Eisenstadt's Analysis Of 8 Years' Worth Of Email 230
Hylton writes "Thought this might be of interest: Marc Eisenstadt's saved every email he's gotten over the past eight years, including spam, and run an analysis of it."
"Facts are stupid things." -- President Ronald Reagan (a blooper from his speeach at the '88 GOP convention)
Apparently the analysis is still running (Score:5, Funny)
Spam (Score:5, Funny)
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I need a bigger penis
I need teen sluts who suck **** on webcams
And apparently I shouldn't be telling anyone this but this nice man in nigeria , who is the lawyer in charge of my long lost grand father mutambi wikimbo is trying to get me $5 million american dollars but I have to pay a tax of $5 thousand american dollars to nigeria and he will gladly handle it for me.What a swell guy.
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hmm. maybe we share a grandfather
Mods On Crack (M.O.C.) (Score:3, Insightful)
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Remembering when.. (Score:5, Funny)
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As I recall the first porn Spam I got was for 7 year old girls. I'm still sick about that one. (That was before I developed strong defenses to not read all of a short email before figuring out what it meant. It slows me down, but now I don't get as sick over email)
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Not very much (Score:5, Insightful)
Even so, I have 2 folders with over 9000 Emails in them. My work Inbox alone has 1015. None of these are spam - I filter those out through a combination of SpamAssassin and manual filtering.
Anyways - my point is that the numbers in this article are small potatoes. He talks about 250 Emails in a week - I easily get 300 -400 Emails **a day**, probably 40-50 of which are directly work related, the other 350 related to various other side projects of mine, so they are just as important.
I would say I read around 25-50% of my Emails. The rest I only give a cursory scan. His numbers for reply times are way off for a number of reasons:
- Hardly anyone replies to every email they recieve. Most of it needs no reply.
- He basically says that the time spent reading the emails and responding is a waste. Well, what do you think managers did to communicate with you before email? You had faxes, daily memos, daily reports to file... it is just more streamlined now. It is not like this stuff is new.
Newsflash - work is difficult. People are distracting to your work. Shit happens. Deal with it, just like everyone else has for the past 150 years.
Re:Not very much (Score:2, Insightful)
You have a good point about it being more streamlined... however, I suspect that since e-mail is easier to send than a memo, fax, etc, etc, there would be more e-mails than the other mediums in the past. Also, more of them seem to be written with less thought put in. You always hear stories about people wishing they hadn't sent that e-mail or how the number errors in e-mails vs memos, etc are so much greater. If there are indead more errors in e-mails, does a poo
Re:Not very much (Score:2)
I would say I read around 25-50% of my Emails. The rest I only give a cursory scan. ... He basically says that the time spent reading the emails and responding is a waste. Well, what do you think managers did to communicate with you before email? You had faxes, daily memos, daily reports to file... it is just more streamlined now. It is not like this stuff is new.
Spot on. I love email. I dislike telephone calls, and I hate them when I'm doing work. I followed the Eisenstadt's link where Donald Knuth e
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i have a catch all tld i use to watch. signup like kjamez-slashdot@tld.com which comes to all the same box, so when i start getting unsolicited emails to kjamez-slashdot@tld.com from random people, i can at least see the origin to some degree. i do the same with magazine subscriptions and credit cards and the like. all slight variations on my real name, some e
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Re:hah (Score:2)
So you're telling us you're not a comcast subscriber?
Indeed (Score:4, Insightful)
I will never buy anything from spam, and whoever does has got to be a complete moron.
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Wouldn't they know if your email address is good by the fact that it wasn't rejected as an invalid address?
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> Wouldn't they know if your email address is good by the fact that it wasn't rejected as an invalid address?
It verifies that the user has read the spam. There are a lot of old inactivate email addresses on the web, which still exist but are never read. This way the spammer knows that their spam is actually being viewed by a user, and not just wasting space
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This way the spammer knows that their spam is actually being viewed by a user, and not just wasting space in an inbox.
*sniffle* I didn't know they cared!
Re:Indeed (Score:3, Interesting)
I've given up trying to not get spam, I filter it instead. Usually it's aroung ~400-500 spams/day.
I've only saved all my legitimate email for the last 10 years though
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The domains I use for email arn't even up right now, and I'm using gmail these days anyway. I had been using 'throwaway' emails for everything, and then a spammer started jo-jobbing me. Meaning that they started using fake addresses @mydomain. So I was getting tons and tons of bounce messages. It was awful.
These spammers are horrible people, but they're not even close to stu
Re:Indeed (Score:2)
I know of no country that has stated it is illegal to obtain email addresses this way. Sending emails to the addresses after you've collected them this way may be illegal in some countries like the US, but collecting them is certainly not.
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Reading that back though you could apply that to spam itself, at a pinch... you'd need a good lawyer though.
