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Spam Capital of the World 213

Posted by timothy from the at-least-of-the-U.S. dept.
ermita2 writes "The South Florida Sun-Sentinel published this weekend a story about how South Florida is home to more spammers than any other place in the world according to Spamhaus. The reason for that seems to be Florida's long history and friendliness with dirty business from real estate speculation to the penny stock scammers. Among the interesting tidbits is anecdotal evidence that the amount of spam worldwide fell for a while after last year's hurricanes in Florida."
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  • Great now we have a target. (Score:5, Funny)

    by jellomizer ( 103300 ) * on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:26PM (#12469083)
    So if we hit florada with some bombs then we should be spam free right?

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    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:26PM (#12469084)
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    • and don't forget... PIRATES!!!! Aarrrrrgh!

    • South Florida is DEM territory. (Score:5, Informative)

      by mosel-saar-ruwer ( 732341 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:49PM (#12469275)

      South Florida is home to more spammers than any other place in the world...

      Don't forget the Bush family...

      South Florida is Democrat territory [mostly transplanted NYers and NJers] and went overwhelmingly Gore. Republican strength is in North Florida, which, for all intents and purposes, is an entirely different state.

      By the way, real estate swindling is a long time source of Democrat wealth [John Zaccaro, husband of Geraldine Ferraro; Richard Blum, husband of Diane Feinstein; etc], which is the primary reason why Federal, State, and Local zoning laws and "environmental" regulations exist in the first place [to defend the interests of the landed gentry, and crooked Tony Soprano-esque insiders who can game the system].

      We could also take some time to review the history of penny stock swindlers, like FDR's bootlegger cum-Nazi apologist ambassador to Great Britain, but this reply is getting kinda long-winded.

      • South Florida is Democrat territory [mostly transplanted NYers and NJers] and went overwhelmingly Gore. Republican strength is in North Florida, which, for all intents and purposes, is an entirely different state.

        True that N. Florida is the bottom of the Bible Belt, but your summation of S. Florida as all transplants from NY is dated. They definitely exist in large numbers, but so do native Republicans. And then there is the enormous first and second generation Cuban community, which Jeb has more-or-les
        • In Florida and Texas they have a homestead exemption, so if you do file for bankruptcy you cannot be forced to sell your home. IIRC Texas has a it a little more easy in that they also cover some land larger then that in a standard housing lot.
      • 2000 Election results from CNN:
        Bush 2,909,176 (49%)
        Gore 2,907,451 (49%)

        2004 Election results from the Washington Post:

        George W. Bush 3,955,656 (52%)
        John F. Kerry 3,574,509 (47%)
        Other 61,618 (1%)

        49% of the state voted Republican in 2000. 52% in 2004.

        In South Florida, only Broward, Miami/Dade and Palm Beach counties voted Democrat and Kerry lead Bush by only 6% of the votes in Miami/Dade.

        More info here: http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/ [cnn.com]

        • Spam and politics (Score:4, Interesting)

          by GQuon ( 643387 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @02:58PM (#12469753) Journal
          From your comment: "In South Florida, only Broward, Miami/Dade and Palm Beach counties voted Democrat and Kerry lead Bush by only 6% of the votes in Miami/Dade."

          From the article in the story (TFA): "Together, Broward, Palm Beach and Miami-Dade counties are home to more spammers than any country on Earth. "

          (my emphasis)

          Ooops :-)

          Correlation isn't necessarily correlation, but I found it rather funny that they were the same counties. :-)
          • I see your point.

            So, if I'm to understand correctly, the majority of "small-time" criminals are Democrat. I guess that would leave the Big Leagues to the Republicans?

      • What, exactly, is a "cum-Nazi"?

        No, wait... I don't want to know. Nevermind.
    • There's Disney, too. Gotta love corporations that sue pre-schools.
  • ``I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.''

  • Hurricanes are evidence........ (Score:5, Funny)

    by ARRRLovin ( 807926 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:26PM (#12469086)
    .....that even God hates spam.

