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Security Tips for Traveling with Tech Gear 527

securitas writes "Many Slashdotters will be traveling during the next week and PC World has an article about how to travel with tech gear with a minimum of security hassles. The Transport Security Administration maintains an allowable and banned items list (PDF) that you might want to check. Make sure that you have fully charged batteries for any tech gifts you received. I've had big hassles with all the tech gear that I routinely carry, especially when combining business trips with a vacation. One security screener even asked me to log in, decrypt and look at files on my notebook's desktop, which was unnecessarily invasive (not to mention against my then-employer's security policy). He settled for viewing the secure login screen 'to make sure it worked.' Any other horror stories out there?"
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  • We are Borg (Score:4, Funny)

    by moehoward ( 668736 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:11AM (#7812271)
    We carry around all this crap (yes, me included) and require it for our jobs and personal lives. We can't live without it. Right? Laptop, cell phone, Wi-Fi gear, PDA, and related equipment. Are we not borg already?

    Discuss...
    • Closer to Gargoyles (Snow Crash, for those who don't know the reference).

      Borg live in a shared conscious, which we don't have (yet), Gargoyles are just wired with accessories.
    • Re:We are Borg (Score:3, Insightful)

      by russellh ( 547685 )
      We carry around all this crap (yes, me included) and require it for our jobs and personal lives. We can't live without it. Right? Laptop, cell phone, Wi-Fi gear, PDA, and related equipment. Are we not borg already?

      We spend enough time cursing our gadgets for me to conclude no, and it seems unlikely that integration paradise is right around the corner. But then, maybe ST has never explored the Borg well enough to find the sucky, irritating and mundane side of them. We need Quentin Tarantino for that.

      • We spend enough time cursing our gadgets for me to conclude no

        Ever hear anyone complain about their bad back? Prostate troubles? The fact that they are too damn fat?

        Face it, we've been complaining about faulty tools since they've been with us, and we tend to humanize them as well.

        Personally, I welcome prostetic devices. At least if they're attached, I won't loose them!

    • by PacoTaco ( 577292 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:32AM (#7812391)
      Are we not borg already?

      Let's shoot a few of you and see if you adapt.

  • Let me try this again, I get these questions every year at Christmas. What am I a walking FBI agent. Why does everyone on ask the geek in the family about Cell phones, digital cameras, computers, airport screening, spam killers, pop-ups, OS,....

    I thought this article has some nice information. I printed it out and will be handing this to my father-in-law, sister-in-law, and my two brothers.

    • What, you think they should call the plumber or something?

      I'm the general technology and science guy in my family. My formal education is in physics, so I get all the questions about black holes and stuff. I'm the computer guy, so I get to maintain everyone's computers and answer all related questions. I've worked as an automotive engineer, mananged a dealership and owned an R/C racetrack, so I get all the car questions.

      Guess what, I'm not surprised by any of this in the least. I would hardly expect them
  • by kantai ( 719870 ) <kantai@gmail.com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:14AM (#7812287)
    "Try living without the IPod for a few days"

    What in the name of Linus Torvalds is this guy thinking? Living without my precious? I don't think so....
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:15AM (#7812293)
    Sorry, but some security guy trying to do anything on my computer is an attempt to bypass a security device and in violation of the DMCA. Federal law says I can't do what the federal agent says.
    • Re:Nope. DMCA.. (Score:2, Insightful)

      by CrazyTalk ( 662055 )
      Sure, you don't have to do what he says. And he doesn't have to let you on the plane.
  • Booting a laptop (Score:5, Insightful)

    by stephens_domain ( 679473 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:15AM (#7812294)
    Showing that it works does not really mean much. How much stuff could you pack into a laptop and still have it boot once? Take out the CD/DVD bay, or take out the hard drive and boot from a live CD, hollow out the PC card slot. Make a false battery and tell the agent your battery is dead so you have to use AC, etc.
    • If a laptop explodes while I'm on my way to Punta Cana in the Domican Republic next week I'm blaming you.
    • Re:Booting a laptop (Score:3, Informative)

      by Torham ( 544278 )
      I believe Israel used a working cell phone to kill Yahya Ayyash, a member of Hamas, in 1996. Still El Al seems pretty content if you can make your digital camera turn on, but insisted on opening all the snacks i had brought.
      • Re:Booting a laptop (Score:5, Interesting)

        by Kierthos ( 225954 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:10AM (#7812575) Homepage
        From Wikipedia:

        He was killed by the Israeli Shin Bet in 1996 following a massive manhunt. They were able to compromise one of Ayyash's fellow Hamas members, who gave him a cell phone full of explosives. When they confirmed Ayyash was using it, the Shin Bet detonated it, killing him instantly.

        Now, supposedly, the cell phone worked as well, and the last call he got on it was from the head of the Shin Bet, who told him "Goodbye."

