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Spammer Alan Ralsky Indicted 206

Several users have written to tell us that notorious spammer Alan Ralsky has been indicted along with ten others on 41 counts of spam-related illegal activity. Ralsky has had trouble with the law in the past, and the current litany of charges includes mail and wire fraud, money laundering, conspiracy, and violation of federal spamming laws. From the Detroit Free Press: "The 41-count indictment said Ralsky ... and others used unsolicited e-mail to pump up the price of largely worthless stock in Chinese companies and sold the stock reaping huge profits and leaving Internet subscribers who purchased it holding the bag. The operation also used illegal methods to maximize the amount of spam that could be sent while evading spam-blocking devices and tricked recipients into opening and acting on advertisements, prosecutors said."
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Spammer Alan Ralsky Indicted

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  • Really so bad? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by rudy_wayne ( 414635 )
    I hate spammers as much as anyone, but,

    "used unsolicited e-mail to pump up the price of largely worthless stock in Chinese companies and sold the stock reaping huge profits and leaving Internet subscribers who purchased it holding the bag"

    almost seems like a public service. If you are stupid enough to buy stock in a company, especially a foreign company, based on unsolicited e-mail you received, you deserve to get screwed.

    • Re:Really so bad? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by smittyoneeach ( 243267 ) * on Thursday January 03, 2008 @09:31PM (#21904596) Homepage Journal
      It's fairly easy to blame the victim, until it's someone you know.
      Admittedly, the cited scams seem fairly outlandish, but there are some quality hustlers out there.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by Zeinfeld ( 263942 )
        It's fairly easy to blame the victim, until it's someone you know. Admittedly, the cited scams seem fairly outlandish, but there are some quality hustlers out there.

        I have not read the indictment yet, but it might not be a pure confidence trick.

        What we have seen with a lot of recent pump and dump schemes is that the scammers send out some pump spam, then quickly buy some stock themselves, then they then they buy lots more stock from other people's stock broking accounts that they have bought phished cr

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

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          • Theft of what?
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              by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @11:19PM (#21905526)
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            • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

              by jacquesm ( 154384 )
              - theft of time
              - theft of energy
              - theft of other resources

              If it wouldn't be for spam I could probably run my email in the corner of some small machine, because of spam we've had to upgrade our server, just rejecting all those messages (thanks SpamHaus !!) takes up quite a bit of effort.

              For every spam message sent that makes it through all the filtering that effort goes up because at a minimum it takes several seconds to delete the spam.

              Multiply that by several hundreds of millions of spam messages sent ever
            • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

              by jmp ( 84073 )

              Ultimately, theft of trust.

              Networks rely on trust and goodwill in order to work. People who subvert the network's resources damage the network by stealing trust. If you haven't already, read this book [wikipedia.org].

            • Re:Really so bad? (Score:5, Informative)

              by Ciggy ( 692030 ) on Friday January 04, 2008 @07:08AM (#21907906)
              I have to pay for the connection to my ISP. My logged spam comes to a total of:

              566,357,862 bytes - from spam sent to my old email address and my replacement email address, plus an additional
              104,489,930 bytes - from the email address I abandoned as all it receives is spam, but I keep alive for anywhere that I don't trust and requires an email address; I emptied it last night of 9755 messages (received between 20/07/06 and 08/01/07 [9651] and 104 yesterday after I had emptied it) - I just let it fill and then bounce - and have just checked it now. Over the last 14 hours it has received 445 messages with a total of 1,494,616 bytes
              2,344,115 bytes - from 730 spam received this year (over the last 83 hours) at my current email address

              So at least 674,686,523 bytes, or 658,873K, or 643M (= 674M as per HD manufacturers) of spam has been received since my email address first got leaked. In consideration that my first PC came with a HD of 525M, the amount of spam I have received would have filled that and more!

