20th Anniversary Of Computer Viruses Commemorated 260
DoraLives writes "Our good friends at the BBC are celebrating the 20th anniversary of the computer virus. So, viruses are no longer teenagers and are now entering adulthood, as 'there are almost 60,000 viruses in existence and they have gone from being a nuisance to a permanent menace.' What wonders shall there be to come, as these marvelous bits of code continue to grow and multiply?" We ran a recent BBC-authored story on the psychology of virus writers.
"Celebrate"? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:5, Funny)
If it doesn't kill you, it makes you stronger... something like that.
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
But is there were no viruses to exploit the holes, then the holes would not need to be fixed.
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
uh, that's why the parent post got +3 funny. irony, you know.
more importantly! if there weren't viruses, how many of us would be out of a job? now that's something to celebrate.
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
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If it didn't do anything --> it would die
If I didn't like it --> it would die
However, it would randomly change and replicate until it did something I liked. Maybe it would even grab programs that I use a lot and try to borrow functions from them.
Things like this are nice experiments for virus-type structures. The virus that works well I would let live and continue to "m
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
Search code could be this way as well. Randomly change the code and have an external program measure the speed of the searches. If the searches are improving, the external program supports that virus line... if it's get slower, then it would kill it off.
You have pretty much just described a genetic algorithm [felk.cvut.cz]. I can thoroughly recommend this book [amazon.co.uk] as a good starting point for learning about genetic algorithms.
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
Actually, I'm not familiar with any biological viruses that have proven beneficial, other than having the effect of strengthening the hosts immune system (which is observed in software systems as well, with improvements in virus detection systems).
There was an example of a beneficial virus [slashdot.org] posted on Slashdot the other day.
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
And as far as
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:5, Insightful)
today, the viruses are copycats or from virus kits or just plain wannabe's writing junk that happens to work and take advantage of huge holes.
I suggest you actually learn about these buggers, they are absolutely facinating and the early ones are just plain old damned impressive.
It's like the old Demo scene... amazing things with tiny bits of code.
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:"Celebrate"? (Score:2)
If computers weren't popular enough to have viruses, we'd all still be virgins.
Wait a year. (Score:5, Funny)
Think about it. This really is something to celebrate.
Next year the viruses can legally drink.
A drunken virus should be much easier to thwack.
Wrong anniversary, this is their 21st. (Score:5, Informative)
Sorry, but Fred Cohen was not the first virus writer.
These viruses can already drink, and they can probably vote on a Diebold machine. They may already have...
Re:Wrong anniversary, this is their 21st. (Score:3, Informative)
Why wait? (Score:2, Insightful)
Does this mean that they'll ... (Score:5, Funny)
Their mother and I have put up with enough!
thank you, thank you.. (Score:5, Funny)
We'd like to thank the Academy, the little people and most of all Microsoft for making all this possible. Here's to another 20 good years.
[applause]
Re:thank you, thank you.. (Score:2)
And all the folks who double clicked on me, in alphebetical order: Aarron Aardvark, Adam Acres, Audry Acres, Barnaby Acres ...
Re:thank you, thank you.. (Score:3, Interesting)
People write for MS because it's what people use.
Microsoft apologism.
There were viruses on the Mac "back in the day", UNIX worms and Linux worms but MS doesn't have enough fingers to stick in the dike. Consumer product recalls don't come about because many people use them, they come about because of flaws in the product. Software companies are immume to these types of recalls and we all pay.
Re:thank you, thank you.. (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:thank you, thank you.. (Score:5, Insightful)
I've got a great counter-example for that. Microsoft's IIS web server runs about 20% of all web sites, while Apache runs 70%. By your logic, Apache should be the server everyone attacks.
I've been running a copy of the Apache web server on my home computer for the last three months. During that time, I've logged 22,000 attacks on my server. And every last one of those was attacking it as if it were IIS.
Re:thank you, thank you.. (Score:2, Interesting)
The first picture in the article... (Score:3, Funny)
support@microsoft.com
sup
They let it happen; now, they're sending it to your doorstep.
i'm celebrating by (Score:5, Funny)
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Scary (Score:5, Funny)
Disturbing. Very disturbing.
Re:Scary (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, it means that its almost time for another SCO article.