        Kierthos
    • Re:Booting a laptop (Score:3, Informative)

      by costas ( 38724 )
      They stopped requiring booting laptops a while back. Most US airports I've flown thru use instead chemical "sniffer" devices --they wipe your laptop with a sticky pad and then scan the pad in the sniffer machine. Much better than a simple boot...
    • by KrispyKringle ( 672903 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @12:24PM (#7813119)
      There are a couple of ways of looking at this. The first is that they use chemical sniffers (as a previous poster mentioned) to try to detect explosives, regardless of opening your device. This should be, in theory, far more accurate anyway.

      But I think the reality, disturbing as it may be, is that there are so many loopholes that they can do little more than a token effort. Remember that student [smh.com.au] who hid boxcutters on airplanes to show how insecure they still are? For that matter, if blades are a threat (and in reality, using a plane as a weapon is a far greater threat than simply blowing up the plane itself), one could easily a) get one of those nifty carbon fiber commando-style blades that don't set off metal detectors, b) hide a blade in some metal case (like a laptop chassis), c) hide a thin blade inside something metallic like a pen, d) watch James Bond movies for more inspiration.

      The point of the matter, in my opinion, is that it doesn't really matter if someone does damage to a plane or its occupants--I ride Amtrak regularly and there's no security at all--but rather the risk of someone taking over a plane. 250 casualties are certainly bad (but there are plenty of other public situations--Amtrak, for instance--in which we all face the same risk), but the real risk, as I said, is that of someone taking over a plane. And we could prevent that with a lot less effort and a lot less difficulty if we simply beefed up the cockpit doors.

      • by swillden ( 191260 ) * <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Friday December 26, 2003 @12:38PM (#7813222) Journal

        And we could prevent that with a lot less effort and a lot less difficulty if we simply beefed up the cockpit doors.

        Or armed all of the passengers. Imagine what would happen to a terrorist who tried to take over a plane if the pilot could hit a switch and unlock a half-size baseball bat at each seat!

        Might make it hard to get the terrorists to trial, though...

    • Most people here are talking about PC equipment and consumer technology. But I still remember years ago in the mid '70's when my father (an oceanographer) would travel on commercial aircraft with current meters (meters for measuring ocean data). At the time, these where a hardened metal cylinder about 10 inches in diameter and 18 inches long with some probes and a handle on top, the lid was held on with large metal clips. They still had a lot of mechanical components (for example the tape cartridge storag
  • Inconsistent rules (Score:5, Insightful)

    by arth1 ( 260657 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:16AM (#7812296) Homepage Journal
    I just find it strange that we're not allowed to bring a pair of pliers, but can bring a spear-like umbrella, and "safety" razor blades (which take around 2 seconds to "unsafe").

    It's even stranger that we are allowed to bring explosives like LiIon batteries... Bypass the fuse, short it, and you have a nice little bomb (as the owners of many a Nokia phone can attest to).

    --
    *Art
    • by JanneM ( 7445 )
      And that's really the core issue.

      If you view anything with a reasonable hardness and a real or potential edge or point as a weapon (which, realistically, it is), then the only way to secure a flight is to not let anybody at all on it (and that includes the pilots).

      Thing is, if you relinquish all trust, then you will end up with no travel at all. Oh, and "passenger profiling" is not trust - it is rather making "no-gooders" more, rather than less, likely on a given flight.

    • by selmer ( 37218 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:57AM (#7812505) Homepage
      The one that still annoys me most is being strip-searched for the silliest items imaginable (name your favourites here), while at the same time you are allowed to bring a big bottle of tax-free alcohol. Ever considered smashing it? Way more threatening than the average pair of nailclippers.
    • by Tassach ( 137772 )
      And of course you are still allowed to carry a walking cane. I don't know about you, but I think 3 feet of solid hardwood is a far more effective weapon than a razor blade.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:16AM (#7812297)
    Most important, leave the laptop at home unless somebody's paying you to take it along--borrow friends' computers or stop in any cybercafe if you feel compelled to check your e-mail.

    Oh yeah, that's exactly why I bought a laptop: so that I can pay a cybercafe to use a computer on the road.
  • What the? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by OS24Ever ( 245667 ) * <trekkie@nomorestars.com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:16AM (#7812305) Homepage Journal
    You allowed someone to look at secure FILES on your system? What on earth made you think they had the right, or the authority for that matter, to look at FILES? They can physically inspect your system, but they do not have any right to search your laptops electronic contents.

    I've flown about 85 - 90 times this year from a base out of either Kansas City International, or Raleigh Durham International.

    I've flown to Dallas, San Francisco, Oakland, NYC Laguardia, Des Moines, IA, Orlando, Miami, Chicago, Las Vegas, and other cities and have carried even two laptops, a cell phone/pda, a iPod, and between 3 - 7 paper back books.

    At the most I've had my bag physically searched because the x-ray guy couldn't see something quite right because a few of my chargers were laying weird. I've even been told what caught them up a few times.

    I've carried a backpak full of camera equipment (digital SLR body, three lenses, battery charger, extra batteries, video camera, two microdrives, and a Powerbook G4) through multiple times on vacation and never had a single concern.

