Homebrew Rackmount Watercooling 213
Airspirit writes "For those of you who believe that bigger is always better and have multiple computers in your house,
this system may be a way to keep them all cool and organized. As an added bonus, it will heat a medium sized apartment all by itself!
This article at Pro/Cooling gives a step by step walkthrough describing the evolution of this five gallon monstrosity. Not only does this cover the construction of the cooling system, but the drawbacks such as algae prevention and maintenance as well."
Cool! (Score:3, Funny)
What?
Oh, Mountain Dew...
Darn!
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AMD (Score:5, Funny)
And for those who think I'm joking, I haven't run my heater in my apartment since I bought my AMD last winter.
graveyhead just failed to mention... (Score:3, Funny)
And for those who think I'm joking, I haven't run my heater in my apartment since I bought my AMD last winter.
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My cat sure thinks so, laying on top of the monitor is his favorite spot. He likes to use by wireless router/firewall as a pillow to rest his head on. It's hysterical.
Re:AMD (Score:2)
Just hope he doesn't get the idea to piss on your monitor, or you'll come home to fried kitty one day...zzzap!
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Re:AMD (Score:3, Interesting)
This past winter, for some reason our central heating died for a few days. My room (with my
lovely AMD Athlon 1.2GHz) was the only warm room in the house
my room became a living room of sorts for the family that week.
In any case, the point is that those AMD CPU's run QUITE hot
I remember back when the AMD (socket not slot) Athlons were first released, some tech review
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Re:AMD (Score:5, Funny)
This famously loud machine drown out the street noise from outside- and I live on Amsterdam Ave., in Manhattan (a noisy street in a noisy town).
Ironically, putting the computer to sleep (which spins down the drive and the fans) makes it more difficult for ME to sleep...
Just the opposite for me. (Score:5, Informative)
The exception is if you use a large ventilation fan to blow into an open case. (been there done that.)
I DO use my computer as a whitenoise generator at night though. I've seen people charge $100-200 for whitenoise generators, when a simple program on a PC can do the trick. Under Linux, do a search for "whitenoise". Nice small program.
Under Windows, so far the best solution I have come up with is to use Octave to generate a white noise (actually, "pink" noise, i.e. white noise that has been lowpass filtered) waveform, save it to .wav, and set Winamp to play it in an infinite loop.
Octave code to do this:
This creates white noise at a high level up to abour 2.2 kHz, and then additional noise at a much lower volume up to 4.4 kHz or so. You can adjust the cutoff frequencies (Second arguments to both fir1() functions and the ratios of volumes to your preference.Note that I generate a noise array and then dupe it three times before filtering it and then truncating it again. This prevents discontinuities in the final waveform that would present audible clicks/pops after every loop. (Similar theory to some of the tricks used to make seamless tiles in The GIMP.)
You make noise? (Score:2, Funny)
You make noise?
I mean, you MAKE noise so that you can sleep?
Hell, I turn off my Apple/PC to have NO noise.
And I live in the middle of town.br.
Yes I do. (Score:2)
CPU fans are the exception, as these emit rather high-frequency narrowband noise. I'm talking about larger fans of the 2-foot+ variety. Hard drives are also too high pitched, plus the heads make all sorts of nice clicking sounds.
The output of that program is broadband n
Re:AMD (Score:3, Interesting)
However here in the summertime it causes the room to be noticeably warmer than the rest of the apartment; the in-window a/c unit has to work overtime to keep that room cool.
To be fair, the PC I had before this one (dual PIII500â(TM)s) al
Re:AMD (Score:3, Insightful)
I have here a dual Athlon MP 2000+. The temperature measured at the heatsinks is 56C and 62C. The difference is because one has arctic silver on the heatsink and the other the AMD thermal pad stuff.
Anyway, this thing gets amazingly hot. A bit more, and I couldn't hold my hand on top of the case, and it's got 9 fans in it! When I enter the room I notice that it's noticeably hotter than the rest of the house, even though that the computer is near an open window.
Now,
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You should see this thing eat through climatology models with 3 gigs of ram
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When I first put my AMD together, it was the beginning of summer on a Sunday and all the computer stores in the area were closed.
Unfortunately for me, the CPU fan and two case fans weren't enough to keep the CPU at a temperature to run the machine for more than about 10 minutes...
Luckily, I hadn't put the window air conditioning unit in for the year at that point. The temporary solution was to open up the side of the case, stick the air conditioner right up to it, and set it full blast. My cpu hasn't
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Ack... (Score:2, Funny)
Neat (Score:3, Funny)
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No pun intended, right? :-D
Please don't even remind me... (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Please don't even remind me... (Score:2, Funny)
I couldn't help but laugh as I looked at your message then looked at your sig about a superior intellect.
energy consumption (Score:5, Interesting)
Well actually (Score:2)
No, see, they'll be combined. We'll leave our bodies, transform ourselves into pure energy, and travel among the wires à la Matrix or Serial Experiments Lain.
