Microsoft Surface To Coordinate SuperBowl Security 218
suraj.sun writes to tell us that in preparation for nearly a quarter of a million people descending on Tampa for the Super Bowl, the Tampa authorities are deploying new tech for security communications and response. All of the incidents and communications will be plotted and tracked on a new implementation of Microsoft's Surface. Hopefully it wont have to reboot after every new incident report. "The Microsoft Surface device will display a Microsoft Virtual Earth map of the entire region tracking events, incidents, resources and tasks in real-time using its unique large display, multi-user, multi-touch and interactive capabilities, also allowing it to communicate with remote devices and PCs. With a quick hand-gesture, the map can zoom in and display a 3D image of the city, including detailed views of buildings and streets and real time resource tracking."
Oh no (Score:5, Insightful)
inb4 lame blue screen of death jokes
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Failure in security.dll. Abort, retry or ignore?
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inb4 lame blue screen of death jokes
Aw, dude, why'd you have to go stealing my one-trick-pony thunder like that? It's all I've got ...
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A problem has been detected and the Super Bowl has been shut down to protect your audience.
The problem seems to be caused by the following module: WARDROBE.DLL
PAGE_FAULT_IN_NIPPLE_AREA
If this is the first time you have seen this error screen, restart the show.
If this screen appears again, follow these instructions:
Check to make sure this is not a dress rehearsal. If so, give the producers hell and consider firing the artists.
If problems continue, you may be fined by the FCC.
Technical information:
*** STOP: 0x0000B00B
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Nice!
I was going to make some lame comment about how Tampa is finally getting tech like Miami (CSI TV show) and rant about the costs/effectiveness in a non-obvious way. It takes real imagination to come up with a stop error ****0x0000B00B
My hats off to you.
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Both of them of course. Do you wear more?
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That was funny enough that I'm going to stop reading right now, because the thread can't improve. I've certainly done MY part to ensure that.
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Alternative choices:
*** STOP: 0x00007175
*** STOP: 0x0B00B1E5
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What it means is that the head of security for SB gets a really cool visual toy that serves absolutely no purpose other than to strike said official's ego.
Of course there is the upside that someone gets to sell a toy to a private company...
Which I highly approve of...
Even if it is MS that gets the sale, just that someone got to sell a toy for hyper-inflated prices.
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I used to get them with win2k on occasion. After the move to XP, we only had a couple of bsods, and those were very early on, both caused by driver issues.
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Or C) bought cheap memory.
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Or C) bought cheap memory.
I've seen too many Windows machines that were unstable due to "cheap memory" that had no problems running Linux to actually believe that explanation. I mean, I know Linux is great but I don't expect it to improve the quality of the hardware.
For that matter, I've also seen machines with verifiable memory errors (per Memtest86+) that had no problems running Windows and could handle everything except GCC compiles in Linux (the compiles failed with "internal compiler error" every time, which is consistent w
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Currently using XP SP2 on a Lenovo T61. When I set plug an extra monitor in, the machine goes to dual screen just fine. When I try to go back to one screen, BSoD with a fault in win32k.sys (or something like that). I find it hard to believe that going from two monitors down to one qualifies as trying to mess up my system or pushing it too hard.
Can't go to SP3 due to software, can't use Linux due to work.
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I've seen a few that were also caused by a program writing to a place in memory where it shouldn't have had access. I should know; I ran into a bug in Visual Studio 6 that caused one of my programs to wander off into system memory and crash the system it was running on while I was still in college.
It worked fine in Solaris, but using VS on Windows, it started crashing random programs, and then, eventually, the operating system. It was kind of neat. heh
If I remember correctly, it was some strange scoping p
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I've seen a few that were also caused by a program writing to a place in memory where it shouldn't have had access. I should know; I ran into a bug in Visual Studio 6 that caused one of my programs to wander off into system memory and crash the system it was running on while I was still in college.
Ah, the wonders of Win9x free-for-all "memory model"... gladly that died out with 2K/XP.
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Indeed. Though, I have to say that the look my friend and I gave each other while it was happening was priceless. heh
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The last time I remember getting a BSOD was on NT4.0. An electrician had shorted out a power line with a network cable and it fried the machine.