This just in.. (Score:2)
SCO is right now considering pontential legal action against these individuals, but have in the mean time offered a licence to use their IP, for the low low price of $599 per CPU affected by such IP. This has been nicknames "L
Re:This just in.. (Score:2)
At least that could be a way to get rid of ancient worms that still are very widely spread, lets ask for US$ 700 to everyone infected with virus like nimda or msblaster to see if they worry a bit about that. A lot will be grateful with SCO for that.
In the same line... maybe the first properly called spam comes from an UNIX system (I think it was in usenet history in google), maybe SCO could sue all spa
Re:Scary (Score:3, Insightful)
Good point. Electrical Engineers know that microcontrollers rule the world. Now although Microsoft is interested in the gaming side of things, I for one would be terribly worried if Microsoft actually started to get the world to use its microcontrollers (along the lines of Motorola 68K etc.). These core units are found in just about every electrical device you have contact with. I would seriously shit my
What wonders shall there be to come (Score:5, Insightful)
Aren't they at least 21? (Score:5, Interesting)
Anyone old enough to know what I'm talking about?
Re:Aren't they at least 21? (Score:2)
Re:Aren't they at least 21? (Score:4, Interesting)
virus. It seems like that was more than 20 years
ago... but it wasn't. It was 1990.
I remember there was a lot of hoopla about how
there was a "Friday The 13th" virus that was
going to attack the computers of the UC system
in August of 1990.
I bought a motherboard and a 10Mb HD from a
Taiwanese sutdent at UCLA who was going into the
PC hardware business.
The HD came with DOS and a copy of speed.com
installed... I noticed the first time I ran it
that speed.com reported an odd, inexplicable
value for the processor MHz.
After m$ word failed with a checksum error (m$
products failed more gracefully in those days)
I compared word.exe to the copy stored elsewhere
on the HD and found some odd strings. I managed
to get an almost clean copy of the viral code by
writing a short assembly program and running it.
I reported this to the SEASNET folks, and in a
couple of hours they called me back and said
"congratulations, you have isolated the Friday
the 13th virus".
I asked them to keep my name and department out
of the press release, hence it became known as
the Westwood virus in honor of the location of
UCLA (go figure).
Anyone remember this one... (Score:2, Interesting)
Good ol' days....
Viruses signal the organic nature of the net (Score:5, Insightful)
Viruses, worms, trojans are way past the point of being expressions of individualistic derangement.
They represent the nasty side of the biology of the Net: the fact that any simulated or real ecosystem produces more parasites than non-parasites, and that non-parasites have to spend a significant amount of energy fighting off the bugs.
Two decades is not significant in itself, but it should be a stark warning that viruses are not going to go away, that the Net is turning "wild", and that we need something other than daily antivirus updates to keep our systems safe.
Re:Viruses signal the organic nature of the net (Score:2)
The difference here is that we, as people, have an almost unlimited power, as compared to our physical biological ecosystem(s).
...) provides somewhat
Our ability to alter the fabric of i-space (dynamic network reconfigurations, recompilable open-source megastructures,
Re:Viruses signal the organic nature of the net (Score:2)
For good, or evil. The bugs in your stomach took many million years to go from deadly to cooperative, and they don't preclude a zillion other bugs that see you as a walking buffet.
Our physical biological ecosystems represent 3 billion years of massively parallel real-time calculations. What happens in the natural world is not particularly 'inefficient' or 'limited', it's just the conclusion of long and unrelenting application of natural laws.
What we're s
Re:Viruses signal the organic nature of the net (Score:2)
Heh, well said. Sex is definitely a proven method of shuffling defenses that allows genetic patterns to propogate -- by staying ahead of the competition in a competitive system.
You named two faces of the future: "total and utter chaos, continuous warfare" and "a balanced system obeying natural laws". You call them "the same thing, two points of view." I agree with that observation, but there is more to
Re:Viruses signal the organic nature of the net (Score:2)
Re:Viruses signal the organic nature of the net (Score:2)
Viruses don't work like organic viruses, but viruses, trojans, worms, spammers together work like parasites, and this is not an analogy, but intended as a literal statement. They represent a parasitical strategy which succeeds because the 'honest' strategies do not protect themselves enough.
XBox viruses? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:XBox viruses? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:XBox viruses? (Score:3, Funny)
Now we're all going to be flooded by worms/viruses from zombie X-boxes.
