OpenBSD 3.6 Song Released

Puff writes "The song for the upcoming release of OpenBSD 3.6 is now official. Available as mp3 and ogg."

Song?

[Twintop]

I must've missed the memo about projects having a theme song. I'm both repulsed and intrigued by this story, both the content and the fact that it is deemed news-worthy enough to make it onto Slashdot.

Re:Song?

[MerlynEmrys67]

Wow - where have you been. OpenBSD has been shipping a "release song" for as long as I can remember... Many of them are funny, most of them cover rather serious topics - none of them are works of art that should ever be played in public.

Re:Song?

[Twintop]

This is where the "Did I miss the memo?" part comes in. :) I guess I haven't been paying attention to it. /Was ignorant to it, isn't anymore.

Re:Song?

[Txiasaeia]

Never heard of this either. Mind you, Windows has had its own release songs - that's the song that first plays when you launch Media player. Kinda like Winamp's launch song that they've been using for the last couple of years, though I'd call it more like rap than anything else.

"Well, now, Winamp's here and you gotta *stop* It really kicks the llama's.... HMMMMMM, ass?" (Beastie Boys on the brain tonight)

Re:Song?

[Twintop]

Gotcha. I understand more now what the story and article means about the theme song to the release. I still don't think my comment should be sitting at -1 Flaimbait (I'll probably get modded to flaimbait for saying it in a reply under my original post, too), but my original comment didn't come out with the tone and inflection it was supposted to of. I have karma to burn though, I guess. :-P

Re:Song?

[Txiasaeia]

"I have karma to burn though, I guess. :-P"

Don't we all? I've been burning it all night [slashdot.org] ;)

Re:Song?

[Dahan]

The difference is that the Windows songs actually sound good. *plays %windir%\system32\oobe\images\title.wma*

Re:Song?

[node 3]

I don't understand your surprise. Some software companies even have their own music videos [ntk.net].

On a more serious note, I somewhat repulsed that a person would find a project release song repuslive. The repulsion is what I'd expect from the PHB sort. To me, having a song illustrates wonderfully the difference between Free Software/OSS communities and the corporate world. In the one world, creativity is stifled because creativity is often inefficient and non-productive, while in the other, creativity (the human spirit) is the entire purpose.

Even worse, when the corporate world does take on theme songs, they are geared towards mind-control. Take, for example, this old IBM company song:

IBM, Happy men, smiling all the way.

Oh what fun it is to sell our products night and day.
IBM, Watson men, partners of T.J.
In his service to mankind-that's why we are so gay.

(yes, sung to "Jingle Bells")

There are, of course, counter-examples on both sides, but the tendencies are clear.

OT: Useless links

[andfarm]

We've all noticed the "extra" links below the stories by now. But take a closer look:

Online Books
Dev Tools DevChannel
Online Operating System Books
Online Security Books
Compare the best prices on: Software/Utilities

(well, fair enough)

The song
OpenBSD 3.6
mp3
ogg

(links from the story)

Security whitepapers
Best deals: Security
More Security stories

(blah, blah, blah)

It's funny. Laugh. whitepapers
Best deals: It's funny. Laugh.
More It's funny. Laugh. stories

(WTF?!!)

(And "It's funny

Re:OT: Useless links

[Vaevictis666]

It's just brute forcing it.

A few links in general, a few links from the story, and then a trio of links (whitepapers, best delas, more stories) for each of the story icons - in this case it's Security, Laugh It's Funny, Operating Systems, and BSD.

Its a trick, its COUNTRY!

[BrookHarty]

Ummm, Country? Bad enough, Classic Country?!

I'm sure some cowboy will mod me down. ;)

Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!

[ak3ldama]

haha, yea, but it's actually a pretty damn good tune, with good lyrics, in the true style of classic country ... very much unlike country (current country that is, which is more like pop)

Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!

[drinkypoo]

Country is trying to branch out and find a way to appeal to younger listeners before all the current fans die in motorcycle or four-wheelin' accidents. Just the other day I heard a woman singing country rap on the radio, it was hip-hop crossed with country, using country instruments with a hip-hop rhythm. That must give people absolute fits. Of course, the chick couldn't rap, and it sounded awful, which I'm sure will vindicate good-ol'-boys across the nation.

My girlfriend adores country music so every t

Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!

[T-Ranger]

My name is su(1). How do you do?
Now you're gonna die.

Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!

[808140]

You know, I remember reading that the lyrics to that song were written by none other than Shel Silverstein. Don't have a reference though.

Still, it's one of my favorite Johnny Cash songs. New country is for bitches. Old country is where it's at.