Last time for me was on XP using a fairly new (at the time) Linksys ethernet card.
These stability jokes really only attest to the author's cluelessness.
Sorry, but Windows still bluescreens (often unnoticed due to the "reboot automatically" feature). If there's any cluelessness involved here, it's that your personal experiences don't correspond to those of others, or that you've not had to read through the newer KB articles written describing such problems.
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Ahem, the last time I saw a BSOD on XP SP3 was, drumroll please, last night ;-)
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Agreed. It's 2009. The last time I remember getting a BSOD was on NT4.0. An electrician had shorted out a power line with a network cable and it fried the machine. These stability jokes really only attest to the author's cluelessness.
It's 2009. The last time I remember seeing a Windows machine with a remotely-exploitable security problem was on NT4.0. A hacker had smashed the window of the building, brushed away the broken glass, climbed in, and since this gave him physical access he had a very easy time owning the machine. You just can't protect a PC against an attacker with physical access, you know. Jokes to the contrary really only attest to the joker's cluelessness and ignorance about security.
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What the hell sort of crasy ass electricians do you have around that they managed to short a live ethernet cable with a live power line? I would be firing the electrician, his coworkers and the the next 2 levels of supervisors and management above him just so I could make sure that there was no way in hell any of his stupidity could remain in the company.
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Uhm, no. Saying it detects "motion" is even less accurate than "touch". Proximity within a few inches is good enough for many demos, and a few limited applications... like the over-hyped kiosk advertising they are actually pursuing at the moment.
Large touch interfaces are a completely different beast than Apple's. Microsoft is a long way from a useful peripheral, but comparing it with an iPhone is laughable.
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Man, when the Hell am I gonna get a LCARS-style Wall Panel for my house?
Mess around with some Majel Roddenberry sound clips in Audacity and get a custom Linux OS running on it and I'm golden!
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My God, you know the Apply fanboys are out in force when they've resorted to ripping on a TABLE by comparing it to a handheld device. They have completely different target users, not to mention completely different uses. Are you somehow proposing that the security team should have used an Iphone instead of the Surface to coordinate their efforts? I'm not saying the Surface is the best choice, but even bringing up the Iphone is a joke.
Also, a quick check of Wikipedia shows that the Surface hasn't even bee
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You mean _Fingerwork's_ tech, which Apple bought, locking out fairly cool tech to their shitty few percent of the market. I'm typing this on a Touchstream LP - which works as a generic HID keyboard/mouse input device with all kinds of delicious gesture recognition. Its a great cross-platform piece of technology, which Apple has now ruined by sitting on a bunch of patents so they can sell more fkn iPhones.
Now yes, everyone else doing multitouch, like MS and the Lemur guys have to use a substandard implementation.
Fuckers.
There was an error in security.exe (Score:4, Funny)
please reboot your computer
submit error report to Microsoft
[yes][no][whats the point]
New definition of BSOD? (Score:2)
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When I saw "surface" in the title I was thinking of the playing field.
"Blue Sod Of Defeat?
let's reboot this joke (Score:5, Insightful)
"Hopefully we won't have to reboot after every new incident report."
Can we please retire that joke? I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware) and that joke is really getting tired and unfunny.
Though I don't think MS writes very good software, I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.
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I agree completely, I mean I haven't had a crash or rebo
Re:let's reboot this joke (Score:5, Funny)
More like, "Windows has detected a new audience member. You must reboot in order for this change to take effect."
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Just wait until it's anti virus program starts flagging audience members with the sniffles as viruses and put warning incidents out there or tries to remove them.
Re:let's reboot this joke (Score:5, Funny)
Can we please retire that joke?
Sorry, no. It's an old one but a good one.
I we're past the days of needing to reboot to change your IP address.
But we're not past the days when you need to reboot Windows for a lot of things you can do in Linux without rebooting.
Some jokes are nearly immortal, because they're just funny. One of my favorites outdates automobiles.
A braggart is in a bar, and claims he can make a horse laugh. Everyone chortles derisively, and eventually he's bet everyone in the bar a dollar that he can do it.
So he goes outside and whispers in the horse's ear, and amazingly the horse laughs its ass off. His fellow patrons are amazed and pay up, and he exclaims that he can make a horse cry!
