Good company culture leads to success. Bad culture leads to eventual failure or at least under-performing your industry.
Any company that approves of this sort of surveillance is clearly displaying an out of control terrible culture. This is probably a few terrible managers who are feeling left out in the cold and exposing how they are not actual contributes to success who are pushing for this sort of BS. The upper management is not displaying any leadership skills by curtailing such out of control behaviour. Even worse if they are the ones encouraging it.
I both hate and love companies like this. I hate them because they are making people miserable. I love them because hiring their best miserable people is super easy. You don't have to offer them more money, a better location, or anything like that. You just tell them. "I will stop punching you in the face every day." and you have a winning offer.
Bingo. It's hard to do management-by-walking-around, when you can't walk around. It's even worse when your absense shows absolutely zero change in your team (or maybe even improvement)
Problem is that companies like this last forever. The big companies really have no penalties for "optimizing worker performance", unless some PHB accidentally says something that someone recorded (good luck with that), and with their paid for syncophants in Congress, expect the US to only support this. It is only corruption-free governments like the EU who might even have the cojones to stand up to companies and crappy worker conditions. Hell, even China has made moves to deal with 996 shops.
This is what I think should happen, it hits the middle ground: 1. employees employ a virtual avatar, and all it does is switch between "sleeping", "away", "typing", "in front of screen", "looking away from screen", and "idle". This can be controlled either by looking at the keyboard/mouse interrupt rate, not the keys being pressed for privacy reasons.
Or you know, employ a vtuber avatar and accomplish the same.
Basically it's something for the employer and co-workers to use as a virtual "I'm at the desk"
Good company culture leads to success. Bad culture leads to eventual failure or at least under-performing your industry.
Any company that approves of this sort of surveillance is clearly displaying an out of control terrible culture. This is probably a few terrible managers who are feeling left out in the cold and exposing how they are not actual contributes to success who are pushing for this sort of BS. The upper management is not displaying any leadership skills by curtailing such out of control behaviour. Even worse if they are the ones encouraging it.
I both hate and love companies like this. I hate them because they are making people miserable. I love them because hiring their best miserable people is super easy. You don't have to offer them more money, a better location, or anything like that. You just tell them. "I will stop punching you in the face every day." and you have a winning offer.
There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
Merriam-Webster: b: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
Merriam-Webster:
b: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
Speaking of Merriam-Webster:
https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com]
Basically, culture is a set of customs and beliefs which are common to a social group. Corporation is a hierarchy, just like the army. The "customs and beliefs" are pushed and enforced from above. If your boss changes, the whole "culture" may change in an instant. I have been in such situations. The problem is that corporation is not a social group, it's a hierarchy, established with the express purpose of making money for the owners. The hiera
Anthropomorphism would be talking about culture between companies. Company culture means the culture between the people within the company. Any group of people interacting over time constitutes a culture. This is just simple fact.
As long as there are people working together, there will be a culture there. Cultures can evolve to become surprisingly different from other groups with similar makeup and/or purpose. Culture is affected by everything from formal policies, the behaviour and attitude of people with formal power, the behaviour and attitude of people with informal influence in the group, and just the general makeup and history of the group and all they take with them. It will often change over time, but has an inherent inertia or even state: the same group with the same formal rules but a different "start" could function quite differently.
Many, many people have experienced the culture being wildly different at different companies, and seen that it affects not just the quality of life for employees but also the performance the company. Many people have changed companies because of the culture. Many people have left a job they used to like because the culture changed. Try telling them all it doesn't exist.
You could get lucky and get a fine internal culture by chance, but companies that ignore the effects of culture and their power to shape it do so at their peril.
The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
Supposed by whom? God? The government? The owners? Shouldn't that be up to them, not you?
Meaning and purpouse do not exist in the external universe. They are artifacts of the mind. Consequentially, they are make little sense without specifying whose mind we are talking about. Which one you pick changes everything. When I take up a position with a company, MY purpouse with the company is what matters to ME.
There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
If only it was so black and white that "good company culture" and "make money" are orthogonal to each other and one has no relation to the other. I suppose that's what MBA class teaches nowadays - that people are simple mindless automatons that can be plugged in and out like a lightbulb.
Employment is a give and take - employees give time to make money. Employees will put in as much work as they feel they are wroth. A healthy corporate culture where managers enable their underlings to get work done and help solve problems, is generally a more profitable workplace because people who feel valued actually do work harder.