Re:Its a trick, its COUNTRY!

[nacturation]

For a second there, I thought OpenBSD released a new product called CanyoneroBSD [mac.com]!

MP3 and OGG?

[NanoGator]

Huh. I kind of expected it to be provided in sheetmusic format.

Re:MP3 and OGG?

[wan-fu]

Hrm... that would actually make sense. They should release the song in sheet music. BSD license of course ;) Then I could go ahead and give it a hip-hop beat so that it plays nice with my riced up Gentoo box.

Re:MP3 and OGG?

[Drishmung]

Actually, sheet music format seems more appropriate to Gentoo than OpenBSD.

Man that's piss funny.

[QuantumG]

Gotta love the way the Theo fish just goes nuts at the end and starts yelling at everyone. Someone needs to make a blowfish cartoon where other fish get into morally dubious situations and the Theo fish just comes in and tells em they're all idiots and if they don't contribute to his project then this'll be the last release.

Re:Man that's piss funny.

[ArbitraryConstant]

I can't tell if you think it's a bad thing, but it sounds pretty accurate.

If every OS had a song...

[numbware]

... the Windows song would just be the windows error "ding" sound over and over again for about 10 minutes.

ps; the BSD song is something different. not good. not bad. just different

Re:Living in the past...

[Homology]

The ipf code with the new license did not enter the OpenBSD cvs repository, so your link to the cvs repository shows the old license. Darren Reed later changed his license again, but then it was too late : OpenBSD had it's new packet filter pf (as op OpenbSD 3.0).

The author of ipf (Darren Reed) is regularly on the openbsd mailing lists, and quite often it's just gripe. This whole issue has become quite personal, jugding from the posts.

Re:Living in the past...

[Dahan]

But the "new" license didn't change any of the terms. The only change in the "new" license was the addition of this sentence: "Yes, this means that derivitive [sic] or modified works are not permitted without the author's prior consent."

I linked to the original license they imported (note that it's revision 1.1), which they had for 5 years before deciding it was unacceptable. It stated that "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this notice is preserved and due cred

Re:Living in the past...

[Anonymous Coward]

And this clarification was the issue. The OpenBSD project read the original license the way I am sure most people would; BSD-like with changes and redistribution permitted, preserve copyrights, don't hold the author accountable, etc.

This clarification by Reed was absolutely intolerable because it prohibited bug fixes without his approval.

If this clarification had been in there from the beginning, I doubt the OpenBSD project would ever have used IPF.

Re:Living in the past...

[Dahan]

The OpenBSD project read the original license the way I am sure most people would

In that case they, and "most people", need to practice their reading comprehension. The text of the license, which I am posting here for the third time, since nobody seems to actually want to read it, states: "Redistribution and use in source and binary forms are permitted provided that this notice is preserved and due credit is given to the original author and the contributors."

Please show me where it says that changes are p

Re:Living in the past...

[iamsure]

"Please show me where it says that changes are permitted.".

No need - Darren clarified that changes WERENT permitted - after having his code accepted AND MODIFIED multiple times by multiple BSD developers.

It was only when he disagreed with a change the OpenBSD team made that he "clarified" his license.

Context matters - while the license did not specify that changes WERE or WERE NOT allowed, HE DID ALLOW THEM TO OCCUR - and only when he didnt get his way, did he "clarify" his position.

Not that it matters

Re:Living in the past...

[Hognoxious]

No need - Darren clarified that changes WERENT permitted - after having his code accepted AND MODIFIED multiple times by multiple BSD developers.

The words "stable", "door" and "bolted" spring to mind.

Re:Living in the past...

[Hognoxious]

Please show me where it says that changes are permitted. Thanks.

They explicitly permit redistribition in source form, and the main purpose of having the source is to be able to change it. Secondly, why use the phrase "original author". If it cannot be modified, the "original" is redundant as there is one author, period. Ergo, it implies that there could be a subsequent or other secondary author.

So, please show where it says they aren't. Thanks.

Re:Living in the past...

[tedu]

exactly. the license was thought to be acceptable. then darren said, "no, actually you can't modify ipf." so, oh shit, rip it out. it doesn't matter whether it changed or not. unacceptable is unacceptable. you don't go "oh, we were breaking the license yesterday, so who cares? we'll just continue on the same way." you fix the problem.

Re:Living in the past...

[Dahan]

it doesn't matter whether it changed or not. unacceptable is unacceptable.

That's fine that they removed ipf. pf is a nice replacement and all. My point is that OpenBSD claims that the license did change, when it clearly did not.

