PCs Use More Sick Days Than People 306
lunarscape writes "ZDNet is running an article about the 'absentee' rate of PCs in various UK workplaces. According to the article, while the average employee was out sick seven days a year, the average PC was inoperable due to a virus nine days a year. The article also discusses junk e-mail's impact on productivity, with one business reporting that 99.84 percent of all incoming mail is spam."
My computer is perfect (Score:5, Funny)
Re:My computer is perfect (Score:3, Funny)
Greetings, Captain Pedantic! It's swell to see you on the job!
Traffic stress (Score:5, Funny)
Living in Seattle, they might think differently.
Re:Traffic stress (Score:2, Insightful)
Living in Seattle, they might think differently.
Re:Traffic stress (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Traffic stress (Score:5, Funny)
LA (Score:3, Funny)
Psssh. Come out here, I'll introduce you to the 405. If the gangbangers don't kill you, the soccer moms surely will.
Re:Traffic stress (Score:2)
Lol.... you obviously have NO IDEA what the 520 bridge is.
Staring at Bill's house for an hour is torture.
Weird comparison (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Weird comparison (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Weird comparison (Score:5, Insightful)
I am sick and tired of listening to "nerds' spout out this nonsense. Just because you can compile a kernel or know how to program in 10 different languages does not mean you have some high level of intelligence.
Intelligence is about application of logic. Intelligent people have more of a capacity to understand logic. I am not saying the slashdot croud isn't generally more intelligent than your typical person but computer dorks in all my cs classes think that they are all a genius (while they have trouble with calc 1 and other liberal arts courses). I see this in hundreds of posts on slahsdot. Most people here are mediocre. Just because you are a nerd does not mean that you have attained a more enlightened state. It just means that you have interests in something society unjustly characterized as "special" or "complex." Just about anyone can learn how to do most of the crap we know how to do. They just don't enjoy it as much. And so I Ramble On....
I can't stand elitists.
I wish i was registered so i could see how much i am flamed.
T
Re:Weird comparison (Score:5, Funny)
As for nerds being enlightened, study this koan:
A software engineer had an impending deadline. As she worked
she found that the investors were closing in threatening
a takeover and layoffs. The night before the deadline arrived and
the engineer was late at work, when she found a basic flaw
in the architecture of the software which could take months
to fix.
Just then the pizza arrived. How sweet it tasted!
Re:Weird comparison (Score:2)
knowing what re-imaging is does not equate to intelligence. that is specific learned knowledge. not knowing what re-imaging is would prevent someone from understand the joke, but does not make them stupid.
PS, i didn't really think it was funny in the first place.
Re:Weird comparison (Score:4, Insightful)
And don't get me started on people who use the word 'sheeple'. Let me give you a hint, buddy. You're not as far above the average as you think you are.
99.84% pure pork fat (Score:5, Insightful)
Is that one of the 86.55% of all statistics which are made up on the spot?
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:5, Funny)
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:4, Informative)
No its the figure for one company for one month.
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:2)
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:3, Insightful)
Chapter 7 or 11 to the rescue (Score:2)
What do you think the compency level is in this organization on everything else they do?
Good news is they will not have this problem for much long. Chapter 7 is a very efficient Spam eliminator
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:4, Funny)
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:2)
I guess that Nuclear Elephant guy is going to be "architecting" another seething response about how no normal email account gets over 60% spam, and anyone who says otherwise is either a moron or is trying to make CRM114 look bad.
Re:99.84% pure pork fat (Score:3, Interesting)
Is that one of the 86.55% of all statistics which are made up on the spot?
Actually, that's the closest statistics I've ever seen to the percentage of spam that I'm measuring -- which is 98.86% This comes from me keeping statistics on my spam for the last 8 months or so. Every time I see one of those 50% or 60% statements, I get green with envy, wishing I just had 60% of my email be spam....
sick days. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:sick days. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:sick days. (Score:5, Informative)
Re:sick days. (Score:5, Funny)
Re:sick days. (Score:4, Informative)
Real statistics show that people are ~ 1.5 times more likely to call in sick on Monday and ~ 2 times more likely to call in sick on Friday, as opposed to Tuesday-Thursday.
