UK Critical Structures Targeted by Trojan Attacks 102
ElGanzoLoco writes "The UK's National Infrastructure Security Coordination Centre is reporting that key british infrastructures (government, telecom, transports, banks among others) are under attack by specific, targeted e-mail trojans. According to their report (PDF), 'the emails use social engineering to appear credible, with subject lines often referring to news articles that would be of interest to the recipient. In fact they are "spoofed", making them appear to originate from trusted contacts, news agencies or Government departments.'. The attackers are apparently trying to gather sensitive or secret data. While the NISCC has not been able to precisely trace the attacks' origins, most IPs seem to trace back to Far-East Asia."
Re:So are these the..? (Score:1, Funny)
lol? (Score:3, Interesting)
1) block these emails
2) educate staff to be aware of this atleast in the short-term
3) hold educated staff atleast partly responsible for any infections that result from this attack
4) we need to vote in a government that actually knows how to use a computer
Re:lol? (Score:1)
Re:lol? (Score:4, Interesting)
Imagine if the UK government stopped wasting vast amounts of money licensing windows for their end users and switched to something a little less bug ridden.
Re:lol? (Score:1)
Re:lol? (Score:1)
If this is a sustained attack: 1) block these emails
That's why they put out this warning so those responsible can do this
2) educate staff to be aware of this atleast in the short-term
That's why they put out this warning so those responsible can do this
3) hold educated staff atleast partly responsible for any infections that result from this attack
We do.
4) we need to vote in a government that actually knows how to use a computer
No arguments here.
Re:lol? (Score:2)
2. by targeting the virus to a limited range of targets, it's more difficult for the antivirus to find the new signatures for the virus
3. users in a protected enrivonment have a false sense of security making successful attacks more likely.
4. if the website is dead either law-enforcem
Re:lol? (Score:2, Funny)
Doesn't work (Score:2)
If I wasn't moral, I'd have been doing this crap since the early 90s. Luckily, so few people do it, that the FEDS could generally bust people by simply walking into the trap, then tracing the information.
The problem comes when the attack is from oversea. The feds want to bust them, but they people they wa
Re:Doesn't work (Score:1)
Block the IP from hitting up your SMTP servers, not the specific email address. These are not hackers, these are scammers. Scammers (and anybody else) are able to send you an email with a link that says "ebay.com" but in html says "231.12.255.255/fakeebay.cgi". They depend on uneducated people believing that
Re:lol? (Score:1)
And the Tories can? Besides most of the staff are non-politicals, changing governments won't change that.
Re:lol? (Score:2)
From those that brought you (Score:1)
Far East Asia? (Score:4, Interesting)
Although why woudl they want anything to do with the UK? Isnt it the USA thats their bete noir?
Re:Far East Asia? (Score:5, Funny)
Although why woudl they want anything to do with the UK? Isnt it the USA thats their bete noir?
Maybe they're after James Bond...
Re:Far East Asia? (Score:1)
Tracking something out of Asia is like tracking something in the black hole of Calcutta.
Re:Far East Asia? (Score:2)
web of trust
Re:Far East Asia? (Score:1)
So sending mass spoofed emails is what it takes to be a North Korean Super Hacker, eh? Now those are 1337 H@x0rz.
Re:Far East Asia? (Score:2)
Re:Far East Asia? (Score:2)
If ANY foreigner tries to attack a computer in the US, they know Dubya will freakin INVADE!
Re:Shocking (Score:1)
We have seen major phishing attemps on the big US corporations for a while now, and people have been faking mails from ebay and the banks and everywhere else.
Only now that UK organisations are targeted do they start moaning.
There should be a concerted effort to stamp out this kind of shit targeting whichever organisation WORLDWIDE, not just a namby pamby "oh look our companies is getting done over".
Organisations and ISPs should supply enough info
Re:Shocking (Score:2, Interesting)
We have seen major phishing attemps on the big US corporations for a while now, and people have been faking mails from ebay and the banks and everywhere else.
Only now that UK organisations are targeted do they start moaning.
There should be a concerted effort to stamp out this kind of shit targeting whichever organisation WORLDWIDE, not just a namby pamby "oh look our companies is getting done over". Organisations and ISPs should supply
Re:Shocking (Score:2, Insightful)
Political Spin? (Score:5, Insightful)
There's no doubt that these attacks will create a political spin, which could be their target in the first place. We all know there are many tensions between western and easter countries, particularly North Korea & China, and U.K. & U.S.A. This also goes hand-in-hand with previous stories saying there are highly skilled cracker armies in North Korea. I would say without a doubt that these are politically motivated.
Re:Political Spin? (Score:2, Interesting)
The british public will blame the government for the lack of security than blame N.Korea, et al for this.
Mind you, this may be good for Linux Adoption!