              I've only recently converted to broadband; prior to that I was on 56K dial-up. So, assuming about 350,000,000 bytes of spam were received during that period, about 62500 seconds or 1041 minutes or 17 hours have been wasted, and I've had to pay for each and every second of that - that amounts to theft of quite a bit of money. Similarly, theft of my current bandwidth would come to quite a pretty penny as well, just a bit smaller.

              Before suggesting spam filters, I'd just like to point out a couple of facts:

              1) I do have spam filters in place - they divert 99.9999% spam accurately so I never see it in my Inbox
              2) They hide the problem, not solve it - spammers will try harder to get through, changing messages and sending more of them.

              My spam filters log results: eg last year, spam started off at about 1300 messages/month for Jan and Feb, increased to about 2000/month for most of the year, then about 3000 for Sep and Oct, then 5247 for Nov and 7267 for Dec. Obviously, spam filters were getting better somewhere and so the spammers tried another tact - change the style of the spam and increase it. However, I've also noticed that over the years spam seems to increase vaguely exponentionally, suggesting that my email address started off on one list, then after a while, ended up on another, following a kind of fibonnacci series for the number of lists on which it exists - even my "spam-trap" email address is still being traded and put on more lists by the look of it.

              There is also the theft of the Zombie PC owner's ISP connection bandwidth, not to mention the power required to execute the mailing; along with breach of the Computer Misuse Act 1990 (in the UK at least).

              And as others have mentioned - there's the theft of the time to deal with the incoming spam: the time spent dealing with spam (whether by hacking filters, or manually deleting them) which can never be recovered.
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        • Re:Really so bad? (Score:5, Insightful)

          by smittyoneeach ( 243267 ) * on Friday January 04, 2008 @09:00AM (#21908574) Homepage Journal
          I had a phishing scam email once that was so convincing I nearly clicked within it, thoughtlessly.
          Then I thought, no, I should log into the service's website directly, and see WTF.
          That was a close call.
          As for you, one hopes that your unbeaten streak is never tarnished. May you also never screw up while trying to pay a bill and get a blemish on your credit report, never get in a fender-bender due to exhaustion, and never have that critical piece of paper with the essential information scribbled on it slip from the wallet, at least while that good friend is around.
          And, should the good friend detect you having an encounter with mortality, may they handle it more graciously than you did theirs.
    • Re:Really so bad? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by gmack ( 197796 ) <<gmack> <at> <innerfire.net>> on Thursday January 03, 2008 @09:39PM (#21904662) Homepage Journal
      How about installing rootkit software to do this? the botnet machines weren't exactly his.

      Also Ralsky has done a lot more than just this. I cringe from the bad memories after he convinced a former employer of mine that spamming animal porn was a great way to make money.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by Anonymous Coward
        Also Ralsky has done a lot more than just this. I cringe from the bad memories after he convinced a former employer of mine that spamming animal porn was a great way to make money.

        Oh, but it is! It really is!
        • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

          by ezzthetic ( 976321 )
          Oh, but it is! It really is!

          That's rubbish. It might be a good way, but no way is it a great way.

      • by Nullav ( 1053766 )

        Also Ralsky has done a lot more than just this. I cringe from the bad memories after he convinced a former employer of mine that spamming animal porn was a great way to make money.
        At least it makes for an interesting resume. So, how do interviews go?
        • Re:Really so bad? (Score:5, Interesting)

          by gmack ( 197796 ) <<gmack> <at> <innerfire.net>> on Thursday January 03, 2008 @11:43PM (#21905702) Homepage Journal

          Surprisingly well actually. I list Leo Kuvayev's [spamhaus.org] former company "2K Services" as a credit card processing company (the job I was hired for). When they ask why I left I tell them he changed his business model to something I couldn't participate in and still have a conscience. If they ask for details I tell them everything and I reap the scored sympathy points for having the worst job experience imaginable.

          For the record I spent several weeks trying to change his mind then turned down a raise and left the company several months before his new business model forced a national carrier to change their policy on spam and cut his fibre optic connection which was exactly what I warned him they would do when I gave him my contractually required two weeks notice.