  • God Hates Spammers (Score:5, Funny)

    by Jeremy.DeGroot ( 878927 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:28PM (#12469095)
    South Florida is so notorious that some experts attributed a short-term decline in global spam after last year's hurricanes to the assumption that the storms disrupted spammers' operations.

    There is a just and loving god after all!

  • solution (Score:1, Insightful)

    by cryptoz ( 878581 )
    So...all we have to do is take away the right of everyone down there to use a computer and our spam problem will be solved!

    Okay, seriously though. Spam exists for a reason. It exists because it works. So, why is there *so* much emphasis on trying to kill the spam from the source rather than educating people? Because if people just *knew* not to buy things from e-mail (have you EVER seen a legal warning that says "Caution: Buying products through e-mail is dangerous and stupid"? Didn't think so.).

    I swe

    • Re:solution (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Jaiwithani ( 835259 )
      Economics problem - spam is profitable as long as 0.01% of the spammed masses buy the pills. As long as there are just a few idiots buying into the crap, we all get spammed.

      • Re:solution (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Prof.Phreak ( 584152 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:43PM (#12469226) Homepage
        Economics problem - spam is profitable as long as 0.01% of the spammed masses buy the pills. As long as there are just a few idiots buying into the crap, we all get spammed.

        Or maybe it's just stupid wanna-be spammers who think that? So one spammer spams the world for a few weeks, doesn't make anything, and moves on. Then another spammer thinks ``wow, this is a great business model'', and spams the world for a few weeks, doesn't make anything, and moves on. And so the cycle repeats.

        • Re:solution (Score:4, Informative)

          by jschottm ( 317343 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @07:18PM (#12471633)
          Some spam is indeed like that. But if you look at the records/discussions of anti-spam groups, you'll see that a very large portion of the spam sent from people in .us comes from a relatively small number of individuals.

      • Re:solution (Score:4, Informative)

        by azaris ( 699901 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:45PM (#12469244) Journal

        Economics problem - spam is profitable as long as 0.01% of the spammed masses buy the pills. As long as there are just a few idiots buying into the crap, we all get spammed.

        The spammers aren't making a profit selling physical products, they're making a profit selling spamming services. The best ones usually have a huge network of contacts where small businesses buy "opt-in mailing campaigns" or some such rubbish from a third party, who then subcontract someone to harvest or buy a list from the Internet and then give it to a another spammer who sends the actual spam. The end result is that the product seller is inundated by angry e-mails but has no idea what happened (plausable deniability) and the only one who gets anything out of it is the spammer.

        • Re:solution (Score:2, Informative)

          by Anonymous Coward
          See this piece from Wired:

          http://www.wired.com/news/infostructure/0,1377,576 13,00.html [wired.com]

          Spam is one big pyramid scheme.
      • Then the solution is obvious. Tax e-mail. It wouldn't be much, say 1p each. Less than the cost of a text-message by far. It wouldn't hurt normal users, but would make spamming non-profitable, thereby removing the problem. The tax money could be used to abolish the tax on alcohol and tobacco.

    • Re:solution (Score:3, Interesting)

      by ximenes ( 10 )
      I don't think that the problem is really people buying spam-advertised products. In the last year, I have received about 30,000 spam messages.

      Of these, I would estimate 80% are in a language other than English, so I can't buy anything from them (and who knows what they're even about). That leaves 6,000 messages.

      About 75% of these don't have a product that I could actually purchase. Viagara e-mails with no URLs and that sort of thing (I have no idea why these message are even sent out in the first place).

  • So everything is fine, because .. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by RedLaggedTeut ( 216304 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:29PM (#12469105) Homepage Journal
    =>burning of fossile fuels(C+2O=CO2)
    =>global warming
    =>more hurricanes in Florida
    =>less spammers
    =>less spam

  • Is it too late (Score:4, Funny)

    by The FooMiester ( 466716 ) <goimir&endlesshills,org> on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:30PM (#12469107) Homepage Journal
    Is it too late to sell them back to the Spanish?
    • We could invoke the lemon law (pun intended)!

  • Nuclear option? (Score:3, Funny)

    by platypibri ( 762478 ) <platypibri AT gmail DOT com> on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:30PM (#12469111) Homepage Journal
    I mean, come on. If ever there was justifiable collateral damage, wouldn't this be damn near it.