Wrong intent (Score:2)
Just like spam (Score:2, Informative)
like most spam seems to originate in China but in reality its American spam gangs [spamhaus.org] sending spam via China
iam sure this is no different
Re: (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Just like spam (Score:4, Informative)
China doesn't really care about through traffic, but about what their citizens are reading and writing. The "firewall" is just a wordplay, not a useful metaphor for how China manages its part of the net.
"Secret" data? (Score:5, Informative)
According to UK Government operational and configuration guidelines for classified system (primarily JSP440), any system containing CONFIDENTIAL or data with high protective marking just won't be connected to the internet so therefore won't get the mails and therefore won't be able to leak to the internet?
So how the hell would these PC leak SECRET data at all?
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2, Interesting)
IANA, but in my understanding if a PC is compromised by a trojan, there is a lot it can do. Now confidential data may only be held on secure systems, but what happens when Joe from upstairs needs a copy of this, and for ease of work Jim (with a compromised machine) emails it to him, after getting it manualy? A combination of social engineering and use of compromised machines could get you a plethora of sensitive information.
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
The program then needs to magically send data back out from the classified network to the internet, somehow. These networks (certainly all networks containing SECRET data and above) are physically disconnected from other networks and the internet, so I don't understand how this would occur....
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:1)
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
Sorry, are you saying 1) someone gets and e-mail, transfers it to the SECRET network and then someone runs a trojan or 2) that the unclassified network will contain SECRET data copied either accidentally or maliciously by users
If 1) then my comment stands - the data has no way to get out from the air-gapped SECRET network
If 2), then this would be surprising. Most government employees that have sufficient clearance and have been granted access to SECRET material on a need to know basis are pretty well i
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:1)
If 2), then this would be surprising. Most government employees that have sufficient clearance and have been granted access to SECRET material on a need to know basis are pretty well informed about the required Operating Procedures
I was assuming (yes, i know, assumptions...) that users are still going to converse, possibly about the sensitive data, and as such may leak through these trojans monitoring emails.
I think that makes sense.
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
Based upon work at a few highly secure sites, I am very confident that "business systems" networks don't knowingly contain protectively marked data, but I can imagine it happens accidentally from time to time. But in terabyte after terabyte of data on a non-classified network, it's going to be unlikely that a trojan just so happens to leak the protectively marked material.
I really had a lot of respect at how seriously DV people (the top clearance in UK) took protection of classified material. Even secre
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:1)
If they want to keep there job they won't do this, there are more secure ways that aren't much slower to get data to collegues. Also if someone wants data from the systems they need to supply a production request approved by the environment owner an approved e-mail request won't do.
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
I don't think he'd look too good in red. The black tuxedo is a good trademark for Bond.
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
On sites with this level of security, thumbdrives, floppies etc are prohibited items. All staff that access SECRET material will be DV cleared and acutely aware that breaching Operating Procedures will result in instant dismisal and possible prosecution under the OSA.
Seriously, in normal business having lapse security is usual. In facilities that contain SECRET or greater material, the IT & business staff are generally anal about securing data and IT systems. USB ports disabled or removed, all hard
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
By way of the user (Score:2)
By way of the user behind it
Who needs access to the actual data files when you can trick the person behind the machine into giving the data (be it the files, be it just some quotes/numbers, be it whatever) to you ?
That's how the vast majority of these things work after all.
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:3, Interesting)
Nor, for that matter, could they do what bits of the Armed Forces do - all emails to the outside world go to a special room where trained security operatives read the outbound email on one screen (a computer on the white netwo
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
Also it may be that somebody wants to turn an employee so putting him in financial difficulty or learning an embarassing personal secret can have great rewards.
Critical National Infrastructure (Score:2)
The Critical National Infrastructure is private infrastructures such as Water Boards/Eletricity, Electricity, banks etc, it doesnt carry anything approaching a secret classification.
The CNI is completely different from the GSI (government secure intranet) which links low level government departments and
and public authorities, police, hospitals, etc.
Those are also completely different and unconnected with the GDN (Government data network) which links confidential but lowish security government departments.
Re:"Secret" data? (Score:2)
Commercial organisations have plenty of small-ess secret data that others would be interested to see. Same goes for government. (Consider a typical leak of info on, say, transport dept plans for road charging (random example) to the press.
Disclaimer: I work for Messagelabs; read the Register story to see the connection.
There's a lot coming from 222.136.55.64 (Score:5, Informative)
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"Rejected mail, The original message was received at Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:05:12 +0800 from uniontrib.com [121.206.16.100]."
Actually its a trojan (a.COM) in a zip file.
Comes from 222.136.55.64 = China
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"RETURNED MAIL: SEE TRANSCRIPT FOR DETAILS"
Another from 222.136.55.64
I think they're just paranoid, we have nothing to do with security or government, yet we get these trojans all the time too.
