Novell to Release 20% of Their Employees? 206
sicariusdracus writes to tell us that Ron Hovsepian, the new president and COO of Novell may have his hands full in the near future. Ron has been tasked with getting the troubled business back on track which many have speculated could result in more than 20% of the 5,800 man workforce getting a pink slip (although Hovsepian suggests that may be an over exaggeration). Part of the restructuring will be announced with Novell's fourth-quarter financial results.
Act I (Score:5, Funny)
Hovsepian: Release the employees.
Re:Act I (Score:2, Insightful)
From the article: "The layoffs will be more about resource allocation,"
Enough with this PC stuff. Why can't they just say, something like, "We don't have the budget to sustain 5800 salarys, so we're laying off X people."? There is something to be said for Candor from executives.
Re:Act I (Score:2)
Re:Act I (Score:2)
fly my prettys, fly (Score:3, Funny)
Stocks? (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Stocks? (Score:1, Informative)
Re:Stocks? (Score:4, Funny)
Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:4, Interesting)
Novel's premier Linux distribution, SUSE, is historically based on KDE yet the individual projects that they're supporting (Beagle, Evolution) are gnome apps. I think in the long run KDE will become the de-facto standard primarily because of the tight integration among its applications and excitement in its developer and user base about KDE 4. If you don't believe me, take a look at how many more posts there are in KDE-Look [kde-look.org] than in Gnome-Look [gnome-look.org]. In fact, there is KDE-Apps [kde-apps.org] for independent apps built with the KDE/QT framework, while there is no such place to aggregate gnome apps.
In conclusion, Novel should get their gnome developers to work on KDE so that they have a tightly integrated system with no duplicated functionality.
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:5, Informative)
To be clear, Novell is profitable [yahoo.com].
EPS (ttm)=0.92 means that their Earnings Per Share for the Trailing Twelve Months was 92 cents a share. On a $7.47 share price (when I looked at the link, above), that's about 12% Earnings return on the share price (or a PE Ratio of 8.08).
That's really not a horrible return. Not great, but not bad, considering some tech companies LOSE money. It's only as high as it is because the stock price is beaten down so badly. Of course, you need to consider FUTURE earnings, not past, when buying a stock.
I'm no stock guru, but I do have what most would consider a sizeable portfolio, and I am in Novell at just over $6 (full disclosure here) for a few grand. So, yes, if I could encourage buying without touting the stock, I would. But I can't; that might be illegal.
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:3, Insightful)
This is just wrong. Yeah, the two sites you mention have similar names. But unless you can come up with a damn good reason of how they both are representative of the "excitement of its developer and user base" of KDE and Gnome, you're just astroturfing for mindshare.
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:2)
Why push this? (Score:2)
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:2)
SuSe is and has been a KDE desktop environment.
Novell was not in the Linux business.
Novell bought SuSE.
Novell bought some other Linux companies
Novell employed the
Novell focused on GNOME, while SuSe still is KDE heavy. (yes I know GNOME support is good)
My question is What the hell was Novell thinking? The previous poster is somewhat correct in that more people do run KDE. So if Novell is commited to SuSE and GNOME, then they probab
Ximian Red Carpet (Score:2)
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:2)
In fact, there is KDE-Apps for independent apps built with the KDE/QT framework, while there is no such place to aggregate gnome apps.
Apart from the fact that the relevance of this is obscure to me, I have to wonder how you did your research... You could have typed "gnome-apps.org" and find a site with GNOME apps. Or you could have searched for "gnome apps" in Google, the 4th result has a q
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:2)
That logic does not follow dude. I do hope KDE4 is awesome though and it's users enjoy it. I hope the next Gnome release is awesome too.
take a look at how many more posts there are in KDE-Look than in Gnome-Look.
My God man! The sub-project-forum-number-of-posts indicator! That's some solid data!
Cheers
Stor
Re:Support _only_ KDE and SUSE (Score:2)
sure you can sell support but thats only feasible with certain types of software
Re:Stocks? (Score:2, Informative)
Regards,
Steve
A stock buy-back is in the works (supposedly). (Score:2)
Not to mention that the big drop in employee salaries and such will kick up the profit/expense ratio (assuming flat profits).
All of which just thrills the Street. The question is, can you get back out soon enough, at a profit before it comes down again?
Release? (Score:1, Funny)
Re:Release? (Score:1)
released (Score:5, Funny)
Also in business news... (Score:2)
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>Anyone got a torrent?
In other news, 1160 ex-Novell employees said to be raising capital for hostile takeover of Krispy Kreme donut franchises, said to be interested in realigning business model with .torrent releases targeted directly at the Japanese pr0n market.