      • by syousef ( 465911 )
        He's scum and all but by making this person a former employee he actually did you a favour.
        • by gmack ( 197796 )
          EmployER and yeah I guess he did.. By doing that he forced me to make a direct moral choice.

          Although I don't think the resulting eye burning I got was really worth it.
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      It's hard to feel sorry for someone whose greed overruled all caution, but the person who scams others is still the true villain. Do not excuse fraud.
    • by SamP2 ( 1097897 )
      If you are stupid enough to walk in the alley at night, you deserve to be mugged or raped. The mugger or rapist is just doing public service by educating you about the dangers. Right?
      • Tho I don't particularly agree or disagree with you I would just like to point out that for that analogy to be complete, the attacker needs to offer some lure to the victim which plays on their greed.

        So it would looks something like:
        If you are stupid enough to follow a man offering you a million dollars in cash to an alley at night, you deserve to be mugged or raped.

        I also offer analogy correction for corporate customers.
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      by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:24PM (#21905054)
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    • No, they don't deserve to get screwed. many people don't understand that email is not a form of offical communication and that it's not trust worthy.

      furthur more everytime someone gets ripped off by a spammer it help finance more fucking spam in MY mailbox, so it's in everyones interest to put these bastards in a federal pound me in the ass prison.

      • No, they don't deserve to get screwed. many people don't understand that email is not a form of offical communication and that it's not trust worthy.

        But did anyone tell them that it was trustworthy? If so, did they investigate this claim before deciding to blindly believe it? If not, did they make a wise decision and do you normally get good results from making poor choices? The concept of "deserve" has nothing to do with it. Asking whether they deserve to get screwed over is like asking whether someo

        • That has got to be one of the stupidest things i've heard for a while.

          They are NOTHING like people speculating on the stockmarket because the spammers out right LIE and commit fraud to get them to buy the stock.

          what you are basicly trying to assert is that all the responsibility about stock sales is on the buyer which is just bullshit. the seller MUST disclose risks and other various details about the company and it's future, and they must do so honestly and accurately.

          they are vicimts of fraud, end of s

          • hat has got to be one of the stupidest things i've heard for a while.
            They are NOTHING like people speculating on the stockmarket because the spammers out right LIE and commit fraud to get them to buy the stock.

            what you are basicly trying to assert is that all the responsibility about stock sales is on the buyer which is just bullshit. the seller MUST disclose risks and other various details about the company and it's future, and they must do so honestly and accurately.

            When I said that buying from a s


    • If you are stupid enough to buy stock in a company, especially a foreign company, based on unsolicited e-mail you received, you deserve to get screwed.

      Maybe so, but that doesn't make a scam like this any less of a crime. Even stupid, greedy people have rights. I'm really tired of the attitude a lot of people seem to have on slashdot that anything "stupid" people do is deserving of no sympathy, no protection of the law, etc.

      What about the legitimate investors in this company? Do they deserve to have the s
      • by penix1 ( 722987 )

        Maybe so, but that doesn't make a scam like this any less of a crime. Even stupid, greedy people have rights. I'm really tired of the attitude a lot of people seem to have on slashdot that anything "stupid" people do is deserving of no sympathy, no protection of the law, etc.

        They do deserve protection of law, it's the sympathy part they don't get from me. It was their greed that got them into the scam to begin with. Nobody held a gun to their head and said, "Unless you give us your money, the two neurons ge

    • You forget something -- he still sent out spam! Though he got some gullible victims to buy the stock, you still have other victims of the spam and having to deal with the spam and the infected botnets.

    • by The Ultimate Fartkno ( 756456 ) on Friday January 04, 2008 @01:07AM (#21906278)
      > I hate spammers as much as anyone, but...

