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Old-Fashioned DRM Protects Harry Potter Book 513

RMX writes "The Telegraph has a nice article about the steps that Scholastic is taking to protect the content of the print version of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. They're delivering 10.8 million copies and need to ensure that this content isn't accessable by anyone before midnight. Technology includes high-tech (GPS to monitor delivery trucks progress and check that they did not deviate or stop.), low-tech (steel boxes & locks), social engineering notes (crates stacked up in the warehouses of delivery companies across America are marked: Please Do Not Open Before Midnight), and legal threats (As a final layer of security, booksellers have been forced to sign legal forms acknowledging that if they break the embargo, they will never again be supplied with a book by Scholastic). Think how much cheaper and easier it would be if they just used an E-book s with DRM. I'm all for Harry Potter protecting his rights; but it seems we keep getting closer and closer to the world described in Stallman's visionary The Right To Read article."
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  • by Eric Smith ( 4379 ) * on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:28PM (#13024238) Homepage Journal
    None of the protection measures described are DRM, old-fashioned or otherwise.
    social engineering notes (crates stacked up in the warehouses of delivery companies across America are marked: Please Do Not Open Before Midnight)
    That isn't social engineering.
    Think how much cheaper and easier it would be if they just used an E-book with DRM.
    Cheaper and easier for the publisher. Not easier for the reader. Personally I don't care how expensive and difficult it is for the seller. I'll buy a plain old book, and I'd consider buying a non-DRM ebook, but I will not by a DRM'd ebook, because it is of little value to me. They expect to sell over ten million copies in the US. How many do you think they would be able to sell if they only offered an ebook? And how many if the ebook was DRM'd?

    If the publisher wants to save money, they can simply distribute the book like any other book. No one is forcing them to have an embargo until an exact time; they have chosen to do that on their own initiative. So if it costs them lots of money to enforce it, that's their own problem. Why would you want to encourage the publisher to use DRM? How do you think it benefits you as a reader? Or do you have some other hidden agenda?

    it seems we keep getting closer and closer to the world described in Stallman's visionary The Right To Read article.
    I'm baffled. If you don't want that world, why are you suggesting that the publisher should use DRM? To prevent it, you should not ask publishers to use DRM, and avoid buying DRM'd products. If DRM'd products sell poorly compared to non-DRM'd products, the publisher's decision as to whether to use DRM will be easy.
    • by v3rgEz ( 125380 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:47PM (#13024334)
      I think the submitter wasn't seriously suggesting DRM, but rather trying to say that this was some sort of DRM. You're right, of course, that it isn't. Neither is an armored truck, nor a safe. They're all just plain security.

      Course, tinfoil hat sells better on slashdot, especially when sprinked with crappy RMS sci-fi (no seriously, it's terrible writing. Terrible.).

      One point to remember, however, is that this money on extra security isn't being wasted. First of all, it decreases the chance that a pirated copy will hit the net before the books hit shelves nationally. The ONLY way potter will lose sales is if an advance copy hits the internet a few days before its for sale, and eager readers read the entire thing online, and then no longer see a point in reading it. Otherwise, the convenience of a book far outweighs the extra cost, and people will just buy the book over reading it on their monitor, especially kids.

      Secondly, the extra security has gotten Rawlings front page articles on CNN, NYT, BBC, etc. etc. building up the book hype. A SoHo Potter celebration wouldn't make all these news sources; but coupled with the extra security, all the other potter crap gets free press too as article fluff. Just gotta be savvy when playing the game.

      • by shmlco ( 594907 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @11:22PM (#13024499) Homepage
        And others do the exact opposite. Baen Books, for example, has the latest David Weber/Honor Harringtion novel At All Costs [baen.com], available for download now.

        Or you can wait until November when it's available in print. The trick is that the download is an "Advance Readers Copy", which they say is unproofed and may change before final publication.

        Translation: Buy this one because you can't wait, and then buy the "release" downloadable version in August, and then buy the hardback in November.

        At least on the site they admit up front they're taking advantage of you. But either "pre-release" or "strict release", the idea is to drum up interest and business.