I'll remember to blame YOU for this.
Re:XBox viruses? (Score:2)
Simple: (Score:3, Insightful)
There's also not much to gain since Joe Home User won't be putting anything on the X-Box that JSK would want.
The virus would also have to wedge itself permanently into the system. Otherwise a simple press of the reset button and *poof* cured.
What do you do when your gaming system acts up?
Reset. Console don't get viruses because it's (virtually) impossible by design to make any permanent effects. All Nintendo systems are immune because the system do
Re:Simple: (Score:3, Informative)
I believe that's not true for the XBox which actually has a HD and I believe you can update your XBox via XBox Live.
Re:XBox viruses? (Score:2)
This just came to me. What if Xbox is only a prelude to DRM based computing? What if the next Windows only accepts Signed Code, and will only run on DRM HW?
Talk about Monopolies!
Re:XBox viruses? (Score:2)
I can see it now, you get get your next PC for $0 and HAVE TO buy all your software from M$.
Re:XBox viruses? (Score:2)
Ok, sure, you compromise a Mechwarrior or 007: Nightfire savegame, execute your buffer overflow, and your virus is in core. ( Assuming your victim has either game, and that they'll then go and load that particular save. )
Now tell me, how are you going to infect the Mechwarrior/007 savegame in the first place? Few people take advantage of the ability to use USB mass storage as XBox memory cards, and of those, fewer still would be dim enough to download trojanned savegames from an unknown source. Even the
Journalists (Score:5, Insightful)
"there are almost 60,000 viruses in existence"
Why do journalists insist on sticking poorly researched figures in a writeup? Do they think that this somehow makes it all seem more credible? This number is clearly just a count from a virus checker's definition file summary. I bet they failed to include or even comprehend the fact that viruses are not a Windows only thing - heck, game instructions for the Amiga would insist that you hard booted your machine to get rid of potentially evil RAM content type stuff.
they made a typo (Score:2)
I think they also got the number wrong, it's missing several 0's. It should be something like "six hundred mega-zillion", or some other gigantic number that I would write out if I knew how many 0's to add.
What virus menace? (Score:2)
However, I get haraased by viruses on a daily basis... as part of my free geek tech support that people assume I run. In my opinion I wish viruses would totally trash hard disks as then I could just tell people to buy a Mac or install Linux for them instead rather than being forced to clean up - a long and painful proces
Once and for all (Score:3, Interesting)
Londo and the Computer Demons (Score:3, Interesting)
This equates to artificially intelligent versions of viruses, complete with very sophisticated capabilities. A script kiddies delight. Of course, properly written, it could be dangerous to play with, taking out a few script kiddy systems in the process.
(imagine demonic voices coming out of a system - "Who dares summon me?")
Re:Londo and the Computer Demons (Score:2)
Imagine? Hell, my PCs have already been possessed three times. It asks where I want to go today, which freaks me out -- Why does my computer want to know where I'm going!?!?!? Luckily, I know just what to do.
I splash Holy Water all over it. I know it works because the demon emits smoke, fire, and sparks in his death throes. Unfortunately, the PCs never work after exorcism, but I don't care, as long as that demon is dead/banishe
Viruses and OS X (Score:4, Interesting)
Now the point of my story - My friend looked into exactly what Norton was checking for, and it turns out that almost half of the viruses it was checking for were actually Microsoft Word macros. Now, I don't know that much about Word macros, but I'm assuming that most of the ones that would mess up a Windows box are different from those that would mess up an OS X box. So before anyone says that virus only show up for windows because it is the most popular, also realize that Micro$oft can't even write a secure word processor.
Re:Viruses and OS X (Score:2)
Re:Viruses and OS X (Score:2)
You're missing half of the point.
You want your OS X virus scanner to identify those Windows-based Word macro viruses, even if they can't affect your Apple, so that they cannot affect other, Windows-based machines, when you pass that document along to someone else.
Without that virus check, you may not be susceptible to Word macro vi
Re:Viruses and OS X (Score:2)
This has always sounded like a bogus argument to me. Because more Linux boxen are servers in important roles and because the Linux internals are out there for everyone to see, Linux ought to be a more appealing target for virus writers except that it is more fundamentally secure than Windows. Windows is a more popular target because it is so easy to hijack, not because it is more popular.
also realize that Micro$oft c
Re:Viruses and OS X (Score:2)
Only half? With the latest version, it's around 95%.
