Seven Wonders of the IT World 170
C.G. Lynch writes "The computer closest to the North Pole. The most intriguing data center. The biggest scientific computing grid. The little kernel that rocked the world. CIO.com has compiled a list of Seven Wonders of the IT World, some of the most impressive and unusual systems on the planet (and beyond)."
More than you might suspect... (Score:5, Informative)
Well.... I know they were trying to be funny, but the authors could be more correct that they might have known given the history of Google (startup partially funded by CIA $$s) and how tight they are with NGIA [nga.mil] (Google Earth [google.com] projects), CIA [cia.gov] etc..., it would not surprise me to see Google working intimately with NSA [nsa.gov]. After all, Google has been competing with NSA for PhD mathematicians for some time now (and winning) and it seems like a natural fit. Of course such a "hypothetical" collaboration would raise all sorts of ethical questions, but assuming one could appropriately compartmentalize those concerns, it could certainly be mutually beneficial.
Personally, I'd like to think that this little project [utah.edu] (when complete) will certainly contribute to the creation of one or more of the Seven Wonders of the IT world. After all, we all have little wetware parallel supercomputers sitting in the backs of our eyes that can process massive amounts of data, pre-encode it, filter it and more all while dealing with a certain level of data corruption, particularly in disease.
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Re:More than you might suspect... (Score:5, Informative)
Sure, but a security clearance can apply to lots of types of data and a diverse group of companies and government agencies. Everything from a basic collateral "secret" clearance (relatively easy to obtain) to "top secret" and compartmentalized programs are being worked on and participated in by people from not just government, but also a number of private companies. No big deal and I would certainly expect Google to have a significant number of folks possessing those clearances.
Re:More than you might suspect... (Score:4, Funny)
"After all, Google has been competing with NSA for PhD mathematicians for some time now (and winning) and it seems like a natural fit."
If only the NSA would offer stock options and a splashy IPO, I'll bet they could get some of those candidates back.
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I mean, it just makes sense.
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Isn't this exactly the reason that a lot of companies are taking themselves private again lately, disclosing everything is a HUGE hassle.
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You can't claim Google was funded by the CIA in its start up days without some kind of source. Seriously. You're just mongering. If you can't back up sensational claims like "Google was funded by the CIA", then don't make them. You're cheapening Slashdot.
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Re:More than you might suspect... (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't know much about the history of Google, but Keyhole was a company independent of Google for quite years. I worked for a company that subscribed to its service. Google bought Keyhole years later.
Your original post is completely worthless, with a bunch of home page links pretending to be citations. Lemme take a shot at your style of online journalism:
Google is a company owned by the Dairy Queen [dairyqueen.com] corporation with the stated goal of infiltrating homes worldwide Radio Shack microphones and transmitters. They are carrying out this nefarious deed at the behest of the Queen of England [royal.gov.uk], and the president of Mexico [www.gob.mx].
There. I'm just as factual as you are. And my references are just as good.
People like you are the reason smart people don't trust the internet.
Re:More than you might suspect... (Score:4, Insightful)
Also, don't assume that having an ID number of 871695 makes me a Slashdot rookie. I've been here almost since the beginning, but under a different ID that I abandoned years ago. Further, the claim (again unsubstantiated) that you have a doctorate doesn't impress me or anyone else.
Re:More than you might suspect... (Score:5, Interesting)
Further, the claim (again unsubstantiated) that you have a doctorate
Oh, come on now.... using Google is not all that hard, nor is clicking the links that I so thoughtfully already have provided for you. But, so you don't have to click twice, here it is [utah.edu].
Polar Photography (Score:4, Interesting)
And hey, for once I can use the term "polar opposite" and know that it's literally true!
120 degrees F (Score:2)
That was the most impressive thing to me. I had no idea that it gets up to 120 degrees Fahrenheit at the north pole. And I thought our string of 100+ degree F days this summer was bad!
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So I checked, and according to the Australian Antarctic Division [aad.gov.au]:
No more than a few thousand in the height of summer, going down to hundreds over winter. The most populous antarctic centre is McMurdo Base on Ross Island, south of New Zealand, operated by the United States. Australia's four stations have winter-time populations totalling around 80 in winter, rising to perhaps 200 in summer. In addition, marine scientists spend a lot of time on research boats in the Southern Ocean during the summer months.
So there you have it. Thanks again for the pic, and don't fret, APOD is never off-topic!
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The article said WONDERS, not HORRORS.
Slightly Dissapointed (Score:5, Interesting)
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Forgotten Wonder (Score:3, Funny)
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Storm brewing? (Score:5, Interesting)
But only because they missed something I think should apply - the Storm Trojan network. I mean, come on! Arguably the world's most powerful centrally-controlled computing resource, and it's all comprised of horked computers? How is that not a wonder?
You should hate its existence. But it's still quite amazing.
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My feeling on the matter is that there should be some permanence to the achievement. The Storm Trojan network is merely the latest stage and it's being used (AFAIK) for spam and maybe cracking encryption. Will it be around in ten years or a century? Will it mark an acheivement that holds up well even when more capable worm network systems come around? I don't think so.