        • by Firethorn ( 177587 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @11:58PM (#13024658) Homepage Journal
          Actually, you're buying the preview edition now, to be updated to the final version when it's released. You just have to download it again. As in, you've just payed 3x the normal price for a baen ebook to get it early. But at least they're being honest about it:

          You can wait, but if you are a true Weber and Honor Harrington addict we want to take advantage of you. Order At All Costs, Aka Honor #11 now instead of when it debuts as a WebScription title, (August 2005) Here's your deal:


          I'm almost ready to buy it now, just for that honesty.

          I've bought a number of baen e-books, preceisly because they have no DRM. You can download them in RTF & HTML, for pete's sake! You can't get any less DRM than that.
      • I think the submitter wasn't seriously suggesting DRM, but rather trying to say that this was some sort of DRM.

        It isn't DRM at all! I think you missed the statement that the 'D' in DRM means 'digital'? Please state what parts of Scholastic's activities are digital.

        There is nothing in the book that prevents the buyer from scaning pages or uploading them either. The 'RM' barely fits as well, being 'rights management'. It is only an elaborate system to try to prevent the sale of a physical item before s
    • by hey! ( 33014 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @06:55AM (#13025801) Homepage Journal
      The article reminded me of a discussion I took part in many years ago about a 24 hour student run coffee house.

      ...

      Student 1: The dining service hates the coffee house because it's competition. They'd love to shut it down.

      Student 2: Yeah, that's so fascist.

      Student 1: Where are we supposed get coffee when we're studying late? They close the dining hall at 7:30.

      Student 2: Yeah, those fascists want us to buy all our food from them, but they can't be bothered to stay open when we need it.

      Me (to student 2): What exactly do you mean by "fascist"?

      Student 2: Well, you know, like fascist.

      Me: What I want to know is, can you actually define the word "fascist"?

      Student 2: ** nonplussed **

      Student 1 (indicating Student 2): "Fascist" is anything he doesn't like.

      ...

      Now, I'm really against fascism. Or at least I was pretty sure I was against it until my brother in law, who is a college professor and thus a professional sower of doubt, managed to undermine my confidence in my definition of fascism. After all, what would people like Mussolini or me know about fascism? We can barely define "semiotics". But I'll go out on a limb and say that despite my highly unscholarly view of what fascism is, I'm inclined to hate and despise it.

      It also happens to be true I'd really get pissed off if I couldn't get a cup of coffee at 1AM in the morning.

      And, if I'm brutally honest with myself, I'll have to admit it's more probable that I'd do something about the coffee house getting shut down than the country going fascist. I don't like believing this, but the truth is, we feel the loss of our comforts and pleasures keenly. Maybe not more keenly than the loss of our rights, but certainly more keenly about the erosion of our rights. That's what makes authoritarianism so insidious: they promise you it won't affect anything you want to do, they won't curtail your pleasures and comforts. If anything they promise to make you more comfortable and prosperous. Any pain that you might feel is in the fuzzy and undefined future. When the consequences become clear, it's too late. Fuzziness is key. You might not believe they can make the trains run on time, but if you don't see any real cost to yourself, you aren't going to be inclined to to stop them from trying.

      For that reason, people like my friend Student #2 above are highly useful to the authoritarian. Consciously or not, they actually accept and promote the questionable premises the authoritarian wants to foist on the public. Suppose the premise is fascism is about efficiency and practicality. Most people would agree that it would be nice if the dining hall were open 24 hours, but don't think of it as a moral evil if it doesn't. They understand that if the dining hall were open 7x24, that the meal plans would be more expensive. It's something you can live with and work around. That's exactly what the fascist wants you to think about uniting the powers of the state and business so they can serve each other's interests: it's efficient and you can work around the downside. It's a double bonus: the more people who think A is like B, the more credible the idea feels. The fact that people who don't like B are nutjobs makes people who don't like A seem like nutjobs too.

      The cumulative result of years of this is that, while we can all agree we hate and despise facism, we can't agree on what it is. So you can promote any piece of the facist agenda you want, so long as you don't actually call it fascism. If somebody else calls it "fascist", then so much the better: the term is so useless now that only political wackos use it.