    • Re:Nuclear option? (Score:2, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      and social security would be solvent for another 50 years
  • ...has a special tag just for Florida...

    • Why, cause Drew Curtis isn't funny and his fanboys rip all their jokes off of Something Awful six months after they die? Fark still seems to think that Photoshopping Ackbar into an image is the pinnacle of comedy.

  • Florida is for business (Score:5, Interesting)

    by esconsult1 ( 203878 ) * on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:32PM (#12469123) Homepage Journal
    If you ever lived in Florida, then you know that its one of those states that is so thoroughly corporate that residents don't have too many options than to toe the line of conformity.

    All the building codes, regulations, and sundry laws seem to favor corporations above everything else. Its one of those places you'll find scammers, shady SEO consultants and search engines, and yes... spammers.


    • I live in Broward county, and I can back that up, at least for southeast Florida. Retirees are moving farther up north, and to the gulf coast. Same sunny climate but fewer idiots. People move down here to southeast florida for one reason: To get their hands on as much money as they possibly can in any way possible, and not let go. And thanks to our (quite libertarian, economically) laws, this is the best place to do just that.

      Not coincidentally, this is probably the most cosmopolitan place I've ever l

  • Why do we tolerate these businesses? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:34PM (#12469141)
    So, we do have some control over these people?

    Why do we voters tolerate these businesses that bring nothing to the economy except for to the few only at the expense of the unwilling many and their time? Like telemarketers used to be such a PITA(got much less since the National Do-Not-Call lists), we should follow suit and push laws that shut down these people if they do it within the US.

    If they want to yell Freedom of Speech, let them build a website I may or may not choose to go.
  • Well, we can get DNSBLs that will block China, Korea, Nigeria, Argintina and Brazil. When will one be availiable to block all mail from the US?

    Michael
  • anecdotal evidence that the amount of spam worldwide fell for a while after last year's hurricanes in Florida

    They had to wait till the sewers were drained back to normal levels

  • ...when I piss in the water at Sanibel Island. Screw you spammers.

    IronChefMorimoto
    • ...when I piss in the water at Sanibel Island. Screw you spammers.

      Dude, I was chillen out there and stuck my feet in the water at Sanibel and I never sent you a single email. I'm gonna kick sand on your towel if I ever come across it. And may the spams of a thousand bot-nets infest your email box.

  • I think it would have been great to seize some spammer's bank accounts after the hurricanes last year to help devastated families rebuild.

    "What do you mean that I have no insurance or money to rebuild my South Beach home? They did what? Seized what accounts? Why? Found out I'm a spammer? Who the hell...what?! My last $1 million in spam profits is going to rebuild a church? Where? Isn't that a swamp? DAMMIT!"

    IronChefMorimoto

  • Con Men and Crooks (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Detritus ( 11846 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:40PM (#12469193) Homepage
    If you ever get the chance, see The Cocoanuts [imdb.com], starring the Marx brothers. Its backdrop is the great Florida land boom/swindle of the 1920s, which attracted con men and crooks from across the nation. Now their great-grandchildren are spamming us.

  • Personal Story (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:41PM (#12469204)
    I wrote this last year in my 'blog:

    It's not everyday that you get a phone call from a sleazy spammer. I was just filling out some forms and this random guy (apparently) from Miami, Florida calls me up. He asked about my BotBlock service, or rather how to override it. Turns out he wants to pay me "any amount you want" to make a software that can bypass the image-verification (CAPTCHA) used by TicketMaster. He told me his "competition" was overtaking him and he was willing to pay me $5,000 to make such an application. Best of all, if I was feeling lonely, he could send me a hot woman any time of the day. I politely told him, "I'm sorry Sir but I think I'll have to hang up now. Please do not call again."

    The world of mafia and money launderers of the yester years used to be a world of machismo, bravado, and to a certain extent glamour. While the neighborhood mobster is mostly a thing of the past, street-corner spammers are dime a dozen and each is trying every under-handed trick to oust the other. There is nothing smooth or sauve about trying to peddle cheap sexual aids or promote low-budget vacations to islands that don't exist. I think even the spammers themselves will agree that they are almost the scum of the planet, slightly above child molestors and rapists.