Finally in business news, Fuller Brush Company stock is up 50% on the day. A spokesperson for Fuller Brush Company said that despite initial concerns about the Slashdotting of their
Re:released (Score:2)
"Released" sounds pleasant. "What did you do today, honey?", "I got released from work!!", "Wonderful, let's celebrate!".
Meanwhile, those of us in the real world use words like "fired", "laid-off", "redundant". I can see why their market research indicated a change was required. It's like rebranding "cancer" as "closure".
600 people to be laid off (Score:5, Informative)
Ciao, Marcus
Re:600 people to be laid off (Score:2, Informative)
by Marcus Meissner (6627) on Wednesday November 02, @06:06PM (#13936548)
Pretty old news, it will be around 10% or 600 jobs
From TFA:
AP
Novell to Cut Jobs in Restructuring Plan
Wednesday November 2, 5:23 pm ET
Novell to Eliminate 600 Jobs As Part of Restructuring Plan, Expects Fourth-Quarter Charge
release... oh good, finally released... (Score:5, Funny)
I have such a hard time with this Newspeak.
Simpsons Quote (Score:3, Funny)
Homer : What does that mean??
Smithers: I think it means you're dismissed, Homer.
Homer: Oh, good! Phew! Can I go back to work now?
Re:release... oh good, finally released... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:release... oh good, finally released... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:release... oh good, finally released... (Score:4, Funny)
That, and an extremely good legal team.
They're object oriented (Score:5, Funny)
if( Worker.TooOld || Worker.EarnsTooMuch || Worker.HatedByBobInAccounting ) {
Worker.Release();
Worker.Dispose();
}
}
Re:They're object oriented (Score:2)
WITH release (Score:2)
Mono (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Mono (Score:2)
The combination of ECMA C# and Gtk# is 100% open source technologies, and that is what open source applications are built on.
You don't have to worry about the Microsoft aspects of C#--those are part of Novell's business plan. I'm sure their lawyers have done their homework and weighed the risks. But even if they got it wrong, it has no influence on the open source pa
Re:Mono (Score:2)
By "the open source parts of Mono", I was referring to open source implementations of open and free APIs: ECMA C# and Gtk+.
Re:Mono (Score:2)
I admire the mono project, I really do.
But I still worry about the possiblity of some of the technology being covered, either under a submarine patent (although I suppose at this late date this is extremely unlikely), or under a published patent where the applicability to the C# technology is not obvious to anybody but some devious Microsoft strategist. It may border on the paranoid now, but I can't help it. I know Microsoft is a brutal competitor, and I don't think they're beyond doing such a thin
Re:Mono (Score:4, Insightful)
That's what standards bodies like ECMA and ISO are for--they require specific procedures and disclosures when it comes to patents. Microsoft went through this, so we know they are committed to being compliant with ECMA and ISO regulations when it comes to patents and intellectual property. Sun chickened out when faced with this--they withdrew their standards body submissions over ECMA, ANSI, and ISO's requirements for disclosure and openness.
But I still worry about the possiblity of some of the technology being covered, either under a submarine patent (although I suppose at this late date this is extremely unlikely), or under a published patent where the applicability to the C# technology is not obvious to anybody but some devious Microsoft strategist. It may border on the paranoid now, but I can't help it. I know Microsoft is a brutal competitor, and I don't think they're beyond doing such a thing if they can get away with it.
The fact that there is a connection between Mono and Microsoft, however slight, doesn't make me happy either. But, in the end, what's the worst that's going to happen?
First of all, Microsoft can't claim willful infringement if people don't know about the patent, so there wouldn't be any penalties. And what damages are they going to claim? And damages are usually based on revenue, but who derives revenue from shipping Mono commercially?
If Microsoft were to assert a patent claim, people would work around it within a few weeks and the matter would be closed; it is implausible that any judge would even waste time looking at the matter after that.
Also, FOSS must be violating lots of Microsoft patents, at least on paper: the Linux kernel, Apache, Mozilla, etc. From a purely practical point of view, Microsoft must have done the calculation and decided that it simply isn't worth doing anything about it.
There are several so-called FOSS supporters that have licenses and intellectual property that constitutes a much bigger risk to the FOSS community than anything Microsoft has. Microsoft and Mono just isn't high on my list of worries.
Re:Mono (Score:2)
Re:Mono (Score:2)
help me out here... (Score:5, Interesting)
Do any of you guys use them? I guess I ask because I'm surprised they are still in business.
I hanve't seen a novell system in many years, and never hear about copanies doing a big novell roll-out.