Re:There's a lot coming from 222.136.55.64 (Score:2)
Disclaimer: I work for Messagelabs (hint: we have our own in-house scanning technologies that work differently to typical a/v, and... well,
Doesn't seem to be any different (Score:2)
That NISCC advisory exactly describes exactly what I'm seeing. Even down to the 'newspaper article' reference, e.g. the one I shows as an example was from uniontrib.com = San Diego Union Tribune.
I don't see the difference, what they describe is exactly what is normal for this sort of attack, custom backdoor variants, social engineering, website or attachment delivery, sender spoofed, IP address typically Asian.
What exactly is this 'critical infrastructure' that
Oh and 221.227.27.154 China too (Score:2)
Re:Doesn't seem to be any different (Score:2)
It's clear that 'critical infrastructure' in this context doesn't just mean nuclear power-stations or the electricity grid any more. Of course such SCADA systems, and the NSA systems and the classified milit
Except critical = indispensable (Score:2)
So intangible things, economic confidence etc. aren't critical because you can live without them. (and given the state of the US$ you ARE living without economic confidence right now!).
Knock a bank off the Internet, what happens? Nothing, Citibank website was down recently, I used the telephone banking instead!
"The business model, and hence attack strategy, adopted by the present attackers is significantly differnt,"
Except it is
Re:Except critical = indispensable (Score:2)
The threat to economic confidence is a lot more significant than "a recession". Personally I've lived through 3 recessions in the UK in my lifetime, none were much fun and all of them killed people. Even if we were talking about the ability to
Re:Except critical = indispensable (Score:2)
So you're suggesting you can have a recession *AND* have economic confidence at the same time? If thats so why aren't people investing during a recession? You write as though they're unlinked.
"Personally I've lived through 3 recessions in the UK in my lifetime, none were much fun and all of them killed people."
And I've seen people kill themselves over a tax bill.
I believe lack of economic confidence is a tiny thing, and *te
Re:Except critical = indispensable (Score:2)
I'm talking about a much more profound loss of confidence in the economic systems than the temporary belief that one's better off sticking money on deposit or into bonds than into equities for a few years (ie a recession.) If people weren't investing during a recession there would be no employment and hence no economy. (If I pay you to sweep the st
China and Russia according to Radio 4 (Score:5, Interesting)
No mention of North Korean superhackers, I was a little disappointed :-)
British government hit by spam! Declares emergency (Score:5, Insightful)
Maybe the "far eastern" enemies think I'm part of the British government? Oh yeah. That's going to be GREAT!
No more of those "reboot and see if it fixes the problem" comments. Now it has to be "fully investigated". But I already do that.
Wow, my email system is more "secure" than the British governments! Who would have guessed!
Re:British government hit by spam! Declares emerge (Score:2)
This is fucking retarded. (Score:1, Redundant)
Re:This is fucking retarded. (Score:1)
Yes I know how capitalism works, I just think the government is generally an exception.
Re:This is fucking retarded. (Score:1)
Re:This is fucking retarded. (Score:1)
And yes, they use Outlook. Until Mozilla Lightning comes out there won't really be any viable options.
But what really has to happen is for a drop-in replacement for MS Exchange with it's calendaring, groups, etc.
From what I recall, the Mozilla folks are working on that but it's a project thats 5 years down the pike.
SANS Community (Score:4, Informative)
British or Global problem? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:British or Global problem? (Score:2)
Send in Austin Powers, he knows Trojans (Score:5, Funny)
Why on Earth are these machines running Win32? (Score:2, Interesting)
Maybe I am missing something, but why do the Brit spooks perform classified work and put secret documents on Windows machines? If
Re:Why on Earth are these machines running Win32? (Score:2, Insightful)
We're sick of it just like everyone else is, it's just that we can't do anything. We all opposed a war yet we still took part for example.
People have given up on politics and the government has given up on common sense and the citizens.
Re:Why on Earth are these machines running Win32? (Score:1)
Targeted Attacks (Score:1)
Given past experience.... (Score:1, Funny)
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nope.. (Score:1)
Ahh Social Engineering (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Ahh Social Engineering (Score:1)
We now have a system where it doesn't take a big investment to make a perfect impression. Just about anybody with any machine can easily produce web content that is at least equal to, and in many cases, far superior to what corporate entities can do ( as corporate entities are likely to use canned authoring solutions that are a thinly veiled coercion to force the public to use an OS which is compatible with them. ) Exact replicas of corporate logos are mad
increase this week (Score:1)
Acts of War (Score:2)
US ATTACKS BRITAIN OVER RELEASE OF DOWNING STREET (Score:1)
Sleep with a dog, wake up with fleas (Score:2)
Re: UK targeted by foreign attack (Score:1)