      Not as much as me, you don't. I want Ralsky imprisoned, beaten, chained, ass-raped on a daily basis, shivved, shanked, stabbed, tear-gassed, napalmed, face-raped, cock-punched and sodomized by the most massive, cruel, heartless, multiple-STD-carrying maniac convicts that a shitty B-grade prison movie could invent. For years that fat fuck has willingly and gleefully shit all over my inbox, my servers, and the net in general knowing all the while that not a single goddamned person on earth was interested in what he was selling unless they were certifiably ripe for scamming or being conned. I'll give a tiny amount of begrudging credit to someone who has the brass ones to take a pipe or a gun and rip off a convenience store. They're shit and they should die with a .44 slug in their brainpan, but at least they had the nerve to go out and confront the people they wanted to fuck over. Ralsky sat on his bloated, porcine ass behind the safe glow of his monitors and zillions of layers of firewalls and he stole from us for years. He stole our time, our resources, our bandwidth, our security, our privacy, and our feeling of idealistic hope for the future of the net.

      Seriously. Fuck that guy...

      (I'm posting late and drunk, so if you're somehow related to law enforcement, consider this my disclaimer of any wish to actually have any of that stuff up there come true. If you're a convict with rabies, herpes, and a rare form of airborne contagious cancer, I have a few bucks with your name on it if... well, you know. Stuff happens, donnit?)
    • I hate spammers as much as anyone, but,

      Anyone who has to start with that, really doesn't.

    • by p0tat03 ( 985078 )

      He scammed people. He stole a huge amount of money from innocent people. A guy rips off a convenience store, makes off with a few hundred bucks, and ends up in the slammer for 10 years. Does it make sense for a guy who stole millions to spend any less time in jail? Hell, if we crank up the punishment linearly by that logic, he should be spending the next 20 lifetimes in jail.

  • by SSpade ( 549608 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @09:29PM (#21904588) Homepage
    There are some more links, including to the DoJ docs and some history here [wordtothewise.com].
  • by Malevolent Tester ( 1201209 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @09:32PM (#21904606) Journal
    Thousands of hot inmates are waiting for you!
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Maybe he will get "spammed" in jail
    • by Viadd ( 173388 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:41PM (#21905206)
      Prison rape is a horrible thing, and references to PMITA prison and the like are in dreadful taste. You shouldn't joke about it unless you are willing to joke about, e.g. cancer.

      "Ironically, both spam and resulting sentence saved Ralsky's life, as his cellmate and former customer discovered a polyp, nine inches up."

      Unless you think that's funny, please treat treat this problem with the gravity it deserves.

      • Re:Dear Alan Ralsky (Score:4, Interesting)

        by Nullav ( 1053766 ) <mocNO@SPAMliamg.valluN> on Thursday January 03, 2008 @11:37PM (#21905638)
        "Why did the cancer cross the road?
        To metastasize."
        Since when does taste matter when telling jokes on an anonymous forum, far away from anyone who could be offended (maybe not very far, but how would you know)? Save that formality for the meatspace.
        People tend to distance themselves from the subject; it's not like people crowd around some poor soul being raped at knifepoint, nor would many of the people flinging around holocaust jokes bust a gut when shown a video about WW2 concentration camps.
      • Too bad most commenters, and apparently the mods, haven't read enough of your post to realize how incredibly funny it is.
  • Woohoo! (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Serenissima ( 1210562 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @09:47PM (#21904740)
    Thank God we caught that bastard! Now we don't have to worry about getting Spam anymore! Luckily for us, catching one spammer makes such a difference that we can all rest easy! It's not like there's a veritable army of Spammers waiting to pick up the slack once he's gone! It's a good thing this is headline news, it's really helping us make a difference!
    • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

      by ciscoguy01 ( 635963 )
      It's been said that nearly all the spam in the world is being sent by less than a couple hundred individuals or organizations.