    Tonight I had this guy asking me if I could write a ground-breaking software (image recognition is not cakewalk) so he can hoarde tickets illegally and spam mailboxes around the world with filth. Of course I said NO! I will never EVER on any conditions do anything to promote spam. Hell I wrote BotBlock to prevent it! Come to think of it, the genius asked me how to bypass BotBlock! I wanted to say, "What the hell do you think I am??? As dumb as you???" But then, last thing I want to do is piss off a spammer who will only enjoy harassing me. So I just acted polite and hung up.

    I have a decent job and a bright career to look foward to so even the slightest dealings with these tarts will taint me forever. But what about the recently laid off, newly-married programmer who has bills, loans, and rent to pay? That's the guy to watch out for. I think the blame lies not only with these slimy spammers but also with smart programmers without jobs. It's no wonder so many hackers (well crackers) are from Russia, where the minds are young and bright but their future is bleak and dark. I'm pretty certain that the spammers are already working in tandem with programmers from all over the world but I wonder if there's anything anyone can do to stop them. Well other than making better blocking and filtering software. I think I'll stick to that for now. /been an AC lurker since 2000. Maybe I should get an account :)
    • he could send me a hot woman any time of the day.

      I like mine best around 9am or so, if the offer still stands...

    • It's not everyday that you get a phone call from a sleazy spammer. I was just filling out some forms and this random guy (apparently) from Miami, Florida calls me up. He asked about my BotBlock service, or rather how to override it. Turns out he wants to pay me "any amount you want" to make a software that can bypass the image-verification (CAPTCHA) used by TicketMaster. He told me his "competition" was overtaking him and he was willing to pay me $5,000 to make such an application. Best of all, if I was fee
    • I had someone try to hire me to write some spam software once. They contacted me via email, but it was a personalized msg, clearly to me, not part of a mass mailing. And at first, they didn't tell me what they wanted - they wanted to hire a programmer for a do-it-at-home project. But once they started explaining what they wanted, I could see the part they weren't coming out and saying. And then when I started checking, I figured out who it was. I couldn't find any good way to do anything about it thoug
    • Don't be bashful. Guys like that think that there are no consequences to exposing themselves to decent folk. Show him that decent folk still get remarkably pissed off. To wit:

      You should invite him to a public park to discuss the matter.

      Then knock him out with a taser and then ether.

      Then pile him into a car trunk.

      Then take the car to a cash-only motel. Unload him into the room you rented for a couple of hours.

      Then make some cuts on each back/side of his body right by his kidneys. Stich th
  • I sometimes get the feeling that if someoner we could suddenly eliminate Florida and New Jersey, we'rid ourselves of an extremely large percentage of the sleaze in this country. It seems almost every time I've had dealing with a company that's operating just barely outside the law, it's in NJ or FL. I'm not implying that everyone who lives there is sleaze. Just that sleaze is more likely to live there. :) Now don't get me started on DC...
    • Ahh New Jersey is not that bad, I think you have to get rid of some sleazy oil barons and the filth regarding US corporations generally, remove the legalized corruption which the current campaign funding in reality is and everything is well again.
  • In general, it's best to avoid buying online from companies in Florida, even if they're not spammers. The overall level of criminality is just too high.

  • Not quite an answer (Score:4, Interesting)

    by zappepcs ( 820751 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:46PM (#12469256) Journal
    Well, Florida does seem to harbor scammers of almost every kind, but removing all computers from Florida won't even begin to stem the tide of spam in your e-mail inbox.

    Because of the very design (or lack of) of the Internet, it is not possible to locate and eliminate the source of spam with anything near 100% efficacy.

    The only answer is not a single answer, but many small efforts to both block, and eliminate spam. There are currently laws to prosecute spammers, but the governments of the world are more or less impotent when it comes to catching and stopping spammers. Like any good scammer, they are always looking for loopholes and workarounds for anything that is put in their way.