    If a screener *ever* asked to see the contents of my laptop they'd get the verbal equivalent of a polite middle finger. There is *no* way any TSA screener needs to look at the contents of anything I have that is beyond a cursory physical examination.
    • Re:What the? (Score:4, Insightful)

      by October_30th ( 531777 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:19AM (#7812318) Homepage Journal
      If a screener *ever* asked to see the contents of my laptop they'd get the verbal equivalent of a polite middle finger.

      And after that? The best case: you'd never get your boarding pass. The worst case: you'd never get your boarding pass and you'd get to spend the rest of the day getting stripsearched and interviewed by the authorities.

      • 0) You should already have your boarding pass to be at that point.

        1) If they do that, you would be well within your right to press charges.

        They can make your life difficult, yes, but you have far more control of the situation if you know how to creatively remind them of your rights.
        • Re:What the? (Score:2, Informative)

          What rights?

          A captain has the authority to refuse to take you on board for whatever reason he/she thinks is appropriate and no-one can do anything about it.

          If cracking a bad joke about planes and tall buildings whilst queueing for the check-in can make you miss your flight, giving the security a hard time will certainly disqualify you from the flight.

          • Re:What the? (Score:3, Insightful)

            by OS24Ever ( 245667 ) *
            You know, all the flights i've been on and all the crews I've spoken with to make polite 'god this is a long flight' conversation, a lot of them do not really like some of the things the TSA does either.

            If I told a captain of the flight I was getting on that A) I've flown his airline 72 times this year so far and B) I don't want them to have access to company confidential information i'm betting the HUMAN that is the pilot would look at the crack smoking TSA guard and think he was insane as well.

            I'm gett
    • Re:What the? (Score:2, Informative)

      by supersmike ( 563905 )
      There is *no* way any TSA screener needs to look at the contents of anything I have that is beyond a cursory physical examination.

      Yes, yes, but aren't you getting a bit extreme? Why not type a short sentence into notepad and save it to your desktop for this occasion? This way everyone's happy.

    • by dr_dank ( 472072 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:26AM (#7812360) Homepage Journal
      What on earth made you think they had the right, or the authority for that matter, to look at FILES?

      You never know if those pesky terrorists found a way to make a boxcutter look like an email to Mother... :)
    • Re:What the? (Score:3, Informative)

      by beni1207 ( 603012 )
      Don't forget the TSA screeners have the ability to ban you from flying. For life. I wouldn't risk it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:17AM (#7812306)
    What is horror? I travelled from Durban to Amsterdam on september 15th, 2001, and still have pictures of every security-guard who frisked me on the way. "Make a picture, Sir. Show me its a real camera."

    Oddly, security-personell shouldn't let themselves get photographed. That's a violation of security. :P
  • by Anonymous Coward
    I have one of those old clunky IBM craptops. TSA not only made me turn it on, they had me open it up and check the internals.
    Luckily, those old IBM models come apart quite readily, just pop the keyboard to access the drives and battery.
    So I had to remove the C4 (wrapped in tin to look like a second battery) and the detonator (masquerading as a floppy drive), put them through the metal detector before they'd let me board the plane.
    But I must have crossed a wire when I reassembled it all, because so
  • by NickFitz ( 5849 ) <slashdot&nickfitz,co,uk> on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:21AM (#7812331) Homepage

    OT, but it is the holiday season...

    About a month ago, my brother's family flew to Florida from the UK, and my young niece's beloved teddy bear (travelling as hand baggage - she can't bear to be parted from it) had to go through the X ray machine at a US airport. The security officer in charge joked "How do you want it - medium rare, or done to a crisp?" She gave him a very hard stare...

    (Well, it tickled me.)

  • by grrr223 ( 668009 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:22AM (#7812337)
    because they took my mom's sewing scissors away from her, they have blades that are about 1/2 an inch long and are used to cut thread. However, she is allowed to carry knitting needles! Why don't they just let people bring knives on with them? I just don't understand.
    • They even did this to my then-girlfriend when I took her to court one day. They made her take out her cuticle scissors....

      I mean, come on, they've got armed guards. Cuticle scissors would hardly go through a layer of fat, much less do any real damage, plus that by the time they could be used, they'd have 17 bullets in the scissor wielder. I think they do it to feel like they have some sort of bullshit control, or feel more powerful, or something. It's retarded.
  • by M-2 ( 41459 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:22AM (#7812338) Homepage
    I mean, I flew, with my laptop, a week and a half after the Planes Hit, and didn't get any kind of ding from security. I've flown a bunch of times since then, and nothing. Four or five flights from Dulles in DC, and nothing at all like this.

    The worst I had was in Denver, where I hadn't realized my ID card had expired two weeks before (hey, I thought they all expired at the end of the month), and they just had me go through a secondary search. At that point, they had me boot the computer (which was easy, as I'd had it on standby instead of having to power it up), and checked my shoes.

    Since the TSA came in, I've been overall pleased with the situation - most of the people I've encountered have been pleasant, and the rest at least passable, and all of them have done their job with a minimum of stressing me out about it. While I'm not a big fan of 'add another federal agency', traveling by plane has actually gotten EASIER from Newark International since the TSA got up to speed, and I make sure to thank them for their help every time I go through.
    • by MoTec ( 23112 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:08AM (#7812567)
      I agree. Travelling with electronic gear is really not much of a hassle. I travel about every other week (just domestic in the USA) and I've not had any issues at all.

