Bigger problem? People don't HAVE TO update to 11. Those infected with the "gotta have the latest" might feel left out. The rest are just using their computers like they use to before 11 was announced.
Plenty of old software and hardware are still great, but we've had very limited windows (hah) where Microsoft has effectively supported multiple OS versions. They've already EOL'd 1909, which wasn't even 2 years old, and it's not hard to imagine them doing the same for more recent "windows 10" releases.
To be fair, this problem isn't new with windows 11, they've been terminating recent OS releases for years. With the new branding there will be more of a focus on this though.
Anyone with "gotta have the latest" already upgraded their hardware at least once since 7th-gen Core CPUs came out. They won't be effected at all.
It's people that are trying to get more useful life out of still useful hardware that Microsoft drew an arbitrary line in front of. But I agree that Windows 10 isn't going to magically disappear from existence the moment 11 is released. This is all a whole lot of whining that happens literally any time a major operating system version is released for literally
Unless you have some killer app, like the latest and greatest game (that is basically just an iteration of games we've played for two decades now), why do you even need brand new hardware?
My system is pushing ten years old and still does everything I need out of it. There aren't any new games being put out that would entice me to upgrade my hardware.
I suppose if you are doing video editing, compiling huge programs or something that was really CPU intensive, then you may find some huge advantages in upgradin
Will they release security patches after 2025? If they will then no need to upgrade. If Windows 10 is end of lifed as indicated it won't be very usable after that.
Well, what I miss is the "environmental" part of all this... I'm sure Microsoft wants to profile itself as a "green" company. But by simply invalidating millions if not billions of devices out there, because they don't have TPM 2.0 (which has absolutely zero consumer benefits) and creating gazillion tons of new e-waste this way, doesn't exactly feel like a "green" strategy at all...
Apparently Linux doesn't agree [archlinux.org] with your "zero consumer benefits". Security benefits everyone just like getting our Covid-19 shot benefits everyone.
In this case, it's for DRM, which doesn't benefit us as consumers. Most of the time it just gets in the way. DRM doesn't even stop online cheating, which is probably the biggest problem in gaming.
Of course, the people that want this are the copyright holders. Outside of fucking over artist, I'm not sure what they do. Maybe 20 years ago but now a days you really don't need some huge company to make and promote music.
This isn't about security but rather vendor control over the consumers' hardware.
The idea behind the TPM was that it is supposed to protect your keys, even if your computer gets rooted.
It is the only method that I personally find secure enough to be used for online banking without any external key-storage (such as a smartcard + card reader and one-time passcodes).
That said, I have very low confidence in Microsoft actually keeping the rest of the system secure enough for the TPM to matter anyway. I'll do my banking from Linux or from a dedicated banking computer.
I find it hard to be concerned about online security when major service providers and retails can't keep our data safe. I use a password manager and an updated web browser. Outside of that, my best bet is just to monitor for fraud activity because you are not going to stop your personal information from ending up on the dark net for sale. Probably already there if you shopped at Target or had/have a T mobile or sprint account.
But by simply invalidating millions if not billions of devices out there, because they don't have TPM 2.0 (which has absolutely zero consumer benefits) and creating gazillion tons of new e-waste this way, doesn't exactly feel like a "green" strategy at all...
Nothing is "invalidated" until 2024, when Win 10 support ends, and the hardware that no longer runs Win 10 in 2024 will be approaching ten years old.
Win XP, Win Vista, Win 7, and Win 8/8.1 have all had support dropped, yet still run on millions snd millions of devices, why is it different with Win 10 with three more years of full support from MS?
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Bigger problem? People don't HAVE TO update to 11. Those infected with the "gotta have the latest" might feel left out. The rest are just using their computers like they use to before 11 was announced.
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Plenty of old software and hardware are still great, but we've had very limited windows (hah) where Microsoft has effectively supported multiple OS versions. They've already EOL'd 1909, which wasn't even 2 years old, and it's not hard to imagine them doing the same for more recent "windows 10" releases.
To be fair, this problem isn't new with windows 11, they've been terminating recent OS releases for years. With the new branding there will be more of a focus on this though.
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Anyone with "gotta have the latest" already upgraded their hardware at least once since 7th-gen Core CPUs came out. They won't be effected at all.
It's people that are trying to get more useful life out of still useful hardware that Microsoft drew an arbitrary line in front of. But I agree that Windows 10 isn't going to magically disappear from existence the moment 11 is released. This is all a whole lot of whining that happens literally any time a major operating system version is released for literally
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Unless you have some killer app, like the latest and greatest game (that is basically just an iteration of games we've played for two decades now), why do you even need brand new hardware?
My system is pushing ten years old and still does everything I need out of it. There aren't any new games being put out that would entice me to upgrade my hardware.
I suppose if you are doing video editing, compiling huge programs or something that was really CPU intensive, then you may find some huge advantages in upgradin
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Correction, people that simultaneously 'gotta have the latest OS' but remain oddly content to run it on 5 year-old hardware...
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The software you use stops working under windows 10.
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Well, what I miss is the "environmental" part of all this... I'm sure Microsoft wants to profile itself as a "green" company. But by simply invalidating millions if not billions of devices out there, because they don't have TPM 2.0 (which has absolutely zero consumer benefits) and creating gazillion tons of new e-waste this way, doesn't exactly feel like a "green" strategy at all...
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Apparently Linux doesn't agree [archlinux.org] with your "zero consumer benefits". Security benefits everyone just like getting our Covid-19 shot benefits everyone.
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In this case, it's for DRM, which doesn't benefit us as consumers. Most of the time it just gets in the way. DRM doesn't even stop online cheating, which is probably the biggest problem in gaming.
Of course, the people that want this are the copyright holders. Outside of fucking over artist, I'm not sure what they do. Maybe 20 years ago but now a days you really don't need some huge company to make and promote music.
This isn't about security but rather vendor control over the consumers' hardware.
Another reas
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The idea behind the TPM was that it is supposed to protect your keys, even if your computer gets rooted.
It is the only method that I personally find secure enough to be used for online banking without any external key-storage (such as a smartcard + card reader and one-time passcodes).
That said, I have very low confidence in Microsoft actually keeping the rest of the system secure enough for the TPM to matter anyway. I'll do my banking from Linux or from a dedicated banking computer.
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I find it hard to be concerned about online security when major service providers and retails can't keep our data safe. I use a password manager and an updated web browser. Outside of that, my best bet is just to monitor for fraud activity because you are not going to stop your personal information from ending up on the dark net for sale. Probably already there if you shopped at Target or had/have a T mobile or sprint account.
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But by simply invalidating millions if not billions of devices out there, because they don't have TPM 2.0 (which has absolutely zero consumer benefits) and creating gazillion tons of new e-waste this way, doesn't exactly feel like a "green" strategy at all...
Nothing is "invalidated" until 2024, when Win 10 support ends, and the hardware that no longer runs Win 10 in 2024 will be approaching ten years old.
Win XP, Win Vista, Win 7, and Win 8/8.1 have all had support dropped, yet still run on millions snd millions of devices, why is it different with Win 10 with three more years of full support from MS?