      200 Known Spam Operations responsible for 80% of your spam.

      80% of spam received by Internet users in North America and Europe can be traced via aliases and addresses, redirects, hosting locations of sites and domains, to a hard-core group of around 200 known spam operations ("spam gangs"), almost all of whom are listed in the ROKSO database.
      http://www.spamhaus.org/rokso/index.lasso [spamhaus.org]

      The US government is pretty much worthless, they frittered for years with little good effect until this day.

      Maybe things are improving, somehow.

      • I say we get ahold of the list, start up a charity to hire 200 hits.

        vigilante justice FTW!

        I hate spam not in a can.
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        "200 Known Spam Operations responsible for 80% of your spam."

        And I'd say the bulk of it is from a much shorter list. Looking at one hour of spam recorded by Abuse Butler, the most common 100 domains advertised in spam were
        39 different domains for Elite Herbal/Express Herbal/Megadik/VPXL (allegedly spammed by Shane Atkinson) -- and this does not take into account multiple different spams for the same domain, a typical pattern with this spam brand
        15 domains that were duplicates of the same domains above,
    • I'd like a news update: are the Columbia House and those Mail Order catalog companies still sending truckload of junk-mail catalogues to his house? http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/12/06/1554227 [slashdot.org] (I have to admit this linked post had to have been the most rewarding news items I'd read in many years).

      I don't think its great to hear that another person is being locked behind bars. But Ralsky knew the law and continued to cost companies millions of dollars and many people to lose their hair, I'm sure, aft
  • It's about time! (Score:5, Interesting)

    by JustShootMe ( 122551 ) * <rmiller@duskglow.com> on Thursday January 03, 2008 @09:52PM (#21904782) Homepage Journal
    This guy has been a pox on the net for years! Anyone remember that time a long time ago where he was getting so flagrant about it people started signing him up for datalogs, he was getting tons of them in the mail, and had the nerve to get angry about it?

    This guy deserves everything he gets. Maybe he'll luck out and his cellmate will have responded to some of those penis pill spams.

    (I hate prison rape references as a matter of principle, but here's a guy that I really have a hard time mustering up *too* much sympathy for).
    • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Kilbasar ( 617992 ) *
      You sure give up your principles easily
      • Nah, look at how I phrased it.

        I'd still stop the rapist, but I'd probably wait long enough for Ralsky to sweat a bit.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by dr_d_19 ( 206418 )
      (I hate prison rape references as a matter of principle, but here's a guy that I really have a hard time mustering up *too* much sympathy for).

      So much for principle then. I'm sorry, this is very off topic, but it really disturbs me when people state their principles only to deviate from them a second later. You don't get the bragging right for politically correct principles if you intend to BREAK them. You get them when you stay on your principle no matter what.

      This is happening a lot lately with freedom of
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  • by RaigetheFury ( 1000827 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:03PM (#21904864)
    http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/education/001863.html [census.gov]

    That's the link for my statistics, just so you know I'm not pulling numbers wildly out of my ass.

    Fact is, most people in the US just aren't educated enough to recognize a scam. Look at the earning income and imagine their lives and how desperate one can get. Why do you think those damn AMWAY scams work so well. Promises of a better income for less than well off people.

    Notice how I'm not saying stupid people. Just not educated for whatever reason. Most of the people that read slashdot are VERY tech knowledgeable. We grew up with this. Most of the people who get conned, didn't.

    Whether they were too poor to afford a home computer and internet access, or were ahead of the technical wave... it doesn't matter. Remember, the internet hasn't been around that long in comparison to everything else. In the past 30 years, we've advanced more than we have in 300 years. Some people simply cannot keep up or get confused and don't try.

    It's always easier to be ignorant than try to learn. Look at the statistics in the link I gave you. 27% of the people in the US over the age of 25 have a college degree (This is Bachelors, PHD, Masters, Associates... etc). I bet about 90% of slashdot readers has a college degree of some kind.

    So it's suddenly surprising to you that with all this technology and most of the people not growing up with the technology, we have a lot of VERY uneducated people that are easily scammed?