      We're pretty close to this point with attacks on freedom of expression. Choosing when to publish a book is not digital rights management. It's something that virtually everybody can agree is within t
  • by cloudofstrife ( 887438 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:31PM (#13024245)
    Magic! If Harry Potter is making so much money off of these books, he could spare a spell or two to protect the books from being read before the time they go on sale.

    inanicus librarius!

  • Baloney (Score:2, Insightful)

    by jarich ( 733129 )
    She's trying to make a few dollars (maybe more) on her work and you're trying to make it look like she's implementing one of Stallman's fantasies.
  • Why not just, I don't know, make the book available as soon as it is ready instead of keeping to an artificial release date.
    • What and have the book out before the cross promotional items such as the action figures are ready???

      I think not there is a machine to run and it all leaves the station on the same day.
    • "Hey buddy, I have one and you can buy it before anyone else for only $150" Thats what they're trying to prevent. Gouging. This is perfectly acceptable.
      • "Hey buddy, I have one and you can buy it before anyone else for only $150" Thats what they're trying to prevent. Gouging. This is perfectly acceptable.

        Customers practicing something called self-restraint [reference.com] would also acheive this. But no, it's much better to have customers need publishers to stop themselves from being screwed over.

        Adults are able to control their desires to a degree, and not need something as soon as it's available. Creating an artificial release date is just silly, and if it truly is
      • Hey buddy, I have one and you can buy it before anyone else for only $150

        Why not?

        Hell, they should do that themselves!

        Anyone stupid enough to pay 10x as much to read the exact same content 12-40hrs earlier... Well, I think an old adage about a fool and their money applies here.

        Now, someone else's point about merchandising opportunities seems quite a lot more likely. This has nothing to do with making it fair to all the happy little Harry P fans, and everything to do with not undercutting the massiv
      • I'm curious why they don't sell 1000 limited-edition-gold-plated Harry Potter books a month early; and 1,000,000 silver plated ones a week early for outrageously high prices.

        Seems like a very nice way to get a little additional revenue & a lot of extra profit.

        And before complaining that this isn't fair to poor people, please consider that this is exactly the same as what they do when they sell a hardcover first and a paperback later.

    • by BackInIraq ( 862952 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:57PM (#13024379)
      Why not just, I don't know, make the book available as soon as it is ready instead of keeping to an artificial release date.

      They're trying to prevent two things:

      1) Price gouging..."yeah, you can buy it 3 days early, it'll only cost you 10 extra dollars!"

      2) Retailers who get the books earlier from having an unreasonable advantage over those that don't. This often translates to large retailers versus small retailers...Target already has an advantage on price, now imagine if they also had it on the shelves 2 or 3 days early.

      Street dates are nothing new, and certainly not a bad thing. This has been an accepted practice on movies, music, and books for quite some time, long before Harry Potter was ever concieved. When you're releasing something like a book or a movie to thousands upon thousands or retailers, it's impossible to get it to all of them the same day...street dates are established so the item appears on everybody's shelves at the same time, thus promoting fair competition.

      We do like fair competition here, right?
  • by saskboy ( 600063 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:31PM (#13024248) Homepage Journal
    This isn't Digital Rights Management

    There is no "Digital" in PRINT books.

    ARGGGGHHH! Please Mr. Submitter, know the terms you are using. Yes DRM is bad, but the first DRM I am aware of is floppy disks with copy protection. That's the oldest there is, everything else before that was just "rights management".
    • That's the oldest there is, everything else before that was just "rights management".

      And all are just simply, "restrictions."
  • As an additional layer of security, why not print the books with black ink on red paper so that most photocopiers cannot read them?

  • Er? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by MrNonchalant ( 767683 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:32PM (#13024254)
    Christ, its a bloody childen's book not freaking gold bars.
  • by a_greer2005 ( 863926 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:32PM (#13024255)
    I have heard from someone who eould know first hand that security at the print facility, secuity is insainly tight. random person searches, tons of cameras, lots of extra guards, it is like Fort Knox.
  • by pete-classic ( 75983 ) <hutnick@gmail.com> on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:33PM (#13024257) Homepage Journal
    Well, I certainly hope they thought to use a counter-charm for Alohomora.