    Only education and a concerted global community effort will stop them. They are obviously making money or they wouldn't bother to send out that spam. Really, they don't send it just to irritate you or I, they send it because there are smucks in the world that click on the links and hand over cash for whatever is being sold.

    The real way to stop SPAM is by using an approach that includes everything we know or will know about stopping it:

    -Educating users to press delete first
    -Hardened mail servers
    -OSS based instant notification to the global community of new spam identifiers
    -OSS based listing of spam identifiers, with something like /. to identify an email/content as spam, and given enough karma on it, all other subscribers can add it to their filtering lists
    -Actual use of white and black lists by default on e-mail clients
    -many many more mail servers scanning emails, even small modem sized proxies doing it for home users

    and the list goes on. Until we are furiously implementing all methods instead of looking for one killer app to get rid of spam, it will exist.

    Just 2 cents worth
    • There are underpaid or out of work techies all over the world who want to make $$$ from home.

      The thing is that if somebody offers a product over the Internet, they want paying. You don't get V1agra or C1alis for free!

      In the end a Spamming business needs bank accounts and in particular, card clearing services. Sure, technical solutions can help but it is an Arms Race. The best way is surely to close down their source of funds, or at least make it uneconomic for them to work over the internet.

  • Block all Internet traffic to/from Florida until they learn to behave.
    • Oh really... And what would you suggest being done about the 12 level-3 conduits and the 5 or 6 williams pipes a few miles from my house ? And what exactly would you propose about the IXC pipes about 6 miles in the other direction. And none of this addresses the AT&T/MCI/Sprint pipes.

      Speaking of AT&T... there is the most curious AT&T facility about 40-ish miles from me. On a little country road, built into the side of a low hill. A big tall microwave/cell tower on top and 3 HUGE gensets under

  • 5 Hurricanes... (Score:2, Redundant)

    by Comatose51 ( 687974 )
    5 hurricanes, God's pissed off at you South Florida! I heard hurricane season is about to start again soon... Repent now!

    (I can say this because I'm from S. Florida.)

  • Old news. (Score:5, Informative)

    by alanw ( 1822 ) * <alan@wylie.me.uk> on Sunday May 08, 2005 @01:51PM (#12469295) Homepage
    It has long been known that Boca Raton is the spam-haven of the world. A google groups for the place in group:news.admin.net-abuse.email turns up 1,230 hits.

    See, for example, this media report in the South Florida Sun-Sentinel [google.co.uk] from Mar 24, 2003, or this one [google.co.uk] from Oct 10 2001, asking

    What is wrong with the Boca Raton, Plantation, et. al. area of FL that it has such a high density of shameless and unrepentant spammers?

    One of the reputed reasons spammers find it attractive, as mentioned in the article are the lenient bankruptcy laws which prevent the spammer's house from being reposessed.

    • Know any backhoe operators in Boca Raton?
    • I used to live in Boca Raton.

      It is home to the rudest, most obnoxious, egocentric, opportunistic, agressive, materialistc scumbags I've ever met. And that only describes the people who *would* give you the time of day.
  • that the governour does something about it, but wait... who was governour again?
  • ...am I the only one who has received some 30 pump an dump stock spam scams from Wysak Petroleum?
    (Yap Internation and Emerson Oil & Gas aren't far behind.) I've copied enforcement@sec.gov on all my spamcop comlaints, so far without avail.

    If anyone has a good e-mail address to get their domain yanked, that would be a good start. Here's the DNS info:

    wysak.com
    Registrant: Domains by Proxy, Inc.
    DomainsByProxy.com
    15511 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
    Scottsdale, Arizona 85260 United States
    Registered through:

  • You mean (Score:3, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 08, 2005 @02:04PM (#12469384)
    ...America's wang is always trying to make mine bigger?
  • I mean if you consider that recently Jeb Bush legalized the use of firearm in public as long as one feel his live is endangered [foxnews.com], the spam capital of the world, a primary entry point for most of the drug in the US [usdoj.gov]...

    And it's governor another Bush, what a great american family...
    • ...that it's hard to argue that a spammer has somehow endangered your life.