Scriptable programs... (Score:2)
Tell me, if Linux users regularly sent perl/python/[scripting language of choice] code integrated with OpenOffice to eachother, and expected it to be run without having a clue of what it does, how many similar viruses would there be?
The problem is what it is trying to be, which is far more than a word processor. The macros/VB scripts try to be some
Re:Scriptable programs... (Score:2)
do windows users really do this?
no, really, how usual it is that those macros are used in static word docs for anything useful?
Yeah, old stories (fuzzy feelings) (Score:4, Funny)
Nowadays, with the advent of MacOSX (chugging along, thanks) and Linux, these little critters are a thing of the past....
Oh! You mean that they aren't exctinct like the ill-fated dinosaucers!?!? Geez! You mean they only run on MS Windows! You kidding? And to help them procreate and run rampant like in the ancient days, uncle Bill leaves the ports open??? Good 'ncle Bill!
PS: before the hordes of trolls and uninformed bots advocating the alleged security-via-obscurity of MacOSX come in by the legion, please do a google and a slashdot search (yes it even was published here) on PowerPC shell-codes, thank you. After having read and thouroughly understood the ample PDF's, come back and dare to post.
SPOILER: the CS library next to you surely has a publicily available wrinkled PowerPC assembly and arch book for you, go read them.
Wait for it.. (Score:2)
Viri! Virii! Viruses! Viren! Viris, viriis, virexies, virusenixien!
Okay, now there's no need for anymore of that.
The first virus? (Score:2)
First infected program called 'VD' (Score:2, Funny)
Only counting distinct instances? (Score:2)
Are they not counting trojans, worms, and the other ancillary definitions of malicious programs?
Viruses (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Viruses (Score:2)
Just tell that it is BSD dying!
Re:Viruses (Score:2)
Christ, throwing out a technical term to these people is like dangling a fake steak in front of a dog. He wants it, thinks he needs it, but when he gets it, he discovers he has no idea what it is at all.
These are people I've had to explain the concept of the megabyte to.
Downloading virus definitions? (Score:3, Interesting)
So at this rate, how long until the virus definition files for your AV software are so big and so frequent that you need broadband just to stay updated enough to maintain a reasonable level of protection?
How long until it takes gigs of storage space to store them all?
Wonder if Symantec, McAfee, etc., will offer a remote storage service in the future? Does everybody really need to store the same list of virus definitions on C: ?
Are virus definitions the future of AV or will heuristics and other "AI" get good enough in the foreseeable future that the one-off approach of definitions will become obsolete?
Re:Downloading virus definitions? (Score:2)
Yes. Someone mentioned that McAfee Clinic stores virus definitions on the server. I don't really know what he means by that, but it has to at least store the signatures and an ID number for each detectable virus on the local machine. (Once it knows "you have virus ID 0xdeadbeef", it can request details and removal code from the server.) The alternative is to send all your hard drive contents to them to check every time you run t
Subtle jibes and jabs (Score:2, Interesting)
While virus writers are usually socially adept, many hackers are not.
That's the only line that really stuck out to me in this story... If you read on, however, it looks like they're talking about crackers of sorts. Any idea on who they're trying to insult here?
Being nostalgic (Score:2)
Worms are TWENTY-FIVE years old... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Worms are TWENTY-FIVE years old... (Score:2)
MOD PARENT UP, please (Score:2)
Good catch on going to the original source - if John Walker believes he was the first, I'm 99.9% inclined to believe him.
In my world (Score:2)
I so seriously hate those guys. If a button that caused all their heads to explode appeared before me no power in the universe could prevent me from pressing it. Repeatedly.
blame Canada (Score:2)
evil evil hackers. Someone should track them all down. Maybe some company could hire bounty hunters.
Superman theme comes on Wait look up in the router
It's a packet
It's a flame
Superman theme dies out
Oh damnit it's just another Microsoft flaw
my bad
Fred Cohen's original article (Score:3, Interesting)
Unfortunately I cannot find a web resource for it, but the original article appeared in Computers and Security. The article includes source code in a cross between pseudo-code and a shell command language.