    -Peter
  • by phorm ( 591458 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:34PM (#13024260) Journal
    I'm all for Harry Potter protecting his rights; but it seems we keep getting closer and closer to the world described in Stallman's visionary The Right To Read article.

    What exactly is wrong with protecting your product? In a world of rip-offs and general immorality it's not very uncommon for products to be ripped off before release, or stolen from trucks/docks/etc

    I myself know of workers who admit to stealing the cargo they're supposed to be loading.

    There's a lot planned around the time release of the product, and realistically while they are securing to get the biggest "bang" for their own bucks, the publisher is also making things more fair for the distributers by ensuring that everyone gets the same release date, and thus no one store can steal the business from others early
    • Good God, man! You are making a sane, rational, reasoned response. Do you have any idea what the mods will do to your karma? :-)

      Seriously though, I think you are right on the money. This is simply about making a dramatic release for a very popular book and cashing in as much as possible on the current hoopla about it. I really don't see why this is such a bad idea. Hell, even Dickens had a lot of hoopla about his latest releases. And, as others have pointed out, it is a print book. Once it is releas

  • This is idiotic. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TexasDex ( 709519 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:34PM (#13024261) Homepage
    "Right to read?"

    I read that essay and this has nothing to do with it--and everything to do with a company trying to keep up the suspense of a massive bestseller right until the publishing date. And then after that all the locks go off and this will be distributed just like any other book.

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:34PM (#13024264)
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    • First, DRM of course means "DIGITAL", this is anything but digital.

      I imagine if they decided to watermark the papers with faces of presidents that closely resemble that on currency so to trip anti-counterfit measures in some scanners and printers that it could be called DRM after a fashion.

      If they did this, I wonder what effect the fundimentalists who burn Harry Potter books.

  • by the_weasel ( 323320 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:34PM (#13024266) Homepage
    Without a doubt the dumbest summary I have ever read on Slashdot. So many half baked connections and FUD, I can only think it boils down to this : Someone in Slashdot editorial wanted to put up a Harry Potter story to sync up with the building media hype around the release, and this was the best they could come up with.

    Shameful.
  • This summary starts by talking about the new Harry Potter book, then somehow ends up talking about DRM and Richard Stallman. Even more interesting is how the post comes out in favor of DRM and is somehow sympathetic to Stallman at the same time. Good work! This should get a lot of posts Timothy, helping to increase that ad revenue...whoops, looks like I just got sucked in...
    • I'm not very picky when it comes to news. I don't even mind a little bit of opinion here and there. But come on, these Slashdot stories are so sensationalistic and often misleading or dupes it's sad. The news posting system should use some sort of voting system like Digg.com [digg.com]. since the editors clearly hate their jobs.

      Whew I just made my first Slashdot bashing post. Feels good!
  • Huh? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by interiot ( 50685 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:35PM (#13024271) Homepage
    Nice try at trying to shoehorn this into a Slashdot story.

    It's not digital rights management, because there's no digital product being managed.

    Also, putting a sign up is not social engineering as others have pointed out. As the word "engineering" implies, usually more thought and cleverness is required before people consider something to be social hacking or social manipulation.

    • Actually, it is (Score:5, Informative)

      by Krankheit ( 830769 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:56PM (#13024374)
      I think what they mean is that empty crates have been marked "Do Not Open before Midnight" so that a miscreant will be go for those crates first. It is a classic social engineering technique. Like putting out a junk laptop in the view of a theif that says "important data" so he will run off with that one and not go for where the data really is (the server.) I do agree that it is not really digital rights management, but nonetheless, GPS is digital. ;)
    • Also, putting a sign up is not social engineering as others have pointed out. As the word "engineering" implies, usually more thought and cleverness is required before people consider something to be social hacking or social manipulation.

      Absolutely correct.

      To qualify as "social engineering" the sign would need to be misleading such as:
      "DANGER Do Not Open, Contains Ebola Virus!"

      Of course then there might be a problem getting people to open the boxes after the release date too.
  • Release Dates. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Gannoc ( 210256 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:35PM (#13024276)

    The reason you have release dates is so that ALL dealers have a chance to sell the book. Otherwise the stores with better distribution systems would get it in stock first, while the others would have to wait.