And instead of traffic jams, we'll have DoS jams.
Re:energy consumption (Score:2)
for that to happen transportation will have to use a LOT less energy. The fuel I use to get to work every morning could run a small generator powering three racks of [routers/servers/DSLAMs] for HOURS. Multiply times (everyone else who's driving) and thats a lot of energy consumption.
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Bring on the traditional /. jokes (Score:5, Funny)
jokes! It has to do with water cooled systems. So,
let's see...
1. The water must be boiling! Har har har!
2. Time for some more coolant! Har har har!
3. The radiator must have blown a gasket! Har har har!
4. Imagine a beowulf cluster of . .
5. They need to switch to a better coolant than water! har har har!
Oy, this is sooooo predictable. Mod this down because I
close with a traditional "slashdot sucks" comment.
Algae prevention? A plecostomos??? (Score:5, Funny)
Now I suppose someone's gotta code Perl::FishFeed to make sure the algae prevention measures are in place....
-B
I love those things. (Score:2)
So my parents bought a pleco. Tiny little thing, maybe 1-2 inches long. We called it "Lucky" due to the abundance of food in the tank.
Lucky lived for 12 years, far longer than any other fish we've ever had. And man do those things GROW. By the time it died it was nearly a foot long and thicker than its original length. It probably would've been twice the size if we'd had a larger tank.
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Slashdotted (Score:5, Informative)
Get yer pictures right here... (Score:2)
Their site was working enough that the page loaded from the Google cache would, after a (long) delay, pull in the images. I saved all three pages with Mozilla and zipped them up. Enjoy.
Re:Get yer pictures right here... (Score:2)
Make that all six pages now (phases 2 and 3)...same URL as before.
drawback? (Score:5, Funny)
Algae prevention is a drawback? Remind me to never eat from the submitter's refridgerator.
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That way little bottom-feeders (and no, I don't mean CowboyNeal) can clean the algae for you. Salt-water might also help the cooling process
Oooh
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It'd be cool as hell...but last time I checked, copper (the material used for most waterblocks/radiators/heater cores) isn't so good for fishes. You'd end
biosphere project (Score:4, Funny)
Why prevent the growth of algae? With algae, this object fully supports your personal biosphere.
And it's an alarm clock too! (Score:5, Funny)
7:19 a.m. - water cooling system begins to be put to the test
7:27 a.m. - Slashdeath results in a high pitched whistle caused by steam venting from piping.
7:27:05 a.m. - Apartment dweller wakes.
Rube Goldberg would be proud.
Hombrew? (Score:5, Funny)
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New applications on the horizon (Score:3, Funny)
CPU heat exchange engine providing enough energy to power your PC.
Behold the perpetual PC!
Re:New applications on the horizon (Score:2, Interesting)
coming from the CPU, HDD's, RAM etc to power the computer. I'm not suggesting that this could
possibly furnish all required power (IE not a perpetual computer
could be transferred so that it would contribute somewhat to the powering of the
computer. If this was efficient, and significant enough, it could save us a lot of money on our
power bills in the long run
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The priming knob is a way to open the safety valve manually to get some gas to the pilot burner so you can light it in the first place.
A modern boiler uses electronic ignition, and senses the flame electronically. This is easy. Fire is a chemical reaction; in a chemical reaction there are charged particles in motion; and where there are charged particles in motion, a current can be made to flow. In practice the current is about a microamp for a small pilot flame, or several uA if the main burner is lit directly {which is now becoming more common}. Lighting a bigger burner does not, of course, require a higher-energy spark, as the activation energy of a chemical reaction is independent of the quantities of reagents present. But it does allow you to get away with even simpler plumbing {only one gas valve instead of two} and it also saves one relay on the circuit board.
I know all this from my previous employment
Coming back to thermocouples, you can make a thermocouple junction from any two dissimilar metals. They only need to be twisted together; you can cold-weld them. Soldering introduces a third metal, but doesn't make any difference to the voltage as you then have 2 junctions: metal A to solder and solder to metal B, and the First Law of Thermodynamics says that Vas + Vsb = Vab.
The problem with using thermocouples to generate electricity from a processor is simply that you need a large temperature differential for them to work well, and a processor is only reaching about 60 degrees or so with a heatsink -- it will melt at about 160 degrees, but the PTC {positive temperature coefficient} effect means it will stop working around 120 degrees, as the electrical resistance of the power and ground connections becomes too great for reliable operation.