Of course the bet is on again, so the fellow walks out and nobody can see exactly what he does, but the horse starts bawling like a baby with dirty diapers, crying its eyes out. He comes back in and collects his money.
"So, fella, how'd you make that horse laugh?" the bartender asks.
"Easy. I told him my dick was bigger than his."
"How'd you make him cry?"
"I showed him."
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Considering that almost every time I run YUM there's a new kernel update I'm not sure that this is entirely accurate. While I do think there are things that Windows is ridiculous for wanting me to reboot for, Linux is getting worse faster than it's getting better. When I was running Ubuntu it seemed like every update wanted to restart.
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Still, it doesn't nag you with "please reboot now or else" screens every 15 minutes, it just lets you continue your work and reboot when you're finished. You can also just kill the notification process if the kernel update won't affect you (e.g. minor exploit in a feature or fixes for drivers you don't use).
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Basically it's a fancy way of getting around the BIOS POST and all that. No small feat in and of itself, but hardly what you're contemplating.
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But we're not past the days when you need to reboot Windows for a lot of things you can do in Linux without rebooting.
I agree, but that doesn't make the joke funny again. I'd also point out that reboot prompts happen freqently in OS X, and in distros of linux for things like dbus upgrades, even though the tech savvy user usually knows which initscript to restart.
Some jokes are nearly immortal, because they're just funny. One of my favorites outdates automobiles.
The problem with that analogy is, while I've heard the joke before, I'm not forced to hear it 3 times a week.
A sterotypical example of a joke going bad is the RickRoll [youtube.com]. You hated being a victim, but for a week or two it was kind of cool that everyone standardi
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Static IPs required a reboot to change. I'm pretty sure that's what's being talked about.
(I still have to reboot to change my workgroup, even in Vista.)
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...Click OK to exit the Network settings.
You will be prompted to reboot your system.
That last line is the most important
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So, that's... I'm not sure. What's the current half-life of an unpatched, out-of-the-box XP install before some worm or other gets in? Six minutes or something, wasn't it? It definitely got bad enough at one point that it simply wasn't possible to download and install the necessary updates in time to be safe.
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Less. Seriously.
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Still as valid as ever (Score:2)
Can we please retire that joke? I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware) and that joke is really getting tired and unfunny.
Well I have used Windows off and on, recently (and unfortunatley). The joke is a good one because it's as true as ever.
I give you two anecdotes, both with a new Vista laptop.
In the first case, the system would not read a USB stick. In an effort to debug why, I simply tried to run Control Panel to look at
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Hardware issue, likely.
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Hardware issue, likely.
I've never had another OS where the tools you are supposed to use to diagnose hardware ailments fail because of hardware ailments.
Neither of these are Windows-specific in any way.
Typical Vista supporter, blame the victim for a default behavior that sucks and interrupted the instructor for a paid seminar whose students all had to sit around and wait for Vista - and there's simply no excuse for not having an obvious way to dismiss it when it did come up, no matter how anyone had it set.
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I'll grant the USB stick, but I've never seen a Mac or a Linux box forcibly install software and then reboot. That's just shoddy programming. Hell, you can run apt-get upgrade on a Debian box without anyone even noticing.
The point is that it's a SETTING, and her computer's behavior was not the default setting for Vista. You can also set really retarded settings in OS X or Linux, having a retarded setting is not OS-specific.
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her computer's behavior was not the default setting for Vista
Ummm... last I heard, default for Windows post-XP-SP2 is "Auto download, auto install". Now, I set it to "Notify only", but I'm pretty sure Vista is "Auto download, auto install" too, by default. Good for security, bad for usability.
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As I remember it, that blissful idyll lasted about six hours, until the 0day universal PnP vulnerability [microsoft.com] surfaced.
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"when free of malware" - oh the irony
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I haven't used Windows in a long time so I'm not sure if it's still true, but XP wasn't terrible (when free of malware)
That is exactly what I want to hear about a product for sale...
It wasn't terrible, except the times it was.
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Nope, the joke stays :-) You still have to reboot when you upgrade your f*ing web browser. Or other blatantly non-core shit like that.