Re:help me out here... (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:help me out here... (Score:2)
Yeah, ok that sounds cool, but what about TCO?
That's Trepidation and Craven Obeisance.
Re:help me out here... (Score:1, Informative)
Honestly, we have quite a few Netware servers for file/print. They just run and run great.
We are migrating away from them over time, but only because of support and marketshare. Too bad really.
Not quite Banyan Vines, but oh well.
It will be interesting to see if Netware services on top of Linux (OES) will allow Novell to keep their base happy. We're playing with it now.
We had some of our Netware 4 Servers run for ov
Re:help me out here... (Score:5, Informative)
We have never had server downtime because of a virus or worm.
Novell's marketing seems to be the only weakness, the products are great.
Their hope of the future is migrating all their existing features to run over Linux.
Re:help me out here... (Score:2)
As a consultant dealing with several NetWare LANs, I've gotta ask what you're smoking, and why aren't you sharing?
Do me a favor, tell me the checkboxes I can click to install NW6.5 to get a fully running, usable server installed without twiddling any text files. File sharing is easy enough, but I want iPrint, iFolder, NetStorage, and Virtual Office (and no, installing on SYS: doesn't make it usable). I'd even settle for a nice GUI
Re:help me out here... (Score:3, Interesting)
NetWare 6.5 here, GroupWise 7, ZENworks 6.0. (Score:5, Interesting)
And you had better know exactly what you want because they're not going to offer any advice.
The only time you'll see/hear a Novell rep is when a tech support company goes cruising for clients. The Novell reps love to be driven around to see customers that they wouldn't ever call on their own.
I could double Novell's sales with nothing more than a two line phone and an email account. Seriously. Microsoft takes executives from potential clients to expensive dinners. Novell won't even waste a phone call on an existing customer. They won't even let you know when new products come out that could fit with the stuff they have on record that they sold you.
Re:NetWare 6.5 here, GroupWise 7, ZENworks 6.0. (Score:2, Interesting)
We've got a Novell moron that shows up at our (large) university once in a while to present to all the techni
Re:help me out here... (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:help me out here... (Score:2)
Hells yes. I have about 40 Netware 6.5 [novell.com] servers, 2500 users in eDirectory [novell.com], and about the same number of workstations managed by Zenworks Desktop Management. [novell.com]
Identity management (Score:4, Interesting)
Identity management is a pretty hot area right now and a lot of companies want a piece of it, including the big guys like IBM and Sun. Novell remains a leader, however, largely because it has a superior directory product.
I wrote an article profiling Novell [infoworld.com] and it's current business prospects last year. It still pretty much holds. Try to look past the fact that it quotes Laura DiDio -- before joining the ranks of the "notorious foes of Linux," she covered Novell for years and years.
The latest news is that Novell's shareholders have been pressuring it to focus more and more on Linux and open source. I'm not sure that's necessarily the best move, because I don't think Suse Linux is generating all that much revenue so far. The open source angle seems to be perceived as the "sexiest" way to go forward, however, with the hope of reviving the Novell brand.
Re:help me out here... (Score:2)
take the money and run (Score:2)
Re:take the money and run (Score:3, Insightful)
I dunno about that... Not being forced to use Groupwise anymore may put you in the "far better off" category.
(Please not in the face! I do tech support for Groupwise!)
But seriously...
What if he fails to resurect Novell, he will be paid either handsomely as a saviour or bid adieu with a seperation package. Either way he will be far better than the pink slip recipients.
I think Scott Adams (Dilbert Author) had pretty good words about layoffs... (I'
Released... (Score:5, Funny)
But not me, I'm expensive.
Yesterday... (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd had a feeling that that story wasn't going to get posted here...
Re:Yesterday... (Score:3)
Cripes, man! Where were you (a 4 digit UID man, at that) during the endless SCO discussions?
I'm sure if you searh through everyones submission box it was probably one of the thousands of perfectly good articles that got passed over.
All is not lost, however. You got it in, didn't you?
Re:Yesterday... (Score:3, Insightful)
Everyone, including the financial backers, approve of the purchase of SuSE and agree with the strategy Novell is trying to implement. The problem is that they dont have faith in the executive management team to implement the plan successfully. They arent looking to scrap the company's migration to linux. They're looking at whether they should get a new management team to finish implementing the plan, or give the current management more time.
The article even incl
that article is bullshit (Score:4, Insightful)
There is no way that their move into Linux was ever going to keep them going at their past levels. That's neither surprising, nor is it Linux's fault. You can make a decent business out of FOSS, but it's not going to be a cash cow like Windows or the old Novell.