That figures out to roughly:
Monday: 23.5%
Tuesday: 15.5%
Wednesday: 15.5%
Thursday: 15.5%
Friday: 30%
Re:sick days. (Score:3, Informative)
Should we be suprised? (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Should we be suprised? (Score:5, Interesting)
the last machine down was for 2 days, due to needing a new part that i didn't keep on the shelf. (can't stock them all!) i ended up just replacing the whole machine, since i couldn't get the part faster. thats the only machine that's been down for longer than an hour during the past year (maybe longer). and, it was due to hardware failure, not windows/ie.
the windows risk is manageable, but it does require extra cost and work to mantain. in this case, the company is willing to tighten things down to keep the machines running well and keep the less-experienced users out of trouble. call it big-brother if you want, to them its good policy to keep business running.
Re:Should we be suprised? (Score:2, Interesting)
May as well go back to thin clients operating off a mainframe.
Re:Should we be suprised? (Score:3, Insightful)
But we're a small business. We don't have a single machine to spare, and most of our staff is smart enough to reimage their own shit. Many corporate offices have a ton of extra machines thanks to downsizing. I suspect these numbers were skewed thusly: the IT staff had their PCs in a sort of queue, with ne
Re:Should we be suprised? (Score:2)
Slashdot really needs to hire some statisticians who know what the fuck they're doing, to prevent comments like this from happening.
Re:Should we be suprised? (Score:4, Informative)
The user has a 4 year old CPx laptop the company won't replace because it doesn't have the budget (unless you're a director or higher). The OS gets fried from spyware, adware, viruses, etc. All the spares are ancient systems too.
Backups and restores take longer because no one seems to keep files on any network servers. The 350 MB limit on storage space doesn't help. Those 4 year old hard drives sometimes fail, and we don't have a budget for data recovery, so it's up to desktop support to make a best effort.
Systems are often out of warranty, so we have to scavange parts from reclaimed systems. If we can't fix a system, then we have to order another reclaim in from the warehouse, which takes at least a day.
We have a couple loaners, but they won't have the user's files or custom programs. If it's not too busy we can transfer data from the old hard drive pretty quickly. But if there are a lot of tickets, take a number and expect to wait a few hours.
All that adds up to a lot of downtime over a year. I had one poor guy who went through 3 laptops in 2 weeks because of this. By then I just gave him a loaner to keep since we where getting DOA reclaims.
Oh, and as for viruses, our team here is pretty good, but we did have one virus where we had to go desk-to-desk with a patch CD. Some people where down for the entire day.
and the avg Mac or Linux system? (Score:5, Interesting)
I bet it was a lot fewer than 9, especially if most of those "absences" were because of viruses.
Re:and the avg Mac or Linux system? (Score:2, Interesting)
We had to spend nine days training these clueless morons about how to use Mac OS X, despite the fact that Mac OS X is substantially easier to use than Windows.
I still laugh every time I get a message saying "MY FREND SENT ME A GAME BUT I CLICED IT AND IT DIDNT WORK CAN U HELP ME" from some retard in finance.
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So, are these average? Well, they're my data! (Score:4, Informative)
At work:
~250 Linux systems: 1-2 hrs/yr
~20 Solaris systems: 1-2 hrs/yr
~25 Windows systems: 2 day/yr?
~10 Macs: 2-3 hrs/yr
Then again, we have serious firewalls, and bought a Barracuda spam/virus filter. The Linux downtime is almost all hardware-related (old, dying PS, cheap memory - yes, we're getting away from these). Mac downtime is mostly hardware, and one flaky OS9 app.
At home:
2 Linux systems: 1 day/yr
2 Win systems: 1 day/yr
Good firewalls, only the Linux systems have internet access. Linux systems are always on, Windows are on mostly when used, so guesstimate is for lost time. Down time for Linux systems is mostly trying something weird or adding hardware. About half the Windows downtime is for that.
I also have a production Linux server at a colo. It's been up 499 days, and was down for maybe 2 hours the previous year. So 1 hr/yr.
I have a good firewall for this system, too.
Lessons? Even Windows systems can show up *if* you have a secure environment and educated, trustworthy users. We have, just today, though, implemented a "no IE" policy. And without Windows, life is even easier.