Likewise, people who have to be whipped into working either are deadweight and you have to keep whipping them for work to get done because they have nowhere else to go, or are looking for elsewhere to go. Either way, they're not putting full effort into the work and just doing the minimum necessary.
On the flip side, people talk. If you have a job opening and you're known as a company that exploits people, you won't attract the best talent - the best talent know they can do better, and they look for other opportunities. You'd just get the desperate talent, the ones who are doing it just to get a paycheque.
The science is there. Making money isn't easy and humans are one of the worst things about running a company because they're complex machines that cannot be simply treated as "money in, work out".
The real problem is a "good corporate culture" is a very vague thing to do. It's not "fancy meal options" or "play rooms" or "ping pong table" and it almost certainly can't be bought with money. It encompasses a whole range of things from pay and benefits to working conditions and supports and many other parts.
It's also about how do you accommodate different people. Some people feel work is "money in, work out" and that's it. Others may wish for more support or community - perhaps someone is having a birthday and they'd like a few people over to celebrate. It takes a good manager to be able to handle both properly.
Well, there is no such thing as "company culture". There are good managers, which create conditions conducive to making money and there are bad managers, usually embodied in Dilbert's boss, lovingly known as "PHB". Employer buys time and work from its employees. Employee value the money more than they value the time and work they put in. The prices are usually being regulated by the market, unless the government doesn't try to intervene, usually with disastrous consequences.
Corporations are hierarchical or
To be honest I'm fairly sure this sort of surveillance would be outright illegal in the EU and UK anyway, it would be deemed excessive data collection which is illegal under GDPR.
So I agree with you, but I'd also argue that this is only even possible in the first place because countries like the US have abysmal privacy rules.
> You just tell them. "I will stop punching you in the face every day." and you have a winning offer.
This reminds me of a place I worked once where they changed the rules on the bonu
What I have never understood is that a company hires a lot of people but apparently has no way to tell if that staff is actually accomplishing anything. I get that not everybody is making toasters and you can't just count boxes at the end of the week and know who is productive. However the notion that you can "hide" in a large company and wank around all day without consequence just means they've got things set up incorrectly. Having big brother visually spy on you surely must be the last resort and an ad
Good company culture leads to success. Bad culture (Score:5, Interesting)
Any company that approves of this sort of surveillance is clearly displaying an out of control terrible culture. This is probably a few terrible managers who are feeling left out in the cold and exposing how they are not actual contributes to success who are pushing for this sort of BS. The upper management is not displaying any leadership skills by curtailing such out of control behaviour. Even worse if they are the ones encouraging it.
I both hate and love companies like this. I hate them because they are making people miserable. I love them because hiring their best miserable people is super easy. You don't have to offer them more money, a better location, or anything like that. You just tell them. "I will stop punching you in the face every day." and you have a winning offer.
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This is middle-management trying to save their own damn jobs
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Indeed. Much like how we discovered how we discovered digital advertising was absolutely useless during this pandemic.
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Problem is that companies like this last forever. The big companies really have no penalties for "optimizing worker performance", unless some PHB accidentally says something that someone recorded (good luck with that), and with their paid for syncophants in Congress, expect the US to only support this. It is only corruption-free governments like the EU who might even have the cojones to stand up to companies and crappy worker conditions. Hell, even China has made moves to deal with 996 shops.
I've been at
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Bingo.
This is what I think should happen, it hits the middle ground:
1. employees employ a virtual avatar, and all it does is switch between "sleeping", "away", "typing", "in front of screen", "looking away from screen", and "idle". This can be controlled either by looking at the keyboard/mouse interrupt rate, not the keys being pressed for privacy reasons.
Or you know, employ a vtuber avatar and accomplish the same.
Basically it's something for the employer and co-workers to use as a virtual "I'm at the desk"
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Good company culture leads to success. Bad culture leads to eventual failure or at least under-performing your industry. Any company that approves of this sort of surveillance is clearly displaying an out of control terrible culture. This is probably a few terrible managers who are feeling left out in the cold and exposing how they are not actual contributes to success who are pushing for this sort of BS. The upper management is not displaying any leadership skills by curtailing such out of control behaviour. Even worse if they are the ones encouraging it. I both hate and love companies like this. I hate them because they are making people miserable. I love them because hiring their best miserable people is super easy. You don't have to offer them more money, a better location, or anything like that. You just tell them. "I will stop punching you in the face every day." and you have a winning offer.
