stop this! (Score:5, Funny)
Hello I am a Nigerian judge Mumbasa Mfune III.
I am collecting funds to create a task force to reclaim lost monies in Nigeria.
If you have lost monies in Nigeria, for the low donation of $2500, I can reclaim ALL lost assets.
Please contact me immediately at Judge.Mufune@yahooze.ng
Dear honorable Mumbasa Mfune III,
Please relay your GPS coordinates so that I can send you a package from orbit..Err I mean airdrop the cash.
Kind regards,
TGR2
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Re:I can stop this! (Score:4, Informative)
For those who can't be bothered looking it up, that's the M$ headquarters' co-ords.
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S'funny: Windows for Satellites won't let me enter those coords, and Clippy keeps asking if I'm trying to enter a support call.
Re:I can stop this! (Score:4, Funny)
Your honor,
Could you please reclaim monies lost by Madoff?
Awaiting your reply,
John Doe
That's funny. (Score:2)
Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:3, Insightful)
How did this interview take place? Why did the interviewer not do the world a favor and kill the guys on the spot, or at least identify him to authorities that will shut them down?
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Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:5, Insightful)
1) The correspondant writes for the WASHINGTON post, and SHE lives in SOUTH AFRICA. Where does it say anything about New York?
2) I think you seriously overestimate what a print journalist makes.
3) I think you seriously underestimate the conditions the Nigerian scammers (and the middle/upper class in their country) live in
Did you evern RTFA at all before you spouted your drivel!?
"young men with fancy cars, designer clothing and beautiful girlfriends -- scammers all"
"In good months, he said, he has made $30,000, which he blew on clothes, hotel rooms and Dom Perignon at "VVIP" clubs. These days, he lamented, proceeds are down 40 percent."
Yeah. Cry me a river. Poor starving Nigerian scammer, who I'm sure makes more in 3 months than the journalist made in a year. I bet it was LUKEWARM Dom Perignon, though! The agony!
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Ok, so a bad month is, what, $20k? So $240,000 a year? And down 40% of that is still $136,000 a year?
In NIGERIA?
Dude probably owns a village or two by now.
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I bet it was LUKEWARM Dom Perignon, though!
Uh... is lukewarm Dom Perignon for some reason cheaper than cold?
I'd assume lukewarm dom would be just as expensive, but then again, I would have assumed that no one would actually buy booze for over a hundred dollars a bottle, regardless of how much money they scammed online.
Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:5, Interesting)
Journalists, ideally, are a society's way of getting and broadly disseminating certain types of information. In this case, the value of the public knowing more about Nigerian scammers is easily higher than the value of one scammer possibly getting a slap on the wrist, or even a bullet in the face. There are all sorts of situations where doing the proximate "right thing" will mean losing the broader advantage: taking down the little fish and missing out on the expose of the little fish's boss.
This is especially true in situations where the journalist is operating against the currents of official interest/motivation. If the feds, either here or in Nigera, really cared(about anything other than the highest profile and most exceptional or publicly emotive cases) they'd find it trivial to hunt down large numbers of these guys. Just get a whole bunch of spamtrap accounts, scattered randomly across common webmail services, ISP email offerings, and the like. When the inevitable submissions come, act like marks until you have enough info to track the guys down. In general, interest is limited. Thus, raising interest/awareness in the issue, and possibly helping people protect themselves more effectively, is a lot more valuable than just identifying some minor player who could have been identified already if anybody cared. (In the context of internal political reporting, the situation is similar. Corruption at the low levels is generally a symptom of much more serious high level corruption, and exists because the powers that be don't care. Raising the issue of a single corrupt cop or DMV chair warmer, or whatever, is nice; but is like trying to empty a lake with a shovel. You really want journalists to go for the core of the problem.)
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Namely, their employer's opinions.
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Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:5, Insightful)
The FBI et. all don't actively pursue Nigerian scammers for the simple reason that they cannot pursue Nigerian scammers. It has nothing to do with "taking down the boss". If those Nigerians lived in the US they would be in jail. Period.
First, the US cannot go after Nigerian scammers because they live in frickin Nigeria, the US has no authority there and at best can only exert a moderate amount of pressure to encourage Nigerian officials to pursue the scammers.
Second, every US citizen has the right to be a dumbass. There was a story here on /. a few months ago of a woman who sent around $450k to a Nigerian scammer. She blew her husband's retirement on it even. The entire community knew it was happening, and tried to stop her, told her she was being scammed, hell the sheriff even asked her to stop, but there was nothing they could legally do to stop her from pissing her money away. She was convinced each time that she was just "one more payment" away from getting those millions of dollars. Where the hell her husband was this whole time I have no idea, but if someone wants to be a dumbass nobody has a right to stop you unless you are doing something illegal.
Getting scammed is not illegal.
Nigerian officials obviously aren't going to do more than a token attempt to go after these guys to improve US relations, because they boost the Nigerian economy. Think about it, they are getting US money by exporting idiocy. And Americans buy it in droves, unfortunately.
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However, my point is that the scammer had someone in the US m
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If that stuff was sent to you via the U.S. Postal Service you should contact the local Postal Inspector. They're actual federal law enforcement officers, just like the FBI and Secret Service, and they love to catch people using the mail to break the law, any law.