(For the record, TCO/system at our site, and my house, is *much* lower for the non-Windows systems. 8^)
OS's (Score:5, Interesting)
Where I work the primary reason for PC's going down is hardware, not software.
Re:OS's (Score:4, Insightful)
The problems are user incompetence, when some propellerhead tries to "tweak" the desktop on his workstation and winds up with everything all borked. Or the neat freaks who obsessively "clean" their hard drives of all those useless
Still, 9 days a year sounds hokey to me. Getting a virus or trojan shouldn't even take the system down a full day, such things are generally easily correctable. Of course, your average cubicle jockey will use it as an excuse to do nothing that day.
Re:OS's (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:OS's (Score:2)
If you were running a large machine shop and one of your assembly lines breaks down, would you really want the 3rd shifter item loader to start tearing it apart looking for the problem? In most companies a computer is a tool your employees use to perform their actual job, and they have a separate sta
Re:OS's (Score:3, Insightful)
Still, 9 days a year sounds hokey to me. I would say a badly infected system (lots of adware, spyware etc) can easily take up to a day, especially if you have to install service packs etc. on a system, which takes long just sitting and waiting. But you're right, even if 1 day per incident per machine, 9 such 'incidents' per year sounds like a lot.
But you've missed an important point: the problem with the "the latest Windows worm" hitting your company is that when it does, it tends to hit BIG, i.e. normall
Re:OS's (Score:5, Funny)
OSX is that hot geek woman that tries really hard to show everyone that she's not just a piece of meat, but instead has a brain. She never takes off either.
OS9 is that old guy on the edge of retiring who doesn't give a $hit about doing the job. He goes to the doctor alot because of cruft, complains about new technology, and talks about the old days to anyone that'll listen. He takes off quite a bit to visit the urologist.
WINDOWS is that guy who managed to get far in the company by taking pictures of the president of the company with a goat. He doesn't really do a lot on his own, but instead steals most of his ideas from the hot chick and the old guy and presents them to his superiors. He takes off all the time to play golf, visit his mistress, and to sleep off hang-overs.
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Re:OS's (Score:2, Flamebait)
DOS that guy who has two machine, one running windows that he never touches, and one still running DOS that he does his Real Work on. Mutters under his breath about the good old days when they still had the Novell network in place before that upgrade ("Hah!") to NT...
Re:OS's (Score:2)
He is constantly saying how the Linux guy is overpaid because you gave him $50,000 up front and you're only paying the Windows guy $10,000 a month.
/me is looking forward to going home to my smart, sexy geek woman. [apple.com] And my fiance, too...
You left one out... (Score:5, Funny)
(hey it's
Not really sick days (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Not really sick days (Score:2)
Re:Not really sick days (Score:2)
My Mother.
Time well spent? (Score:2, Insightful)
They seem to have expended time/resources to perform such a precise calculation; perhaps it would have been better spent researching and implementing spam filters.
Yeah its always taking sickies (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Yeah its always taking sickies (Score:2)
This is a poor test... (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:This is a poor test... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:This is a poor test... (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, had a quick look at your other posts t
Re:This is a poor test... (Score:3, Interesting)
The error percentage is irrelevant. What is relevant is whether you can reject or accept the null hypothesis, as determined by a chi-squared significance test.
Re:This is a poor test... (Score:5, Informative)
That's a bogus way to conduct a poll. By definition, you are only getting data from people who go to that site.
It's called a "self-selecting sample" and in statistics it's a no-no.
2,500 randomly selected sample points will give very accurate results, and in fact a lot of poll-takers would be envious of such a large sample.
Re:This is a poor test... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:This is a poor test... (Score:3, Informative)
That's not how statistics works. Online polls are not random samples, they're self-selected, so results obtained in the manner you propose would almost certainly be inaccurate. Conversely, if you ha
A Tale of woe.. (Score:5, Interesting)
2 different PCs
3 complete PC rebuilds
No VPN access for 5 months and authentication issues due to an Active Directory migration.
I work in IT, go knows what the poor buggers who just have to work WITH IT have to put up with.