I frankly can't judge whether Novell is executing right with SuSE. But the quality of SuSE as a distribution has been consistently high, and they have a good shot at selling to businesses, in particular in the European markets. I hope they'll make it, alongside RedHat and a completely free Debian; we need more and smaller companies, not a few behemoths. And, to me, the Linux distributions strike a good balance between compatibility and diversity.
Re:that article is bullshit (Score:2)
I'd say that's a pretty fair assessment of Novell's situation.
Re:that article is bullshit (Score:2)
Re:Yesterday... (Score:2)
Re:Yesterday... (Score:2)
Bruce
Re:Yesterday... (Score:2)
Excuse me ... WHAT?!?!?
Putting aside the faux surprise that anyone might think such a thing -- don't you think this might have been mentioned earlier? Like, back in, say, 1998?!?
Re:Yesterday... (Score:2)
Bruce
Re:Yesterday... (Score:2)
released? (Score:1)
over exaggeration (Score:2)
So It Is True! (Score:5, Funny)
So it is true! There really are no women in IT!
I kid, I kid.
Re:So It Is True! (Score:2)
The women are safe.
Re:So It Is True! (Score:2)
I'm sure they'll both be relieved to hear that.
Not true, not true! (Score:3, Funny)
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Stereotypes are fun!
Release them? (Score:1)
"Released" (Score:2)
5,800 man workforce? (Score:2)
Oh, wait. They're in Utah. All the women must be at home in order to have that polygamy thing work...
In comes the Grim Reaper (Score:2, Interesting)
Typical classical management (Score:3, Insightful)
An example of this was when Apple was bleeding billions of dollars. They got rid of unprofitable products like the Newton, scanners, printers, Pippin, etc, and improved the Macintosh quality and features, until the company started to show a profit again. Of course they also downsized, but if they did things correctly they would not have to downsize. Keep in mind that they found new markets to be profitable in like music and video files, and the iPod.
There is some risk involved in doing that, but anything in business has a certain degree of risk.
Novell ought to see if Netware is costing more to support than the revenue it brings in. Sadly there are still organizations using Netware 3.X on MS-DOS and older Windows based workstations. If Novell was smart, they'd find a product or service to offer these organizations, or allow them to upgrade the Netware 3.X servers to a version of SuSE Linux with the Netware server application designed for the older servers, and then use SAMBA to connect to Windows clients as well. Perhaps Novell could make a deal with a PC maker to bundle SuSE Linux on their workstations and servers. Maybe make a SuSE Linux based rackmount server for web, email, IM, and other functions with some PC maker.
Anyway Novell ought to see what new markets they can get into, perhaps partner up with IBM/Lotus, Oracle, Sun, or even contribute to the Mozilla Foundation.
Re:Typical classical management (Score:2)
Re:Typical classical management (Score:2)
All the client organization is paying for is the labor to create the custimiz
Re:Typical classical management (Score:2)
Employees can be retrained for products and services that are profitable, rather than taking them outside and shooting them.
My experience (Score:2)
I hold a bachelors of science in business management with a 3.91 GPA. I do business consulting for various businesses.
You are the CFO of nowhere, Mr./Ms. Anonymous Coward.
How bad does that suck? (Score:2)
Hmm (Score:2)
yay open source (Score:2)
Clearly not diverse... (Score:2)
So only men are getting the "pink slip"? This is either sexist or homophobic. I can't figure which.
Re:Clearly not diverse... (Score:2)
I'm going to go gouge out my eyes now...
Welcome to the Wild Kingdom... (Score:2)
"Jim Fowler will be attaching these harmless radio collars to the employees before they are released. This will allow us to track them as they find new homes in the wild. Hopefully this information can be used by scientists to ensure a healthy and growing employee population."
"If your family is healthy and growing, you should consider purchasing insurance from Mutual of Omaha to help with all of life's little mishaps."
Release? (Score:2)
Is that the new name for layoff - release? (Score:2)
Re:"Over exaggeration"? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:WHAT ABOUT MIGUEL AND NAT (Score:2, Funny)
Just ask them! They'll tell you.
Re:why does everyone think novell is so good (Score:2)
However, it probably isn't Netware's fault.
Background: I took over the Netware part of a 4000 user network. They had daily Netware crashes, instability of the NDS, and just "BAD THINGS"(TM) going on.
They looked to me (the Netware guru) to fix it. I told the bosses that I would and could fix it, but they had to lend FULL CONTROL of all decisions relating TO the Netware servers. I rebuilt
Re:why does everyone think novell is so good (Score:2)
:Novell analysis Part 2: A new beginning (maybe) (Score:2, Interesting)
Enterprise managers, however, are a dif