      I carry a laptop, pda, cell phone, and sometimes a digital camera and an mp3 player, all in my carry on bag, along with the power supplies, chargers and adapters for all of that. Also a CAT5 cable, phone cable, etc.

      I've got it down to an art... As I'm approaching the table I open up my backpack, put my cell phone in and take my laptop out. I also make sure my car keys and change are in the backpack.

      The backpack goes in a plastic tub all by itself - don't put anything on top of it or in the tub with it... For some reason they're picky about that. All the other electronic gear stays in my backpack. I usually take off my shoes and put them in a tub, too. That's about it.

      I've NEVER had to turn any of my electronic stuff on. Not the laptop, not the cellphone, not the PDA. Some airports might have different policies I suppose but I've been thru most of the major airports in the USA in the past three years.

      One tip... Don't be "that guy" that slows everything down. While you're waiting in line take your change out of your pockets, take off that pimp chain, take your cell phone out of your pocket... Put all that stuff in your carry on before you're at the table.

      Oh, and if you're that hot woman that went thru security in San Franciso last week wearing the studded leather jacket and no shirt or bra underneath it... By all means, forget to dress again before putting on you jacket. I know I enjoyed seeing your bare top and the stunned faces all around. I think the TSA guy enjoyed it too, even if he couldn't speak for a few minutes afterwards.
  • And how many geeks refuse to fly commercial flights because of TSA restrictions?
    • And how many geeks refuse to fly commercial flights because of TSA restrictions?
      I would be one of them.
    • Me.

      I carry a pocket knife with me everywhere. I use it everyday both on the job and for simply opening boxes. If they are taking sewing scissors away from people what will they do with my 3" blade?

      I'll drive, and arrive with all my tools intact.

      Hell. If the terrorists are gonna have knives, I want mine too.

      Altp.
    • Re:No fly? (Score:3, Interesting)

      by dougnaka ( 631080 ) *
      The new TSA restrictions hardly bother me, even though I am "radomly selected" to be searched on every flight I've been on since 9/11 (about 7). What bothers me most is the complete lack of customer service, the losing of checked bags, no room in the seats, delays, horribly managed temperature/environment, lines, stupid cheezy jokes, oh yeah, and all the other people.

  • by thirty2bit ( 685528 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:24AM (#7812350)
    I had my laptop bluescreen once while navigating the terminal security gauntlet once. I tried explaining to the woman "Uh, it doesn't normally do that" but got a blank stare in return. Almost like a stare of... acceptance. Then I realized she had already been taken by MS.

    The funniest encounter was when my chest set off the guy's wand when getting the body scan. He got this totally locked-up look as he tried to come up with some kind of reasonable explaination.

    Guy: Uh, did you have... surgery or something... uh... pacemaker?
    Me: No, that's my nipple ring.
    Guy: (big grin, sign of relief) Oh, OK!
  • by i.r.id10t ( 595143 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:26AM (#7812363)
    ... Apparently one of the common methods is to use a shill to slip in before you so your laptop is sitting at the other end of the x-ray machine while you are still waiting to clear. Thief then takes off with it.

    Last trip thru LAX, one of the "security" drones tried to get me to wait about 100 feet away from my work supplied laptop and other possessions, while he re-examined my shoes. Told him it wasn't gonna happen. He eventually agreed to me toting all my crap over, and then checking my shoes.

    Honestly, this whole security thing wouldn't bother me too much if it was done with any common sense - and if it actually made me feel a little more secure.
    • while he re-examined my shoes

      When some members of my family were in the US recently, they noticed that people's shoes were checked - except those who were wearing trainers.

      Someone should tell the relevant authorities that shoe bomber Richard Reid concealed his explosives in trainers. [guardian.co.uk]

    • Agreed; I've travelled a lot internationally and my favorite solution to this is in place at Hong Kong's airport: security gives you a big laminated piece of paper for each tray you put thru the X-rays, with a number that matches another piece of paper laminated to the bottom of said tray. On the other side of the machine, you can only pick up the tray(s) that you have the token(s) for. Simple, quick and pretty secure.
  • Last week I went through airport security 3 times, and not once was I asked to power up my 12" Powerbook. I was surprised by this, as many of the PC laptop users around me were asked to.
    • by Tenebrious1 ( 530949 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:24AM (#7812677) Homepage
      In the past three months, I've been through Kennedy four times, La Guardia 2x, Newark 4x, times, Detroit, Chicago O'Hare, LAX, Tokyo Narita 4x, Singapore 2x... and never have I been asked to turn on my laptop. They never bothered me about my PDA. They checked my shoes a few times, my flip-flops a few times as well, deep searched my backpack a few times. Maybe since I was travelling business class they didn't give me as hard a time as others.