    Then the publisher would have to worry about which store to ship to first, because the first store who receives it has a massive sales boost.

    Eventually, every small bookstore goes out of business.

    This whole submission makes no sense. It has nothing to do with DRM.

    • Re:Release Dates. (Score:5, Interesting)

      by gbulmash ( 688770 ) * <semi_famousNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:44PM (#13024324) Homepage Journal
      The reason you have release dates is so that ALL dealers have a chance to sell the book. Otherwise the stores with better distribution systems would get it in stock first, while the others would have to wait.

      This is also the reason many home video arms of the studios have "street dates" for video releases. Right after college, I temped in various studios in Los Angeles. One interesting job was calling up video stores that had "broken street" (started selling or renting a video before the authorized date), getting the manager on the phone, and then transferring them to a mid-level Disney exec, who would reduce them to jello.

      What was interesting, though, was the water cooler talk. If Costco or Walmart broke street, they didn't get the intimidating phone call. While the little guys couldn't afford to lose Disney, Disney couldn't afford to lose Costco and Walmart.

      - Greg

      • Re:Release Dates. (Score:3, Interesting)

        What was interesting, though, was the water cooler talk. If Costco or Walmart broke street, they didn't get the intimidating phone call. While the little guys couldn't afford to lose Disney, Disney couldn't afford to lose Costco and Walmart.

        It has gone even further than that.

        Best Buy gets to "break street date" by a couple of months on such series as: Battlestar Galactica [tvshowsondvd.com] and Space: Above and Beyond [tvshowsondvd.com] and charge full MSRP too -- why wouldn't they when they don't have to worry about competition for months?
    • The reason you have release dates is so that ALL dealers have a chance to sell the book. Otherwise the stores with better distribution systems would get it in stock first, while the others would have to wait.

      ....

      Eventually, every small bookstore goes out of business.


      Or they could, of course, adapt to the situation and offer services that the big chains don't (such as stocking books from smaller publishers that the big chains won't stock by default).

      Despite what you read on slashdot, creating ar
  • I want PAPER (Score:4, Interesting)

    by gbulmash ( 688770 ) * <semi_famousNO@SPAMyahoo.com> on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:35PM (#13024277) Homepage Journal
    First, regardless of how easy it would be to use e-books with DRM, it would be a tragedy if they went that route. There's a tactile pleasure to a real dead trees paper book: its weight, the texture of its pages, curling up with it. I have never read a novel via the electronic route and doubt I ever will. Technical books, business books, books I want to study... e-books are great there. But I don't want to read entertainment books -- the ones I read 30-pages of before bed, or lay on the couch and read -- off a screen. I want to read them off paper.

    Anyway, DRM based on a "do not read before" timestamp would be hard to effect. It would require that any reader be set with an unhackable internal clock that knows the time zone the reader is in, otherwise people could circumvent the "do not read before" settings rather handily.

    I think the argument here is a bit difficult to support.

    - Greg

    • It would require that any reader be set with an unhackable internal clock

      https://time.gov/ [time.gov] anyone? (No, the link doesn't work ... yet.)

      that knows the time zone the reader is in

      The author lives in UK, so use UK time (which during the summer is not GMT [wikipedia.org]).

      • https://time.gov/ anyone?

        So you would have every ebook reader contain an internal atomic clock? Or would you have them connecting to a central server to synchronize their time?

        Option 1: The screen wouldn't be the only thing glowing after a while.

        Option 2: Not necessarily unhackable, and additionally gives rise to huge privacy concerns. My reading material should not be connecting to government entities for any reason. It shouldn't be connecting to private commercial entities. The connection alo

  • I'm just trying to figure out if the submitter's ebook comment is a joke or not. It probably is, as the idea of a submitter on Slashdot coming out in favor of DRM is anathema to this entire status quo. :)

    But seriously, I don't think ebooks have a hope of getting further than they have so far. I'm not saying that the book as we know it will never change, because they have (though extremely little in many centuries. Stone tablets to scrolls to bound books to printed books.) Reading on a screen will simply
  • Wouldn't it be better to have goggles (with built-in hearing aids for sound decryption and reproduction to the ear) that everyone has to use in order view/hear content. Text in books, on web sites would be encrypted with visual representation of the cipher text that the computer embedded in the goggles would read, and decrypt with your unique iris scan data used for the private key, and the public key being downloaded over the cell phone network. Video and sound could also be decrypted for view/listening of
  • Why exactly are they doing this? If the book slips out a few hours early it's not like it will be ripped and reprinted in illegal copies before the real version officially goes on sale. I just don't see the point of this much security.