    I'm not excusing their behavior, and the fact that they fell for something that was too good to be true, means they fell into two categories

    1) Greedy
    2) Desperate

    Otherwise, you typically don't fall for things like that. Just remember that you are in the top echelon of educated people in the US. What's easy for you to understand and grasp isn't for them. But that doesn't make it okay for trash like this to exploit them. In fact it means that they are the worst kind of trash and low life who KNOWINGLY did it again and again and again.

    I have no remorse for any punishment they get. I personally hope they go to prison and meet one of the people whos' lives they ruined financial... who then turned to crime to survive because they didn't know better.
    • by Quadraginta ( 902985 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:51PM (#21905308)
      I can only conclude you're a bit on the young side if you believe the cure for being suckered is to become highly educated. Live a few more decades and you'll realize highbrows with PhDs are at least as easy to con as the plain folks who fix your car and take your trash away. Probably easier, actually, since the former's intellectual arrogance will blind them to the possibility that they might be fooled.

      Of course, the scams intellectuals fall for -- dot-com stock, "flipping" hot Bay Area real estate with subprime mortgage money, socialism, etc. -- tend to be more complex and dazzling then the ol' ATM switcheroo or Nigerian bank fraud. And, since well-spoken intellectuals control the narrative, we tend to laugh at the fools taken in by penis pills while we "smart" people smugly shop for micronutrients, dehydrated horse piss and extracts of Chinese weeds at the organic food store to ward off cancer. Ha ha indeed.

      A susceptibility to being conned is part of your character, not a function of your intelligence or education. It's a question of whether you tend to think you know more than you really do, and are willing to make assumptions not backed up by data.
      • A susceptibility to being conned is part of your character, not a function of your intelligence or education.
        Why can't it be a function of both education and character? This sounds an awful lot like the "nature versus nuture" debate.
      • I was with you right up until you claimed socialism was a scam.

        Why do Americans fear that word so much? What happened to make you equate socialism with communism?
        • I was with you right up until you claimed socialism was a scam.

          Why do Americans fear that word so much?

          Perhaps there is a more ideal form that I've been missing out on, but every form of socialism I have ever heard of requires a rather large and powerful government to administer it. The US Constitution was designed with an explicit purpose of limiting the power and thus also size of government (seems funny today I know) because it's far more difficult for a relatively small, minimal government to beco

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by Nursie ( 632944 )
        "we "smart" people smugly shop for micronutrients, dehydrated horse piss and extracts of Chinese weeds at the organic food store to ward off cancer."

        Speak for yourself mate. Some of us got wise to that nonsense a long time and spend a lot of time trying to disabuse other folks of the notion that there's anything to these mystical, pseudo scientific lies.

        (By the way, whilst I don't care for "chinese weeds" to "ward off cancer", organic food has recently been shown in a proper scientific study by the EU to co
    • Fact is, most people in the US just aren't educated enough to recognize a scam.

      That's what happens when you decide that your education or that of your children is someone else's (i.e. the government's) responsibility. You may be interested in this book [johntaylorgatto.com] for a much better explanation.

      The rest of your post seems based on overlooking this one fact in order to perpetuate a victim mentality. I appreciate that this mentality might be a sincere belief or an unquestioned assumption of yours, but I did want to

  • by farbles ( 672915 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:04PM (#21904874)
    Spam has steadily increased on my server to where it is 98%+ of all mail. Virus mail is about 1% so real legitimate email is now less than one per cent of mail. Real mail is just an impurity in the spam stream.

    It's crazy and it keeps increasing month after month. It has cost my company thousands of dollars in equipment, tech support and other manpower costs, lost business, and user bad-will for delayed or filtered mail. When you spread that around to all the other mail systems out there, it is clear that spammers have been doing some real damage.