There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
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There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
Merriam-Webster:
b: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
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There is no such thing as "company culture" or "company values". Companies are being established to make money for the share holders, nothing more and nothing less. There are corporate policies which may or may not be conducive to business. Anthropomorphism has gone too far when it comes to corporations. Companies are not bound by morality, companies don't have a culture. The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
Merriam-Webster: b: the set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution or organization
a corporate culture focused on the bottom line
Speaking of Merriam-Webster: https://www.merriam-webster.co... [merriam-webster.com] Basically, culture is a set of customs and beliefs which are common to a social group. Corporation is a hierarchy, just like the army. The "customs and beliefs" are pushed and enforced from above. If your boss changes, the whole "culture" may change in an instant. I have been in such situations. The problem is that corporation is not a social group, it's a hierarchy, established with the express purpose of making money for the owners. The hiera
Re:Good company culture leads to success. Bad cult (Score:4, Informative)
Anthropomorphism would be talking about culture between companies.
Company culture means the culture between the people within the company. Any group of people interacting over time constitutes a culture. This is just simple fact.
As long as there are people working together, there will be a culture there. Cultures can evolve to become surprisingly different from other groups with similar makeup and/or purpose. Culture is affected by everything from formal policies, the behaviour and attitude of people with formal power, the behaviour and attitude of people with informal influence in the group, and just the general makeup and history of the group and all they take with them. It will often change over time, but has an inherent inertia or even state: the same group with the same formal rules but a different "start" could function quite differently.
Many, many people have experienced the culture being wildly different at different companies, and seen that it affects not just the quality of life for employees but also the performance the company. Many people have changed companies because of the culture. Many people have left a job they used to like because the culture changed. Try telling them all it doesn't exist.
You could get lucky and get a fine internal culture by chance, but companies that ignore the effects of culture and their power to shape it do so at their peril.
The only thing that companies are supposed to do is to make money.
Supposed by whom? God? The government? The owners? Shouldn't that be up to them, not you?
Meaning and purpouse do not exist in the external universe. They are artifacts of the mind. Consequentially, they are make little sense without specifying whose mind we are talking about. Which one you pick changes everything.
When I take up a position with a company, MY purpouse with the company is what matters to ME.
Re:Good company culture leads to success. Bad cult (Score:4, Interesting)
If only it was so black and white that "good company culture" and "make money" are orthogonal to each other and one has no relation to the other. I suppose that's what MBA class teaches nowadays - that people are simple mindless automatons that can be plugged in and out like a lightbulb.
Employment is a give and take - employees give time to make money. Employees will put in as much work as they feel they are wroth. A healthy corporate culture where managers enable their underlings to get work done and help solve problems, is generally a more profitable workplace because people who feel valued actually do work harder.
Likewise, people who have to be whipped into working either are deadweight and you have to keep whipping them for work to get done because they have nowhere else to go, or are looking for elsewhere to go. Either way, they're not putting full effort into the work and just doing the minimum necessary.
On the flip side, people talk. If you have a job opening and you're known as a company that exploits people, you won't attract the best talent - the best talent know they can do better, and they look for other opportunities. You'd just get the desperate talent, the ones who are doing it just to get a paycheque.
The science is there. Making money isn't easy and humans are one of the worst things about running a company because they're complex machines that cannot be simply treated as "money in, work out".
The real problem is a "good corporate culture" is a very vague thing to do. It's not "fancy meal options" or "play rooms" or "ping pong table" and it almost certainly can't be bought with money. It encompasses a whole range of things from pay and benefits to working conditions and supports and many other parts.
It's also about how do you accommodate different people. Some people feel work is "money in, work out" and that's it. Others may wish for more support or community - perhaps someone is having a birthday and they'd like a few people over to celebrate. It takes a good manager to be able to handle both properly.
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To be honest I'm fairly sure this sort of surveillance would be outright illegal in the EU and UK anyway, it would be deemed excessive data collection which is illegal under GDPR.
So I agree with you, but I'd also argue that this is only even possible in the first place because countries like the US have abysmal privacy rules.
> You just tell them. "I will stop punching you in the face every day." and you have a winning offer.
This reminds me of a place I worked once where they changed the rules on the bonu
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