    Are parents really going to line up at midnight to buy a kids book? Why bother? the kid should be in bed at that time anyways.
    • Re:Why? (Score:5, Insightful)

      by Rick Zeman ( 15628 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:44PM (#13024320)
      Why exactly are they doing this? If the book slips out a few hours early it's not like it will be ripped and reprinted in illegal copies before the real version officially goes on sale. I just don't see the point of this much security.

      Are parents really going to line up at midnight to buy a kids book? Why bother? the kid should be in bed at that time anyways.


      You're kidding, right? For the last few books' midnight release dates, the lines have looked like the childrens' version of all of the l00sers lining up for Windows 95 oh-so-many years ago.

      Any parent whose kid is THAT eager to read a book--any book--should be encouraged, even if it's staying up late on a summer night. Beats the hell out of them staying home playing GTA or something else equally mind-numbing.
  • I'm sure after this book is about the last book that anyone cares they get from scolastic. ;-)
  • The next thing you know, there will be draconian laws protecting "content." The purported purpose of these laws will be to protect the people who make this so called "content"--that is, people like artists, musicians, authors, programmers, actors, and others. Unfortunately, the real use of the laws, in practice, will be to line the pockets of already incredibly rich multinational corporations, which will hardly--if at all--give the people whom the laws are purported to protect--enough money to even survive.
    • Oh, wait, that already happened.

      Nice try, but it isn't quite that bad in the book industry. Authors do actually get a percentage of books sold. They get an advance, which is sort of a loan. The company keeps track of how much money is made and the author's percentage of it. If the author's share exceeds the advance, then he'll start getting checks. The advance is partly the publishers guess on how much the author's share will be, so it's unlikely for the author to get more. This is of course for medium-s
  • Holy ... (Score:2, Funny)

    by cobrabyte ( 626911 ) *

    Has Steve Jobs taken up a position at Scholastic?

    Thought he was the only man to go to such extremes.

    -c
  • by lheal ( 86013 )
    Would the book be not as good if someone read it early?

    Oh, I remember: last time, there were pirated copies in print before the official one came out. I guess this is just their overreaction to that.

    Still, it sounds like a way to generate false interest. Rather than just saying, "Hey, we've got a great book coming out!", they go to all this trouble (and make sure everyone even the slightest bit interested in Harry Potter knows about it).
  • There's already a fake [thepiratebay.org] up on torrent sites.
  • Point Missed (Score:5, Informative)

    by z0ink ( 572154 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:50PM (#13024348)
    Scholastic isn't trying to take away anybodies rights here. This is common practice in competitive markets for big title releases. For example: Barnes & Noble manages to release the new book 2 days earlier than anybody else. What happens? Since B&N only has a limitied quantity and demand is so high, they quickly sell all their stock and make a bundle. This would be good for B&N, but it would hurt every other bookstore in the market, thus being an unfair practice. This isn't new. Just look at how strict video game releases are.
  • by Quirk ( 36086 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @10:55PM (#13024366) Homepage Journal
    "I'm all for Harry Potter protecting his rights; but it seems we keep getting closer and closer to the world described in Stallman's visionary The Right To Read article."

    Just a little nit to pick but... uhm you see Harry Potter is a fictional character. J. Rawlings in the author of the Harry Potter books and she is protecting her rights. Now as to Richard Stallman being real or a work of visionary fiction, well, that is a moot point.

  • by sllim ( 95682 ) <achance@earthlink . n et> on Saturday July 09, 2005 @11:01PM (#13024397)
    None of these things really impede on our consumer rights.
    The point of the embargo is so that if store A gets the book three days before store B they don't mark it up by 200 percent.