      And yet, my daypack has four steel stays that make up the frame... pretty easily removed. Surprised they let me on with it. Aluminum uprights in pullman could also be used as weapons, broken duty free bottles of whiskey... I think the "security" measures are just to give travellers the warm fuzzys, I feel they're kinda worthless considering what you can bring on the flight..

  • by GoofyBoy ( 44399 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:29AM (#7812375) Journal

    Will airport scanners do any harm to CF/SD/Memory Stick cards?
  • by gaijin99 ( 143693 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:32AM (#7812393) Journal
    I've never understood the odd fixation the airport "security" corporations have with techie toys. Yes, I suppose you could hide a knife, or a small gun, or a small explosive charge, inside a laptop. However how does turning the bleeding thing on (which, as Mr. Berry points out, seems to be the whole point of many airport security types existance) proove that it doesn't contain hidden weapons? A smaller battery pack, designed for only a few minutes of life would provide ample space for concealing just about anything. Likewise replacing the CD or floppy bay with a false cover would provide a nice little hiding place for unpleasant things. Both would still leave the computer functional (at least long enough to get past Mr. Minimum Wage and bored).

    Airport security was a joke before Sep 11, and remains a joke today. At my local airport we have the same minimum wage, minimum training, minimum testing, "security" guards that we had prior to 9/11. The only difference is that now they want to make you think you're more secure so they add all sorts of obvious and invasive procedures. Show a photo ID, sure that'll stop terrorists, I'm sure they've never heard of fake IDs...

    Big surprise here: private, for profit, "security" corprations have the same priority that all private for profit corporations have. They want to make the most money by spending the least money as goal number 1. Actually providing security is, by definition, goal number 2 at the best. This isn't to say that private, for profit, corporations are bad. Its just a recognition of reality, the way corporate law works their prime goal must be making money, everything else is secondary. Real security might involve several things, but at the minimum it must involve removing the profit motive from security. Why? Because every dollar that goes into profit isn't going into *security*. I'd be happy if they started using real police officers as airport security.

    So, by all means, let's get busy not doing anything real to improve airport security, instead let's harrass the geek crowd. Not that I'm bitter or anything...

    • As for profit in the security, thier is not longer any. It use to be that the secuity at an airport were hired by the airport which were got thier money from the airlines, as the requirment was that the airlines provide the security. However with the recent law change all thoses people are now government employees or are being covereted over to that.
    • A small amount of explosive concealed in a radio cassette recorder brought down Pan Am 103 [bbc.co.uk]. If the passenger demonstrates that the device actually works, the assumption is that the the electronics have not been replaced with an explosive device. Still, advances in miniaturization may make it possible to have a fully working computer control /dev/bomb.

  • Pegoraro's advice for tech-inclined vacation travelers is that less is more.

    What is wrong with taking along music, maps, cameras, something to read, and games? Isn't that what people do to relax? Well, it's the 21st century and that sort of thing is done with laptop, handhelds, digital cameras, and all that.

    And it's a whole lot better than what we needed to travel with 50 years ago. Cell phones, for example, mean that you aren't at the mercy of hotels and their exorbitant rates. Laptops are a godsent
  • Lets face it.. (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Ryn ( 9728 )
    There'll not be an absolute hijacker-proof security policy in the US airports. Ever.
    All that's being done right now is creating an illusion of safety, and gives people headaches.
    What.....I can't bring my 1.5" swiss army knife on board? "Sir, please don't give me an attitude, or we'll have to step aside for a search" (actually happened).
    Those who want to hijack a plane, can do so with things that CAN be brought onboard. Hell......I even think someone could simply grab a soda can from the stuardess (I don't c
    • I always just figured get some metal shaped like a CD but in parts, so that one of the pieces was a knife. Stick thoses modified CD behind a bunch of others in a in a CD holder so that blend in. Now carry some tape with you to wrap around the other end of the CD to protect your hands, and now you have a decent size knife, with a sharp point and edges.
      The skies will not be safe until they start treating passangers like they did thoses in the movie "Con Air"
    • You obviously have no understanding of security at all.

      Of course there are still ways around the current security measures. And yes, you are right, there always will be. The problem with your logic is this:

      Just cause you can come up with a way to circumvent current measures, does that mean you should drop those current measures? You might think it's ridiculous to ban all knives, but as soon as we drop that policy according to your logic, suddenly we provide a very simple and very accesible way for anyone
      • suddenly we provide a very simple and very accesible way for anyone to bring a weapon on board. ANYONE can get a hold of a knife.

        I think that would be the point. In the same way that the public used to provide police services (forming a posse, deputizing "good" citizens temporarily, etc.) a hijacker would have a harder time if everyone was a well armed as he was.