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But starting last summer, maybe 9 months ago, some spammers realized they had an untapped (fools') gold mine to plunder, and my simple little home domain has been receiving more and more spam to accounts that don't exist, like b
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http://www.postfix.org/LOCAL_RECIPIENT_README.h
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What had happened was that some joker thought it would be a massively successful sales technique to send th
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Two words:
Add those to your setup and see that drop to about 30-40. Let SpamAssassin clean up the rest and forget about it.
Hotmail (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Hotmail (Score:2)
Saves me time.
Re:Hotmail (Score:3, Funny)
Really? What's your email?
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Raymond Chen's Analysis... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Einstein? (Score:5, Funny)
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every month on lug radio (Score:5, Insightful)
That's what anti-spam laws should be targeting, the morons who use the services offered by spammers.
Re:every month on lug radio (Score:3, Informative)
Funny thing is, they don't necessarily make money from people buying it, but rather the people advertising it. "Give me $10,000, and I'll get your message out to 10,000 people!" "Okay! That's a lot cheaper than buying a banner on a big site!" (Note: The numbers are made up.)
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Referall rewards != Amway. Besides, that's not what irony means. Perhaps if I had said "It's all a huge scam" and if Ferion were actually what you claim it to be, you could call me a hypocrite.
Re:every month on lug radio (Score:3, Interesting)
Ferion: "It's free to play"
Amway: "Make $10,000 a week!"
Ferion: "well actually, it's only free to play if you sucker other people into paying for you."
Amway: "well actually, you can only make $10,000 a week if you sucker other people into selling for you."
Re:every month on lug radio (Score:2)
Actually, there is a free game. Pay a little money, the game gets better. Refer somebody, they pay, you get a small reward. Referal program. Simple.
To anybody that's bothering to read this, I'll give you an example: Right now, Slashdot is free. If you pay for a subscription, you get bonus features like seeing stories sooner. Imagine if Slashdot were to say "okay, if somebo
Re:every month on lug radio (Score:2)
"Q: Is Ferion free?
A: Yes and No, We allow you to trial Ferion unlimited. This means you can join any game at Ferion for free, without costs.. Once you are doing well you will run into a limitation in the techtree, we ask a small fee to remove the limit."
In that respect, it's like Quake 3's demo version. You can play it jus
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That's a bit of a stretch, dont'cha think?
a.) You can play the game at no cost. It's better if you pay for it. Any game or service is like that.
b.) If that's your definition of Amway, then is Slashdot included as well? I mean, afterall, ppl can get the stories sooner, comment on them quicker, and
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GMail (Score:5, Interesting)
Google should have such a program, there should be a preference in you GMail account, where you can allow
(Thinks about what has just said, and puts tinfoil hat on)
ALMAFUERTE
So he.... (Score:4, Funny)
Back in the old days... (Score:5, Funny)
I remember when I never had any Korean friends.
I remember a time when I went to the pharmacist for a drug I needed, not the pharmacist asking me which drugs I wanted to buy online.
I remember when consolidating a loan was a big decision instead of "just a click away!".
I remember a time where when I left high school, there was no chance in hell I'd ever have to hear from those nitwits again.
God, I miss those days.
Re:Back in the old days... (Score:5, Funny)
So, would you like to buy some ink cartidges?
Re:Back in the old days... (Score:2)
Some advice.. Don't bother with any SPAM offer. They are out to rook you.. Instead Google search. Then do your homework.
It took me 2 weeks to decide on an ink supplier. They provided all the nessary inofrmation about my printer and cartridges. The Forum was great. I learned the common pitfalls. I bought a small trial amount at first. I'm now on my 3rd order of several pints of ink. (the cost of a pint of ink is less than the price as a cartridge!) A
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Some of us are happy with our bodies just the way they are.
If you think this article is about spam, read end (Score:5, Interesting)
He's questioning the entire technology of email as an effective way of communicating.
Analyzes not just the spam-count in his email, but the work-time needed to respond to the non-spam emails, too.
This is one of the most thought-provoking articles posted on Slashdot in a long time.
Re:If you think this article is about spam, read e (Score:5, Insightful)
I work for a company on the other side of the globe.. couldn't do that without email. I also support an opensource project with 10,000 downloads a week... that generates 'a few' support queries
Re:If you think this article is about spam, read e (Score:3, Interesting)
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Old Mail Saved... (Score:2)
But running a scan on it wouldn't do much use, since I culled all the spam manually over the years...
Shows value of backups (Score:2, Informative)
I felt like I lost a part of my past...
Goes to show the value of backing up your data.
Femto's Law of Email (Score:5, Interesting)
This 'law' is base based on the fact that of many thousands of emails, there were only about 3 or 4 that I judged to be of value (worth keeping) after three years.