    Now eBooks, more importantly DRM ebooks - there is some serious erosion of rights.
    With the physical book I can read it, then I can give it to others to read. It is really a hell of an investment. What $25 - $30 and the usefulness is unlimited when you consider that once it is bought there is no limit to the number of individuals that can read it.

    But the entire point of DRM eBooks is to force the public to purchase one book per reader.

    I stand behind Scholastic on this one.

    Besides, you are talking bad about Harry Potter. Rowling deserves a medal. She has written a series of books that CHILDREN WANT TO READ. That is so cool.
    • The actual point of the embargo is that no books will get into the publics hands before 12:01 AM July 16, thats all. This is to make sure that nobody scans the last chapter and posts it on the web before 12:30 AM. Don't ruin the plot for the rest.

      My youngest daughter started reading the books when the third one came out, is now 16 and can't wait for book 6. She even got my wife and I to read them, along with her older sisters. Not a bad story at all, and yes Rowling deserves a medal for getting a large par
  • C'mon dude, not wanting your book sold before the date you planned, well, that's only slightly control-freakish and hardly objectionable, even by my own standards. If they had the book go up in flames, mission impossible style, once you've read through it once, or sued people selling used copies, maybe I could get a little pissed. If I wrote a book half as popular as this crap, and it was important that Barnes and Noble didn't sell it before Decemberween the 19th, you can bet I'd be pissed if they started s
  • by DrJimbo ( 594231 ) on Saturday July 09, 2005 @11:14PM (#13024458)
    I wish we lived in a world where all the publisher need do is ask politely that no copies of the book be sold before midnight and everyone respected their request. But in our media hyped world, that is just not going to happen.

    I fully support Scholastic's decision to take what steps are necessary to try to ensure that everyone gets an equal shot at reading the book before it gets spoiled all over the press.

    It is too bad that they need to do all of these things to give everyone an equal shot, but that is hardly Scholastic's fault. If they didn't take these measures, we would be calling them morons for not taking reasonable precautions. In fact, they would probably get their asses sued off by unhappy readers.

  • Somehow this blurb came out in favor of DRM and Stallman at the same time...I think that, despite all the comments about the sensationalism and general idiocy, the sheer talent it took to manage that makes this a worthwhile post.
  • by serutan ( 259622 ) <snoopdougNO@SPAMgeekazon.com> on Saturday July 09, 2005 @11:25PM (#13024516) Homepage
    Think how much cheaper and easier it would be if they just used an E-book s with DRM.

    Think how much cheaper and easier it would be if they just shipped it out like other books and didn't fucking worry about it.
    Naww, crazy idea, don't know what came over me!

  • No, it doesn't (Score:5, Insightful)

    by NitsujTPU ( 19263 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @12:50AM (#13024830)
    it seems we keep getting closer and closer to the world described in Stallman's visionary The Right To Read article.

    No, they want a big release. Since when has building up a little anticipation been a crime? Scholastic is enforcing this in a fine fashion. They are stepping on nobody's rights, all they said is "if you mess this up for us, we're not doing business with you again.".
  • Non sequitur (Score:5, Insightful)

    by dr.badass ( 25287 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @02:22AM (#13025081) Homepage
    This story has nothing to do with DRM or the "right to read". It concerns a publisher protecting it's assets before they go on sale. If you think a publisher shouldn't be able to decide when to start selling it's books, you're out of your fucking mind.

    After you buy the book, your rights are the same as with any other book.

    Your rights are not being infringed upon.
    There is nothing to see here.
    Have a nice day.
  • It's Your Fault. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by darkfnord23 ( 696608 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @02:51AM (#13025161)
    You buy the books, which is why the "intellectual property" is so valuable.

    Create and/or participate in a non-commercial culture if this stuff bothers you.
  • by vmfedor ( 586158 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @03:41AM (#13025297)
    Why does this even matter? It's their book, they can do whatever the hell they want with it. It's not harming anyone. I say, let those idiots waste their money and squander their profits on such ridiculous security measures.
  • by Nice2Cats ( 557310 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @03:41AM (#13025299)
    Think how much cheaper and easier it would be if they just used an E-books with DRM.