    When someone does catch one, they should go medieval on them. In our enlightened times this means mega-fines and long jail terms in the worst prisons that can be found but honestly I would not be bothered by putting their heads on pikes as an example for what happens when you screw over millions of people.
    • Only 98%? Mine was 99.99% last time I bothered to measure it. Since some spam is again slipping through the cracks in my filters, it must now be even higher.
    • Amazing! You find the crime that affects _you_ far more serious and annoying (spamming) than crime that affects other people (having their car stolen)! Objectively, anyone who says spam is worse than murder or theft, and therefore deserves the really long jail sentences and big fines is nuts.
  • by SamP2 ( 1097897 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:09PM (#21904938)
    A conviction where the majority of the sentence came from the spamming law rather than all the other ones (fraud, laundering, etc). The spamming sentence seems to be just the icing on the cake, powerless to have any real effect on its own. It may be adding insult to injury to the criminal, but it's not what nails them in the first place.

    The obvious problem with that is that the current system can only deal with people who commit other crimes while spamming, and while a lot certainly do, there are many spammers that don't break these laws and thus get away with the spam itself. Not to mention that proving something like money laundering is MUCH harder for the prosecution than proving spamming.

    Y'all Slashdotters complain that the the laws which do and shouldn't (or don't and should) get passed/enforced are because of evil greedy corporations pulling the politicians' strings. Well, here's a question for you. EVERYONE hates spammers (other than spammers themselves). End users like you and me who already got offered to enlarge their penises so often that you could make a space elevator out of one, large corporations whose trademarks get infringed on with fake v14gr4 and bring bad reputation, businesses who lose hundreds of manhours digging through spam in their inboxes, ISPs who's bandwidth gets clogged up (and thus the subscribers of those ISPs as well)... Just about everyone, rich or poor, peon or king, hates spam, and large corporations are as eager as end users to get their governments to do something about it. It's a rare case when nobody is trying to sabotage each other, and everyone has the same goal - stamp out spam.

    YET SPAM KEEPS GROWING BIGGER EVERY DAY, AND NOTHING GETS DONE. As I previously described, the current anti-spam laws are a joke when it comes to enforcement, and are only applied to people who get convicted on so many other counts they won't even feel this final punch.

    My question is... WHY?
    • by BCW2 ( 168187 )
      Because the Direct Marketing Association bribed enough Congresscritters to get the useless CanSpam law passed. They didn't spend enough to defeat the DoNotCall list and were given this as a bone.
    • A conviction where the majority of the sentence came from the spamming law rather than all the other ones (fraud, laundering, etc). The spamming sentence seems to be just the icing on the cake, powerless to have any real effect on its own. It may be adding insult to injury to the criminal, but it's not what nails them in the first place.

      YET SPAM KEEPS GROWING BIGGER EVERY DAY, AND NOTHING GETS DONE. As I previously described, the current anti-spam laws are a joke when it comes to enforcement, and are only a
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      A conviction where the majority of the sentence came from the spamming law rather than all the other ones (fraud, laundering, etc).

      This is a very common legal outcome. Common law offenses and violations of settled law are much more likely to result in prosecutions and convictions than violations of more recent legislation. Look at the Plame case for example- a law specifically tailored for that situation (the Intelligence Identities Protection Act) had been quite precisely violated, but since one of the ele
    • Remember that it wasn't murdering people or bootlegging that got Capone done, it was Tax evasion.

      So the point here is that yes the SPAM penalties should possible be higher but what you really want is the law enforcement people to be so irritated that they find out what else a SPAMmer is doing illegally.

  • hooray! (Score:4, Funny)

    by Presto Vivace ( 882157 ) <ammarshall@vivaldi.net> on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:13PM (#21904970) Homepage Journal
    because sometimes bad things happen to bad poeple.
  • In Soviet Russia, spam kills [slashdot.org] you [slashdot.org]

  • by Arrogant-Bastard ( 141720 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:43PM (#21905230)

    ...or so I predict. The maximum fines are but a tiny fraction of his monthly income. The jail terms aren't a threat given overcrowded prisons, the focus on the farcial War on Drugs (TM), the classification of this as a "white-collar" crime, and the technical illiteracy of both juries and judges when it comes to spam. Not to mention that Ralsky is easily smart enough to have planned for this and no doubt has plenty of high-priced legal talent at his disposal -- plus, I wouldn't doubt, a carefully maintained stash of information on other spammers that he can use to plea-bargain his way out of much of this.