        Think of it kind of like those movies where one guy pulls out a gun, and five hundred other people around him pull out their guns and point them
  • by RapidEye ( 322253 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:35AM (#7812409) Homepage
    I was traveling recently for a factory acceptance test for a peice of industrial equipment. We brought our own PLC (Programmable Logic Controller) with the power supply, CPU, and a couple of I/O cards. Because this is relatively expensive and fragile equipment, we took it carry on - BIG MISTAKE!!!
    They made us unpack everything (hassle, but understandable), then they wanted us to try and turn it on and see what it did. When we tried to explain that it required a special power supply to hook into (it is 110, but not a normal plug) and even if we turned it on, without any I/O devices hooked up to the I/O cards, they would see nothing but a couple of LED lights flashing. That made them even more mad.
    We tried to show them the manuals for the stuff, hoping that would ease some fears - hah, the techno babble irritated them more.
    Fortunately, we were at the airport with lots of time to spare, so we jumped on the cell phone, called a co-worker who then rushed over and picked up the stuff. We had him run it over to a Fed-Ex station and ship it to us at the vendors. Luckily we only lost about 6 hrs of testing time and a bunch of $$$ for shiping costs, but the agrivation and irritation suffered was significant.
    Maybe if the TSA hired people with a IQ over 50, things would run a little smoother.
    • by Johnny Mnemonic ( 176043 ) <mdinsmore@@@gmail...com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:37AM (#7812769) Homepage Journal

      Maybe if your company hired people with an IQ of over 50, things would have gone a lot smoother for the folks in line behind of you.

      I'm sorry that this is going to sound like flamebait, but you knowingly bring complicated electronics that don't work in a normal environment, and expect them to look at the product manuals to verify that they're not a bomb? What exactly does a printed manual verify, besides the fact that you have access to a laser printer?

      Next time, try carrying on nothing besides a clue. Don't bring anything that your mother wouldn't understand after 30 seconds. They have to default on the side of caution, as they should.
    • A friend got something similar with a Tascam DA-98 (multi-track professional audio recording device). Security was not at all sure of what to make of something in a large, hard, plastic and metal case with lots of odd controls and displays on it. He had anticipated this and had a power cord, tape with audio on it, and pair of headphones. Still it tool an explosive sniffer adn some time before security was convinced that it wasn't any kind of threat.
  • This is slightly off topic, but its related and worth mentioning.

    I went to a football game about a month ago and the Superdome and, as we were going in, they were searching everyone's bags (manually). This makes some sense but more to the point gives them some legal protection is there is a problem.

    The woman in front of me had one of those stylists combs with the long pointed plastic handle. They required her to throw it away before entering. The amount of damage that she could do with that comb before
  • Randomness (Score:5, Interesting)

    by mwillems ( 266506 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:39AM (#7812429) Homepage
    It's mainly random idiocy. I travel 120,000 miles a year and see the same.

    - In Vancouver they want me to REMOVE batteries. In Toronto they want me to turn the equipement ON and leave the batteries connected.

    - In Toronto every first passenger boarding is searched. How long till the terrorists realise they should board as passenger 2 instead?

    - I carry at least one ham radio. Big trouble when they see it. Big antenna. So before travelling I tune the radio to a public FM broadcast station and when they ask "what is that" I say "a radio" and turn it on to that broadcast station.

    - Don't start me on the shoes.

    - No cellphones in the cabin on some flights; OK on others. Random again.

    - No cell phones while flying, I can understand. But all our PDA's and laptops with 802.11b are always on, blasting 2.4 GHz signals all across the pacific, and no-one cares.

    - The thing with the shoes.. in Orlando the security person recently told me "all those with laptop PC's must remove their shows". Huh??

    It's all very very silly but if you look respectable and smile, all is OK. I;ve never had anyone take anything and I am mr gadget: over a dozen electronics bits in my briefcase every time I travel. Actually enjoying to see the security propls sweat trying to understand what the equipment is...

    Mike

    • Re:Randomness (Score:4, Interesting)

      by bug-eyed monster ( 89534 ) <bem03NO@SPAMcanada.com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:15AM (#7812602)
      Umm, the past year, I've flown quite a few times between Vancouver and Ottawa, and I haven't run into any of the things you mention. At every security check, I simply separate my electronics and they scan it for explosive residue without turning it on. That's all.

      I've never had any hassles whatsoever, and it's always been consistent. I'm definitely not white and I look quite like a would-be terrorist, so it's not like they're being discriminating. In fact I was going to post a comment about how security checks in Canada have been nice and non-intrusive.

      I wonder, have your experiences in Canada been with internal flights or flights going to the police^WUnited States?
    • Re:Randomness (Score:3, Informative)

      by pauljlucas ( 529435 )

      No cell phones while flying, I can understand. But all our PDA's and laptops with 802.11b are always on, blasting 2.4 GHz signals all across the pacific, and no-one cares.

      For the millionth time, the prohibition of cell phone use is an FCC rule, not an FAA rule. It has to do with cell phone "seeing" too many towers simultaneously because of the added 3rd dimension of flight, i.e., the cell phones are above multiple towers simultaneously and cause problems for the cell providers.

      The FCC doesn't care abo

  • tools (Score:2, Informative)

    by spamchang ( 302052 )
    i was told to go back to the counter and check in a handful of tools i was carrying in (pliers, a bike spanner, a half inch wrench, and a couple of seven-sixteenths wrenches). small stuff really, but apparently since they haven't specified exactly how large of a tool can or can't be brought onto a plane, no wrenches or metal tools can go on board.
  • by the_mad_poster ( 640772 ) <shattoc@adelphia.com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:42AM (#7812439) Homepage Journal

    We've not had any incidents with bombs in laptops, but we will never let our guard down.