Even if you let the processor get up to 80 degrees, this is still only 60 degrees above room temperature, and this small difference won't produce a lot of millivoltage. Of course, you can connect thermocouples in series -- such an arrangement is known as a thermopile, and has been used to power a wireless set from the flame of a paraffin lamp. You need to put a hot thermocouple junction into series with a cold junction, and so on. The catch is that you need for there to be a large temperature difference between the hot and cold ends, but the more junctions you introduce into the thermopile then the more paths there are for heat to be conducted from the one side to the other.
You could cool the cold junctions with liquid nitrogen, but you might as well just pour the N2 on the processor.
Older processors with larger feature sizes were more immune to overheating, as the PTC effect was enough to protect the chip from meltdown. I've seen old pentium MMXes run with no heatsink -- they typically last just long enough to boot Windows 95, then seize up solid, but they can survive the experience! I wouldn't trust a modern Athlon without a heatsink, though.
And, since not all of the electricity supplied into a processor is converted to heat in the processor {some of it is converted to other forms of energy and/or converted elsewhere}, then you won't get the full amount back.
Update::Servers Have Overheated (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Update::Servers Have Overheated (Score:2)
Did the 5 gallons of water prevent the server from bursting into flames, or is it no better than fan cooling?
Darn! (Score:3, Funny)
Hope that coolant is kosher... (Score:5, Funny)
Article Author (Score:5, Informative)
And he always said he wanted more traffic, hehe.
Anyway, the reason I have so many machines is that I do professional web design and database programming, an obscene amount of gaming, and host multiple network services. From top to bottom you have:
PC 1: Gaming, development (WinXP/Mandrake 9.1)
PC 2: Wife's office computer (WinXP/Mandrake 9.1)
PC 3: Linux network server
I host a mini-ISP out of my house for the neighborhood, so the Linux server helps keep bandwidth consumption down as well as providing other services my customers demand.
I have a KVM that allows me to swap between PCs 1 and 3, and she has her own equipment for her PC (I just leave it alone
Anyway, I better go run and hide before Joe hunts me down!
Airspirit
Yoshi's Mod (Score:3, Interesting)
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One thing I haven't figured out is if water has enough thermal-conductivity to do without a heat-sink on the CPU. I'm not sure about fish, clean an aquarium is enough of a chore without trying to vacuume fish feces of the cpu and not knock a memory stick loose.
Google Cache view (Score:3, Informative)
"..for those of you that think you know .. (Score:4, Informative)
Water flow rate? Tubing size? (Score:3, Interesting)
"Hello Help Desk?" (Score:5, Funny)
"My computer has an algae problem."
HD: "Well, is it blue-green algae, or just regular green algae?
"How do I tell?"
HD: "Oh for pity sake! Go to START, Programs, Algae Management."
"Ummm.. Maybe I should just shut down and go spend some time outdoors?"
Re:"Hello Help Desk?" (Score:2)
User: "But I've just plut bleach into the water tank. Do I need anti-biotics too?"
dave
Equipment placement is probably a cheaper solution (Score:2)
I originally placed all the equipment right on top of each other, leaving 12U open. What a mistake! It was up about 30 minutes before the RAID array complained of multiple drive failures and one of the other servers was hung hard. The entire rack
Hey guy! a little science here please! (Score:2, Insightful)
I don't claim to be a scientist, but one thing struck me when I was reading the page about your project. At the end you kind of complain about the ambient temperature in the room from your cooling system. But you also complain that your stage 3 temperatures were higher then your Stage 2 temperatures. Yeah, I'll bet. If you really want to know what is just from the cooling system you have to adjust the room temperature so it is constant.
I mean, it it's the winter time in the first example and your temp
...people like Mr. Airspirit... (Score:2)
his avocation: cooling!
Re:I don't understand (Score:2, Insightful)
Oh, music, movies, games, web, chat, photos... you know - fun!
Re:I don't understand (Score:4, Informative)
I just feel sorry for the poor guy. The heat must get unbearable when those things start churning. Maybe he should use the water cooling system to cool himself off instead
Re:I don't understand (Score:2, Funny)
That is the reason why I don't have a rackmount system.
Wife: (dressed in red and black leather with 12" heels) Clean up this electronic mess CRACK!
Me: (in a submisive, but slightly excited tone of voice) Yes mistress, thank you mistress, may I have another?
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
Uh, isn't the point of water-cooling / air conditioning etc. that you put the radiators outside? Perhaps the next project will involve a steam-powered turbine to provide combined heat and power to the neighbour's home.