In comparison, I think the SETI@HOME project has some potential for being a "wonder". Inspiring purpose, pervasive reach, and was an early
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Re:Slightly Dissapointed (Score:4, Funny)
I agree. My name isn't on the list ANYWHERE!!! Geez, come on, people!
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FUD of a religious sort (Score:2)
Repeat after me:
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Your "We're destroying the earth!" is not merely run-of-the-mill religious global destruction fantasy. It's also inherently un-scientific and thus qualifies as FUD. Ditch that bullshit!
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Matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Actually it can. An electron and positron can collide to form gamma rays. There you go from having matter (the mass of the positron is the samee as the electron) to having no mass. Similarly, a sufficiently powerful gamma can spontaneously spin off particle anti-particle pairs, losing energy in the process.
So more accurately, mass-energy cannot be created or destroyed.
Then as the other replier notes, the Earth is not mass/energy, it is a lable for an aggregatio
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Personally, If I was to launch a new spacecraft for this reason, I would put all versions of Microsoft Windows on it. Best security for Earth ever. No aliens will dare to come over here!!!
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A wonder it may be, but it is now so far away (and keeps getting further) that I truly doubt we can consider it part of our world anymore. At least the pyramids are still part of the planet we live on.
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I would've liked to see TCP/IP up there.
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How many image processing and computer vision nerds' dreams were shattered that day? She was in her 60s!
Small computer running Vista (Score:3, Insightful)
WOW! A small really small computer runs Vista! This is groundbreaking!
Seriously, though, the only "wonderous" things on there were the Voyager and the supercomputer. Most of the other stuff is not the most groundbreaking or superlative for its kind out there. I thought the idea of a "wonder" was something that we can only try and imagine how they managed to do it or how they came up with the idea.
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I agree although I wouldn't even class the supercomputer as that impressive. Its not like any number of large companies/organisations couldn't build something bigger/faster/better if they really wanted to (the NSA probably has). The Voyager computer is the only one that will still be impressive in 5 years.
I would think wonders of the world would be something that would still be considered impressive to a later
Re:Small computer running Vista (Score:5, Funny)
New list needed (Score:2)
Really- is there any more tired and lame excuse to grab eyeballs out there? Please, lets end these.
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So I'm compiling a top ten list of reasons to stop making 7 Wonders of the world lists
1. Wasted bandwidth
2. They're only for pageview whores
3. Most of the items are only 'wondrous' because people wonder why the hell its on the list.
4. If anything really is that wondrous, humans will probably destroy it.
5. Google will sell the #1 spot to someone else.
6. I.T. is moving so fast that in a few months, most will be obsolete.
thats as far as I got.
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I agree...
So I'm compiling a top ten list of reasons to stop making 7 Wonders of the world lists
1. Wasted bandwidth
2. They're only for pageview whores
3. Most of the items are only 'wondrous' because people wonder why the hell its on the list.
4. If anything really is that wondrous, humans will probably destroy it.
5. Google will sell the #1 spot to someone else.
6. I.T. is moving so fast that in a few months, most will be obsolete.
thats as far as I got.
Ok, I'll finish it for you:
7. It will suffer from the Slashdot effect.
8. Most Slashdot posters won't read it anyway.
9. ???
10. Profit!
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8. Most Slashdot posters won't read it anyway.
Now imagine if everyone actually RTFA for once...
120F in North Pole? (Score:1)
How can it get to 120F in North Pole?
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Not impressed (Score:2)
Also not impressed (Score:2)
I was also not impressed and that was my initial reaction too...but then I thought. Is the impressive thing that we shot a tin can out of the solar system or that it can tell us what it is seeing out there? I think it is really the latter so it really is a information technology marvel in the most basic sense of the term.
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Voyager 1 is not IT (Score:5, Interesting)
There is a deeper, underlying beef here. IT is about boring business data and came to dominate an industry that previously was the domain of science (often but obviously not always for military purposes). CIO is trying to make its readers feel good about themselves by co-opting non-business domains of computer use.
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Oxford English Dictionary:
information technology (abbr.: IT)
noun
the study or use of systems (esp. computers and telecommunications) for storing, retrieving, and sending information.
Though I find it funny that the V1 picture was captioned as: "NASA's Voyager satellite computes at the edge of space as we know it".
Voyager 1 is not a satellite, it's not in any specific orbit u
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Collective term for the various technologies involved in processing and transmitting information. They include computing, telecommunications, and microelectronics. The term became popular in the UK after the Government's Information Technology Year in 1972.
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Personally I found the north-pole thing interresting but lost interrest soon after that. The sheer lack of details and facts is appaling. They provide no good reasons for most of the "wonders" they picked. Is the Google datacenter really
The list (Score:2)
2. Voyager 1
3. Google's Datacenter
4. EGEE-II
5. Blue Gene/L
6. OQO
7. Linux kernel
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Some of those, especially Voyager, are quite impressive.
I'm I the only one that thinks the OQO is really out of place?
Re:The list (Score:4, Funny)
Re:The list (Score:5, Funny)
I would have put "The Internet" on the list, personally.