    Yeah, except that e-books are only used by a small and to my mind somewhat confused micro-minority, and for good reason -- you are not going to sell 500 trillion of them, or whatever the number is they are aiming for this Harry Potter (full disclosure: I have the whole series, too). E-books are a pain to read in the sun, are a risk to read in the bathtub, can't be dog-eared (my book, my rules), won't survive having your backpack thrown in your locker, writing a note on the second page when you give them to your kid sister is sort of hard, and you can't include them in your Delicious Library [delicious-monster.com], just to name a few real-life problems. In other words: E-books are good for the publishing company, but not for the customer.

    I would like to predict they are going to die like web push technology. But unfortunately, capitalism in the 21th Century is not about what the customer wants, it is about what big multinationals can get away with. When you buy an e-book, you are helping them screw you. If you want a tech toy to look cool, get a frigging iPod, that's what they are there for. But please don't support the attempt to kill something that has served the human mind for more than 2000 years.

  • If I ran a book shop (Score:4, Interesting)

    by t_allardyce ( 48447 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @04:39AM (#13025420) Journal
    1. receive truck load of harry potter books

    2. sign legal document declaring they will never give me any more books if i break the contract

    3. start massive advertising (pre-planed) campaign: Internet, tv, driving a van around with a poster and megaphone all within minutes of getting the book in stock

    4. offer the books to the absolute highest bidders, take advantage of rich kids, yank the prices up as high as they can possibly go.

    5. Call up scholastic say: "If you want me to stop selling these books I will sell you my remaining stock.. for a fee, and even give you a list of people I sold them to."

    6. Proffit

    This isn't real DRM, and it certainly isn't to stop piracy, this is just their hype machine and if you play it right you can make some serious profit off it and probably quite legally except for that pesky civil court.

    • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 10, 2005 @05:07AM (#13025500)
      If I ran a book shop, I'd plaster the shop front with Harry Potter posters announcing that I was opening the shop at 00:01am next Saturday to start selling the book then just not turn up to open the shop.

      I'd just turn up at the back of the crowd somewhere with a digital camera taking pictures of all the spoilt brats screaming at their parents at 1am, when they finally decide to give up queuing.

      All the more fun if it's pouring with rain then also...

  • From my customer: (Score:3, Informative)

    by bigattichouse ( 527527 ) on Sunday July 10, 2005 @09:16AM (#13026282) Homepage
    WRITTEN GUIDELINES FOR BOOKSELLERS

    Dear Bookseller,

    Now that Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is arriving or has already arrived in your warehouses and stores, and especially with the weekend before the release upon us, we want to ask your continued vigilance in maintaining the highest level of security around the books. We do not want any "spoilers" to change the readers' experience of the new book!

    We ask that you confirm that all procedures are in place and, in particular, that the following steps are implemented :

    * Insure the product is segregated from all other stock
    * Insure all security measures are in place in all stages of the process, and that access to the product and processing areas are appropriately restricted
    * Insure your entire staff is aware of the restrictions that are in place
    * Particularly over the weekend, insure appropriate staff, including security personnel, are on site
    * We recommend you implement, if you haven't already, the following in the secured staging areas and communicate this to your employees: no cell phones or recording devices and no lunch boxes or coolers, only clear bags
    * Please contact us prior to any communication with the media or other third parties, concerning your operations and security

    We greatly appreciate your cooperation and look forward to a successful launch of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince on July 16th for all booksellers!

    Sincerely,
    Scholastic Sales Management
  • Idle Threats (Score:3, Informative)

    by Neoprofin ( 871029 ) <neoprofin@hotmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Sunday July 10, 2005 @10:27AM (#13026529)
    I'm too lazy to read 313 comments to see if it's been mentioned already, but to the best of my knowledge Scolastic is not allowed to discontinue future distribution through a store based on a break in the street date. I used to work at a Target store and we had street dated material every week. If we broke it they are allowed to fine us obscene amounts of money ($5000 per copy of Windows XP sold before release date etc etc) but it was explicitly stated in the corprate material concerning new releases that they are not granted right to deny us future releases either in timing or quantity.

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