10% discount for hosting your server-farm near to a power-station, water-cooling provided for free...
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-Mr. Spock
I invested in rack mount cases and an enclosure a few years back, and haven't regretted it. If you have little floorspace and need several machines, racks can't be beat. They use airspace that is otherwise wasted. Mine uses a closet.
But God Allmighty, it's not cheap.
Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
(relay style racks)
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Re:I don't understand (Score:2)
You're "in physics"? I'm "in physics" and I can picture lots of reasons (simulations, data analysis) where I could justify a cluster. Well, OK my wife won't let me...
But, more to the point: put in fast internet access. Add a hardware firewall. Run that into a Switch / Router. Have a machine for development. A test environment (a separate machine so we don't hose the development machine). And any number of machines for cross compiles. Oh, and we can't forget the machine for my wife
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:2)
I guess DRTFA should be a new common (polite) phrase...
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:5, Informative)
You are bound to have the following happen.
1.) Be marked as overrated, troll, or offtopic to a -1 karma
2.) If someone other than me does reply they will either mention the FAQ, or provide you with a link [slashdot.org].
3.) Someone will actually "tell" you what the FAQ Says
Slashdot should cache pages to prevent the Slashdot Effect!
Sure, it's a great idea, but it has a lot of implications. For example, commercial sites rely on their banner ads to generate revenue. If I cache one of their pages, this will mess with their statistics, and mess with their banner ads. In other words, this will piss them off.
Of course, most of the time, the commercial sites that actually have income from banner ads easily withstand the Slashdot Effect. So perhaps we could draw the line at sites that don't have ads. They are, after all, much more likely to buckle under the pressure of all those unexpected hits. But what happens if I cache the site, and they update themselves? Once again, I'm transmitting data that I shouldn't be, only this time my cache is out of date!
I could try asking permission, but do you want to wait 6 hours for a cool breaking story while we wait for permission to link someone?
So the quick answer is: "Sure, caching would be neat." It would make things a lot easier when servers go down, but it's a complicated issue that would need to be thought through in great detail before being implemented.
Answered by: CmdrTaco Last Modified: 6/14/00
4.) Someone might actually answer your question ...
Basically it all boils down to slashdot doesn't care if it causes an effect similar to that of a denial of service attack. They feel that since they are linking to a public webserver that they are doing no more harm than say a search engine. The caching of a webpage would mean that they would have to invest time and technology into a caching system (which they have neither the programming experience or capabilities) and not to mention money in the hardware (gotta store the things).
It's a weird situation, slashdot publishes a story acknowledging That there are smaller servers [slashdot.org] that never intend to have the amount of traffic that they get. Just so happens that no one has actually sued slashdot yet, which happens to be the only thing the editors fear more than being fired.
So will you see a change, no, and why? Because of the above mentioned reasons and because those responsible for building slashdot are lazy and not innovative. You want innovation and caching then I would highly reccomend google. Just post in the subject line of most slashdot stories, since most of them are usually a week old, they've already been cached.
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:2)
100% Offtopic
Cute ...
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:2)
We always hear people complain about the slashdot effect and I was earnestly asking for clarification which you provided and am happy with.
Contrarily to some people that just mod me down and keep me in the dark you actually did something constructive by explaining things to me. Thank you.
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:2)
Contrarily to some people that just mod me down and keep me in the dark you actually did something constructive by explaining things to me. Thank you.
I stopped caring about karma and moderation a long time ago, I post how I feel and I figured you asked a decent question and deserved a decent answer.
If I were to implement caching (Score:2)
Then, every minute, it would send a small HTTP request (like for robots.txt) and keep track of the response time. Maybe it could even generate a small postage-stamp sized log-scale graph of the response time as a PNG and insert or link to it from the front page, so you'd know how the site is holding up before clicking on the links.
Once the response time has increased by a c
Re:Wouldn't it be nice if Slashdot included a copy (Score:2)
translation: We're to lazy to figure out how to write a caching script intelegent enough to realize that if it's caching example.com, the links to doubleclick.com are ad banners and should be drawn off the URL listed instead of the translated cache URL.
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*gnaw*
%-)
Even more important, algae - use waterbed disinfec (Score:5, Informative)
The trick then is that the water containment needs to be waterproof sealed, otherwise as the water evaporates, you'll have chemicals floating around in the air of your house.
no not bleach. (Score:3, Interesting)
I've been algae and critter free** for over year now with no maintenance required at all.
* This is probably the best coolant you can buy. It is free of all corrosive chemicals that "regular" coolant has, and it prevents corrosion due to dissimilar metals better than other coolants. ** My PC watercooling rig is pristine and clear and free of bacteria and algae and small animals.
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