    I've never had an incident with a bomb in my morning coffee either, but I check it religiously every time!

    Seriously... I wouldn't expect them to stop checking laptops.. but uh.. why focus on them if they've never actually been used as a weapon before? I'd think you could swing the thing around and hit people with it like a (crappy, unbalanced) mace. That seems like a more likely use of a laptop as a weapon than it carrying a bomb. Even putting in some sort of electronic jamming equipment, as unlikely as it is to actually work, seems more likely. I do not think the $7 Rent-a-cops have gotten the hang of this whole "security" thing, yet.

  • Wine glasses (Score:4, Interesting)

    by JohnGrahamCumming ( 684871 ) * <slashdot@ j g c . o rg> on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:42AM (#7812441) Homepage Journal
    I travel regularly on a large American airline. I sometimes get upgraded to First because I travel so much.

    In first class they give me a plastic knife and fork. And then they hand me two _glass_ wine glasses. I've never tried smashing one, but I assume that they are not specially hardened and therefore would be breakable and usable as a weapon.

    This seems like a bad idea.

    John.
  • One security screener even asked me to log in, decrypt and look at files on my notebook's desktop

    Provide more details. What airport, what circumstances? Has this ever happened to anybody else, ever? I can't even remember the last time I had to turn on my laptop, let alone imagine the screener who knows what "decrypt" means.

    • by ayahner ( 696000 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:53AM (#7812489)
      Gonna have to say, the author of this one might have been geeking it up with the screener.

      Occasionally(!?!) you meet the geek who is SO happy to decribe his devices, that when asked, he offers WAY more information than necessary.

      "Uh, can you turn it on, please?"

      "Sure, buddy, but everything is 128-bit encrypted, and I need my secure session login keychain to get at all my mp3s I Kazaa-ed last week."
      With a puzzled expression, and shakily asks, "Uh, can you un-encrypt it, please?"
      "You mean DE-crypt it. In the business, we say DE-crypt. Lotta laymen say un-encrypt, but you really should say DE-crypt."
      "Uh, the business?"

      "Yeah!" With a big 34 year old pimply smile.

      "I'm in tech support."
  • by The Llama King ( 187264 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:44AM (#7812457) Homepage
    I've got sleep apnea, and so I travel with my CPAP machine. This is a device which keeps a constant air pressure flowing in my nose, which in turn keeps the tissues in my throat open while I sleep.

    The machine looks like a very small bedside humidifier, only with an LCD screen, buttons and nobs. It also comes with a six-foot-long flex tube, a reservoir for heated water and a mask not unlike the one Dennis Hopper used in Blue Velvet [imdb.com].

    It's become my 2nd carry-on bag, replacing my notebook computer, which now goes in my suitcase.

    Screeners' reaction to this device has been mixed, to say the least. Some have said, "Oh yeah, that's a breathing machine. We see these those all the time." Others have asked me to assemble it and power it up, and don't appear to understand what it's for even after 3 or 4 attempts at explanation.

    It's a real hassle, however, since not traveling it and using it could result in heart attack, stroke and/or death, I put up with it.

  • by mwillems ( 266506 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @10:47AM (#7812470) Homepage
    Talking of the randomness of all this:

    The sign I saw a couple years ago at New Delhi airport said it was forbidden to carry on the usual supsects (weapons, bomb, poison) plus "cricketballs" and "other round objects".

    Go figure.

  • ... even when it is pointless. It would be tempting to blame the President and administration, which many love to hate, but they simply reflect the opinions of the electorate: "Do something!"

    So they do. Confiscating box-cutters is pointless now -- they only worked once, because for years the "paradigm" for dealing with hijacking was: "obey all orders of the hijackers until landing". Now that we know, there may be no landing, the paradigm is different and the boxcutters (and scissors, and small knives) are useless to terrorists, as they will not help against the dozens of passengers with NOTHING TO LOSE.

    The scumbags knew that -- all four attacks were timed to coincide, because such trick will only work once. Still, there are indications, the last attack failed, because the passengers have learned what they are facing.

    But allowing to bring boxcutters on-board is politicly impossible with today's electorate and hence -- praise democracy -- the elected.

  • Couple of stories... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by (H)elix1 ( 231155 ) <slashdot.helix@nOSPaM.gmail.com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:19AM (#7812635) Homepage Journal
    I travel with two or three laptops, four to six laptop battery packs (total), collection of hard drives, an iPaq, blackberry, mobile, and digital camera. When they ask, "do you have any electronics?" I'll chuckle and reply most of them... for the most part, this is a none issue. A couple things did cause me some grief, however.

    I created a homemade external battery pack for my iPaq a few years back. Pulled out the soldering iron and parted it together to run off a collection of rechargeable 'd' cell batteries. Apparently, someone in the security line freaked when they saw it - but only had minimal delays.