Re:Living in the past...

[tedu]

if you want to get particular, the whole ruckus started because it did change. darren released a beta of ipf with a larger "may not modify" clause. then clarified that the meaning didn't change (though the wording certainly did). i don't think a release ever came out with the new wording, only a few betas.

Re:Living in the past...

[Dahan]

No, you are confused (as apparently many people are/were). The beta had a special license that said, "Redistribution is not permitted." The license on the release version never allowed modification, but did allow redistribution. If the license doesn't say that you may modify the code, you may not modify the code. I don't know why people think that if it doesn't say that modifications are allowed, that means they are allowed.

Email from Darren to the ipfilter list [theaimsgroup.com]

Re:Living in the past...

[QuantumG]

That's cause Darren Reed is an idiot and Theo don't tolerate idiots.

Darren Reed and the OpenBSD song

[Nonesuch]

The author of ipf (Darren Reed) is regularly on the openbsd mailing lists, and quite often it's just gripe. This whole issue has become quite personal, jugding from the posts.

Yeah, what's up with that? His contributions vary from sardonic to the merely sarcastic. Darren is clearly a bright guy, his criticism could be constructive if he wanted.

Back on topic, this post [sigmasoft.com] by Darren is particularly amusing:

To: [e-mail] (Theo de Raadt)
Subject: Re: OpenBSD 3.6
From: Darren Reed <avalon

SMP

[raffe]

Anybody tested the smp stuff? Working good? Perfomance experience?

Re:SMP

[jdew]

Works one newer chipsets. It dosen't work on my Compaq with a BX chipset. Get some weird error about MP: specification not found.

However, on the newer machines, it zips along. Don't expect HT chips to show up as two cpus though.

From the hackathon, they were saying that a quad opteron was compiling the Open kernel in under a minute.

Re:SMP

[Nonesuch]

SMP is functional and stable on a Dell 1750 server.

Although it's just one of many [openbsd.org] changes, it receives an inordinate amount of attention.

I'm tempted to make my next machine a dual-processor AMD64 system just to play with all of the new features in 3.6

Re:SMP

[drinkypoo]

Inordinate? SMP is the single feature that I've heard people wishing for most in obsd. Given that there is an upper limit on the speed of a uniprocessor system, I'd say it's an absolute necessity. If you want a single machine to handle high-speed routing and VPN connections without using VPN accelerator cards, you will need SMP.

Re:Apache

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, they use the version BEFORE the code was transferred over to the new licence. Apache is still included with OpenBSD, but not any code since the licence "update".

Re:Apache

[gebner]

But OpenBSD.org uses it to serve pages.

AFAIK, only the Apache Licence 2.0 is non-free. That might be why openbsd.org is still using 1.3.27:

$ telnet www.openbsd.org 80
Trying 129.128.5.191...
Connected to www.openbsd.org.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0

HTTP/1.1 200 OK
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:44:57 GMT
Server: Apache/1.3.27 (Unix) PHP/4.3.1 mod_perl/1.27
Last-Modified: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:15:04 GMT
ETag: "91089-1d67-4151cf38"
Accept-Ranges: bytes
Content-Length: 7527
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/

Re:Apache

[DashEvil]

You are incorrect. They changed the license as of Apache 1.3.31 as well.

Besides, incase you missed teh memo, OpenBSD.org isn't even hosted on a OpenBSD box; it's hosted by a NetBSD based service.

I do not believe Theo has too much control over what web server serves his pages.

Re:Apache

[Triumph The Insult C]

s/NetBSD/Solaris/

Re:Apache

[Anonymous Coward]

No. You are incorrect - OpenBSD ships a patched version of the last Apache with the sane license. A moment's checking with CVSweb or Google would have told you this.

Re:Apache

[DashEvil]

Did you even read the post that I was responding to? He said the license change was only in apache2. I said he was wrong, that it's in apache1 as well.

Although I do appreciate how you told me I was incorrect and then proceeded to say something (supposedly correcting me) that I never disputed in my original post.

Great news!

[ivoras]

From the "What's new" list:

• SMP support on OpenBSD/i386 and OpenBSD/amd64 platforms.
• tcpdrop(8), a command to drop TCP connections.
• A generic IEEE 802.11 framework has been added.
• Improved support for USB 2.0 (ehci(4)) controllers.
• ... and more.

See http://www.openbsd.org/36.html [openbsd.org]

on a related note...

[berkleyidiot]

In response to the overwhelming popularity of release theme songs, Microsoft recently announced the Longhorn release theme song [fallenjedi.com].