Just who are the "marks" of the Nigerian scam? (Score:2)
I can kinda see being taken by some scam artist where there is some face-to-face contact. The way the "pidgeon drop" works is that the con artists drop some envelope full of money behind you, the con calls your attention to it "is this your money you dropped. Part of how this work is that an accomplice walks by posing as a "disinterested third party" to build up the crucial
Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:4, Informative)
So he would live and be able to write about it?
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Yeah, like that would solve all the problems.
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you might be interested in my comedy novelet, where this slashdot guy, call him whoseisname, just hates nigerian scammers and performs a social engineering experiment. He responds to several of their spam scams, gets their instructions and strings them along getting them to believe large sums of money are coming their way. But slashdot guy starts sending them responses leading them to believe one scammer group has interfered with and intercepted the funds meant for another. Thus he gets the Nigerian scam
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"How did this interview take place? Why did the interviewer not do the world a favor and kill the guys on the spot, or at least identify him to authorities that will shut them down?"
Case study: It's ignorance of this level that makes Americans the easiest scam targets.
Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:5, Insightful)
Great idea, it would certainly encourage all other "bad guys" to accept interviews with the medias...
Reporters do not shoot their informant, that is the way it works...
You could just as well ask clinton why did he not just shoot the "dear leader" in N Korea when he met him....
(ok so he'd die, the US Hostage also, but no price is too high ? oups of course there would be that little issue with being a suicide something getting a bad press recently..)
Re:Why didn't the interviewer kill the guys? (Score:5, Funny)
He probably thinks of himself as a neutral party just reporting the news.
"With enemies you know where they stand but with neutrals? Who knows! It sickens me." ... Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?"
"What makes a man turn neutral
The Sting (Score:3, Interesting)
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OMG.
Thanks for the link.
Monty Python's "Dead Parrot Sketch" performed by Nigerian Email Scammers. Truly priceless. Almost worth the price they were promised.
The link. Make sure you follow the story all the way to AT LEAST the video on page 3.
http://www.419eater.com/html/bigman.htm [419eater.com]
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Re: your sig
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You are so cruel to toy with my hopes in that way.
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Does that include AI software?
Fools and their money.... (Score:2)
Re:Fools and their money.... (Score:4, Insightful)
Oh, no. They're not running low on fools. The fools are running low on money.
Tough indeed... (Score:5, Funny)
There must be some kind of famine or something in Nigeria, I've received about 15 emails in the last 3 months, all from people telling me their father/brother/uncle/etc. had "caught death". Terrible!
And to make matters worse, they can't get the money that's rightfully theirs from the banks! Honestly, something should really be done about this.
I would like to help. (Score:2)
Who should I make the check out to?
You can make it out to me! :) (Score:4, Funny)
Who should I make the check out to?
My name is 'Shakrai' but my good friends call me 'Cash' :)
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Yea sure send them H1N1 in a vial...
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I tell you, of all the things you can catch, that's one of the deadliest. Darn Nigerian mosquitoes.
An Inconvenient Truth (Score:2)
A bit remembers me the amount of people buying what is offered by spam, and making it still a profitable activity, but this one goes some levels deep into the ill
Always a scammer to top them all... (Score:5, Insightful)
Anyone else see the poetic justice in some back-jungle Shaman fleecing these guys out of their hard-swindled cash?
$300 for mojo powder...probably ashes from the fire he burns his extra cash in...Turtles on a string. I love it.
This is the place for (Score:2, Informative)
Hours of hilarious reading, pics and audio- these guys get very creative. Freight baits ROCK!!
http://www.thescambaiter.com/
And don't forget... (Score:2)
...419 Eater [419eater.com]. My favorite is the Harry Potter handwriting scambait [419eater.com] (search in the page for "after the call").
419 is just a game... (Score:2, Insightful)
How can you have sympathy for anyone who falls for this crap? In Nigeria 419 is viewed as a game. Anyone who plays (poor innocent Americans) is just greedy themselves. How dumb do you have to be to think that you can get something for nothing ? I hate the fact the Nigeria is given a bad rep for this, but Americans are xenophobic to anything especially from that country "Africa". Just wait until American realize Nigeria has a large Muslim population.....
6 years ago (Score:5, Interesting)
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Are you arming bears while you bear arms?
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Scammers getting scammed (Score:5, Funny)
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Blame Nintendo and Rare software. (Score:4, Funny)
Yahoozee (Score:2)
Yeah, that's how all the kids decide which songs are hot nowadays.
Secretary's of state need to be more careful, lest we have another summer like that time Warren Christopher danced to I Saw the Sign by Ace of Base.
The scammers are still around (Score:2, Interesting)
419 Scam Baiting (Score:3, Interesting)
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That would be me. I always mod trolls up.
I cruise at -1. Those that don't would never see the humor in some of this stuff if people didn't mod them up. Personally, I find some the humor absolutely hilarious but too many people will reach for the troll mod before the funny mod.
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It is actually mildly amusing. I was just annoyed because I haven't seen a single mod point in almost a year and yet someone mods up nigger jokes is apparently getting them. Maybe that's what I should have been doing more of back when I was getting them :)