Why stop there? (Score:2)
The stained glass Window and the Borg icon could be trashed as well.
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Fixed that for you.
Honestly, the people who find that icon funny are the ones who spell MS with a dollar sign.
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If they'd chosen Linux instead they wouldn't have drivers for the touchscreen. On to of that audio would drop out randomly and GPU accellerated video wouldn't work with their ATI graphics card.
(posted from my mythbuntu machine...)
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I love it! Everybody else cracking MS jokes gets modded funny or Insightful, but not you... no you're modded troll.
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I find it usually can deal. If you hit 'later' and restard the suspicious looking services, then it works fine. Same with most installers - telling them to bugger off with the reboot usually has no ill effect.
I'm guessing because the reboot takes bugger all time, and its really not possible to know what 3rd party crap depends on stuff thats been changed the only option is to reboot if you want to guarantee that all the dependants are going to deal with changes...
What could possibly go wrong? (Score:2)
How does it work in event of failure? (Score:2, Interesting)
Does it interpret a system crash as an attack on central command and launch the missiles?
Seriously though, this seems as useless as that magic screen thingie they're always playing with on CNN. Sure, it looks pretty, but using brand new technology like this, with its inherent glitches, in a system that you need to be constantly up and highly responsive is not a wise thing to do.
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You beat me to it. I despise that "magic screen" and get the feeling that they are pandering and condescending at the same time. Like we should be so amazed by their wizardly skills. How exactly does it add value to their news product? If they want to show tech for its own inherent value, maybe they should just play some Demoscene or something.
A good application (Score:5, Insightful)
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Exactly! The future is here... and it's a big-ass table [youtube.com].
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...it often felt like it was a cool technology in search of real use cases.
That's the general idea that came to my mind. "Oh look, Microsoft finally found a problem to go with their answer." But is it really a good fit?
CNN was showing some pictures from the Obama inauguration that day. They had some reporter standing in front of a huge touch screen doing all these gestures to pull up, enlarge, then stack photos. Then as if to really force the point, he did a "crumple in to a ball" effect one one image. I found myself thinking that this all was some kind of dog-and-pony show to highlight either CNN's vendor or their commitment to out-flashing FOX News. Nothing about it helped me get a feel for the story being reported on.
And I'm kind of wondering if that's where we'll get with this sort of situation too. Lots of flash. Some feeling of importance and being equipped. But not actually better prepared to handle the task at hand.
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What problem was that, "compute the trajectory of an office chair propelled at 2 m/s out of an office window"?
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I agree with the other reply poster. I'm not sure how this is really any leap past the more traditional projection with a large screen and more common pointing devices. It's sure out of reach for people with mobility issues to stand up and wave their arms around, and leaning over a table obviously only lets a few people look down.
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Pro Table: A visual representation IS useful, don't get rid of the text dump, but having a security guard that can see where all their personnel are located at a glance is VERY useful. Humans can also monitor swarms and patters visually much faster and more reliably than any IA can.
Con Table: The table idea itself is very sound (as long as they don't replace anything with it). My problem is the actual use of the table! They should be u
A whole new meaning to (Score:2)
Security vulnerability... ba bum bump..
Seriously, I can't wait for the real security malfunctions with this. The jokes will be real groaners on the surface, but I'm sure each incident report-ed will be funny enough to make a penguin laugh!
Aliens (Score:2, Funny)
Hmm. I wonder... (Score:5, Funny)
Security theater (Score:2)
Now that's security theater. Elaborate "incident management" systems tend to be overkill. This sounds like something Microsoft dreamed up, not something a big-city fire chief or a SWAT team commander would ask for.
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Sounds like something Microsoft dreamed up because they have no real good uses for Surface and the Super Bowl gets lots of press. They are probably "donating" a ton of money and/or equipment to use Surface.
Serious Question (Score:5, Insightful)
Forgive me for interrupting with a serious question, but what benefit does Surface offer in securing the Super Bowl?
Having this expensive multi-touch table will help, how?
This sounds like some rich NFL exec wanting to show off a shiny toy for the gimmick factor, and Microsoft wanting publicity.
However, I really fail to see any practical use of Surface here.