    All that remains is a book deal and eventual appearances on cable news networks as "a spam expert". Oh, and he might have to "retire" from spamming in the same way that Spamford "retired" -- by moving on to junk faxing, spyware and typosquatting.

  • by jsse ( 254124 ) on Thursday January 03, 2008 @10:58PM (#21905376) Homepage Journal
    who manages spam fighting systems in the largest organization in Hong Kong. The spam increased by tens of millions every month since August last year, mostly related to this 'stock spamming', you can see how difficult our days were; especially when a couple of them got past our multiple layers of spam controls and reached our top management, who believes no spam should be seen when they paid millions on spam fighting.

    I know it's just tip of an iceberg, but this is surely a good news for us.
  • Ralsky's been documented spamming [spamhaus.org] for a long time. It's about time someone did something about him.

    (That link has a pic.)
  • The three-year investigation was handled by the FBI, U.S. Postal Service and IRS Crimiminal Investigation.

    If the investigation into this guy took three years before they could pull off an arrest, hopefully that means there are more ongoing spammer investigations in the pipelines that will lead to more arrests. We all know there are far to many other spammers out there for this one arrest to make a difference, but if this can lead towards bringing down some of the other big dogs out there, then maybe it will mean something.

    • The three-year investigation was handled by the FBI, U.S. Postal Service and IRS Crimiminal Investigation.
      The feds are being out them big guns. Of these three Federal government entities, IRS I would fear the most...
  • From the highest post available to set an example.
  • by Stu101 ( 1031686 ) on Friday January 04, 2008 @02:59AM (#21906872) Homepage
    I'm sorry but if the business I was in was exceptionally borderline legal and I had been caught and prosecuted before, I would stop doing business in that business, period. He KNEW he faced a chance of having a major conviction but carried on anyway. Only reasons could be greed or stupidity.

    To make him look even more stupid, this guy is a multi millionaire. It's not like he couldn't retire and just live a nice life investing his money and living off the interest.
    • I had to deal with someone similar. Very talented in finance, could make a fortune if he stayed honest and just used his skills. However, there seems to be some attraction in doing things outside the book, in conning people and committing fraud that appears to be irresistible. I must add that this guy operated in the UK where laws and enforcement appear to be almost DESIGNED for con artists like this guy to work (as an example, you can set up a new company and get VAT paid to you for purchases. If you t
      • by flajann ( 658201 )
        But you must understand that the spice of life is that very risk of being caught! That's what makes it so exciting!

        Of course, when you DO get caught, all bets are off.

        If Ralsky had been smart, he'd move his operation outside of any country with stiff anti-spamming laws. And being a multi-millionaire, this would've been easy for him to do.

        Quite frankly, I am unimpressed with this story. This will not put a dent in spam. If anything, it'll only attract more to doing the same, for where there is money, t

    • by b1t r0t ( 216468 )

      Only reasons could be greed or stupidity.

      Or ego, combined with a side-order of sociopathy. That seems to be a big motivation for usenet spammers who do "pee in the pool" spams (hipcrime, etc.), with no financial or other direct benefit to the spammer, not even a basic "visit my crappy webshite" benefit. Getting money to inflate your ego by spamming is a bonus.

    • by Nimey ( 114278 )
      I'm sure he thought his schemes were 100% LEGAL! {twitch}
  • Because I have only received about 10 spam mails in 24 hours, when my usual flow is between 200 and 500 spams a day (filtered, thank ghod)

    I decided that some SPAM king must have been busted. So I checked /. and sure enough. Asshole #1 was caught.

    Does that mean that most of my SPAM came from just that one guy?

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