As Computing professionals we should all be ashamed of the quality standards that we have allowed, and continue to allow, to be considered a production ready release. Until we have the same standards of excellence that Engineers have in the construction industry we might as well have arts degrees.
Re:A Tale of woe.. (Score:2)
Damn, that's a good line. Mind if I snag it as a SIG?
"If contractors built homes the way programmers build software, the first woodpecker who came along would destroy civilization."
Re:A Tale of woe.. (Score:2)
Paid Sick Days? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Paid Sick Days? (Score:3, Informative)
In the UK yes... (Score:4, Interesting)
Oh really. The average Scandinavian is out thirty days a year and the per capita GNP is still higher. I find that figure way too low, considering the 'socialist' system in the UK that's even survived Maggie.
Re:In the UK yes... (Score:2)
Re:In the UK yes... (Score:2)
I suspect that fact is largely skewed because, what, 12 people live in Scandinavia, and they have a boatload of oil?
In all seriousness, though, it's not hard to have a really high GNP when you're Norway. A lot of oil and very few people does make the GNP high.
Re:In the UK yes... (Score:3, Informative)
Even if that is true... (Score:2, Funny)
This sounds way high (Score:5, Interesting)
That's the problem with averages. They can be calculated in so many ways. I know that I've never had a workstation down for nine days out of a year.
Variety (Score:4, Funny)
Wuh Oh (Score:5, Funny)
Unreal... (Score:5, Interesting)
How long does it take a tech to reimage a PC?
Or even reload an OS??
Are these shops with no Virus Protection at all???
That number is so far out as to be totally unreal...
Heck, I don't use anti-Virus software at home, just safe email practices and Firefox instead of IE, and I have yet to get an infection (Deleted plenty of attempts tho..); and my PC has never been out of service more than the few hours it takes to run a housecall scan for Virus checks..
desiv
Re:Unreal... (Score:2)
OS reloads take longer, because you've got anywhere from 2-5 days before you get the box back, and then usually a whole day reinstalling all your tools and apps that aren't part of the Common Computing Environment build (IBM Websphere Studio, for example, which takes 2+ hours to install on a 2Ghz P4 with 1G of RAM).
All machines run here run AV software and are updated ni
Did the submitter RTFA? (Score:5, Informative)
It just says "A survey of 2,500 UK e-mail users found that 70 percent of users had been infected by a virus in the past year." It then relates that to average UK worker sick days. Nothing says the PC's were in the workplace.
Which of course makes MUCH more sense. If the average PC atany workplace I know of was down for 9 days a year heads would roll. That's insane. Average PCs at my company are down maybe a fraction of a percent due to viruses because there are professionals making sure it stays that way.
So this article is basically "70% of random HOME users were infected in a year."
Businesses seem to have been asked only about spam.
Doesn't seem like news at all.
Do I hear -- An "Apple" a day keeps (Score:4, Funny)
Hey! No I don't mean the shiny colourful thing on my desk
It has to be more than just nine days (Score:2, Insightful)
Do they include all sources for down time or just the PC? For example, a PC can go down due to a local virus/worm issue, or it can go down because an important server on the network is down due to a virus/worm issue. If the e-mail server is overwhelmed with scanning, even if it isn't infected itself, then that is effectively a DOS for every PC on the network (everyone just sits there staring at a blank e-mail client).
One thing about deali
Same General Reasoning (Score:5, Interesting)
The real irony is that, in both cases, the benefits of cost-preventative maintenance far outweigh the costs -- in humans, we get less sick less often, and thereby lead better lives and create less upward pressure on health insurance costs; in computers, there's less downtime, and considerably less risk of some catastrophic breakdown/break-in. Too bad people can't see this, and as a result don't do preventative maintenance.
99.84 percent (Score:2)
Re:99.84 percent (Score:2, Interesting)
Six employees, 720,000 spams? Someone there must be a real porn hound/idiot giving out email addresses to the wrong folks. I call bullshit on that one, hell, I call bullshit on this whole article.
I work for a small company, use my email for communicaiton with clients/colleagues (ie; what it's for - not for signing up for a free trial
My downtime experiences (Score:3, Interesting)
What's really sad is that, in my rather small local area, more than half the people have had actual downtime due to spyware. (It should be noted that all of our machines are preconfigured with IE5 and Netscape Nav 4.7. Guess which one is more popular.) While I'm not sure exactly why, it seems that some spyware can knock out our source control tools.