Re:Serious Question (Score:5, Insightful)
I think it would be useful to have a large-screen display which is easily manipulable -- "war room" style. (They can always have another projection of it for those who need read-only access.) It's a bit easier to collaborate when you can see in meatspace where others are pointing, or going to point, rather than having dueling light pens / mice.
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Big displays have existed for a long time. Multiple pointers in a GUI have existed for a long time.
I'm sitting at a table, and I can only manipulate what I can physically reach. You've got 50 chefs in the pot.
This is an improvement over several people sitting at their own computers with a mouse, able to interact with the whole map, or if they only have permission to give orders for a small portion, then why not have that portion as their terminal, with the big display in the room for overall supervision.
I
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"If we flank the crowd here, they can't riot here"
"Yes, but they can still cut off our supply line if they turn over enough cars behind us here"
"Then we deploy Brown-note and Microwave-pain ordinance in a crossfire on that spot"
"Brilliant!"
The answer is searching for a question... (Score:2)
If it rains, you can take shelter under it??? :-)
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I wouldn't mind a big-ass table with a big-ass map on it. Typical war-room table. Then I guess instead of having little figurines I move around with shuffle board sticks, having them as icons would be better.
Then I guess being able to interact with it would be useful - and I suppose a mouse would do, it would be easier to just touch the damn thing.
I probably would be interested in zooming the map, getting further information on resources on the map, etc, etc
Kinda narrowing down the avaliable products that d
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Having a map update with real time data requires Surface? Since when?
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I'm not offended. I just don't see how Surface helps or is relevant.
I'm not a huge Microsoft hater, though I acknowledge they've used illegal tactics. I administer Microsoft systems for a living, and I use some of their products at home still.
What's with the video?! (Score:2)
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I get that having multiple people centered around a large viewscreen able to comment on the data can be extremely useful.
However, not only do I fail to see how Surface improves upon multiple people viewing the same data on individual screens while talking together (WebEx session anyone?), but I'm concerned with practical limitations of a table.
I see something four feet away from me on the table, but I can't interact with it because I can't physically touch it.
A touch table is specifically useful in casinos
With a quick hand-gesture? (Score:2)
Am I the only one thinking 'Minority Report' here?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0181689/ [imdb.com]
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Not surprising. (Score:4, Interesting)
A lot of development into touch/multitouch interfaces has been funded by the US military.
Sand/toxins can get into a keyboard or mouse and be very very difficult to clean out, but a MS Surface type display/input can just be wiped with a damp cloth, sterilized, etc. if you use a low enough power CPU/GPU you could seal the processing components away from hazards as well.
I doubt the security systems will be public facing, as that would be a security risk... so this probably isn't funded as a promotion by MS, the security folks may actually like it.
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Negative (Score:2)
I know lets all hate on the giant table. But its minority report irl thats awesome, sure its probably pointless but its cool. I dream a day when all my furniture is computers.... Really that wouldnt be that cool but the table computer is somewhat feasible. I figure anything commonly used in movies and tv shows is worth a shot.
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I dream a day when all my furniture is computers....
Well, good news then. Ballmer has a prototype big-ass chair to go with the big-ass table.
A different perspective (Score:2)
surface (Score:4, Funny)
One day, your security arrangements will be a bigass table [youtube.com].
Only in America... (Score:2)
... does a company use something as serious as protecting large amounts of people from danger as free publicity for some "innovative" new product.
What ever happened to just saying "Sure, we'll help protect American lives!" Now it's "Sure, we'll help protect American lives with our SLEEK, INNOVATIVE NEW TOUCH SCREEN COMPUTER, the Microsoft Surface(tm), revolutionizing how you use your computer!".
Where's the Computer Security Version? (Score:2)
I'm very much an advocate for touch screen management of sitautions. I'd love to have the Computer Security equivalent to
A threat ... (Score:3, Funny)
...was detected just outside the west entrance. Using 'Surface' we simply tapped on it and dragged it to the trash can icon. Mission accomplished.
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Apple was far from the first company to implement multi-touch, it's just the first people think of. Multi-touch, and its patents, go back for quite a long time.
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In fairness, Apple is the first one that provided multi-touch en-masse to a large install base though.
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Who needs directions? It's literally right down the street from RayJay. :P