A corollary:
Here is an example of the application of "Femto's Law". The boss sends you an email asking you to do something. If you ignore the email, the boss will either a) if it is important come and tell you personally or, b) find someone else to do the task. Ultimately I think the law is based on the fact that email is mainly used for trivial stuff and important stuff will eventually be presented to you in a form which is harder to ignore.
I guess the applicabililty might have changed since 1998, if email has come to be used for non-trivial stuff, but I reckon it's mostly still true.
Side note: the reason I ended up doing the analysis is because the 'delete' button stopped working on my mail client and I had to sort my emails when jobs. AT the time I posted my conclusions to the rest of the University department, to other people's amusement.
PS. No, I'm not brave enough to ignore my email!
Re:Femto's Law of Email (Score:5, Insightful)
Given enough time, nearly everything becomes irrelevant. That job resume you're writing up now is going to be pretty irrelevant in 3 years; but that doesn't mean you can ignore it now.
Re:Femto's Law of Email (Score:2, Insightful)
I dunno...in 3 years I might not care that my boss wanted to see me this Friday, but if I ignore her email there's a pretty good chance I'll be changing jobs
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Gelfling's Axiom of Irrelevant eMail (Score:5, Funny)
90% of all eMail is useless the moment it arrives in your inbox.
The First Corollary of eMail age is this:
All remaining eMail is useless no more than one year after the moment it arrives in your inbox.
The Second Corollary of eMail age is this:
eMail accidently deleted will become instantly irrelevant or it will be resent without your request.
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Re:Gelfling's Axiom of Irrelevant eMail (Score:3, Interesting)
You don't really need it, if it's important enough they'll call back.
One year rule is wrong (Score:2)
That is actually not true. One year is a local minimum.
As email ages it loses currency and it becomes increasingly difficult to act on the information contained. However, that's not all the value in email.
Older email is valuable as historical record. It contains details no longer stored in your head. It's value increases with age.
These curves cross at about 1 year.
Thus, the one year mark isn't the time t
Re:Gelfling's Axiom of Irrelevant eMail (Score:2)
Ah yes it is, especially when it's from my boss or the guys from the design department. In 90% of all cases they're already in my office, telling me they've just sent me an e-mail which said foo before my T'bird even fetches it from the server.
Own domain offers new methods (Score:5, Insightful)
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First, the spambots also send a lot of mail to fantasy names with your domain or-- even worse-- they use a fantasy name with your domain as the sender address so you get the millions of error mails.
Second, I once received a cease-and-desist letter from a lawyer because I used their domain as part of my email address to subscribe to their newsletter. It was something like lawyer.com@my-domain.net.
I then decided to have o
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four main folders (Score:4, Interesting)
Urgent is email that is important to _my_ goals in life, where there is a deadline. Usually that means other people are involved. For example, email from my PhD students who should be working on research that furthers my interests as well. (Covey quadrant 1)
Important is email that is important to my goals, with no deadline. The stuff that is good for me if I read it, but I didn't used to because of the deadline issue. I now make sure to read through the Important folder once a day. An example is conference announcements in my area. (Covey quadrant 2)
Distracting is stuff that is important to other people, but not really me. Most of my Staff mailing lists go in here. (Covey quadrant 3)
Timewasting is stuff that is fun but not really important to anyone. Friends mailing lists talking about the latest in computer games or eclectic news stories, for example. Stuff I can read for 5 minutes to get a chuckle before meetings. (Covey quadrant 4)
Other email gets put aside for me to find out how to not get it again. For example mailing lists I subscribed to once thinking they'd be useful for me, but really I'm better off searching the web when I need that info rather than wasting my time keeping on top of it every day/week.
It works very nicely, and I only have a couple of filters for the lot. I get 400+ emails a day, incidentally.
Try it -- just set up 4 filters copying rather than moving the emails, and run it in parallel with your current filters...
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Spam Stats (Score:2)
Total Blocked Attempts: 3371
Total Filtered Junk Email: 1778
49.0% of email detected as junk
Estimated 20,596 junk emails per month.
also saving e-mail (Score:2)
I've only saved a few IRC and IM chatlogs before 2003 before I started using Gaim. Since then I've saved every IM conversation I've had since then.
I don't really think the data has any value except maybe to reminisce about old friendships, or what things
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A great love affair ... (Score:2, Funny)
Email Address (Score:2, Insightful)
Only 40% ?? (Score:3, Insightful)
An automated analysis. (Score:2, Interesting)
http://www.2ad.com/~john/spam_zeitgeist/
This focuses more on language used rather than on message type. So it reveals some of the patterns used in marketing messages.
John
Re:Link seems to be down... (Score:5, Informative)
It still tries to access the original site, so it rather slow but you can read the article.
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At least at the office I'm getting *paid* to go through the catch-all account - it's currently running greater than 99% spam.
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