    I occasionally go to a firing range and do a little pistol shooting. I was using a tradeshow laptop bag to hold my weapons and expended brass. My main bag broke, so I emptied the pistol bag (being very careful to not accidentally pack any ammunition) and ran to the airport. Missed the flight because my bag lit up when they swabbed it. No trouble other than talking to a bunch of people... but still, what a pain.

    One of the things that seems to trip up the security folks - especially in EMEA - is how long I keep a laptop and how many people have access to it. I usually get to trade up laptops every quarter (and schlep off the older, but now fully configured box to one of the other Sales folks). Since these laptops are really mobile dev servers (IMHO), when I respond, "do you mean physical access to the laptop, or from a remote access standpoint?" Always gets them...

  • by iiioxx ( 610652 ) <iiioxx@gmail.com> on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:41AM (#7812812)
    Yes, screen for obvious threats like firearms and bombs with tools like x-ray machines, dogs, and chemical sniffers. But quit harrassing everyone by trying to find every nail file, screwdriver, pocket knife, etc.

    The simple answer is: nightsticks. Issue every adult passenger a nightstick. Anybody tries something funny, there's a hundred people with hard, heavy sticks ready to pound his ass. I also expect that it should improve the service from the stewardesses. The airline could even put their logo on it, and let the passengers keep them as souveniers. It'd be good marketing!

  • A real How-To (Score:3, Insightful)

    by costas ( 38724 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @12:22PM (#7813108) Homepage
    I travelled 150k+ miles a year across the globe until recently. Here's a quick how-to on travelling with gadgets (laptop, multiple adapters/converters, a PDA and at least one cellphone):

    Stuff almost everything in a small carry-on bag. A professional-looking backpack is the best (the backpack part for ergonomic, not security reasons).

    Wear as little metal as possible. That includes shoes with metal inserts in the soles (a lot of plain-looking walking or dress shoes have those). Get a coin purse and stuff your change in the purse and that in your carry-on.

    When going thru security, do not rush, follow instructions even inane ones ("yes, I will turn on that Palm V for you sir"). Do not tell them that you got a flight to catch or attract their attention in any other way. Since you're not carrying anything dangerous (right?) it will be far faster for you to go with the flaw and accept the default process rather than try to explain your reasons for short-circuiting it.

  • Rare problems (Score:3, Insightful)

    by KC7GR ( 473279 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @02:36PM (#7813927) Homepage Journal
    Except for the more intensive laptop examinations, and the longer lines, I've not noticed any real changes at the checkpoints.

    The biggest issues I had were...

    --Coming through Seatac to meet my wife as she returned from Florida. Had my Motorola portable radio (an MT2000) with me, as I was keeping in touch with some (amateur radio) friends of ours while I waited for the flight. By odd chance, it happens that the security screeners also use MT2000's, but not the VHF model that I had. Red flag! I got asked twice if it could work on "their" frequency, and told them (twice) "No, it's not even in the same band as yours." I know this to be true, because the security guys work on the Port of Seattle's 800MHz trunked system. They let me through, but I could tell that you could whack them over the head with the facts, and they still wouldn't "get it."

    --On a change-of-planes at Atlanta, while traveling from Seattle to Orlando. I had already been thoroughly screened, and there was no additional X-ray type security checkpoint when simply changing gates to get to the next flight. Despite this, and for reasons still unknown to me, I got all but strip-searched by the morons at a specially set-up secondary checkpoint at the gate. I was wearing open-type sandals (the all-terrain type) with no socks, and I still got asked to take 'em off. Go figure.

    I would agree with another poster: Dress well, keep a cool head, and be prepared to explain anything you're carrying, electronics-wise, in full.

  • by EvilStein ( 414640 ) <spam@BALDWINpbp.net minus author> on Friday December 26, 2003 @07:21PM (#7815161)
    Just saunter up to the screening station almost butt naked.
    Last time I flew, I put *everything* in the plastic bucket and was wearing nothing but my Teva sandals, some sweatshorts, and a really cruddy wife-beater tank top. I looked like I was nearly homeless.
    They barely gave me a second look. Fortunately, I had packed *nice* clothes in my carry-on and changed as soon as I could.
  • by ScottSpeaks! ( 707844 ) on Friday December 26, 2003 @11:02PM (#7815821) Homepage Journal
    Several years ago (pre-War On Terror[TM]), one of the wires supplying battery power in my PDA (Psion Series3) came loose while I was travelling. I was waiting at the gate in O'Hare for a flight to London when it happened, and I would have been quite lost on my trip without the data in the device. The button cell that maintains memory when the main battery is dead had a limited life, and wouldn't last the flight. And what if someone demanded that I turn it on for them? So I spent my layover attempting repairs using my Swiss Army knife and a travel sewing kit from an airport newsstand... all the while thinking of the scene in a then-recent movie in which the bad guy uses a Psion Series3 as the detonator for a bomb on the plane. I half-expected to be hustled away by airport security (heck, I would've detained me, if I were them), but no one questioned me, and I managed to restore power to my PDA before they announced boarding for my flight.

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