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Microsoft Plans New Server Products For Office v12 37

Posted by timothy from the fetch-hither-the-license-cost-abacus dept.
cbnet2004 writes "Microsoft Watch is reporting that when the upcoming Office 12 is released (what product reaches 12.0?), Microsoft will have a server version of Excel, Visio, and several other products along with it. So if you thought Microsoft was trying to dominate your desktop, now you'll have to watch out for your severs, too. According to the article, the new servers will fortunately not be for new "thin client" solutions."
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  • Interesting to see how they will top that. (Score:3, Interesting)

    by damu ( 575189 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @08:22AM (#10533991) Journal
    Office has about 100% market share in business. MS is really facing an uphill battle with their new release it has to be better than anything they have released, and it seems that their ace card will be collaboration. Maybe a CVS type Office reposotory where you can access your documents or any documents by your company from anywhere. A way to link your profit excel sheet, with your word memo, with your inventory access database, with email to investors... We shall see.

    • Re:Interesting to see how they will top that. (Score:5, Funny)

      by ConceptJunkie ( 24823 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @08:40AM (#10534080) Homepage Journal
      You mean something like Lotus Notes, but doesn't look and feel like mid-80's software developed by the Soviets?

    • Office has about 100% market share in business. MS is really facing an uphill battle with their new release it has to be better than anything they have released,

      I'm sorry, but that is not at all how it works.

      MS will stop selling the old version, so when you buy a shiny new computer from Dell, you're going to get the new version of Office. When a business replaces a few of their computers, they will find subtle but noticable differences between the office suites.

      Guess who always gets the newest computer
      • That's why any half-decent IT department wipes the disk and installs from a generic image. That way, everyone has the same thing.
        • So the license you had for the new version is wasted money, _and_ you need a license for the older version?
          • So the license you had for the new version is wasted money, _and_ you need a license for the older version?

            Either that or your transferring licenses, because you had a license for the machine that this one is replacing right?

            Also you don't have to buy a dell with Office. With Windows you are paying twice if you already have a site license, but for Enterprise you usually have a choice to buy without licenses and save a few bucks.

            Doesn't sound like you've worked at an Enterprise IT Support. Not that I ha
            • I have worked as "Enterprise IT Support." Auctually the company has only about 100 employees, but we do colocation and manage other companies lans, so we have to support other people large networks. The company was a microsoft silver partner, which I believe meant unlimited workstation licenses for os and office internally. Externally our large clients have similar site licenses. We don't religiously ghost our internal machines, due to constantly changing software versions and a very good backup system. Wh
        • any half-decent IT department wipes the disk and installs from a generic image.

          That's correct - if you have a site license for office. I was once a halfway descent IT person in a company that did not have site licenses. I had a big binder with every license for every individual peice of software we owned (until Microsoft made that difficult by putting the license on a sticker on the side of the computer). Anyway, we got some new computers, and these actually didn't come with any office suite. I was pr
          • You should have gone the extra mile and paid the extra cash for the boxed retail versions of both Office and the OS. That way, you could use them and transfer them to new hardware. MS's Office reader apps usually run on older Windows versions for years, so reading external docs would be easy. Of course, you could always use an OpenOffice box for back-converting to the format you use.

            Or... just use OpenOffice to being with. :)

            Any CPA types out there who can tell me if you can depreciate software over

          • The site license is helpful but not necessary. The important thing to remember to do is always include the costs of all requisite licenses in the quotes you send upstream.

            Remember, we're talking about large corporations here (the context was where there's a communications discontinuity between "management" and "employees"), so I wasn't addressing people who work for companies with so few employees that an extra couple hundred per computer really matters.

  • We won't see it as version 12.0 (Score:3, Interesting)

    by rusty0101 ( 565565 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @08:31AM (#10534033) Homepage Journal
    The next version of Office is going to be identified in accordance with whatever "outside" versioning system they decide to use when it is released.

    It would not surprise me if they label it something like OfficeXP2, or even OfficeYQ.

    Remember the version of Office that came out during the Win9x releases was labeled Office9x. Along with Windows2000 came Office2000. Along came WindowsXP, and up pops OfficeXP.

    The Version 12.0 identifier is the internal identifier for Microsoft developers. It will show up in the 'About xxxx' screen, likely in the form 12.xxxx.yyyy, where xxxx and yyyy are design and build numbers.