It gives you a research lab in all your cities too :-)
Re: The list in Readable Form! (Score:2)
Thanks, I was looking for this "noise reducer" post.
This article has one THE worst noise overheads I have ever seen.
Juniper (Score:2, Funny)
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(I noticed that too, though.)
Wonder #8 (Score:4, Funny)
Why anyone pays money for anything from IBM, Microsoft. Oracle or MySQL AB.
Link to one-page "printable" version (Score:2, Informative)
Biggest Paradigm Change (Score:5, Insightful)
Don't get me wrong: I love Linus and I love Linux. But don't forget what RMS likes to remind us at every opportunity: Linux is part of the GNU system. And GNU predated Linux by a long shot.
Stallman started the GNU project in 1983 and founded the Free Software Foundation in 1985. The Linux kernel appeared in 1991. Where did Torvalds get his compiler? Where did Torvalds get his editor? Where did Torvalds find people to work on his kernel? I understand that it can be pedantic to argue about big, abstract ideas like ``When did the paradigm shift really happen?'' Maybe the paradigm didn't ``shift'' until the Linux kernel came out. But Torvalds wasn't out to change paradigms. Stallman was. If we're going to hail the concept of free software, we should acknowledge the alphabet soup of RMS, the FSF, GNU, ETC. that gave it legs to stand on.
Re:Biggest Paradigm Change (Score:4, Insightful)
Community development was Torvalds' innovation, not Stallman's. Prior to Linux, the FSF was a GPL cathedral cranking out utilities to run on Sun OS.
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And let me tell, the GP is right. Linux triggered a revolution in the wa
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But it's still the straw that broke the camel's back. The first straw didn't, the straw just before the last straw didn't, just the one straw. The last straw.
Thats the straw that gets remembered.
How many people attempted to fly solo transatlantic before Charles? Can you name any, and if so, do you consider it an acheivement or a mat
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That isn't to belittle RMS or his works, but for all he put into it, it would have come to naught if Linus or someone else hadn't come along and given the final push.
I guess I didn't make my point clear enough. Why was Linus even pushing at all? The FSF did more than write software. It fostered a community. It created a public license so folks wouldn't have to write their own. It established a list of goals: software that the GNU system sorely needed. Torvalds didn't come up with the paradigm of using open source software nor did he establish the basic rules by which open source projects would operate. The fact that his kernel was the last component to be written befo
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The truth is, no one could do it alone. Anyway, to me it seems there was first a "paradigm shift" to proprietary software, and now free and open software is making a comeback.
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Just because he has convinced a few newbies of this does not make it true. The hurd is part of the GNU system - linux is something else even if it does have glibc to talk to.
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How many people still remember pSOS, VRTX, VxWorks (which was largely based on GNU development tools but with a proprietary real-time kernel) and a few others that were popular till the late 90s ? Of course, when you need a tiny, real-time kernel, Linux doesn't cut it yet, although that is also about to change.
But on the whole, you now have countless Linux-based embedd
the biggest wonder (Score:3, Insightful)
-I'm just sayin...
Google at the "end of the Oregon Trail"? (Score:3, Insightful)
TFA: "Pioneers knew The Dalles as the end of the Oregon trail."
I was just in Seaside this weekend, and they had a big sign next to a statue of Lewis and Clark proclaiming that that was the end of the Oregon Trail... The oceanside makes more sense IMO.
DNS Servers missing? (Score:2, Interesting)
Not that impressive (Score:2)
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Google makes money with their farm, which makes it far less impressive to me. It takes some serious money and engineering to keep the various root server clusters up 24/7, and it's done basically by a volunteer community.
They also do have a pretty remarkable amount of load, given how rarely they "ought" to be used.
http://h.root-servers.org/128.63.2.53_2.html [root-servers.org]
The H server averaged 5 megabytes/sec of inbound traffic over the last month. Given how small DNS queries are, that's an awful lot of queries! O
Seven Wonders Of The Security Software World (Score:2, Interesting)
NH
My own suggestions (Score:2)
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OQO? (Score:2, Insightful)
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New 7 Wonders (Score:2, Insightful)
The Dalles Data Center (Score:2)
They list The Dalles Data Center as one of the 7 wonders in the IT world, but they admit themselves that they have no idea what's inside of it? Those warehouses may be full of hay, for all we know. The design of it may be terrible and inefficient, even if it has servers. It's a pretty cheeky thing to claim on zero evidence.
Which is only par for the course. That was one of the worst signal-to-noise ratios of any news site, besides, oh, the last time
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in fact the story on
In fact, it absolutely was. Check the guy's email address on the linked submission; it goes to @cio.com; and the article was written by the same user. Please. I know it's was a fad and is now passe to complain about the editors on
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Well, to be fair, we're not really sure what's inside the great pyramid, either, . . . or what the Sphinx does?
What about the web? (Score:4, Insightful)
"Google's mum" (Score:4, Funny)
"Number of servers: Google's mum."
The correct phrase is "keeping mum".
"Google's mum" is what you would say when implying intimate knowledge of Mrs Google, or perhaps her tendency to wear sturdy footwear.
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Print link to article (Score:2)
For those who also hate paging through an article at the speed of advertising.
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