      So you'll need a good story in advance, and no witnesses.
    • I suspect that part of his motivation for that is the 3 or 4 people a year who have alligators come into their houses during mating season. They shoot the alligators and are subsequently prosecuted for discharging a firearm within city limits. Although this law seems more geared toward human criminals, I suspect that its main application will be for reptile ones.
    • What the hell do firearms have to do with a "crookland?" Troll. Just because you don't agree with one decision with the governor doesn't mean "Florida is deffinitelly a crookland."
      Last time I checked Washington DC leads the nation in violence and firearms are banned out right there.
    • Also, you jackass; do you think geography might possibly have something to do with Florida being a "primary entry point for most of the drugs in the US?"
      No wait, it's Jeb Bush.... That MUST be it. Liberals are bad enough but then you have stupid liberal trolls... Then again you might just be bashing Bush. Too bad you're so incompetent at it.
  • Methinks the Sun-Sentinel will soon regret having a reg-free "post your comments" board attached to an article that just got Slashdotted.

    "Marge? What in the world does '133t Hax0r' mean?"

  • They are making theory not fact.

    With so many ISP's, and Customers that report spam OFFLINE in florida it would make perfect sense that the rate of reported spam would drop!!!

    Granted im not saying Spam is not a major source of spam, just that there theory has no backing and is has a major flaw in its thought.

  • Job interview (Score:5, Funny)

    by digitalhermit ( 113459 ) on Sunday May 08, 2005 @03:27PM (#12469936) Homepage
    I live in sunny S. Florida... Last year I had a phone interview that went something like:

    Interviewer: So tell me what you know about mail?

    Me: Well, I've configured dozens of mail servers. I've configured everything from the DNS down to the spam filtering software.

    Interviewer: Spam filtering software?

    Me: All aspects. I can configure software such as SpamAssassin and of course hard Postfix and Sendmail against lots of spam attacks. Depending on what the customer wants, I can set it up to be super aggressive or not.

    Interviewer: So you don't agree with the practice?

    Me: Man, I hate spam. These people don't realize the headaches that it can cause. I wish they'd get some fungus that science hasn't heard about yet.

    [snip]

    Interviewer: So any questions that you'd like to ask us?

    Me: There are a couple. Things such as salary and of course the job description. The headhunter was a little vague.

    Interviewer: We're an, umm, direct marketing association.

    Me: Direct marketing?

    Interviewer: Yeah, we send email to people who have expressed an interest in our products.

    Me: [light beginning to flicker on] So how do you know they're interested?

    Interviewer: They have visited related sites...

    The interview pretty went south from there. He finally told me that I perhaps wasn't the best candidate for the position. I agreed.
    • Hmm, a few weeks ago, somebody phoned and asked whether I can send mass mail for him. I commented that I can send the mail alright, but I am pretty sure that it won't get through my mass mail filters. It took him a little while to understand...
  • "The reason for that seems to be Florida's long history and friendliness with dirty business from real estate speculation to the penny stock scammers."

    ...not to mention corrupt law enforcement, massive election fraud (1876, 2000, 2004), a large percentage of the nation's collection agencies, corrupt school board officials, Disneyland, you name it. Florida is a festering pot of swill that doesn't deserve to be a state in my Union. (And technically isn't.)

  • i like s florida
    for its shamelessness
    and the girls are gorgeous
    and the club scene is great in miami
    and people drive nice cars
    and the golf courses are nice
    and the water is bright frikkin' blue

    i sympathize with the spammers ... who wants to work hard in the sunshine?

    only the hurricanes are a bummer

    and imho if the world has to have a spam capital, I'd rather have it here in the US than abroad -- spam isn't going to disappear if we clear up South Florida

    read this fun slate article [msn.com] about election fraud and
  • All Major mail servers should block South Korea until their government takes action to following:

    http://www.spamcop.net/w3m?action=inprogress [spamcop.net]

    Its dynamic statistic. Kornet and Hananet.

    Government action is: Mail servers, servers are SHUT DOWN until businesses PROVE they are legit/non spammer business, servers patched, force ISP buy whatever security service needed, price not asked.

    As a spam reporting guy, believe me when I say it. Those ISP's are in a point of S. Korea congress/parliament whatever heari

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