IT seems to be pretty decent about squashing both mail and network based V/W/T however. They send out site-wide emails detailing the status of outbreaks too, which is kind of interesting to watch sometimes. Most of the time, an outbreak notice is sent in the AM, and cleanups are done either before I leave or before I get in the next day. Overall, I'd say ad-based malware is much worse on our time than ad-free malware.
correction (Score:4, Informative)
Apparently even the poster didn't RTFA - the article states:
Our corporate workstations were affected significantly enough by virii last year to be down a total of less than a single day each. Still more downtime than we'd like, but nothing like nine days. Now spam - that's another kettle of fish altogether...
It's worse than they say (Score:4, Funny)
The worst of them are some of those especially illegal eastern European bioengineered viruses -- if a worker catches one of those, he calls the manufacturer and leaves the doors and windows at the workplace unlocked. And then he starts sending out hundreds of emails hawking penis enlargements, breast enlargements, home mortgages, spyware, and immunizations against the most popular, common viruses.
I like PC down days at the office... (Score:5, Funny)
Computer downtime/Sickness/Safety connection... (Score:5, Interesting)
The same thing goes for safety, I know at Mercedes they're all about safety and injury prevention, which therefore prevents them from paying workman's comp without getting any value from the worker.
So this data implies that computer trouble has become as much as a problem as sickness is, I wonder when some company is going to take a major initiative to fix this.
And you know (, I don't wan't to blame it on windows directly, but sometimes I wonder... How many major auto companies use windows products? Ok, time to stop before I starting getting flamed...
My PC had no sick days this last years... (Score:5, Funny)
I'm skeptical (Score:5, Interesting)
PCs on a Bender (Score:3, Funny)
We send them to the Steve Wozniak Clinic to detox.
I don't make much sense, do I?
patches (Score:2)
Someone clarify our intent here (Score:2)
Are we trying to illuminate the deleterious effect of computers and the internet to their own improvement in worker productivity?
Or are we trying to determine whether
Re:Someone clarify our intent here (Score:2)
hello mudda...hello fodder...here i am in...the lameness filter...life is good here...things are swimming...i just wish the thing was interrupting...
A needed survery (Score:5, Insightful)
These lost productivity reports make me sick (Score:2)
Just because the [PC|employee] is up... (Score:2)
Just because the PC (or employee) is healthy, does NOT imply it's being productive. I mean jeez, look at the slackdotters around here.
the big news (Score:2)
the average employee was out sick seven days a year
Considering that we only get 5 days of sick time, this is a travesty.
Viruses are not the only thing causing downtime (Score:3, Interesting)
What about things like BSOD when you try to do more than your "little" OS can handle? This happens to me once a week on average. Reboot takes ~10 minutes.
Then there's the "really, really critical security patch" (no shit, that's what our IT calls them now). These require reboots many times. And since I am always working on several things at once, see above, the shutdown and reboot may take 15 min or more. I would estimate we get at least 6 of these a year.
Once a week we have a virus scan program that runs, slowing my machine to a crawl... see above, and cuts my productivity by 30% for at least 3 hours.
Then at least once a year, something happens where my computer may be spontaneously booted form the network, account locked or some such stuff. This requires a help[less] desk call which takes me down for at least half a day to resolve the problem.
So the total is:
Patches = 1.5 hours/year
Virus Scan = 50 hours/year
Help-Desk - 4 hours/year
Total: 63.5 hours/year @ avg workday = 7 hours;
I was sick a total of 2 days last year.
88% = 1.3 million emails a day of SPAM (Score:3, Insightful)
*sigh*
*nix boxes and OS X Macs included? (Score:5, Insightful)
I would hazard a guess that the wintel world wants it that way...
Somebody gets paid to remove the malware.
99.84%, eh? (Score:3, Funny)
I've got a revolutionary system to fight spam that I guarantee will be 99.84% effective for this company! It's simple, free, and uses all existing tools! Here's some sample code:
PS: Don't listen to people who tell you it has a high rate of false positives. 99.84% effective, man!