    -Rusty

  • You heard it here first (Score:3, Interesting)

    by sethadam1 ( 530629 ) * <ascheinberg@gmai[ ]om ['l.c' in gap]> on Friday October 15, 2004 @08:36AM (#10534060) Homepage
    It will be OfficeFX and OfficeFX Server.

    Just like Longhorn will be WindowsFX.

    Yeah, Win32 is the basis of many versions of Windows, but it's clear that lettering is the current marketing buzz (Windows XP, Athlon MP, etc).
    • I think althon MP is a bad example, but doesn't MP stand for multi-processor? I.e. that you can have 2 or more chips on the motherboard?

      With a quick google, I can't confirm that MP does actually stand for Multi-processor, make it makes sense if it did.
      • I'm pretty sure it DOESN'T stand for multiprocessor.

        I seems to recall it being marketed as "mobile processor." But XP, as in Athlon XP, and Windows XP, and FX, as in WinFX and AthlonFX, and Coke c2, etc demonstrate that that type of marketing appears to be effective - or at least, ad execs think so.
        • Er, the Athlon MP's claim to fame was it was for SMP systems; nothing to do with "mobile processor":
          "The AMD Athlon MP processor is a seventh-generation x86 processor designed for high-performance multiprocessing servers and workstations.


          A key advantage of AMDs multiprocessing platform is Smart MP technology, which greatly enhances overall platform performance by increasing data movement between the two CPUs, chipset and memory system."

  • I can't wait to see this. (Score:3, Funny)

    by nevlow ( 90586 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @08:54AM (#10534175) Homepage
    Great. Now I'm going to have to keep up with even more weird revisions.

    "What OS are you running?"

    "Windows Longhorn 2005 Service Pack 5 Office Server Edition with Service Pack 6.5 for Athlon64."

    "I'm sorry sir, we only provide patches for Windows Longhorn 2005 Service Pack 6 Office Server Edition with Service Pack 7 for Athlon64s."

    "Damn!"

  • what product reaches 12.0? (Score:3, Informative)

    by Kardamon ( 54123 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @09:10AM (#10534287)
    As the submitter asked this :-)

    Cisco IOS Release 12.0
    Sybase Adaptive Server Enterprise 12.0 (Sybase ASE jumped from version 4 to version 10, leaving 5,6,7,8,9 to MS SQL Server)
    Hardware Compatibility Test (HCT) 12.0
    CorelDraw Graphics Suite 12.0
    Corel WordPerfect Office 12.0
    Domus.Cad 12.0
    Palm Tipsheet 12.0
    ALS Beamline 12.0
    OmniPage Pro 12.0
    SPSS for Windows 12.0
    Laplink Gold 12.0
    Etcetera... [google.com]

  • Re: what product reaches 12.0? (Score:3, Funny)

    by BeatdownGeek ( 687929 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @09:48AM (#10534650) Homepage
    (what product reaches 12.0?)

    Ummm... Emacs, for one.

    But I guess *nix users would argue that is their Office.

  • So, it's a licencing engine? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Spoing ( 152917 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @10:17AM (#10534941) Homepage
    I'm confused. If this isn't for thin clients, what technical/practical benifits do the 'server versions' of these apps provide?

    • Re:So, it's a licencing engine? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by hoggoth ( 414195 ) on Friday October 15, 2004 @11:30AM (#10535687) Journal
      > what technical/practical benifits do the 'server versions' of these apps provide?

      It's about time! How many servers out there are running a desktop Excel that is being COM controlled by a web application? Excel is NOT made to handle multiple simultaneous requests, and hangs, crashes, corrupts and does other nasty things when it is asked to.
      I don't know how many times I've had to kludge together a solution to manipulating Excel spreadsheets or Powerpoint presentations in a web server application. None of the solutions are perfect. Controlling Excel and Powerpoint with COM leads to an unstable solution. Emulating Excel or Powerpoint data leads to buggy data (since Microsoft actively tries to F* up anybody trying to emulate their data formats).

      A server-capable Office engine would enable me to manipulate Excel, Powerpoint, and Word documents in a web application.

    • Serverside scripting? Webapps that can accept excel or word documents as input, etc.

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