The original article is:
Computer Viruses Theory and Experiments
Fred Cohen
Computers and Security no. 6 (1987)
Pages 22-35
Elsevier Science Publishers, BV (North-Holland)
This article was followed by a plethora of misguided "containment" articles also in Computers & Security. Cohen proved them wrong again in:
Computational Aspects of Computer Viruses
Fred Cohen
Computers & Security no. 8 (1989)
Pages 325-344
Elsevier Science Publishers, Ltd.
As an aside, I read that Mr. Cohen had to wait several years before being able to publish his papers because not a single publication in the US would print his articles. The first article is very entertaining and instructional.
Cohen's first computer virus pseudo-code:(If I have time to scan them, I'll post a link to page scans of these articles; right now I have too much work.)
Cheers,
EugeneThat can't be (Score:2)
Anyone remember BITNET? (Score:2)
Around Xmas, someone wrote a script that displayed a pretty Xmas tree
Dropped all of BITNET like a stone for days.
Not to Ruin the Fun... (Score:2)
There is a webpage dedicated to it (with source!) at this location [skrenta.com].
"Elk Cloner: The program with a personality"
It will get on all your disks
It will infiltrate your chips
Yes it's Cloner!
It will stick to you like glue
It will modify ram too
Gah. (Score:2)
Next time you do an article about virus writing, would you care to mention how Microsoft lowered the bar for virus writers by creating a simplistic macro system with no security and way too much power, (for a word processor, no less!) and has since done nothing to fix this systemic flaw in their products?
How about a little credit where credit is due here, or a little investigative reporting? You could run 'controversial' stories with headlines like "Do users have a right to expect secure software
The "Lehigh" virus (aka PC-AIDS) (Score:2, Interesting)
I was a student consultant at the Lehigh University computer center (Bethlehem PA, USA) in 1986 when the "Lehigh" virus surfaced. We called it PC-AIDS and told people to wear their "floppy condoms" (write protect tape). A few consultants (Loren Keim et al) wrote the antivirus program for it.
As far as I know, this was the first virus to get national attention. A letter from our center's director was
The first? I'm not so sure (Score:2)
I didn't know who wrote the first one, but I'd written one in I believe the fall of 1984 (could have been that winter). Not that I thought I was first, but it was at least pretty early. Nobody had heard the words "computer virus" before, and I certainly didn't use them. I called it a "self-replicating program." In my version I hooked the command interpreter for Apple DOS's "catalog" command and made it copy it
"Almost" an accurate article (Score:2, Insightful)
Is anybody else bothered by this statement? "Almost every year"? I can certainly find hundreds of examples for each year.
20 years?? What about my PET? (Score:2)
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"Your computer has been infected by a virus.
Please place a blank cassette in tape #1 and press play and record.
When finished, please mail this tape to everyone in your address book who has a PET computer."
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Mind you it never spread very far..
PET virus source code.. (Score:2)
20 print "Your computer has been infected by a virus!"
30 print "Please place a blank cassette in tape deck # 1 and press play and record."
40 print "When finished, please mail this tape to everyone";
50 print " in your address book who has a PET computer."
60 save "I LUV U",1
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I'll now wait for the police to call..
Remember when you first. . . (Score:2)
Wasn't that one of the coolest days ever? It was like Sci-Fi come to life!
Of course, it became an annoyance, but I still think the idea is pretty darned interesting. If somebody was writing about our world as a piece of speculative fiction, (and this is indeed what our world seems like most of the time to me, especially today), then the computer virus was probably one of the more inventive and award-winning ideas which pushed the book onto the best-seller li
Re:One more year and... (Score:2, Insightful)
It represents a full generation. e.g. One cadre of people have grown up for their whole lives in contact with both the realities of the thing and the meme.
This might inicate both better virus and better defenses.
It also might just be a slow day for the news.
Re:One more year and... (Score:2)
> > They can legally drink?
> Twenty one is the legal drinking age last time I checked. But...
Wow, Twenty plus one equals 21! You're both right!
Re:I thought this was the first virus (Score:2)
Re:Celebrate!? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Really? Only 20 years? (Score:2)
We used to also blast control sequences straight to the terminal (since the default in BSD 4.2 and 4.3 was to allow anyone to write to any terminal). The one that we used a lot was the "hard reset" sequence of the vt220, which dropped the RS232 line and triggered a logout, but people rapid